posted October 09, 2013 05:23 AM            

I've watched a small part of Sliding Doors, btw, good film so far.

And yes, like you and Muddy I also feel uncomfortable that taken men seem so interested often. It feels like such a grey area, like are they just looking for something on the side? Just being very friendly? Ugh. If only single men could be like that! Does it happen that often? It is uncomfortable, yeah.

@Muddy: Hi girl <333 have you been feeling better lately??

Lol If you looked up the 12th house you'd find my life.

Moodiness *sigh* that sucks. Ahh yess it must be hard on your usually so laidback Mars. And it's still applying for you, isn't it? I guess keeping busy is key. *hugs* Going to give you a huge 'cause you're feeling so much like cr-p.

Yeah, do take some breaks now and then. Us 12th housers are sensitive to the core, we pick up on everything. It's totally normal to feel so overwhelmed. Why wouldn't we with everything people demand from us? I envy non-12th housers/non-Neptunians (?sp), really.

posted October 09, 2013 05:43 AM            

You know, it's true. Every message board/community/fandom online has their cliques and as we're all here to escape from real life to some extend, there's going to be problems. Emotions run high, there's many things that annoy us; the internet anonymity makes it easy to post something without worrying of the consequences (even though it does have some - get into too many fights and you will get a reputation, etc.).

In that case, it's a good thing we're on such a busy message board. There's a chance to sit on the background and disappear when we like, and mostly: there are so many people here that it's impossible not to find at least one person you hit it off with. As much as I did feel on the outside when I was new here, I wasn't that worried because of that. And I guess I was really lucky to run into two people here right away - Muddy and Faith, I've mentioned them before - that I have such a good click with, which our synastry backs up.

Does it help to be naturally social, very light-hearted and airy? Yes, it does, I'm not going to lie about that. But that doesn't mean that someone looking for a deeper kind of contact - even if they're still social, fun and airy - can't find their place here. It's just going to be a different kind of place. Like, say, there's members (Lotis White and Ceridwen) who write a lot of fantastic essays on synastry and attraction. Then Ami Anne posts a lot of clear, easy peasy astrology articles too. They're very serious, but their contributions are so, so appreciated.

So, that's how it goes. You've just got to find your voice - which helps by knowing what you're looking for with this board. The very active members here do have been around for years, in their defence (for as far as I know, reading old threads and seeing their names there). For people like us, it takes longer than average to really get into the flow here, especially when you have a very active personal life (like you with your job). It's just going to take time and finding the right people.

Which this thread has showed that they are here for you.

And again, the synastry will back it up, either with classic aspects or charts matching. Probably both.

It does always help to avoid going offtopic and not to get into fights, as much as some comments hit a nerve. There's been plenty of times I typed something, but decided not to, 'cause I didn't want to get into a long, drawn-out fight with some members. And to tell you a secret, there are some posts that have made me so mad I was close to shivering with anger or throwing up. But there's enough people here who will call someone out on it when they go out of line. So... don't worry.

It's okay to feel this way, because it is hard to get into it as a new member. Sometimes you'll be lucky to have someone who wants to take you under their wing for a while, but doing it on your own is tough. Please don't feel guilty about it or anything, it's fine to post that here - or e-mail me if you'd rather keep it private.

Keep it up!

posted October 09, 2013 05:59 AM            

If it's about popularity here, I think the MC really shows on boards.

So taking into account the sign, where the ruler is and easy aspects (if any) would show you the way with how you can be known here.

Using myself as an example: I have Jupiter and Chiron on my MC and I always get known for my ridiculously long posts and angsting... which turns out, gives a lot of people the courage to speak up about their own problems. So I'm taking that into account and try to use it.

If you want to, we could run this through together - gives you some more in-depth astro talk too. Just offering! It may take me a while to get back to everything, though, as this stuff is pretty time-consuming.

posted October 09, 2013 09:35 PM            

I have nessus conjunct Mc 1'. LOL

posted October 10, 2013 01:08 AM            

8th house is supposed to be secrets that we keep, yes?
12th house is hidden things? (hidden from us)

I think 12th can harbor plenty of secrets and I have plenty. In fact, I have a few secrets concerning this site. There's other reasons that I feel like withdrawing and whenever I go Astrology 2.0 I am reminded of it.
No one would ever guess because no one has ever known and never seen it. There's much more going on than meets the eye. It shall stay with me though. I'd never tell. Not that it's a big deal. I just don't want to. LOL
But it makes me feel slightly hurt, and a bit angry. AND... it all can be tied to my 12th house in one way or another. Planets there and aspects to them. I'm being very vague I know. I simply mean to say that there are many things that no one ever knows that drive my decisions.
You know, I have a little story. Before I was really into Astrology, just a little bit. I had a girlfriend and I was telling her that I don't feel like a Leo. I don't try to get everyone's attention and I don't have to be center stage. She said something that opened my eyes forever. She said, "That's true, but you want MY attention and want to be center stage for ME."
That's true. I may not be Leo on a worldly scale. I select my audience and I work to have THEIR attention - even if they don't know it. I'll do ridiculous things to get it if I feel that I'm bot getting it, but from one person (or a few). Not necessarily many although it may look that way.

What is very strange. I find it strange and confusing myself. In person, I can be quite the social butterfly. There's just something in my mannerisms, my charm that allows me to talk to pretty much anyone! Totally serious! The Libra Rising, Leo, Gemini Moon... (Maybe Neptune 3rd house I'm told) allow this.
Online... almost opposite really. It's such a mystery.

If someone were carefully observant, they would see that most of the "fights" that I've been in they would see a pattern of why. It's all related to my Leo Sun. Some of them I really didn't see as fights anyway. Which is weird because everyone would tell me that I'm SOOOOOO UPSET and angry. "Calm Down" they'd say. They have no idea. I wasn't always upset I just say it as I see it and I'm not going to sugarcoat it. If I think someone is being an @ss I'll say so. I guess it comes off as loosing my temper or something. LOL

Anyway, I don't mind what we do. Some people get all bent out of shape about getting a little bit off topic. Not me. My mind lives off topic. Seriously.
No lie, this is good example of something that happens to me.
Someone might say, "Oooooooo Look at that beautiful rainbow!"
Now, within seconds, completely in my mind. I'll think, "Taste the rainbow" (Skittles Candy). That will cause me to think about when I worked at a movie theater (which sold Skittles Candy) and suddenly I might start telling stories about when I worked there. (Oh I have some funny stories about there!) OR, it will start me thinking about jobs and I'll talk about that.

So someone could say "Look at that beautiful rainbow" and within seconds I've jumped to somewhere I've worked. They are COMPLETELY confused. I've done it like hundreds of times. LOL
I'm pretty chill. Whatever anyone wants to talk about.

posted October 10, 2013 07:34 PM            

I saw a thread in Astrology 2.0 about what placement do you LEAST identify with. In an effort to find it I discovered two things.

1) I feel ALL of my placements very strongly!

2) My Saturn in the 11th has a much bigger effect than I thought. Reading about it, Saturn is strong, strong, strong! I'm so glad I discovered that. Wow... Saturn kicks my *ss.

Also, I feel SOOOOOOOO aggressive, kind of angry, and extremely high libido!

posted October 13, 2013 05:39 PM            

Yes, I think they are both secrets, but the 12th house may be stuff you don't even know about. That's how I think I understand it.

Oh? None too bad I hope. That's a surprise. (Lol, see.) Shh, keep on keeping it to yourself them! Or do you want us to ask about it? ^^

You know, as long as you don't use it to hurt someone else (keeping it from others, I mean), I don't think anyone needs to know about what you think or do in your private life. It's okay to ask, but it's okay to say you won't tell as well. Bleh, now I don't know what to say! You know, keep it vague if that's how you want it.

Yesss. We are personal to others!! We rule the 5th house, we want to express ourselves, show love to the things and people we love. Just love! <3 She totally got that. Aww, that's just sweet. Actually, I'm wondering if Sun in the 5th or Sun/Jupiter, Sun/Venus and such aren't more about wanting to be on stage and get all the attention. Haha yeah, anything so they know we care hehe.

Online is a little different, you have to rely on what you write only. Sure, emoticons, punctuation and grammar help, but no matter how you put it, it depends on how someone reads it in how it's received. It's very hard and there's no, uh, expression to help you out. And there's some, uh, snobs out there to be honest. Like, in high school, the cool kids intimidated me. Online, it's the smart kids who do it - it works the other way around too. The way something's put is just so important. It changes everything. People who won't even give you time of the day if your grammar isn't perfect or you're struggling to back up your opinion - not everyone can think of something on top of their head.

It is easy to shout, "Calm down", right? Sorry that happened so often. I guess it comes down to interpretation again. It's really frustrating. It must be for you. I think it's easy to come off harsher than meant when saying it straight.

Pff it's not so bad... yet. But look how easily threads here get offtrack. It's normal. That quick, hum? Wow. Not nice. Overactive minds are a pain!!

52?! *whistles* Okay, that's enough. Really, that should be enough work for one week. Are you still finding the time to relax and do something fun?

Now I wish I knew what you'd said! Bleh. That was way too quick for me. :P But this one's cool too.
Saturn in the 11th gets mentioned soooo much by people who don't feel appreciated! It's a classic! No wonder you're getting shy online. The 11th house does rule the internet and popularity. While the MC is your reputation, the 11th says a lot about how you fare in groups. Okay, I'm rambling and being too much of a Big Teacher again. I'm just seeing so many things coming together. Saturn really tones it down.

Sun-Mars? Oh yeah. Fff do you have anything to put all of that energy into?

posted October 13, 2013 05:49 PM            

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum32/HTML/000297.html

posted October 15, 2013 02:35 PM            

I do have a 12th house thing to talk about. SSS brought up something in another thread about 12th house. It didn't really reveal anything new to me, but did remind me I suppose. Plus, it's something that I feel like talking about a bit.
To be perfectly honest, there's no reason to hide them but I always do. I want to continue hiding and I don't, both. My whole life is this push-pull. Everything in it. Which is why I'm sure I am difficult to understand.

So I go through cycles. It could be my Leo Sun fighting the rest of my chart? Specifically Leo fighting my 12th OR, it could be my moon in Gemini also since it's square Mars and Mercury that are in my 12th.
Well I'm rambling.

So, I will one minute say that I want to stop coming to the site, and then I don't actually stop coming to the site. This is very very 12th - a lot. So what's going on? Well even as I'm opening up a little right here I won't completely open up. I wouldn't to anybody.
I don't know how different planets in the 12th are affected, or affect the 12th, or signs. It's all different I'm sure, yet similarities.
They say that the 12th is to be cautious of alcoholism and drug addiction. I have no such thing and have NO desire whatsoever to smoke a cigarette, let alone do anything else. There are however, modern day, technological drug replacements: The Internet
That's exactly what it is to me. In part, it's an endless source of knowledge that my Virgo Mercury (in H12) just LOVES. That crazy Virgo Mercury just cannot obtain enough knowledge. Perhaps since it's square moon anything tied to emotion... you might as well have recorded on video. I remember emotional times unbelievably well, down to minor details.
The internet becomes an addiction. It becomes a drug. Not just because Mercury. LOL I have Mars there (not sure how that works) and Venus. Venus for whatever reason just kills me, again, and again, and again. It's square Neptune and I think since Venus is in 12 combined with that square. It's a very twisted, fantasy world full of illusion. It really is! I mean literal illusion! In the mind.
It's a very large part of why I remain single. I'm afraid. I can't even trust myself. As in, "Do I care about this person? Or is Neptune f*****g with me again? I don't know!" That's very sincerely the battle I face there. Honest. Separating illusion from reality is just the most difficult thing for me. When it comes to that aspect of life. Gemini Moon, Exalted Mercury, and Leo Sun kind of help me out a little. They step in once in a while and throw me a life-line.

The internet:
It's a world. A world so much larger and full of so much more than "real life". I can go to Japan in an instant, or England, or Australia, all in an instant. I can talk to the people (online). I can learn about their cultures. I can visit the Amazon Rain Forest, I can learn about Human Microbiology. I can read about history. I can find music and even see it live. Granted, it's not the same as DOING those things, but it's not such a bad "free" substitute, is it? I can leave the mundane, escape to somewhere else, occupy myself with learning. It's full of distraction. (and possibilities of love?? So Neptune/Venus would have me believe)
It's addicting. It's difficult to leave and let go of. It feeds something inside.
But then, some other parts of my chart seem to slap me a couple times and say, "You dumbs**t."
So I think when I say that "I get lost in the world of online" that "lost" is a keyword.
Loss
I lose a part of myself. Disconnect from reality, which ultimately, I am in. Just as if you do drugs and escape from reality. You think you have, but you haven't. It will come back.
When that happens to me. If I step back and think, "Geez. How much time have I spent online?" Or see that I'm falling behind on some other things. It's a wake-up. I don't want that. Leo you see, wants domination. Leo can't stand to lose power to anything - the internet included. Leo demands to have total control of self. Leo, my sun, is the essence of my being. My soul, my ego, my life force, the center of myself. So in the deepest parts of myself, I don't want this. I want it to be what it's "supposed" to be - something to do when I have nothing **ELSE** to do. Not something that keeps me from other things.

I don't mind Mercury in my 12th. Mercury loves it. I mean it's Virgo. Even in the 12th, Mercury is "home". It's comfortable. Square Moon... mmmm... that's a bit harsh. Especially when it's sitting with Mars and both squaring my moon. A lot of harsh energy being focused there.

So, if someone where to ask me, "What part of your chart would you change? And what part of your chart would you like to go to?"

Well, Venus in the 12th. I can deal with that. That's okay. Venus square Neptune? Kill it. Kill it with fire. If it were something tangible... some living thing. I'd choke it to death. Kill that f*****g thing.

Thankfully, what I want to become stronger, has always wanted to be king itself. Leo Sun. Amp it up! Shine, glow, burn... dominate (my chart)

posted October 23, 2013 02:25 PM            

I think planets in the 12th house are the kind of traits or behaviour that, when someone else says/does it, it's okay, but you can't get away with. It's like you tend to get the criticism when you do it.

With Libra Rising and then Venus here, I've heard sooo many times that I'm a suckup - or people who mistake me giving a compliment for that. The other way around, too, I can't crack a joke about being too nice or sucking up without grossly getting people mad and offended. Not doing that anymore as I can't put it well enough, apparently. Or I'd get crucified for - gasp, wait for it - seeing things from the side of the "bad guy" or loser/victim. Or even seeing something good in someone whom the popular crew thought of as cr*p at writing (it were all in writing communities, very Virgo!). Mercury - I shouldn't even attempt to gossip or even say something about someone else offscreen. Been the target of vicious gossip plenty of times myself. The Virgo makes it nasty gossip pointing out everything that's wrong with me. Libra connected to the 12th house probably gets a lot of flack for seeing things from both sides or not picking one. Have you had this with your same planets?

The push-pull thing is something I get. You want to be social and yet you need to hide out now and then - alone time is sacred! Honestly, Pisces/12th house/Neptunian people need to escape now and then to get back in touch with themselves. They spend every day picking up so many vibes and feelings from others, if they don't take some time for themselves, they end up hurting themselves. It's odd but I've only realised it just now, once I got into Astrology. I do tend to be easily influenced by others - especially in how they talk to me. I'd adapt to it or take over their style of talking. It's just so weird and yet totally fits with me never having been aware of it. When I'm around Arien type of people or Sags, I catch myself use a lot more blunt language, too, or even using swear words I normally never use - or at least not that often.

But back to topic! Yeah, I think your chart shows a lot of that conflict. If I can ask you something personal, do you maybe push the Leo/Pluto-ASC/etc not to look vulnerable? Or easily feel triggered by fellow competitive souls?

Pff creepy huh? I'm not even that big a person here and I've seen it come back in some people's posts. I'm not even looking for it, it just happens! Been taking notes ever since I started studying astro not to forget it and these notes have stuck with me.

So yes, to answer the last few of your paragraphs, too, the Leo needs to be shown too. I wouldn't say kill the Neptunian influence, but try to focus on the positive sides of it. Leo and Neptune are both super artistic and creative. Any chance you're good with art, photography, anything like that?

You know, that's okay. Not everyone will love to share their personal life online. Hey, what you don't post here you don't have to delete in case a boss finds it, right?

And yes, there's more than just the alcohol or drugs. I'm super sensitive to medicines, for instance, so I always have to take the smallest dose and be very wary of side effects. (Sure helps with that Pisces 6th house!) I could never get away with just not reading the enclosure. It's so annoying, but I know I'll have to.

So the internet works for addiction too. Given, lots of people are dependent on it these days, especially through work or school, but I do think us Neptunians need to be extra careful. Lol. Same here. Too much checking on my phone - I don't want to miss anything!!! It's just so cooooool!! Okay, chilling out now.
Knowledge, visiting places far away, research, fun, there's just so much to do online and it's all just so tempting, like a big glaring sign saying "free candy!"
While it's good you're being careful, please don't cuss yourself out over being there (unless it's really stopping you from work). There's also a time for us to have fun and relax. It's just all about making sure not to go too far. So maybe a break from this board would be really good for you.

Moon and Mercury square Mars sound tough and I bet they make you even more competitive.

Honestly, though, everyone here loves talking about themselves and they're all sensitive even a little. So am I. It's just a case of whoever is the loudest about it, you know? I do feel the competitive vibe like on lots of other boards. The anonymity just tempts you.

posted October 25, 2013 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by meissieri:

Been the target of vicious gossip plenty of times myself.

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how do you deal with really toxic gossip?

posted November 09, 2013 06:49 AM            

So sorry for taking this long to get back to you. School and a new course really sucked up all of my time and energy. If you still want to know about Zander, he didn't like how much the board was taking him over and felt as if it was getting him a little addicted. So he cut things off and wants to get things back together.

Shame, I definitely miss him here but luckily we do e-mail. I asked him if I could say it here and he was fine with it.

As for the gossip, I really don't know. I've always tried to just let it blow over, lay low until it went away, but that never worked unless someone would take pity on me and stick up for me (which didn't happen often). I've definitely tried to clear things up when something wasn't true (or when I felt so horrible knowing someone I trusted told everyone). None of them did much good, it really showed how helpless you are with someone else having all the power to keep things going to put a stop to it.

posted November 17, 2013 03:58 AM            

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Originally posted by CatKeeper:
Hello all! I have the Sun, Mercury and Venus in the 12th house. The sun's in Cancer, Mercury and Venus are in Leo. My ascendant is in Leo, so that means my chart ruler's in the 12th...

I often feel like I'm either invisible, or the object of scorn/ridicule. Bullied as a kid, you bet. I've always had a very vivid imagination, though, and a love of solitude, as well as a love of the mysterious and the different, like science fiction/fantasy, and spirituality/religion/God. People who are more social and extroverted just don't quite understand me.

Interesting that someone should mention a correlation between Mercury in the 12th and difficulties with speech. I tend to get tongue-tied, especially when nervous or very very tired, guess you could call it a bit of a stutter. I tend to be a quiet person though, also something misunderstood by a lot of people. Women are apparently supposed to babble on all the time about nothing, so it flouts a social convention to be taciturn. If I have something I think is worth saying, I'll say it, but I don't go on forever about trivialities.

...Anyone got a cure for the 12th house?!? Haven't found the door to Narnia yet, so...

~Cat

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I read in one post in lindaland that planets in 12 were hidden and somehow unconscious to us. We do not live the planet or are aware of their presence. with venus in 12, people may have difficult in knowing what they want, they always confuse what they waht with what others want, with mars, a lot of problem with assertivity, it is easy to be target of bullying because your own aggessiveness is not aware, so yo may pass the vibe along, but not the awareness and the look like other are harassing..

with jupiter, there i have read that it may produce mental instability. as jupiter expands everything, i may think that exagerates the need for merging and being in the womb-other world? but not sure how it plays as beeing hidden from consciusness. maybe the phylosophy of life is quite merget with that of others. if we think about it. our phylosofy of life helps to get through things, with that hidden in 12, it may make someoby hopeless in times of desperation?