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Topic: Persona Charts and Synastry
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Chiemi Knowflake Posts: 2110 From: Michigan Registered: Feb 2012
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posted April 07, 2014 08:50 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: Did you have Sun conjunct Moon in synastry?
I didn't have his exact TOB but I checked and regardless of the time of day he was born he's still a Virgo Moon and I'm a Virgo Sun (just might not have made an aspect though) IP: Logged |
ail221 Moderator Posts: 7043 From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon Registered: Feb 2012
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posted April 07, 2014 08:57 PM
Got bored gave this a whirl: natal to male venus: moon conjunct moon/asc venus conjunct mercury exact venus opp saturn exact venus opp uranus exact venus conjunct juno 2 venus conjunct chiron 4 saturn conjunct amor exact neptune opp valentine exact nn opp cupido 1 mercury opp mc exact juno conjunct pluto exact juno conjunct psyche exact eros/psyche conjunct jupiter exact amor conjunct sun exact amor opp amor 1 karma conjunct mars 1 asc conjunct jupiter exact mc opp cupido exactMy mars persona to his natal. Sun opp juno 1 Sun opp MC 1 i.e. conjunct ic 1 Venus opp neptune 1 mars opp valentine 3 Venus conjunct Chiron 3 pallas conjunct lust 1 juno opp pallas exact juno conjunct amor exact vesta conjunct psyche 1 vesta opp union exact valentine opp pluto 1 valentine conjunct karma 2 valentine conjunct Asc 1 amor opp eros exact cupido opp lust 2 karma opp kaali 1 union conjunct amor exact My Venus persona to his Mars persona Sun conjunct Chiron 1 Sun conjunct amor 2 Moon opp NN 2/ conjunct south node Venus conjunct Sun 4 Venus conjunct Mars 3 Venus conjunct MC EXACT Mars conjunct mars 2 mars conjunct mc 1 Jupiter conjunct sun 3 Jupiter conjunct mc exact Saturn opp sun 2 Saturn opp venus 2 vesta conjunct vesta 3 NN opp mercury 2 valentine opp sun exact valentine opp mc 3 lust conjunct pluto 2 lust conjunct asc 1 amor opp psyche 2 cupido conjunct chiron 2 asc conjunct mercury 1 asc conjunct karma 2 mc conjunct nn 1 Pholus conjunct Valentine exact His Eros Persona to My Psyche persona sun conjunct pholus 1 Sun conjunct valentine 2 Sun opp kaali exact venus conjunct vesta exact mars conjunct karma 3 nn opp lilith exact psyche conjunct amor 2 amor conjunct asc 3 lust conjunct pluto exact IP: Logged |
manderin Knowflake Posts: 429 From: New York, NY USA Registered: Nov 2013
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posted April 07, 2014 09:33 PM
I don't know what a persona chart is. First I'm hearing of it. Will have to do some homework on it at some point.But since people here seem to be familiar with it, can someone do a persona chart for the relationship beteeen Warren Beatty & Annette Bening? Their synastry is a bit strange so it'd be interesting to see the persona chart view of them. They've been married for two two decades and have 4 children together. Annette's birthtime isn't known, but I'm not sure how much that matters for persona charts. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29280 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 07, 2014 11:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by manderin:
But since people here seem to be familiar with it, can someone do a persona chart for the relationship beteeen Warren Beatty & Annette Bening? Their synastry is a bit strange so it'd be interesting to see the persona chart view of them.They've been married for two two decades and have 4 children together. Annette's birthtime isn't known, but I'm not sure how much that matters for persona charts.
Just on a very cursory look. in their Venus Persona comparision she may have her Moon on his DESC (Karma is conjunct hisDESC at 3 degrees too). Also his Mars opposite her Venus. His Moon conjunct her VALENTINE IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29280 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 08, 2014 02:35 AM
Actually I think that my Venus Persona chart is more triggered by Jude law`s natal than Mr Sag´s chart. Couldn`t help but notice  in my VP I have ASC on 16 Sag, the DESC exactly on my KARMA - and conjunct JL`s Saturn; my VP also conj. his Venus.
in my VP I have an exact conjunction of Sun and VESTA (yes I know ), falling right onto Jude`s Sun (opp. his Valentine). my VP Venus on 18 Cap, not only opposes my own natal Saturn, but conjuncts his Jupiter-NN-DESTINN-conjunction in natal. my VP Mars on 12 Sag connjuncts his 13 degree Venus. and actually his ASC on 9 Sag as well. As I said just a cursory glance. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18203 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted April 08, 2014 05:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by vickymadness:
I think we should do other things beside that.
Such as?  IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29280 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 08, 2014 05:30 AM
I think we are all in total agreement that first of the natals have to be thoroughly analysed. Goes without saying, doesn´t it?  IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18203 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted April 08, 2014 05:38 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Actually I think that my Venus Persona chart is more triggered by Jude law`s natal than Mr Sag´s chart. Couldn`t help but notice  in my VP I have ASC on 16 Sag, the DESC exactly on my KARMA - and conjunct JL`s Saturn; my VP also conj. his Venus.
in my VP I have an exact conjunction of Sun and VESTA (yes I know ), falling right onto Jude`s Sun (opp. his Valentine). my VP Venus on 18 Cap, not only opposes my own natal Saturn, but conjuncts his Jupiter-NN-DESTINN-conjunction in natal. my VP Mars on 12 Sag connjuncts his 13 degree Venus. and actually his ASC on 9 Sag as well. As I said just a cursory glance.
I wonder if Vesta plays such a major role for you because it is near your Sun like your defining asteroid. It is really interesting how it pops up everywhere. Or maybe you are attracted to these men specifically because they trigger your Vesta. Anyway, the more you check various charts, the more you find a theme, and this goes on for everybody. I am fascinated how things fall into place in astrology, like there really is a map of our soul in the sky. Reality is congruent at every level. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18203 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted April 08, 2014 06:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by ail221: Got bored gave this a whirl: natal to male venus: moon conjunct moon/asc venus conjunct mercury exact venus opp saturn exact venus opp uranus exact venus conjunct juno 2 venus conjunct chiron 4 saturn conjunct amor exact neptune opp valentine exact nn opp cupido 1 mercury opp mc exact juno conjunct pluto exact juno conjunct psyche exact eros/psyche conjunct jupiter exact amor conjunct sun exact amor opp amor 1 karma conjunct mars 1 asc conjunct jupiter exact mc opp cupido exactMy mars persona to his natal. Sun opp juno 1 Sun opp MC 1 i.e. conjunct ic 1 Venus opp neptune 1 mars opp valentine 3 Venus conjunct Chiron 3 pallas conjunct lust 1 juno opp pallas exact juno conjunct amor exact vesta conjunct psyche 1 vesta opp union exact valentine opp pluto 1 valentine conjunct karma 2 valentine conjunct Asc 1 amor opp eros exact cupido opp lust 2 karma opp kaali 1 union conjunct amor exact My Venus persona to his Mars persona Sun conjunct Chiron 1 Sun conjunct amor 2 Moon opp NN 2/ conjunct south node Venus conjunct Sun 4 Venus conjunct Mars 3 Venus conjunct MC EXACT Mars conjunct mars 2 mars conjunct mc 1 Jupiter conjunct sun 3 Jupiter conjunct mc exact Saturn opp sun 2 Saturn opp venus 2 vesta conjunct vesta 3 NN opp mercury 2 valentine opp sun exact valentine opp mc 3 lust conjunct pluto 2 lust conjunct asc 1 amor opp psyche 2 cupido conjunct chiron 2 asc conjunct mercury 1 asc conjunct karma 2 mc conjunct nn 1 Pholus conjunct Valentine exact His Eros Persona to My Psyche persona sun conjunct pholus 1 Sun conjunct valentine 2 Sun opp kaali exact venus conjunct vesta exact mars conjunct karma 3 nn opp lilith exact psyche conjunct amor 2 amor conjunct asc 3 lust conjunct pluto exact
Your mutual love ties and Yin/Yang energies seem pretty connected in a karmic manner.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29280 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 08, 2014 07:02 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: I wonder if Vesta plays such a major role for you because it is near your Sun like your defining asteroid. It is really interesting how it pops up everywhere.Or maybe you are attracted to these men specifically because they trigger your Vesta. Anyway, the more you check various charts, the more you find a theme, and this goes on for everybody. I am fascinated how things fall into place in astrology, like there really is a map of our soul in the sky. Reality is congruent at every level.
Yes, I agree about the themes (Juno-Eros seems a prevalent for me as well btw, at least in the Persona chart and coming up in the synastries) VESTA seems to be an important theme, too, definitely. Not sure if it is becuase of the closeness to Sun or being on the Ariespoint. It tends to get highlighted in synastries, that is true (also THEIR Vesta in relation to my chart). maybe the Persona chart is illuminating as to WHY. I mean probably it is not a coincidence that the Sun-VESTA conjunction happens in the Venus-Persona chart, and my Venus-persona seems to have quite a karmic theme (VP Venus in Cappy opposing Saturn in 7th; VP DESC conjunct n KARMA exact). VESTA seems to play especially a role in Venus-matters (love, attraction, and the like). Curiously though the Venus-Persona synastry is downright disappointing (with Mr Sag).
Nothing really worth of mentioning. The only thing I find important is that my VP Moon is on 24 Gemini in 7th house and opposes his natal Sun on almost 27 Sagittarius. (there is a lot of Sun/Moon conj. or opposition all through the persona charts I glanced at btw). IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29280 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 08, 2014 09:17 AM
His VP to my natal does not fare much bettermy ASC and Nn conjunct his Venus/Mars-mp my Sun conjunct his IC my VESTA conjunct his IC my JUNO opposite his Mars my VALENTINE conjunct his VALENTINE IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy Knowflake Posts: 9778 From: Death Star Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 08, 2014 09:21 AM
Never mind, figured it out.------------------ I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
ail221 Moderator Posts: 7043 From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon Registered: Feb 2012
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posted April 08, 2014 09:22 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: Your mutual love ties and Yin/Yang energies seem pretty connected in a karmic manner.
Indeed, it's kind of irritating in fact. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18203 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted April 08, 2014 09:22 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: His VP to my natal does not fare much bettermy ASC and Nn conjunct his Venus/Mars-mp my Sun conjunct his IC my VESTA conjunct his IC my JUNO opposite his Mars my VALENTINE conjunct his VALENTINE
What about checking Vesta Persona vs. natals? Or Vesta Vesta. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29280 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 08, 2014 09:30 AM
I just had the idea about VESTA. And oh boy  BTW I noticed that since I have an ISIS-OSIRIS-conjunction only 2 degrees off my Venus, there is an exact Sun-VESTA-conjunction in each of the persona charts. BTW in my VESTA Persona I have KARMA on my ASC on 14 Gemini exact. VESTA herself is conjunct Sun by 3 degrees IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18203 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted April 08, 2014 09:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by I'm so cappy: How do I check a particular persona chart? I only found an option that shows all the wheels in a small size. There are dates and times under. Should I make a chart for that moment?
There is also an option "Persona chart", under Nine Personas, where you get to choose the planets/asteroids. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29280 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 08, 2014 09:33 AM
i think for me personally I should check the VESTA, JUNO and possibly ISIS/OSIRIS charts.Oh and btw what does it mean if the Mars persona is strong? I find them to be. I will show you some results later. But a lot of angle-nodal-luminary action there IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18203 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted April 08, 2014 09:34 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Oh and btw what does it mean if the Mars persona is strong?
...as if you didn't know?  His Mars with your Mars? Or your natal Mars? IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy Knowflake Posts: 9778 From: Death Star Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 08, 2014 09:35 AM
What maximum orbs do you allow for conjunctions and oppositions?------------------ I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18203 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted April 08, 2014 09:38 AM
quote: Originally posted by I'm so cappy: What maximum orbs do you allow for conjunctions and oppositions?
I'd say 4-5, but if you have significant patterns or combinations or recurrent themes, you can allow more. It all depends on the visuals for me. I mean between major planets, angles. Tight for asteroids. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29280 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 08, 2014 09:39 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: ...as if you didn't know?  His Mars with your Mars? Or your natal Mars?
I am not completely sure. maybe something having to do with physical activity, and yes including sexual chemistry probably? Or am I reaching here? Could you have a look? IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18203 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted April 08, 2014 09:41 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: I am not completely sure. maybe something having to do with physical activity, and yes including sexual chemistry probably? Or am I reaching here? Could you have a look?
Yes, of course. First of all it would be sex, in a couple (Mars to Mars). Unless you are Kung Fu buddies  I can tell you so far for the Mars Personas I've seen hard aspects (squares/oppositions) mean a very sexual person. IP: Logged |
twinky Knowflake Posts: 70 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 08, 2014 09:44 AM
His Eros persona Chart Asc. and MC are exactly conjunct my ErosP.Chart Asc/Mc! Which are exactly conjunct to our Composite cusps.Does any comparison to the composite mean anything? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 29280 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 08, 2014 09:44 AM
using 3 degree orbs and only conj./ oppmy MaP-his MaP -------------- ASC conjunct Saturn MC conjunct Vertex exact Avx conjunct Saturn NN conjunct ASC-Uranus Nn conjunct LUST (3) Sun conjunct VALENTINE exact Moon conjunct Saturn Venus conjunct Pluto Venus conjunct KARMA (his MaPPluto-KARMA conjuncts my n DNA exact) Mars conjunct Vx Mars conjunct Moon Uranus conjunct Mars-Union Pluto conjunct EROS-APHRODITE JUNO conjunct Sun VESTa opposite JUNO-Jupiter VALENTINE-EROS conjunct VALENTINE PSYCHE conjunct PSYCHE my MaP - his natal -------------------- ASC conjunct Vertex-APHRODITE (Saturn) Vertex conjunct Antivertex NN conjunct Uranus
Moon conjunct DESC-Vertex-APHRODITE Moon conjunct Saturn Venus conjunct Pluto Mars conjunct IC exact Mars opposite Sun-Moon Uranus opposite VESTA JUNO conjunct Jupiter (and Mars-AMOR) Eros/Psyche-mp conjunct ASC my natal - his MaP ------------------ ASC conjunct VALENTINE MC conjunct Sun/Moon-mp Moon conjunct SN Mars conjunct VALENTINE exact Jupiter conjunct IC Jupiter opposite Sun exact Uranus conjunct Mars-UNION Pluto conjunct EROS Pluto conjunct Sun/Moon-mp Chiron opposite KARMA KARMA opposite PSYCHE JUNO opposite Jupiter-JUNO VESTA conjunct Antivertex exact AMOR conjunct Mars LUST conjunct Mars APHRODITE conjunct EROS-APHRODITE IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy Knowflake Posts: 9778 From: Death Star Registered: Nov 2012
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posted April 08, 2014 09:46 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: I'd say 4-5, but if you have significant patterns or combinations or recurrent themes, you can allow more. It all depends on the visuals for me. I mean between major planets, angles. Tight for asteroids.
Thanks. I forgot to ask - both when it comes to n-p and p-p comparisons?
------------------ I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |