posted September 18, 2013 07:56 PM            

Pluto, yep. It's in good aspect to Saturn and Neptune, but conjunction to my asc.
I also have Mars conjunct the asc from the 12th. With Mercury in the 12th conjunction to both Mars and Venus.
Leo Sun and Gemini Moon.

So typically, as you say I'll attract someone who wants to possess and control me. However, Leo won't stand for it. LOL They also complain that sometimes I'm "mean" simply for not showing much emotion at times. (Gemini moon?)
My Uranus and (soon Venus) conjunct my asc in my progressed chart.

The people that I attract first don't come off as aggressive but later they are. One person even violent. A lot of manipulation. That's when I REALLY get upset.

posted September 19, 2013 03:05 AM            

Summers... it's weird. It's not even the heat. It's like I'm suddenly hit with some mind control device. HAHAHAHA! Not being serious of course. I just switch literally in a matter of minutes one day. I stay kind of in the dumps all summer and then snap out of it. I have a lot of stories as I've done some pretty crazy things in the summer time. I've only become aware of this pattern as of last year so this year was better at least. I didn't feel so out of control. I still think it's some kind of transit that happens that time of year. I have Mars, Mercury, and Venus in the 12th Virgo and Leo Sun. I'm convinced something in there isn't jiving. lol
You (and many others) may think I'm nuts. I love Autumn season, which is typical, but I love winter too! The cold doesn't bother me at all. The only time is when it just seems to go straight into your bones. Brrrr!!
Plus this year I have a sporty AWD car so I'm looking forward to a little fun.
An old school friend and I used to put on layers of clothing and spend HOURS out in the snow.

Yeah, stupid Venus in the 12th. In Virgo too which, I do criticize big time but I think since it's in the 12th I don't vocalize it. It's there though. lol I have the opposite issue that you do. I sometimes show a lack of emotion and then I'm labeled "mean". *shrug* A lot of times I'm just crazy silly but few really ever get to see it. Even most of my family does not. Mostly my best friend or if I'm in a relationship.

What makes you so emotional? Is it just love related emotions from Venus? Or general emotional sensitivity? That sort of thing doesn't seem to bother me. I love Cancers and I think we click because I seem to stabilize them and I love feeling useful. Not saying that you're Cancer but they're emotional. hehehe The only problem is if I'm not careful I just stomp all over them. I'm capable of sometimes not realizing the impact of my words. Sounds strange I'm sure saying that I stabilize emotional people when I'm emotional myself. But, I totally fell in love with this one woman (she's married LOL and double Cancer!! So very emotional). We were extremely close friends and both emotional. We helped each other even though we couldn't help ourselves. Funny how that works. I can be a total wreck but if I need to be strong for someone else it's no problem.
I do tend to put EVERYTHING into a relationship though. I will pour myself into it and never give up until I've exhausted myself. Hence, they often don't end well because I don't give up easily. (Leo Sun maybe?)
Another Venus thing that I have is square Neptune. Sheesh that gets me into trouble too. It certainly doesn't help with the unattainable bit. lol
My Mercury in Virgo is just awesome! Except one thing. It's in the 12th and I DEFINITELY have communication problems with nearly everyone.

Now, the Virgo part is just going haywire protecting against all that 12th house and Neptune square. What I mean is, in my mind, I criticize like crazy! There might be a perfectly good woman who could be interested and I'm like, "Nope. I don't like this or that." Or a lot of times I feel like I'll need to get to know them better over a long period of time before I consider it, but then I'm scared to get to know them because I'm scared to get sucked in.
Scared to fall in love I guess is the simplest way to say it. Yet I want it.

posted September 19, 2013 04:34 PM            

^ Ahh Pluto conjunct the Ascendant, you come across as powerful in some way. Like have you ever felt that you get mixed opinions - in either extreme?

From experience, Gemini moons may find it harder to really get in touch with their emotions yet - as much as I wish I had any air, I don't know how I'd feel about having my moon there. Lol sorry. I think they try to keep some sort of distance from their feelings at all costs. Would you say that's true for you? Haha the lion does not want to be overpowered. But they're so tempting... at least I think so (many Pluto aspects, plus DSC duad in Scorpio).

Progressed charts show a lot too! Venus conjunct Uranus. Okay, don't ask me anything about Uranus aspects - not if you want an unbiased opinion. Given, it makes for great, sudden infatuations and just having a lot of excitement.

Yeah, it's been like that for me too. That is part of the 12th house Venus, probably. I mean, it keeps things hidden, mysterious, and with Venus, it's going to show up in the love life. I've fallen for some very bad types and they all seemed so amazing and sweet at first. I guess it's part of the power game, which hurts so bad finding out they've been playing you all along.

posted September 19, 2013 05:15 PM            

I don't think you're nuts. You don't call it nuts, you call that eccentric. Maybe? Some people just don't feel good in the sun and get nauseous, headaches. It's not for everyone. That'd make you pretty cranky too. Ehh I'm wincing just by thinking of cold to the bones. But lying in the snow's great, though. Especially if there's still a bit of sun. Very relaxing.

I have a feeling that Virgo and the 12th house mean the classic Virgo high expectations and criticism turn inward. It's the house of self-harm, the ways in which you are your worst enemy - and those hidden enemies can be you wanting to be perfect. I've read once somewhere, don't remember where, that the first house is like a way you try to cover up the traits of your 12th house sign; your secrets so to say. I don't think anyone realizes just how hard I am on myself - as a result of lots of arguments growing up, bad friends, bad boyfriends. I beat myself up endlessly over something I may have said the wrong way or should've said, shouldn't have said, etc. It's a killer!

Just lots of Cancer influence! Jupiter & Chiron conjunct the MC in that sign, Moon in the 4th conjunct Neptune (picking up lots of vibes, very sensitive), air void. Through duads even more (if you've ever checked those out). Astrology aside, I just am... as I grew up, I've been through a lot where it came down to that any time I showed my emotions, and they can be extreme, I'd get awful reactions, called names, etc. I keep it under control for the most part, but I'm looking for people whom I could let my guard down to.

Funny how that works, doesn't it? Like you know someone needs to be calm, so you snap yourself out of it. The sacrifices you make for other people. As long as I'm not having a complete breakdown, I can even hold back on crying if someone else is, too. And yeeess, I love Cancers. They're just naturally sweet, warm people I want to cuddle up on the couch with. Glad you remained just friends with her, though. They're very lovable. I'm afraid I don't really understand the popular criticism here on Cancers being too clingy. When everyone rants about how they'd want to talk to them every day, I'm sitting here thinking, "I wish someone would want to talk to me every day!"

Not giving up easily can show up in so many things... Leos don't want to admit something isn't going to be okay, Virgos want to keep fixing the problem, Libra/Pisces/Cancer wants to avoid the conflict period. It gets tricky having many of those! ^ It's just tough, especially after having poured yourself into it. It just feels like such a waste of energy to just walk away. Neptune can only add to that. Finding out someone's true colours is so horrible, I hate that moment! Communication problems. I'm really sorry it's been so hard on you. Like I said in the post above, it's important to find a click. If they'd have 12th house energy, too, that'd be good. Do you feel muddled with Merc here?

Staying away can be a good way to protect yourself if you know you'll get sucked in. Knowing what it does to you is the first step. We should use the Virgo criticism to keep our boundaries! That fear's horrible, though, I know the feeling. Not wanting to get hurt again. It's normal, and yet seeing how everyone else around you has successful relationships...

posted September 21, 2013 02:22 AM            

I had a Natal Chart reading recently and it was very interesting. I won't just go on forever about it but it was unusual in that she went into fixed stars and all that. As it turns out, my Leo Sun is 3rd decan (Aries/Mars) and with fixed star Regulus which is a fighty/aggressive star. My moon is with a very fighty star. Mars and Mercury are conjunct and square my moon which I guess makes me fighty. LOL Mars and Mercury are with an aggressive/fighty star. My asc is the peacemaker. Mars is also conjunct the asc. She said that any planet at 9 degrees gains more power (not sure why) and my Pluto is 9 degrees.
She said that most likely in person my "mask" is seen but online it's not, which is why I sometimes draw in aggression from others. It was interesting! She went into possible past lives, transits, all kinds of things.

She pointed out something that makes TONS of sense in my life. With Venus in the middle of Virgo (15 degrees), I can be self-sacrificing to my partner. If taken advantage of though, perhaps feeling betrayed, then Leo with Regulus just fires up and lashes out.

Gemini moon - Yeah that's true. I HAVE feelings and I'm "aware" of them but I bury them and hide them. Unless it's something that gets my Leo Sun all stirred up then EVERYBODY sees it. LOL I think the most prominent thing that might be due to this placement is a lot of times if I seek revenge. It's psychological. I can become cold, distant, yet rude and mean and every single emotion gets a veil that can't be penetrated. It's all weird and difficult to explain because emotions are difficult enough! LOL

Venus in the 12th. Yeaaaaaaah. I'm ashamed to admit, but there's a woman at work that just melts me like butter. LOL I'm just puddy in her hand. However, in great 12th house fashion, she's married. She's on my Facebook but I don't talk or interact with her. She was promoted to another area so I can keep distant, which is what I want. Unlike previously in my life, I'm staying clear instead of getting sucked in and trying to weasel my way in. We do have some interesting things though. My moon conjunct her Venus. My Sun Conjunct her South Node. Her Venus sextile my Sun. Just tons of Venus and Sun aspects and a few Mars. A few hard aspects. There's a lot there!
The first day that I ever met her she was extraordinarily friendly to me and caring. The connection was instantaneous. However, I'm a "good boy". I just stay away and just friendly when I see her. LOL
I get crushes like you turn on and off lights. HAHAHAHA!

My Mercury in 12th. It's not really muddled I don't think. It's VERY active, crisp and clear. It's fast, precise. Getting all that's in there, out, so that others can understand it is the difficult part.

I have found that I have much more natural (not forced) connection to people with 12th house stuff.

Oh Duads, yeah I've looked at those. My Gemini moon is in Gemini Duad.
Leo Sun is in Virgo Duad.
Mercury Virgo/Leo. Mars Virgo/Virgo! Venus is Virgo/Taurus (earthy!)

You know overall though. I'm not sure how influential fixed stars, asteroids, decans, duads, and all that are. Even the progressed chart I'm not sure how strongly it's felt really. My progressed is pretty interesting I think.
Venus, Uranus, North Node, Ascendant ALL conjunct each other. Uranus conjunct Moon. All are Scorpio 1st house except Venus which is Scorpio still in the 12th. Sun conjunct Mercury and Pluto.
Sun/Mercury trine Jupiter.
Venus (scorpio) conjunt Mars (Libra)
Interesting!
I just sit here talking about myself all the time. LOL
Leo much?

Hope it's not annoying.

posted September 23, 2013 04:06 PM            

Hmm you could combine them. Mars + peace-loving Libra would be someone who steps in and puts in the effort to get everyone to get along with each other? Wow, that's new to me about the 9th degree. Is it a critical degree maybe? Don't know.

Ahh, that's sad. I'm really sorry that's such a problem for you. I mean, sacrificing a lot and ending up doing that very often. Sometimes it just happens. But your sun can step in when it gets too detrimental for you, right?

They're annoying, aren't they? Pop up at the absolute worst moment ^^ Ahh sorry, I'll be serious now. Wow, I didn't really know it was that bad. No, no need to try and explain this if it's too hard!! It's okay. Cold, hmm. Such a surprise, I wouldn't have expected that from such a witty, playful moon sign. But of course every sign has their sides.

*sigh* Oh wow, that's too bad. Must be torture especially now knowing astrology shows the same kind of bond. Really good of you not to go there. I can relate. Just waiting for the feeling to go away - how and for how long - you'll never know. Sun-SN and Sun-Venus are strong, though. Must've taken you aback a bit seeing that in the chart.

And...
15 Virgo? That's one super tight conjunction with my Mercury It's at 14.45 Virgo. Venus 25.34 (Juno tightly conjunct).
Totally shows how easily we're talking here

It does? Good for you then. How interesting, though, that the same placement + sign still feels differently to us. I did have trouble getting my message out - how to put it, how to be gentle but not too vague.

So do I. It's hard to say why, maybe because they're used to not getting themselves across the way they wanted to. There's a bit of a blockage. They get quite some life experience this way.

Haha, even more Virgo. How's that working for you? Meanwhile I'm here pretty protective of my one thing in air by duad (Mercury in Aqua). The first person I really talked to here, Faith, is one and I knew exactly what she meant just by her posts and the vibe it gave me.

posted September 24, 2013 02:27 AM            

Yeah, I wouldn't have found this out probably for some time but for example - I have fixed star Hamal on my south node in the 8th. Which the 8th is associated with death, etc. All that good stuff. "On Hamal “It causes violence brutishness, cruelty and premeditated crime.” LOL
Plus Regulus on my Sun.
Alkaid on my Mars. "If the influence of this star is exercised, an influence of a Mars-Uranus-Saturn nature is present."
"this fixed star is supposed to be bound up with the realm of the dead and is therefore associated with death and mourning"
Not such a nice star to have on my Mars. LOL In the 12th too!

The woman at work. I really don't see very often at all so it's all good! From April until August though I would see her everyday. She invited me out for drinks with her and her husband once. I went and it was pretty fun. But yeeeeeeeeeah.... *sigh*. It's a good thing I don't see her much at all. Every time she's around I'm like one of those cartoon characters with two beating hearts for eyes. LOL

No air in your chart? Are you disappointed with it?
According to the Walter Pullen chart on Astro.com I'm pretty evenly spread.

21.5% fire
27.9% earth
25.5% air
25.1% water
I like it. That's the way I'd have it. lol
Now having pointed that out. You know it took me a while to realize this, but I have all that Virgo. Yet, Mars/Mecury conjunct square moon. Neptune square Venus. Mars conjunct Asc (Libra). Pluto conjunct asc, and Scorpio is strong in my progressed. Libra also.
So what I find is this. On this site a lot of people talk about air signs, or water signs, or Scorpio, Gemini, Cancer... whatever. I feel like, "Oh yeah. I can relate to that." It had me confused like, "Okay so what AM I really?"
The answer? I'm all of those things! It just depends completely on what's being triggered. Example, I'm not very Leo like expect MOSTLY under three conditions: I'm angered, at work (leadership just naturally comes out - I can't help it!), or with close friends.
Virgo MOSTLY shows up in my day to day things, decision making, and since Venus is in there I look at a possible romantic interest with a scrutinizing eye.
Gemini Moon... I'm not even sure I understand it. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I know! I always talk about myself but I don't know what else to say! LOL I try to make it clear that I am interested in other people and what's going on with them. I'm just not very good at knowing what to ask, or say exactly. Certainly not to be confused with not caring.

posted September 28, 2013 02:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Zander916:
I realized something tonight. It probably was obvious to others but not to me. lol

Venus in the 12th and falling for unattainable people.
For me, it really only started a few years ago. Before that, never.

Nearly every relationship that I've had involved them being jealous and/or possessive and/or clingy.
The clingy part was the most consistent throughout.

So it's simple really. Not consciously, but in the back of my mind I knew a taken (married) person could NOT do that. They could not be clingy as they had their own commitments to attend to, thus allowing me space.
Now that I'm aware of it I can direct myself away from that pattern and just be patient and careful. Which I am now actually. That's putting is very short. I can spend LOOOOOOONG periods of time alone. I don't really prefer to sometimes but I can do it and maintain sanity. LOL
I actually made a video on this because I thought it might be cool - let people kind of meet me in a sense. But then I thought.... Ehhhhh... there's probably a LOT of people that I would prefer didn't.

Anyway.......

Any other 12th house Venus people feel this way?

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SO much! (Sun, Venus, Mercury and Mars in Virgo in 12th//Libra rising, chart ruler in 12th)

I prefer unattainable people so much...mostly because they don't prove to be too clingy. Clingy creeps me out and makes me run away...truly, very much interest at all leads to me tucking and running.

Mercury - words tend to get jumbled in my head. I also tend to lose time if I get focused on a thought, like you, while driving.

Intuition! SO intuitive. I sometimes feel like I could have a conversation with someone without actually speaking to them, because after observing for a little while, I can feel out their reaction to what I'm about to say.

posted September 28, 2013 04:26 AM            

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Originally posted by muddyt0es:
SO much! (Sun, Venus, Mercury and Mars in Virgo in 12th//Libra rising, chart ruler in 12th)

I prefer unattainable people so much...mostly because they don't prove to be too clingy. Clingy creeps me out and makes me run away...truly, very much interest at all leads to me tucking and running.

Mercury - words tend to get jumbled in my head. I also tend to lose time if I get focused on a thought, like you, while driving.

Intuition! SO intuitive. I sometimes feel like I could have a conversation with someone without actually speaking to them, because after observing for a little while, I can feel out their reaction to what I'm about to say.

Sometimes I'm worried whether it's intuition or paranoia... I doubt it a lot, which bites me in the butt. My grandmother was a Virgo who developed paranoid schizophrenia, so I worry my intuitive feelings are just the beginning of psychosis sometimes.

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Assuming clingy stuff is a big part of Venus/12th going for unattainable people, I bet two people with Venus/12th would probably do very well together. It would probably be very natural and certainly a lot of understanding in love.
Not that others couldn't of course.

posted September 28, 2013 07:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Zander916:
Oh, here I am talking about my Mars being near your Venus when my Mercury is actually closer. My Mercury is 24 17'.
That's just weird. Our Mercuries are conjunct each other's Venus. LOL Wow...
Plus my Mars is in there. That's.... interesting.

Yeah, I wouldn't have found this out probably for some time but for example - I have fixed star Hamal on my south node in the 8th. Which the 8th is associated with death, etc. All that good stuff. "On Hamal “It causes violence brutishness, cruelty and premeditated crime.” LOL
Plus Regulus on my Sun.
Alkaid on my Mars. "If the influence of this star is exercised, an influence of a Mars-Uranus-Saturn nature is present."
"this fixed star is supposed to be bound up with the realm of the dead and is therefore associated with death and mourning"
Not such a nice star to have on my Mars. LOL In the 12th too!

The woman at work. I really don't see very often at all so it's all good! From April until August though I would see her everyday. She invited me out for drinks with her and her husband once. I went and it was pretty fun. But yeeeeeeeeeah.... *sigh*. It's a good thing I don't see her much at all. Every time she's around I'm like one of those cartoon characters with two beating hearts for eyes. LOL

No air in your chart? Are you disappointed with it?
According to the Walter Pullen chart on Astro.com I'm pretty evenly spread.

21.5% fire
27.9% earth
25.5% air
25.1% water
I like it. That's the way I'd have it. lol
Now having pointed that out. You know it took me a while to realize this, but I have all that Virgo. Yet, Mars/Mecury conjunct square moon. Neptune square Venus. Mars conjunct Asc (Libra). Pluto conjunct asc, and Scorpio is strong in my progressed. Libra also.
So what I find is this. On this site a lot of people talk about air signs, or water signs, or Scorpio, Gemini, Cancer... whatever. I feel like, "Oh yeah. I can relate to that." It had me confused like, "Okay so what AM I really?"
The answer? I'm all of those things! It just depends completely on what's being triggered. Example, I'm not very Leo like expect MOSTLY under three conditions: I'm angered, at work (leadership just naturally comes out - I can't help it!), or with close friends.
Virgo MOSTLY shows up in my day to day things, decision making, and since Venus is in there I look at a possible romantic interest with a scrutinizing eye.
Gemini Moon... I'm not even sure I understand it. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I know! I always talk about myself but I don't know what else to say! LOL I try to make it clear that I am interested in other people and what's going on with them. I'm just not very good at knowing what to ask, or say exactly. Certainly not to be confused with not caring.

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Ahaha we have a DW both in each other's 12th!!! With the classic Mars-Venus... dang why do I get this amazing synastry with people online but not in real life?!
12th house... someone you can't see, yeah. :|

Mhm, 8th house isn't the first place you'd want a star like that in. But the SN could be things you are familiar with, skills you've already learnt. So you're aware of violence + death around you and the way it can affect people maybe? You could've been a detective in your past life? (If you believe in that kind of thing...)
Dead and mourning, hmm. Yeah, scary to find that in your chart. But

But all of those violent aspects don't have to be that bad. There's jobs that deal with violence (like the detective, cop, etc.) or life and death (doctors, surgeons), psychology for that 8th house...
I have a couple of violent stuff in my chart, like Sun square Pluto, Nessus conjunct Venus, tight Chiron-Pluto trine with Chiron on my MC, then that Aries DSC. I watch horror films, crime TV shows and would talk about it on message boards about it. It's a channel for that kind of negative energy. It's not for everyone, but it's not a lost cause and it doesn't have to mean being violent. Don't worry about it, okay? <3

Aww yeah, I know how it feels. Wanting to get closer, but not too close 'cause it hits how you can never be together. Ugh, I hate it. For the past two years, every person I had feelings for had some reason it couldn't happen. She sounds very nice, though. Shame the good people are always already in a relationship, right? *sigh*

Yes, I so am! Would have loved to be able to really detach myself from stuff... but I've found that I tuck a lot of things away to protect myself. So any more reason for that and I'm sure I'd just never deal with the problems. Without air, it's so important to trust your intuition and not blame yourself for having strong emotional reactions. People who are worth it won't pass you off like "that's her being overdramatic again". But if I could change one planet to one in air, I'd put my Venus in Gemini. No Libra (too many afflictions with my Cap/Cancer planets) and I'd be able to be more light-hearted about everything. It's possible with a Leo sun!

Wow that is very even! Fff I'm a little jealous. Hey, wait, that's a good point. I think Virgo does tend to kind of put everything into little boxes, different areas in their lives, you know? And in the chart, you take planets-to a certain house where it all happens. The Leo does get controlled by it hehe. Critical Virgo, she decides when it's okay.
Yeah, the watery influence can come from aspects and houses. Venus-Neptune especially as you have it in the 12th too. Have you ever checked descriptions for Venus in Pisces?

Maybe you're just very adaptable. Gemini kind'of adapts to whatever fits, right? The ones I know need to talk to people... like even randomly about something completely unrelated, lmao. And they talk to everyone they see! Every day! I'll call them because I have a question and it turns into a 2-hour-convo! Whoops, didn't see that sun coming up.

posted September 29, 2013 03:10 AM            

meissieri -

Nah, I wouldn't put too much weight on the synastry of Mars/Venus and all that. You never know. Your moon may want to kill mine for example. There could be some nasty conflicts in there somewhere. LOL Like I had Sun Trine Mars with someone once. It was just out of this world but Mercury.. not so much. It was like 100x more effort just to understand simple things with each other.

8th house SN and Hamal. Yeah, death doesn't really bother me. I kind of feel like be it natural or accident, it's like the universe had it planned out. It's the cycle of life.
Violence, it's weird. I would be violent if I had to be but generally speaking, I don't like violence from anyone. Like street fights or things like that. It just seems senseless to me. Like when men have to prove their manliness, or toughness. As a matter of settling something pretty trivial... it's just stupid to me. It's very strange though. Like I have this strange urge of violence in me, yet, even when I've been faced with having to physically defend myself. I'll do as little as I can get away with. Just enough to stop the situation. Not that it occurs regularly. LOL
I have weird things though. Like a fascination with serial killers, murder investigations, etc.
I'd love to be a homicide investigator.

Wow, Sun square Pluto. Do you feel that strongly? How does it affect you?
I have Sun square Jupiter (Jupiter in the 8th). I still don't fully understand how that relationship between them works.
I have Medusa conjunct Venus (yikes!) and Nessus conjunct MC by only 1'!! I'm not sure how that works either. lol

My moon is air as you know I'm sure. (Gemini) I remember being in relationships (particularly with a Cancer Sun) and being called "mean" simply because I was unemotional about something. I wasn't even aware that I was having a lack of emotion. lol So when they said I was being mean I was COMPLETELY baffled.

Funny that you say Virgo puts things into little boxes. My Mercury in Virgo (and being paired with Mars) apparently makes it extremely strong. My strongest planet according to websites and astrologers. I made a thread a few days ago about being ticked off and contemplating what I should do. LOL It's funny because it's my Mercury running the show. It's like my Leo was all p****d off but had to get the okay from Mercury first. Like a trained attack dog. LOL Mercury is like, "Okay. Go get 'em boy!"
You know after you posted that about my Venus and Pisces influence I looked it up. I'm pretty much a Venus Pisces really! It was just crazy accurate! I was shocked. There is a bit of Virgo still of course. I think possibly due to the 12th house, I keep my criticisms to myself. I am just INCREDIBLY critical about who I want something romantic with. It's just unreal. LOL If I decide that I like that person, then I am so dreamy that I'll miss red flags. Things that I SHOULD be wary of. lol

posted September 29, 2013 04:51 AM            

This Astrologer, who looked at asteroids, fixed stars, etc. Thought that perhaps that was sort of sum up of a past life, but perhaps not the actual past life. She was thinking the Crusades (holy wars), a warrior for a queen. (Cassiopeia)
She pointed out Sun (in Aries Decan, Conjunct Regulus) square Jupiter (religion connection)
Mars square moon (conjunct Betelgeuse)in the 9th (Jupiter's house) and Mars in the 12th.
Also south node in the 8th, where Jupiter is.
As well as Lilith, Chiron, and South Node conjunct in the 8th (with Hamal)

I don't necessarily understand ALL of that but the general theme seems to be fighting.

She tied it all together nicely and it made sense. I think there's more, such as NN being with a star that is on a cross. Just a bunch of things like that.

posted September 29, 2013 04:33 PM            

I don't think I have any other 12th House hinderances, other than what I just described. I feel lucky in many ways. Saturn can be overbearing but I also see him like a protective brother, constantly forewarning me. Could it be a 12th House position close to my Asc? Don't know. Maybe not, he's at 2 degrees +. Either way, something for me to think about.

posted September 30, 2013 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Zander916:
tearist - Scorpio Moon in 12th. That's interesting. How does that play out?
Do you find that you have hidden emotions or emotions that come out at odd times for no reason?

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i don`t know whether it's the scorpio moon in 12th or other aspects, but my emotions usually get the best of me, can't really hide them... they do come out at odd times but I am starting to be aware of the reasons. even so, even though they are negative or I know they are just passing emotions and not permanent, I can`t really stop them. it's as if a pre-written scenario is unfolding before my eyes and I am acting it out, over and over. pff! I also have Scorpio Asc... and Uranus in Sag 1st house

posted October 01, 2013 05:27 PM            

As this is a 12th house topic anyway... I have ADHD and so I'm soooo scatterbrained. I forget everything. Ugh. No detail-oriented Virgo here, she just picks out the glaring mistakes. And some health problems like migraines, more Neptune! Ahh! (Or maybe Uranus.)

But to get back to your message:
I agree with geea, the Neptune pretty much picks up on everything and blends it. It's near impossible to say "I am [insert trait here]".

And that's such a 12th house thing to say! It is about the whole group, not an individual. Even the people - you got it - backstage setting things up and making sure the band sounds and looks good. I think 12th house people are best off being someone's support.

Haha, true. But I grew up with a Gem moon dad and I've known quite a few so far. It's not too bad. Actually, out of all three air moons, I think the Gems are easiest to get along with 'cause of all the Mercury. Hmm, do you mean Sun trine Merc? That should've looked good on paper... Is any of them afflicted?

Hmm. So like you've made your peace. Accidental would be quick at least!
It's good to avoid the fights that could get you seriously hurt, though. hat's just being smart & looking out for yourself. I mean, I get men wanting to prove themselves or protect their girl, but I'd rather have him [if I was with someone] be a "coward" and still alive than dead! Lol didn't think you'd seek those things out.
And yeees, see, it can show in other ways. The annoying thing is that with the chart alone, you'll never know if someone acts out their violent side or not.
^ That really is an 8th house job. What would you like most about it?

Yes, very much. It's weird, it's a very loose square - only astro counts it - but with what I've attracted in my life, I would count it. It describes the relationship I used to have with my dad, who has the same aspect. Just be glad you don't have it. Lots of power play - either from you or the other. I'm naturally a pushover, so I meet it on the outside a lot.
Sun square Jupiter? All I've heard of it is being too loud/overdoing everything. Maybe try pairing up the houses to get a feel for it?
O__O That are some nasty conjunctions. Have you asked around on the asteroid board about it? Nessus-MC I imagine would be public...

It's not the best match with someone very sensitive, no, but I'm sure you weren't trying to be mean.

Haha, that sounded almost cute. Mercury can do the, uh, technical work. But you have this, too? And yes I think StarlightSmileSupreme and Ceridwen once said it in some threads (that I don't remember, sorry), they suspected that harsh aspects from outer planets can give it a very strong flavour of that sign. Then coupled with that 12th house, it makes for one idealistic Venus. *sigh* I'm not being judgy here (or trying not to be), I know the feeling. I put up with too much from people and it ended me into a number of toxic relationships (not just romantically) that is embarrassing. It's just... they're invisible, those reds flags. You just know how to justify it, give it a reasonable explanation (and these are excuses that could be true).

Wow. Just... all of that fighting. I totally believe it was something about soldiers or war. But so many asteroids on your SN! Is it hard to really move forward, so to speak?

Oh and I just realised my Nessus is likely on your Merc too. Ugh. I'm not trying to be horrible?

posted October 02, 2013 01:20 AM            

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Originally posted by geea:
yeah i feel this way too
12th houser thing, like pisces, or even more than pisces, have traits of all signs
we are all of them and at the same time nothing
which means, congrats, 1st step to raise above the chart

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posted October 02, 2013 01:57 AM            

Ohhhhh no. No need to apologize for anything. I do get very upset about things like that but NOT in this situation at ALL. I don't want to write a book only about that. But just don't worry. All is good.

Oh, no I had a Sun Trine Mars with this one short term gf. It was such a physical relationship. I mean, we did enjoy talking but really just in fun, teasing ways. Once the conversation became serious at all it just went down the pooper. LOL
Actually our Mercuries were fine so I don't know where the miscommunication came from. My moon opposite her Mars too. This was a few years ago. It's just interesting from an Astrological standpoint. Then if I see that aspect with someone else, I have an idea of what to expect.

You ask what I would like most about it. You mean, if I acted out violence?
Probably the dominance - feeling of power.
You know just now, this very moment I think I know what all this is. I mean, maybe 8th house. (My jupiter is square sun from the 8th). Since you ask that though and I gave it thought. It came to me. It's the Leo that has that violent streak. No doubt. My Leo side can be very.... primal I guess. However, I've been told that first decan Libra (my asc) are just absolute peacemakers. I think that's what keeps me in check. So it's like, that desire lives in there but I honestly can't see it every coming out. I'm not a young pup and still, I've never really acted it out. So I don't fear that I ever would.

I have Pluto conjunct asc which is probably different than square Sun by a lot. I don't know! I'm CONSTANTLY trying to transform myself. It's a daily quest!
Venus, yeah. I was told that it's not a good idea to give too much of myself with my 3rd decan Leo with Regulus. I see it now because once I feel that I've been betrayed or taken advantage of... it gets ugly!

With my SN and difficult moving forward. Hmmmmmm... yeah I suppose so. I feel like I haven't REALLY made any progress (in all areas of life) until the age of 30. It was like night to day. Things started changing for the better in ALL areas of life.

I'm not all that familiar with Nessus or some of these asteroids. Not from an interpretation standpoint. Especially Nessus on MC. Vesta is on my MC also and moon too! They're not all conjunct each other. I think Vesta and Nessus - Moon and Vesta, but all the MC. I wish I knew more. I have posted in Asteroid forum but that forum doesn't have a high amount of traffic.

The way I look at negative aspects is, if you know "the enemy" then you can deal with it. I mean if it's in your natal or synastry then it can be tackled head on. Synastry I'm pretty weary of because BOTH people have to be aware of it and deal with it. My crappy natal aspects I can just rely on myself.
Either way, life would be boring if a red hot pepper weren't thrown in here or there. LOL

Now, speaking of 12th house. My Mars is there, conjunct asc. I don't know how that works because Mars in 12th I've heard is hidden anger / sexuality, etc. Yet, mine is conjunct asc which makes it more public???
Maybe it's seen to the public but not so much seen by me. I think someone here said that once.

posted October 02, 2013 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by geea:
mercury in 12th, you think youre being weird? nope, the rest just hides it better
venus in 12th: its hilarious how some pick us to cheat with, like ”here, pick me im a keeper of dirty sexual secrets, who will fulfill your deepest, dirtiest fantasies!”
I attract a lot of married men! i just give them a death stare like ”stay the f away, your wife is here and your kid too” Not because im some altruistic virgin mary, but bc is a lot worse when they cheat with you, than to be cheated! Ima leo moon, helps sometimes, we are too proud to come second ^^

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I've heard some women say that all these married men chase them. I wonder if they had 12th house Venus.

Unfortunately I took part once time when a married woman pursued me. What a mess.
I also really fell for this other married woman. Nothing much ever happened. We just talked a LOT. I think she paid me more attention than her husband. They both work where I do. I worked directly with her at the time. She hates me now. LOL
In both cases I can see not only my Venus 12th, but Venus square Neptune just went NUTS! At least I'm aware of it now.
What's confusing to even me is this same woman that I wanted so much. Recently I've heard her and her husband are separated and planning divorce. She did cheat on him in the past and he forgave her. She's always been very very flirty with the guys. Like, touchy feely flirty.
I heard that they both cheated on each other this time. I'm not sure about her but I'm pretty sure he did.
So what baffles me is I once wanted her, but now that I hear of all of this it saddens me. I hate to see this sort of thing happen. Weird isn't it?
I think this is the "real me" but that Venus/Neptune square sure can be dreamy!

haha, I know what you mean about Leo moon. I'm Leo Sun, but I was married to a Leo Moon. She DEFINITELY didn't want to be second! She was Cancer Sun too. Interesting combo. lol
I only really gave it a thought once ever. It was a friend of hers. Maybe her Cancer Sun picked up the vibes from us or something but she got really aggressively upset about it. I immediately cut it off with her friend. As in... if we were all hanging out in a group I never did directly address her friend again. I just stayed away.
Nothing ever happened. We talked once on the phone is all and the convo was about nothing really. lol