posted May 01, 2014 05:42 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
This is my Union chart with those 29 deg.: Sun Moon POF ASC/DSC.

Interestingly, his natal DSC at 28-29 Pisces.

Ceri, what do you think about this 29 deg. business?

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Oh I love that image! That geometry, that connection.

Ah the 29 degree business, for me it breathes the feeling of wrapping up things and head for a new path, a new cycle.
You have reached the finishing line, not yet starting a new cycle, but preparing for it. Things will be finished, wrapped up, maybe actualized one last time to work with tzhem and then after that it means embarking on a new journey.
Like you are in the phase of graduating somehow (in terms of the planets and signs and houses involved). But also, 29 Pisces is the most important step, and I think there is some nasty fixed star attached to it, Sheat.
It might feel very demanding, the job is not easy, the last hercules-feat to undertake and master. This is cause the stakes are so high and this is the final step.

posted May 01, 2014 05:46 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
This is my Union chart with those 29 deg.: Sun Moon POF ASC/DSC.

Interestingly, his natal DSC at 28-29 Pisces.

Ceri, what do you think about this 29 deg. business?

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Have you been hit quite hard by the transiting grand cross? Or felt it very intensely?

The symmetry line is going through 14 Cancer-Capricorn, near Saturn, yes.

Also I think the emphasis is on the Moon/POF (if we count POF in symmetry) and the Chiron/Union probably.

It makes me think of healing made possible by emotional openess and vulnerability. Of course to accomplish that you probably will have to work through some previous wounding and maybe an outsider-feeling, like you donīt quite belong to where you stand in life right now (Chiron can be a bit of a Maverick).
A union that needs to tread a new, maybe unconventional path.

posted May 01, 2014 07:24 AM            

I thought about checking the Sabians for the midpoints of the configuration, 15 Cancer-Cap - actually it should be 14 Cancer-Cap, but thinking the idea is to move to 0, hence 15, I checked both and guess what? They are so fit! with each other and the story. (BTW, my own Saturn 16 Cancer, ASC/DSC 19 Cap/cancer)

14 Cancer- Cap

Cancer 14. A very old man facing a vast dark space to the northeast.
Capricorn 14. An ancient bas-relief carved in granite.

both pointing to a story having started a long time ago, approaching fruition,completion, the end of a cycle, also an ancient story, old souls lol.

15 Cancer-Cap

Cancer 15. A group of people who have overeaten and enjoyed it.
Capricorn 15. Many toys in a children’s ward of a hospital.

both about abundance, harvest, celebration.

I find them amazing.

I also thought about folding the chart on this middle axis, as Tulipe taught me , in combination with natals and his Union chart, on those degrees. I have:

My U Sun/Union/his natal ASC/Valentine/Lust/his U POF (5) conjunct our U DSC

My U ASC/Uranus/Valentine/Lust/his U Vesta/his natal Uranus conjunct his natal DSC

My U Moon/his natal IC conjunct my U POF/his natal POF (4)

So I've discovered this Union configuration of mine "catches" both his natal angles and interconnects POFs.

posted May 01, 2014 07:30 AM            

It makes me think of healing made possible by emotional openess and vulnerability. Of course to accomplish that you probably will have to work through some previous wounding and maybe an outsider-feeling, like you donīt quite belong to where you stand in life right now (Chiron can be a bit of a Maverick).
A union that needs to tread a new, maybe unconventional path.

I was just doing that lol you inspire me, Ceri.

The cross hit us hard, yes, I mean we had like a very revealing episode in our relationship, still going through it.

Thanks a lot about that Chiron idea, I'll think about it, great insight, Ceri! Chiron is very important in our synastry, my Chiron forms a yod with his quindecile Sun/Pluto in natal, interconnected with another his Sun/Pluto my Venus quindecile Yod.

posted May 01, 2014 09:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
What do you mean with folding the chart?
Like a Draco chart, just with 15 Cancer instead of 00 Aries as reference-point?
Or looking which planets fall on these degrees?

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No, Tulipe had the brilliant idea of this technique of folding a chart which has a symmetrical axis, like a piece of paper on that axis, in this case folding the chart on 15 cancer/Cap, as if making a paper plane, and you do find amazing superpositions, usually repetitive themes with other charts. For example, by folding our composite chart which is also symmetrical on an angle, Mars superposed with Pluto, and we have Mars/Pluto conjunction in synastry etc.

posted May 01, 2014 09:54 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
No, Tulipe had the brilliant idea of this technique of folding a chart which has a symmetrical axis, like a piece of paper on that axis, in this case folding the chart on 15 cancer/Cap, as if making a paper plane, and you do find amazing superpositions, usually repetitive themes with other charts. For example, by folding our composite chart which is also symmetrical on an angle, Mars superposed with Pluto, and we have Mars/Pluto conjunction in synastry etc.

It makes sense to me because in the case of a symmetrical axis, it would act like a driving force, turning bi-dimensional into three-dimensional, making things happen.

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Ah like a solstice-antision-chart, just not folding across 00 Cardinal but the symmetrical axis?

posted May 01, 2014 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Ah like a solstice-antision-chart, just not folding across 00 Cardinal but the symmetrical axis?

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posted May 01, 2014 09:59 AM            

But I do a bit now.

So, how important are the angles in a MOON persona chart?

Well, the universe throws me again back at the angles as I have denied them for too long I guess.

Moon persona to Moon persona angle stuff;

ASCENDANT;
his - 29'06 Virgo
my - 26'06 Pisces

MC;
his - 28'50 Gem
my - 28'33 Sag

VERTEX;
his - 27'54 Pisces
my - 28'43 Virgo

EAST POINT;
his - 28'36 Virgo
my - 28'17 Pisces

But that's the only outstanding thing in this moon chart comparison.

Ow yea ofcourse.. one more... an exact DW Venus/Jupiter TRINE within 1 both. Which makes both our moon-persona Jupiter/Venus midpoints line up in an opposition.

posted May 01, 2014 10:01 AM            

in my composite with Mr Sag, there is a Thor`s Hammer with a Moon-Mars-square at base, sesisquare Jupiter on 10 Gemini. So the symmetrical line is through 10 Gemini.

Our Union is at 29 Libra, our Moon at 22 Capricorn.
So Union is 139 off Jupiter, and Moon is 138 off Jupiter.

posted May 01, 2014 10:07 AM            

A cradle, consisting of Pluto- Saturn/Vesta-Neptune-Mercury/Jupiter

symmetry line is at 12-14 Virgo/Pisces (interesting, that is my ASC-DESC-ruler midpoint in my TF chart, with Uranus there).

And now I just have to check which midpoints are on that symmetry line.

Pluto/Saturn on 12 Virgo (29 degrees off it to either side)
Neptune/Mercury

Another symmetrical figure is made of a Yod of Neptune sextile Pluto, quinkunx the Venus-Mars-conjunction.

symmetry line at 12/ 13 Scorpio- Taurus.
Neptune/Pluto-mp at 12 Scorpio
and of course opposing Venus at 11 Taurus

posted May 01, 2014 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
example:

in my composite with Mr Sag, there is a Thor`s Hammer with a Moon-Mars-square at base, sesisquare Jupiter on 10 Gemini. So the symmetrical line is through 10 Gemini.

Our Union is at 29 Libra, our Moon at 22 Capricorn.
So Union is 139 off Jupiter, and Moon is 138 off Jupiter.

The Union/Moon-mp is 10 Sagittarius on the symmetry line. Something like that?

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posted May 01, 2014 10:13 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
OK a persona chart.
Didn't even know what it was...

But I do a bit now.

So, how important are the angles in a MOON persona chart?

Well, the universe throws me again back at the angles as I have denied them for too long I guess.

Moon persona to Moon persona angle stuff;

ASCENDANT;
his - 29'06 Virgo
my - 26'06 Pisces

MC;
his - 28'50 Gem
my - 28'33 Sag

VERTEX;
his - 27'54 Pisces
my - 28'43 Virgo

EAST POINT;
his - 28'36 Virgo
my - 28'17 Pisces

But that's the only outstanding thing in this moon chart comparison.

Ow yea ofcourse.. one more... an exact DW Venus/Jupiter TRINE within 1 both. Which makes both our moon-persona Jupiter/Venus midpoints line up in an opposition.

(I Always look for midpoint alignments and all that kind of symmetrie resonances)

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Interesting superposition of angles, pointing to soulmates.

I would check his Moon Persona against your natal, for an anima/animus merging.

posted May 01, 2014 10:27 AM            

ohh that seems interesting:

composite ASC - composite NN/Amor/Cupido exact

Seems even more interesting with his natal Pluto on composite NN-Amor-Cupido

posted May 01, 2014 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hi, Morph, he definitely is or will be in love with you! You too I also see obsession here

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Thanks! Well, this is "TF" again. I did an Amor/Valentine and got similar results with all the angles lined up, and similar planetary aspects (don't remember them at the moment). I did Valentine/Pluto too, since we also have that one in synastry.

Actually, it's his Pluto that hits my Grand Trine: Valentine @ 0 Vir 20 , Amor @ 1 Tau 56, and Neptune @ 1 Cap 03. My Valentine also sextiles my Pluto @ 0 Sco 12, and Juno @ 29 Gem 35. His Valentine sits on his Vertex @ 20 Vir. My Moon about 3 degrees away sitting right on his Ceres (along with my IC), between his Vertex/Valentine on one side and his DC and Sun-Juno on the other (though the orbs are wide). His Moon sits exactly on my MC, opposite my Moon.

LoL @ the obsession part...

Also, I did those other persona comparisons (Moon/Saturn, Venus/Saturn, Venus/Uranus etc.) because we have those aspects both natally and in synastry. They're some of the deeper aspects, and I thought they'd be worth looking at. I'm still picking through the other charts.

I definitely want to go back and do comparisons of some of those planets/asteroids that are at wider orbs too (would be considered out of aspect, yet still close), as they still happen to be sitting at key points (making at least one direct contact, and being part of a configuration), so I'm curious to see what shows up in a persona chart between those as well.

posted May 02, 2014 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Nicely said, vintagesoul. Take one day at a time and show him what you like to do with him.

I'll do one more for you, if you like: Juno/Juno composite, to see what kind of partnership you have.

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Thanks Leeloo, I'll take heed with my intentions and direction in being as fully cognizant (as possible) in moving this partnership. Here's the juno/juno composite. Something unusual occurred as well the other morning. I had been having this work related idea for months and something compelled me to tell him how I could use his area of expertise (without really knowing his interests and goals for his future) to benefit a targeted population within the community, anyhow, he's interested, said he had been trying to do something similar but didn't have someone to research, do the preliminary work. I don't know.. I guess I'll just let the rest of it come to me the same as the initial thought entered my mind.

Hope your day is going well.

posted May 07, 2014 08:01 AM            

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Originally posted by vintagesoul:
Thanks Leeloo, I'll take heed with my intentions and direction in being as fully cognizant (as possible) in moving this partnership. Here's the juno/juno composite. Something unusual occurred as well the other morning. I had been having this work related idea for months and something compelled me to tell him how I could use his area of expertise (without really knowing his interests and goals for his future) to benefit a targeted population within the community, anyhow, he's interested, said he had been trying to do something similar but didn't have someone to research, do the preliminary work. I don't know.. I guess I'll just let the rest of it come to me the same as the initial thought entered my mind.

Hope your day is going well.

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posted May 07, 2014 08:13 AM            

Then one can try Karma, Destinn maybe Moira Personas.

What do you think Vertex Persona stands for? What are your ideas? My Vertex Persona is off the charts!!

A your NN/your natal comparison is very interesting, already looked at some. It shows the manner in which you follow and attain your destiny, your life lessons in this life.

Obviously, for the purposes of our Persona comparisons in synastry, one can compare NN persona with the other's natal to see how strong the ties are between their destiny, how the other helps you achieve it and NN vs. NN to see how interwined your life paths are.

One thing we kind of overlooked: the house overlay in Persona Persona and Persona/natal comparisons; but they are very telling regarding the aspect of life or of that Persona the other is most likely to influence. For example, natal Sun falling in the other Persona 10th house, major influence of the Sun on how the other brings that Persona into the world. Or ASC of a Persona falling in a natal 11th house: the way that person expresses his Persona has an impact on your group/social life etc.

This is my NN Persona; Moon exactly on my natal Sun, ASC on my natal Venus (3 deg.). What do you see?

posted May 07, 2014 03:35 PM            

That is actually what I first noticed, how we both have that stellium around IC, and at appr. the same spot!

posted May 07, 2014 03:35 PM            

That is actually what I first noticed, how we both have that stellium around IC, and at appr. the same spot!