posted August 22, 2013 08:39 AM            

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posted August 22, 2013 03:21 PM            

You can say anything you want here.

I needed to do that when I came to LL and wonderful people let me and so now I try to provide a safe climate for other people to open their hearts and mind.

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posted August 22, 2013 03:22 PM            

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posted August 22, 2013 06:07 PM            

This seems to be an omnipresent question. It may be said or left, unsaid. The song by Maria Mena, “Just Hold Me”, seems to haunt all of us, but the 12th House Planet natives know it, deeply. Others may feel raw and amorphous, but the 12th House person swims in it, struggling not to go under, to the bottom of the sea, as did Sedna. The 12th House experience is very different than any other. They are the demi aliens living among us. They are the poets and the artists. If they do not write and sing from their pain, they have special gifts with which to use their sensitivity. They can go into a hospice and hold the hand of a dying patient. They know the next dimension.If Mother Teresa was not a 12th House person, her work was.

To define the problem is fine, but that slithers around the answer. What is one to do? The first step seems to truly acknowledge your 12th House Planets:to study them in depth. Know who you are, as you cannot run. They are part of you. Only a Higher Authority knows why some charts are harder than others. That answer is unknowable.However, God has given us our personal maps:the astrological charts. Hence, for the 12th House person, he must understand who he is. He must try not to be ashamed of how he is different. He cannot bear an itchy sweater, while another sign could wear it all day. Hence, the first step is to stop trying to be like others: non 12th House people.

Then, one must find someone to whom one can tell the pain, as there will be valleys of sorrow. I don’t know how the sorrow came. It came differently for different people, but the 12th House person carries it. He may seem as if he does not. He may smile or swagger, but it is there. A sensitive person can pick it up. The 12th House person is holding a wound, just as real as a solider holding a war wound, trying to constrict it so as to stop the bleeding.The 12th House person feels set apart from others. The hardest part of all this is finding a person who can bear the pain with you, and not try to fix. You know all the fix’s. You have tried them all, to no avail. That is part of the omnipresent hopelessness which is part of the existence for a 12th House person.

The 12th House person tends to depression. Much of this is the internal isolation. Finding a person who will help you bear your sorrow will help. The hardest part for the other person is to resist the urge to fix, mitigate or make better in any way.It cannot be made better.It can only be released. That is the best way another person can help. They need to shut their mouths and let you cry. It sounds so easy, but few people can do it. You may be surprised, but it is true. Alice Miller brought the concept of the Enlightened Witness to the fore. Actually, if society was not so isolated, the EW may have been an aunt or a grandparent, in days past, when the family was closer. Now, intimacy is rare. Intimacy is one of the cures for 12th House planets. However, intimacy is a problem on it’s own, as the native has to be vulnerable. How can one be vulnerable when there is so much pain that the touch of another may be like fire? This is the conundrum.

God takes relationships very seriously, as He made Adam so He, Himself, would have a friend. As complete as God was, He wanted someone with whom to share. That is an amazing concept, but highlights the importance of relationships. As flawed as we are, there is nothing as special as someone seeing you. Intimacy is “In-To-Me-See”. How hard it is for us to, even, see ourselves, let alone show oneself to another. The 12th House person has more miles to go in the process of seeing himself, as it is harder for him. He wants to run away. He may get into addictions, as addictions are pain killers. The addictions may take him down. They may take him to the bottom of himself, or the bottom of life, itself, into death. The 12th House person cannot escape himself. Others have tried. I have more to say on this subject, but will take a break, as the last thing I want to do is give platitudes on a subject which has had platitudes thrown at it until it wants to vomit.

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posted August 22, 2013 06:08 PM            

I was thinking about this, in terms of my chart. I have Ruler of the 5th in the 12th.I lost a child. The 5th is the House of Children.It’s Ruler travels to the 12th, the House of Sorrow, as was it’s old name. Does anyone have a House Ruler in the 12th House? If so, please tell me from which House it came and what you have experienced. This would apply to people with 12th House planets, only.

A lovely woman in one of my Astrology Study Groups allowed me to use her name and to bring you part of her story, related to the Ruler of the 5th House in the 12th House. Gisele Matthews is her name . Here is what she wrote: You know, the ruler of my 5th is in the 12th which is why I chose to never have children.. I did have two abortions when I was in my early 20′s. I had to have them, as I was on heavy medication at the time that would have caused a deformed fetus. And yes, it was very sad.

** In the brief time I have had this question up, the answer seems to be a resounding “Yes”. It seems that the sorrow is in the domain of the House whose Ruling Planet travels to the 12th.

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posted August 22, 2013 06:09 PM            

I have been haunted by a song. What is the song trying to say? Why is it so haunting? To what does it speak? I think it is a 12th House song. The 12th House hurts so badly, because the person yearns, but cannot seem to get what he yearns for. It seems he cannot act in his own behalf. He swims in the waters of Pisces, wanting and yearning, yet not being able to make his dreams become reality. That seems to be the legacy of 12th house planets.I seem to be doing many charts with 12th house planets.How does one put in to words, the feeling of living in an alternate reality? Non 12th House people do not understand. The 12th House person is a sort of alien. He feels things more deeply. He feels pain more deeply. Rejection hits him deeper. In that sense, he is living in a world within a world. Music can speak where words fail. Does this song speak to your 12th House reality? It speaks to mine.

Pleas Listen to Maria Mena—Just Hold Me

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posted August 22, 2013 06:10 PM            

The 12th House is akin to the 8th House. These Houses are spoken about in whispers. The 8th House rules death. The 12th rules prisons, mental institutions, the hospice, the hospital, addictions and obsessions.The 8th could rule obsessions, too. There is some overlap, as each House rules underground things, taboos. If you cannot talk about it at a cocktail party, it is ruled by one of these Houses. The 8th House rules underground emotions and passions. The 12th House is the doorway to the next dimension. It rules the womb, as it is the dimension before life. It rules the after life, although the event of death is ruled by the 8th House. Where one goes AFTER death is a 12th House domain. A person with a strong 12th House is a very spiritual creature, as he must be. Either that, or he will fall in to addictions. There seems to be no other way to navigate a strong 12th House. One will be a sinner or a saint, as the saying goes. Some of the most deeply spiritual people have heavily occupied 12th Houses. Some of the people who end up in prisons and mental institutions have heavy 12th House influences, too. The answer to the 12th House is found in God, as the earth does not provide the level of comfort needed to navigate life, to those who inhabit the 12th House regions.

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posted August 22, 2013 06:11 PM            

I feel a burden for those with 12th house planets. As I do more charts, the angst associated with 12th house planets is palpable, to me. I have Neptune in the 12th, which is the easiest 12th house planet and even it is very hard. I think that there is one way to deal with the burden of 12th house planets. There is one way to transmute that burden from dross to gold. It is through service. The 12th house is the door to the next dimension. The next dimension does not have the values of this one. On this earth, money, beauty and prestige trump. In the next dimension, it is the quality of your heart. This will resonate with 12th house people, I suspect. I think they already know it. It is written deep inside them. These knowings are part of what makes them both different and special. If you have 12th house planets, consider the form of service with fits with you. Start to put it in to practice,slowly. When you feel depression, as most 12th house planets have, give to someone else. The depression will transmute and something of beauty will be in it’s place.

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posted August 22, 2013 06:11 PM            

Venus may be one of the hardest planets to have in the 12th house. Neptune is thought to be the easiest, followed by Jupiter. After that, it is a matter of opinion, perhaps. To me, Venus seems hard. We, all, need love. Love is the soul food for the human. Venus is the planet of love, all love, not just that between lovers. The 12th house Venus seems to sit on the sidelines and watch love go by. There does not seem to be much for her. She may think that the outer world is denying her, but that is not the case. The outer world, reflects the inner world, in most cases. This Venus hurts too much to put herself forward and risk rejection. She may try, but she may find herself hiding under the bed, as the result of the effort and vowing not to try, again. Love seems to come easily to some. To Venus in the 12th house, she is a creature of the next dimension, as are all holders of 12th house planets. As such, she needs a lover to take her hand and encourage her to come out,and tell her that she is loved despite her flaws, which she magnifies more than any one else . Be gentle with this Venus. You will have a special creature love you, if she gives you her heart.

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posted August 22, 2013 06:12 PM            

The twelfth house planet(s) will pull one back to itself as a wound on the body will draws our attention. One cannot get on with daily life when one is in pain. The pain calls for healing. I think an astrologer must go focus on the 12th house . He must see which planets are there, first of all.Then, he must check asteroids. If a client has a Retrograde 12th house planet, that would intensify the effect of the 12th house. After one analyzes the planet, then one must look at the aspects that planet makes. Anything that 12th house planet touches, will be touched with the pain of the 12th house. In order to set a client free, the 12th house must be looked at, as if under a microscope, in my humble opinion.

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posted August 22, 2013 07:49 PM            

I think the hardest thing you have are the 12th House planets.

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posted August 22, 2013 07:59 PM            

Randall, IQ and Lalalinda let me talk and cry and talk and cry for 2 years and now I am better and am here to help others

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posted August 23, 2013 11:00 AM            

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