posted May 12, 2015 08:30 PM            

One thing I'm not so sure on is the importance of the angles when forming aspect patterns, in my case a T-square.
I tried looking it up but it seems like people are very divided on it. Some people are adamant it only counts with three planets while others state that any major point can be used, or that if its an angle it has to be 'activated' by a transiting body conjuncting it.
Personally I feel with the importance of the Ascendant,especially in soul-centered astrology, I don't see any reason the Asc couldn't be used with aspect patterns. (but maybe I'm just biased and really want something cool happening in my chart (^: ) Whats your take on it?

In my instance, provided the Ascendent counts, I have a cardinal T-square with
Asc in Aries opposite
Mercury in Libra with the
Moon, Neptune,(and Uranus with a wider orb)conjunct at the apex in Capricorn.

All the signs in their ruling houses.

posted May 13, 2015 01:46 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpioSword:
In my instance, provided the Ascendent counts, I have a cardinal T-square with
Asc in Aries opposite
Mercury in Libra with the
Moon, Neptune,(and Uranus with a wider orb)conjunct at the apex in Capricorn.

All the signs in their ruling houses.

(Also if anyone wants to throw any interps as to how this could apply to vocational astrology that would be cool as well)

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I'm not sure that the ASC would be a part of that configuration--

I've only seen descriptions with planets; not angles.

The thought being (as I've read) that the angle cannot "complete

the circuit."

On the bright side, however...

the t-square can be a difficult, stressful configuration in the

chart... and you don't have to worry about it.

Bullet dodged.

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posted May 13, 2015 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Eirlys:

I'm not sure that the ASC would be a part of that configuration--

I've only seen descriptions with planets; not angles.

The thought being (as I've read) that the angle cannot "complete

the circuit."
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I've read this as well, and while I can jive with the transiting body "completing the circuit" hypothesis, I feel like it makes it less significant since it's just for a brief period and not with you since birth.

Another question though, if we can consider single aspects to the ascendant as being valid (i.e. Sun opposed Asc, Mars Trine Asc, etc.) how is it not valid when it comes aspect patterns?

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Originally posted by Eirlys:

On the bright side, however...

the t-square can be a difficult, stressful configuration in the

chart... and you don't have to worry about it.

Bullet dodged.

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posted May 13, 2015 11:54 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpioSword:
I've read this as well, and while I can jive with the transiting body "completing the circuit" hypothesis, I feel like it makes it less significant since it's just for a brief period and not with you since birth.

Another question though, if we can consider single aspects to the ascendant as being valid (i.e. Sun opposed Asc, Mars Trine Asc, etc.) how is it not valid when it comes aspect patterns?

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I'm not sure what you mean by the 'transiting body.'

The 3rd planet would be just as much a part of your

natal chart as the first and second.

Maybe I'm just not understanding you correctly.

The second part... I don't disagree with you, there.

If the ASC is good enough for a square, then you'd

think it would qualify for the t-square, as well.

The best explanation I've heard is that the major

angles in our charts can aspected, but they cannot

cast an aspect, themselves.

Ultimately, the decision is yours-- if you feel it's

a legitimate configuration in your chart, then that's

that.

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Ha, with the amount of squares in my chart I'm screwed regardless! :^)
While I'm aware of the challenges a T-square square presents, I'm not afraid to embrace it if it happens to be a valid configuration in my chart.
From what I've read T-squares are suppose to kick your arse, but if you can tough it out it can grant success and growth.

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I hear you... I think I have something like seven* squares

in my natal chart.

And a t-square-- the solution (or missing leg) is somewhere

in Scorpio, just before the DSC.

If you view yours as viable, the solution(s) would be in Cancer,

directly opposite the Apex (you probably already know that).

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*edit.. I counted; it's 7 squares. :|

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posted May 15, 2015 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Eirlys:
I'm not sure what you mean by the 'transiting body.'

The 3rd planet would be just as much a part of your

natal chart as the first and second.

Maybe I'm just not understanding you correctly.

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Going on the idea that the Asc cannot cast an aspect, it requires that another planet become conjunct to it as a synastry aspect in order for it to complete an aspect pattern in a natal chart.

So for example my T-square became valid when Uranus was conjunct my ascendant a few months ago.

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Originally posted by Eirlys:

I hear you... I think I have something like seven* squares

in my natal chart.

And a t-square-- the solution (or missing leg) is somewhere

in Scorpio, just before the DSC.

If you view yours as viable, the solution(s) would be in Cancer,

directly opposite the Apex (you probably already know that).

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*edit.. I counted; it's 7 squares. :|

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Ouch! I have the same amount actually haha.
Interestingly my Part of Fortune is in Cancer but too far away to be opposite the apex and its actually the only point in the bottom hemisphere in my chart.

posted May 16, 2015 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpioSword:
Ouch! I have the same amount actually haha.
Interestingly my Part of Fortune is in Cancer but too far away to be opposite the apex and its actually the only point in the bottom hemisphere in my chart.

Also curiously if we want to get into rulerships my moon just so happens to also be one of the planets at the apex.

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So you get it, then.

*mutters something about building character*

Go ahead and post your chart if you like...

you may have other configurations in there.

Who knows... but a visual helps.

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posted May 17, 2015 07:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Eirlys:
So you get it, then.

*mutters something about building character*

Go ahead and post your chart if you like...

you may have other configurations in there.

Who knows... but a visual helps.

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Ask and you shall receive!
Also forgot to mention that my nodal axis is also almost perfectly conjunct my Asc/Dsc. Not to sure about the significance of that though.

EDIT: Oops guess I was wrong about my POF. Its sitting right on my IC :J