posted August 22, 2013 02:12 AM            

This is a general thread about 12th house for anyone to post about it.
I have three planets there. Mercury, Mars, and Venus, in Virgo. They aspect each other and other planets but I won't get into that. Mercury is very strong in my chart.

Below, in quotations, are things that I've found in a much older thread that I can relate to. I also may or may not write my thoughts or experiences below it. But the things I've gathered are in quotes.

"Mercury in the 12th could suffer occassionally from intrusive thoughts of an obsessive or disturbing nature."

I have this very much. I'm always extremely fearful to tell people that they exist, let alone what they are.

"This placement also gives a secretive mind, which hides what it is thinking from others."

"It maybe that they understand much more than they are able to put into words"

"Virgo on the cusp of the 12th is prone to obsessive-compulsive thoughts Stemming froma fear of looking silly or appearing foolish, they maybe be afraid to relax and let go. Often they judge themselves against too rigid ideals of perfection and harbour feeligs of inadequacy. This sensitivity to what is weak or flawed can be turned around and used to help themselves or othes where it needed most."

With Virgo being my 12th house... ohhhhhhhhhh yeah. I feel this! I feel it strongly. People say that Virgo is critical of others. Weeellll... I have news. I'm critical of myself 100 fold.

"my intuition and flashes of insight are very sharp and clear about people (first impressions are usually right on target...it's when I second guess what I first see in people is when I get in trouble) and also get information 'out of nowhere' about people, a knowing. I just know things"

That one is HUGE for me. I try to explain to people what I mean, and what I feel and I can never quite get it across to them. "First Impression". Whereas many people can get a first impression about someone when they meet them. I get one well before that. Just a picture sometimes. Or to just see them walk past without exchanging glances or words. It's happened time and time again. People that I first see at work. Anywhere! Even people online. Sometimes just seeing a few posts and I have a good idea about that person. It's just crazy. There's been SEVERAL times that NOT listening to my first impression intuition has really come back to bite me.
It may not even be right to call it "impression". Impressions are wrong a lot of times, this is not. Very rarely am I ever wrong if I get this sense about someone which is quite a lot of the time.
Unfortunately, this also means that most of the time I will know what combination of buttons to push to get whatever reaction I want, to an extent.

"sometimes my knowing/understanding goes along with not being able to articulate where it originates at times, so I tend to internalize what I know, it stays 'hidden'."

"I have problems putting my thoughts in to words. Often people misunderstand what i am really trying to convey. And of cousre when reading what i have said as well. Although its hard to know how a person is trying to say something when reading it; sarcastic, serious, mean etc ... things can be interpreted wrong is what i am trying to say. Often when reading myself, i have to re-read things to understand them."

"sometimes I feel like I cant talk and sometimes I enjoy just not talking, i like being quiet. Sometimes I find myself have to talk over others when I do speak becuase they always tend to either cut me off or talk over me which is very draining to keep up with so Id rather stay quiet"

"i talk/think so fast that my words and thoughts stumble over each other, sometimes it's like i'm verbally dyslexic. my brain doesn't follow a linear way of thinking and i can easily jump around to 5 different topics and then come back to the starting one at any moments notice."

This presents a big problem for me. I want to tell people like 4 things at once, but I can only do one at a time. LOL My mind processes all four of them just fine.

"I have strong mental abilities, I just deal with a lot of frustration always feeling misunderstood, like I didn't get my point across the way I wanted to. I'm very intense ..feel things intensly. I things hidden. Alooooooot of people trust me with there secrets. Sometimes its very overwhelming."

"my mind works so much faster than I can communicate at times. I feel like I can come off rather ditzy (often making me choose to remain quiet) because I stutter when I can't keep up verbally with my train of thought."

A LOT of this is exactly why I don't post as much as I want to. I don't know how to get it out. Or if I tried I might leave a book for a comment all over this site. Starting out talking about 12th house and ending up talking about aliens abducting people in Russia. LOL Being misunderstood the entire way. There is a very strange story from the 50's in Russia btw. It's weeiiirrd.

"The weirdest thing is my dreams, they're really really vivid. Like as if I'm watching a film; I remember the dialogue and tiny details when I wake up. These dreams often inspire me for my creative writing. I just get all of these images and I have to write them out"

I remember many many dreams from my childhood into now.

And there you are! I TOTALLY relate to all of those things.
That's just Mercury!! I have Mars and Venus there too.

While we're on Venus. People say that they are very capable of cheating. NO! Not this guy! I've never and I don't plan to. Although, I've been the guy that they cheat with. Just once. Big mistake that I don't plan to repeat.

posted August 25, 2013 10:45 AM            

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1st House: Sagittarius Ascendant, Sagittarius Moon, Sagittarius Neptune.

2nd House: Uranus in Capricorn.

3rd House: Saturn in Aquarius.

5th House: Ketu in Aries.

9th House: Mars in Leo.

11th House: Venus + Rahu in Libra.

posted August 25, 2013 10:56 AM            

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posted August 25, 2013 11:12 AM            

having any planet in the house that breaks down the STRUCTURE of things is hard.

The 12th house is the house of the next world. These creatures are mystical, spiritual creatures unlike those of people with no 12th house planets.

This would be the house of the Saint or the Sinner. One could go down into addictions( a morph into formlessness) or one could rise up to great spiritual heights.

One will go either way imo

That is the great challenge of the 12th house.

Your being very psychic and it always working fits too cuz the 12th house people are closer to the psychic dimension.

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posted August 25, 2013 11:25 AM            

The fact that it is amorphous like smoke makes it hard to explain.

You have given me some of the best 12th house insights I have ever had.

Thank you

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posted August 25, 2013 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You know what, Tony? You sparked me to write another article about the 12th house because you really explained it well.

The fact that it is amorphous like smoke makes it hard to explain.

You have given me some of the best 12th house insights I have ever had.

Thank you

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You're welcome!

I'll be interested to read it.
I'm feeling kind of "tight lipped" though. It's weird, I talked about taking a break and/or just staying more underground which, would be like quitting your Facebook. LOL You do it and then a few days later you're back.
But I do feel this just sort of, effortless, natural feeling to just say a little 'underground'.
I just opened my Facebook back up after a month (it just got to be old) and still haven't really been on it - don't care.

posted August 30, 2013 07:55 PM            

I often feel like I'm either invisible, or the object of scorn/ridicule. Bullied as a kid, you bet. I've always had a very vivid imagination, though, and a love of solitude, as well as a love of the mysterious and the different, like science fiction/fantasy, and spirituality/religion/God. People who are more social and extroverted just don't quite understand me.

Interesting that someone should mention a correlation between Mercury in the 12th and difficulties with speech. I tend to get tongue-tied, especially when nervous or very very tired, guess you could call it a bit of a stutter. I tend to be a quiet person though, also something misunderstood by a lot of people. Women are apparently supposed to babble on all the time about nothing, so it flouts a social convention to be taciturn. If I have something I think is worth saying, I'll say it, but I don't go on forever about trivialities.

...Anyone got a cure for the 12th house?!? Haven't found the door to Narnia yet, so...

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posted September 02, 2013 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Zander916:
Just yesterday I drove about 30 miles to my hometown.
I drove about 20 of them and couldn't remember them at all. I was watching the road and not on my phone or playing with the radio. It's just that my mind was so engrossed in thought that those first 20 miles were a blur. lol

Then, I found that after a few hours of socializing I was nearly desperate to get home even though I didn't say too much. I mostly played with my two year old great niece.

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The 12th house makes socializing hard as one feels as if one is in a shell

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posted September 03, 2013 04:57 PM            

12th housers being so secretive, perhaps one already exists but few know about it. Let me in, guys!!!

posted September 03, 2013 05:23 PM            

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Originally posted by CatKeeper:
Thanks Ami Anne! Hmm, perhaps us 12th housers should get together and form a union to speak up *for* us, for better conditions for the sensitive and solitude-loving. get an Aries Rising to act as our mouthpiece.

12th housers being so secretive, perhaps one already exists but few know about it. Let me in, guys!!!

~Cat

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Aww That is so cute

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posted September 04, 2013 02:44 AM            

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Originally posted by CatKeeper:
Thanks Ami Anne! Hmm, perhaps us 12th housers should get together and form a union to speak up *for* us, for better conditions for the sensitive and solitude-loving. get an Aries Rising to act as our mouthpiece.

12th housers being so secretive, perhaps one already exists but few know about it. Let me in, guys!!!

~Cat

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I like it!

I have this weird mixture being Leo Sun in the 11th and some other stuff. I'm very secretive, yet outspoken if I feel it's important.
Sometimes I just make the effort to be social as best I can. I've gotten better.

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posted September 04, 2013 12:22 PM            

I have sun, mercury, venus, Uranus and Neptune in the 12th. I feel the effect of 12th house mercury and perhaps uranus a lot, my mind is always very high-strung and I often think of a million things at the same time. And yeah, sometimes my thoughts can be of a very perverse, disturbing nature. I dream and fantasize a lot, my dream/fantasies always have some sort of sexual undertone.

Sun in the 12th and Neptune cause me to feel like there are several versions of me, and they all exist in one physical shell.

Neptune in the 12th, like I said I like dreams and fantasies, so I love books/movies/music/people/things.... that stimulate my imagination. Getting lost in wonderland is one of my hobbies.

Talking about secrets, hmm some people see me as secretive but the truth is that I don't have many personal "secrets", just things that I see as irrelevant and hence I don't talk much about them.

posted September 04, 2013 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Zander916:
If I won the lottery I'd get a place WAY WAY out in nowhere so I could chill on my porch in my underwear if I wanted. LOL

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Can't you do that? Is it illegal where you live?

If my memory doesn't fail me, I think I've read that there are some parts of asia where doing that is illegal lol. Over here people chill in the parks, on the porches... in swimwear that is tinier than underwear lol.

But yeah, in summer I do love chilling on the porch in a bikini. Lazy summer days....

posted September 04, 2013 01:45 PM            

It might be illegal to go in my actual underwear but swim wear no problem. They're strange like that but I just don't want anyone to see me. lol

Perfectly said about secrets. I have a few secrets, as oanyone probably does and details of things that I'm private about, but yes, many many MANY times I simply keep things to myself because they don't seem important or are irrelevant.
In fact, people at work probably know almost as much as my family does about my life the last few years. It doesn't really bother me. Rumors fly and if they want to know the truth, I'll tell them. If not, no biggie. They can believe whatever. LOL

I have Mercury, Mars, and Venus in 12th. Mercury and Mars Conjunct, and Mars Conjunct Asc. Mar's, Mercury square moon.
I'm discovering what parts of myself are Mars now. . It's energy is ALMOST never expressed at all and if so, in very small amounts. Mar's energy doesn't fit with the rest of me and is INCREDIBLY aggressive, but also very repressed and almost can't be drawn out. One person managed to. Then again maybe it's leo sun square Jupiter. I don't know.

posted September 05, 2013 02:00 AM            

I can’t agree more about the rumours part. Rumours, gossips, tall tales, misunderstandings... Same stuffs happen to me all the time. I think that’s where the “mysterious” and “secretive” airs come from. We can be just normal individuals, but a lot of other people don’t “see” us that way. Yeah much like you I often just let the rumours fly; apparently they know more about me and understand me better than I understand myself HAHA.

With mars conjunct ascendant, although it’s in the 12th house I guess that you can still gain access to its energy and express it. How do you deal with frustration/anger? Drive? Ambitions? Do you often feel tired/lack of vitality? One of my friends has mars in the 12th and it often causes her to feel sluggish. But her mars doesn’t conjunct her ascendant though.

There is a lot of good info on this blog: http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/7-secrets-you-may-not-know-about-the-12th- house/

In that article, I find this part explains the 12th house planets on ascendant very nicely:

The closer a 12th house planet is to the Ascendant, the less of a secret it really is! A 12th house planet that is conjunct the Ascendant within 10° is much more apparent to people around you and the world at large than you believe. You’re probably not fooling anyone but yourself, even if they don’t call you on it. An example would be the flamboyantly gay but closeted person who believes that if they don’t talk about it no one will know.

This is pretty much what I understand:

1st house planets: the native can “feel” and express their energies consciously. Other people notice.

12th house planets: can be blind spots to the native and elusive to other people.

12th house planets conjunct the ascendant: like that article describes, the natives may not notice but others do. The natives may express the energies without even noticing.

I have venus and Neptune on the ascendant. I feel like I swing back and forth between the two houses.

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Hmm privacy isn't a concern, I'm more concern about the rules haha I may cross the lines. But yeah if Mods see my post as inappropriate, you guys can modify it or tell me I'll edit this part out.

I often find sex, sexual taboos and uncommon sexual practices interesting. Incest, bestiality, incubus-succubus, “entities”, blood, gore and violence, rape and forced seduction are some of the topics. I’m also very interested in sexuality across the cultures and in history. I spend a lot of time thinking and reading books about those topics. But yeah I don’t fantasize about engaging in those practices. I’m curious about the information only.

When I fantasize, it's about sex practices that I engage in, from sweet love-making to kinky sex.

About the “sexual” dreams, they are often “set” in somewhat surreal, fantasy themes, and there are always some hints of sexuality, like last night I dreamed of naked women sleeping on the riverbank. One night I dreamed of a bunch of female deer running through the dark woods and at some point I think they had faces of human females. In that dream it felt like they were doing a “courting dance”.

posted September 11, 2013 01:55 PM            

Ontopic now... The 12th house has so many different interpretations, it represents so much it makes my head spin. But there's always a couple of things that hit, even if another 12th houser won't relate to it.

You used one of my quotes, cool. I'd forgotten I'd even posted that. Yup, free movies every night, right? ^^ In movies, I'm with the characters... like I'm following them in spirit, watching over their shoulder.

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Originally posted by Zander916:
There's been SEVERAL times that NOT listening to my first impression intuition has really come back to bite me.

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Wow! This. So many times, I wanted to be open-minded, not judge people by how they looked, not such a b*tch for avoiding someone or confronting them over "just a hunch" or "it just doesn't feel right". Then it turned out my intuition had been right all along - when it was too late. The 12th is just so forgiving, you justify everything, fill in the gaps because they're people you trust.

And it really waters down the traits of your 12th house sign, I think. Or maybe that's just for the 12th house person.

posted September 16, 2013 08:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Sandra018:
What happened to my post on this thread?

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We lost a day's postings because the server hardware went down.

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posted September 17, 2013 02:18 AM            

Venus in the 12th and falling for unattainable people.
For me, it really only started a few years ago. Before that, never.

Nearly every relationship that I've had involved them being jealous and/or possessive and/or clingy.
The clingy part was the most consistent throughout.

So it's simple really. Not consciously, but in the back of my mind I knew a taken (married) person could NOT do that. They could not be clingy as they had their own commitments to attend to, thus allowing me space.
Now that I'm aware of it I can direct myself away from that pattern and just be patient and careful. Which I am now actually. That's putting is very short. I can spend LOOOOOOONG periods of time alone. I don't really prefer to sometimes but I can do it and maintain sanity. LOL
I actually made a video on this because I thought it might be cool - let people kind of meet me in a sense. But then I thought.... Ehhhhh... there's probably a LOT of people that I would prefer didn't.

Anyway.......

posted September 17, 2013 02:31 AM            

"Barge" in anytime!

I appreciate the kind words.
That other thread. I just should have never went there.
The other thing about that is. Summers are just INCREDIBLY hard for me. I don't know why but I just get depressed.
It's so strange. Just in the matter of a week here, it went from 90's and 100's down to 60's and low 70's. Now I feel better. It feels more like autumn here. The air just feels different aside from temperature.

posted September 18, 2013 02:15 PM            

Falling for the unattainable. Oh God, yes. Too many times. For you it was more of a reaction to not wanting to be possessed? What you talk about sounds like a Pluto affliction somewhere. Do you have any?

Never works out 'cause I'm way more into the relationship than they are, but I guess I envy how they just find their space, do their own thing. I'd think they'd be accepting and open-minded (I'm very emotional, so I do look for someone who doesn't mind this)... only to find out that'd only be when it suited them. I just really dislike meeting Uranus on the outside.

Seriously, though, Venus in the 12th is a hard placement. I think you'll go through at least one horrible, heart-breaking relationship with this to find out what you're really looking for. It changes you. It's not fair, it's easy to give up, especially not in compare to the other houses, but that's the 12th house.

I've definitely had my share of heartbreak in love - attracting (and falling for) the wrong kinds of people, lots of unrequited, the mentioned unavailable types. It takes a really honest look at yourself to find out why it keeps happening - like with you and your dislike of possessive, clingy people.

After reading a lot of articles on it, I think I agree with that it's like having a Venus-Neptune harsh aspect. It's very romantic and sympathetic, but it leaves you very open for being taken advantage of (especially by someone you didn't expect it from - 12th house rules the secret enemies). That's something I, at least, will always have to be aware of. But there's hope, it's a little bright spot! The level of compassion and willingness to make sacrifices (for the two of you) can actually be a great thing in a relationship... as long as you can keep your boundaries. I really hope I don't sound like I'm victim-blaming here, it's always the fault of the abuser for letting it happen, but you know. It makes you so vulnerable, it's like you have this invisible vibe around you that everyone picks up on.

Having Virgo in the 12th makes it worse -- Aries DSC, attracting people who are aggressive.