posted October 15, 2012 04:13 PM            

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mars in the 8th

(Donna van Toen)

Lusty, blunt, and an independent thinker, you do things with a great deal of intensity.
You tend to live for today, and aren't especially good at saving, so it's possible that
there'll be a great deal of fighting over joint finances in your life. You have strong sex
drives, and will try to be the dominant sexual partner. In the career area, you may be
attracted to surgery, psychology, or psychiatry. Your death is apt to be connected
with some sort of accident. Although your psychic ability is good, if there are stress
aspects between Mars and Neptune you should avoid involvement with psychic
phenonema due to a tendecy to become fanatical about it.
With Mars here, you want sexual activity. Without it, you become very tense and start
to feel empty or lethargic. But casual sex isn't apt to be completely satisfying; you
want understanding as well.
Your motivation can be very material or very metaphysical. Your lucky breaks can be
either very big or very small, depending on how ambitious you are and what you
choose to do with your life. Conflicts very often actually turn out to be opportunities
in that they force you to reexamine your wants and bring them more in line with your
needs and abilities.
The 8th house is sometimes called the house of death, sometimes called the house of
transformation. It's another of the 'use it or lose it' houses. Planets here demonstrate
the occult principle that thoughts are things. If you have planets here, be careful
what you wish for. You might just get it, and if you do, it'll be might hard to get rid of
it if it's not to your liking after all. If Mars is here in the Equal House system, it could
be a sign that you've misused your psychic powers in a past life and are now having
to pay the piper. This can mean there'll be almost an obsession with obtaining some
sort of psychic information or becoming skilled in some metaphysical discipline, or it
could mean there'll be a strong fear or dislike of the occult and its practitioners.
Either way, there'll be a blockage of your psychic powers - you'll be able to go so far
and no further. As a routine precaution, you should stay away from the more intense
quasi-religious groups, avoid techniques that require you to go into trance, and take
avice from non-traditional healers with a grain of salt. If Mars is here in the Koch
system, you're at the 'use it' end of the spectrum, and therefore may well become
active in metaphysical groups or involved in one or more occult disciplines. (Alchemy,
magic, and esoteric astrology seem to hold particular appeal for those with this
placing.) In either case, there's a good chance that others will seek you out for
advice, and this is how you'll work out your debts.

(Babs Kirby and Janey Stubbs)

The people with Mars in the eighth crave intensity and depth in their sexual
relationships. Direct and uncompromising, thirs is a primitive instinctual urge. Theywant sex for its own sake, and seek a death and rebirth experience. They want
something so intense that they go right out of themselves and emerge transformed by
the intensity of the experience. They tend to see potential partners only in terms of
sexual desire, leaving their partner feeling used. They can be very ruthless in this
respect. There is an urgency to their desires, and when they feel like sex they will
just go out and look for it - sex will be a very strong motivator for them.
Because of the intensity of their desires, these people are extremely jealous and
possessive, and will not tolerate infidelity. They can be quite brutal about cutting
someone out of their life if they feel that this person is untrustworthy. On the other
hand, they may find it quite unreasonable if their partner has the temerity to question
their behaviour or try to restrict them. So their sexual relationships tend to be filled
with power struggles, with jealousy being a big issue. People with Mars in the eighth
will know instinctively if their partner is even slightly attracted to someone else, and
may attack him or her mercilessly, even if his or her behaviour has been exemplary.
This can lead to many crises in their relationships, but they thrive on this intensity,
feeling more alive and drawing energy from it.
People with Mars in the eighth tend to be either on or off. They desire someone
either intensely or not at all. They cannot be casual or light about sex, because it is so
important to them and they are looking for such a powerful expression of feeling.
Because of this, they tend to have obsessive attractions which make an enormous
impact on them whether or not they actually have a relationship. They have a
powerful sexual presence, although they may not be consciously aware of the impact
they have on people, and can be surprised by the strong passions they arouse.
They have a deep interest in whatever is hidden, so they dig around to find out what
people are hiding. They feel a need to know what people are feeling and what their
underlying motivations are, and can be quite unrelenting in their determination to
extract information. Natural detectives, they enjoy any form of investigation and
throw themselves into uncovering every last detail. They tend to have obsessive
interests and do everything with total effort, while the passion lasts. This applies to
sexual relationships too, so that as long as the attraction lasts they will be totally
committed but once it dies down they will leave.
With Mars in the eighth, there are a lot of unspoken undercurrents concerning sex.
People with this placement may have grown up in a home where there was a
powerful sexual energy which was not expressed openly. As a result of this, sex may
be a taboo subject, and there can be a lot of fear attached to sexual feelings. Hence
the eighth house Mars person may try to avoid close relationships altogether, fearing
the power of sexual desire. These people have to come to terms with their own
vulnerability before they can benefit from their deeply transforming sexual nature;
and they may have to experience the intense pain of being rejected by the person
they most desire before they can unearth the treasure that is buried deep within
them.

(Stephanie Camilleri)

Still waters run deep - and strong. These people have a charisma that attracts others
to them, but they are reserved and hard to know. There is a restlessness of the soul
that will lead them far from the native soil and the native values on at least one farflung excursion. Many venture so far from home that there is no return. They march
to a different drummer from that of their community of origin. Their drive is towards
different goals from those of family and early friends. Often misunderstood in youth,
they seek a distant ideal that rarely or never materializzes and, even if it does, often
does so only briefly.They are inclined to sacrifice too much in relationships at least once, which may
cause them to become fearful of the emotional demands of relationships. Escape from
a relationship can be the motivating force behind big changes in their lives, moving
far from home, taking a job in a foreign country.
They are highly sexual, which brings problems. They may repress their sexuality,
resulting in psychological problems of various kinds. With Mars in a fixed sign, there
may be homosexual desires; other placements will show if these will be expressed, or
denied and repressed. Frequently, in Air or mutable signs, homosexual experiences
are brief and occur in youth as part of sexual development. Their sexual development
is so important to them that it may rule their lives.
Even their death is often related to sex in some way, with links to the loss, failure, or
frustration of a sexual relationship. They will often have a close brush with death at
some point in their lives. Mars in the eighth is partical testimony to a sudden death.

(Bill Herbst)

Union: You sense the value that resides in your beloved. It fills you with desire, and
you are eager to push through the outer personality to reach the treasures stored in
the queen's chamber of the inner pyramid. But you often ignore your partner's
boundaries. In fact, the higher the boundaries, the more you may try storming them.
This is a deadly pitfall, for the treasures of union are gained only when both
individuals feel safe to surrender. If you insist on smashing people's walls, they will
simply fortify their defences against you. The result is constant warfare, argument
rather than intimacy. Recognize the impact of your male force, the power of your
thrust. Let the warmth of your desire arouse the other's receptivity. The challenge is
to be ardent rather than combative, and thus gain entry to the inner sanctum.
Transformation: You can be a consummate spiritual warrior, a crusading knight who
walks out alone to confront the dragon of ego-death. The pitfalls involve the
confoluted meanings of victory and defeat. If you slay the dragon, but your ego
survives, you've suffered a spiritual defeat. The question to be asked is this: what is
the dragon? You're a heat-seeking missile looking for an external target. But often,
the only heat is coming from you. As in Pogo's famous remark, 'We have met the
enemy, and they is us'. Transformation comes not from conquest, but from
interpenetration. The challenge is to keep it simple, to go after what you want, and to
know that desire itself will change in the process.
Sexual merging: You are charged with sexual passion. The wish for union glows
constantly in the lower chakras. When you are aroused, desire burns white-hot. You
often blot out every other consideration. This can express itself as 'going for the goal
line' of orgasm without sufficient concern for sharing, but it may also mean obsession
with closeness. In either case, the pitfall lies in assuming that the obstacles to union
reside somehow outside yourself, in your beloved. That leads to explosive
conflagrations around the issue of sex. Remember that it is self-defeating to turn your
lover into your enemy. The challenge is to learn correct penetration. Passion and heat
are your arrows; desire is your bow.
Focused intuition: Never one to wait, you thrust yourself out of your body, pushing
for intuitive contact with others. Anyone you desire becomes a target for the sharp
edge of your radr. The pitfall involves trespassing. People's inner thoughts, feelings,
and desires are often dangerous, often not an accurate reflection of their truest
selves, and thus necessarily private. Learn to intuitively enter only those chambers
that are open or unlocked. When you push towards someone's inner sanctum, youcould tumble instead into the cesspool of their darker selves, and what you find there
may not be pleasant. The challenge is to hone your psychic sensitivities to a razor's
edge. Use these tools as a surgeon migh, to cut away blockage, or as a lover would,
to fill the beloved with goodness.
Shared assets: You are sensitive to money, and probably want more than you have.
Rather than building your fortune through simple and direct effort, you're drawn
toward those who already have moeny, or obviously desire wealth. But be careful:
money, property, and possessions can easily become heated topics, both in your
family, and later in your social or romantic relationshsip. Play down the conflicts, or
you may destroy the love that exists. The challenge is to work with others to create
shared goals your partnerships can achieve, and to extend your mutual fires into a
single flame of togetherness.

(Howard Sasportas)

Those with Mars in the 8th come alive in joint enterprises where they can give and
receive all they can. Usually there is a shade more subtlety to Mars in this house than
in his other domains, although the clumsy Greek Ares may evince his characteristic
impetuosity by rushing into hastily conceived financial deals. Some people with Mars
in the 8th will gain a sense of honour and virtue by standing up for their deeply felt
beliefs, and will try to challenge and convert others who don't share the same values.
Others with Mars in the 8th find the prospect of appropriateing the values and
possessions of another person much more rewarding and enticing. A difficultly
aspected Mars could indicate fights with the marriage partner over joint resources,
battles over legacies and inheritances, trouble with a belligerent tax-inspector, and
conflicts with get-rich-quick business partners, so some degree of caution is advised
in these areas.
But it is in the most intimate arena of the bedroom that an 8th house Mars most
clearly exposes itself. These people's passions are strong, but sexual expression may
be more than just a means of relieving built-up physical tension: for many, sex is a
contest and Mars is determined to be the victor. Again, we can understand these
people better if we realize that in acting this way they are attempting to affirm and
define their identity and power. The principle of the Sun distinguishes us from others,
but we need Mars to prove our point; and whether, in the 8th house, the point is
given or taken, Mars here likes to be in charge. With a little bit of thought, it's not
hard to appreciate that there is more to a person's sexual taste than meets the eye;
and fortunately or unfortunately for some, Mars in the 8th people may take out their
aggression in the bedroom. Or due to guilt and ambivalence, Mars in the 8th people
may resorrt to its second-favourite battle-cry: 'They made me do it', blaming others
for forcing them into situations they somehow help to contrive.
By meeting them in others or through their own selves, those with Mars in the 8th
often discover and hav e to grapple with the darker emotions of blind lust, envy,
greed, jealousy, etc.. The need or ability to transmute these seething feelings into a
more constructive expression depends, to a large degree, on the aspects to Mars. If
Mars is difficultly aspected by the outer planets, it is usually most pressing that the
raw, primordial side of Mars be rechannelled in other ways.
Sometimes there is a burning interest in the esoteric or the occult. Caution should be
taken when exploring or experimenting in anything mediumistic in nature: there is
the danger of projecting their own anger and aggression onto something 'out there'
and then experiencing the disowned quantity as turning around and pursuing them.
Although Mars can hardly be defined as covert, in the 8th he does have a kind of
detective-like ability to probe subtly and persistently into what is hidden or secret. Ifthose with this placement sense something wrong or askew in a relevant person or
situation, they are not easily able to let it rest.
The Scorpio Dylan Thomas wrote, 'Do not go gentle into that good night'. In deaths
and transformations of a physical or psychological nature, Mars in the 8th will usually
follow that advice.

(Robert Pelletier)

posted October 16, 2012 07:16 AM            

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