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Tulipe
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posted May 28, 2014 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thanks, lovebird. I hope there's some poetry in there too, because Mr. Pluto writes poetry hehehe


Now I want to read your Sabian story (with Tulipe-input)


Aw, so sweet. It suits his Venus Pisces ASC.

I almost finish my sabian story, hehe. I'll post it tonight. Stay tune for the movie .

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posted May 28, 2014 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lunae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

awww Lunae, don't be sad...you have Sun (Venus) conjunct Karma...and Psyche nearby: you're bound to live a wonderful fateful love in this life


Haha I'm not crying.. but thank you Leeloo <3 I'm not looking for it right now. I'm just enjoying every moment haha

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posted May 28, 2014 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lunae:

Haha I'm not crying.. but thank you Leeloo <3 I'm not looking for it right now. I'm just enjoying every moment haha

Good idea!

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posted May 28, 2014 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't want to start a new thread as there was already one but I've been playing around with persona charts and found some rather disturbing aspects..
So I have a few questions:

Has any of you compared Node persona chart to natal? How would you interpret those?

Do you look at the draconic persona chart ? I am fascinated by draconic charts and find persona charts intriguing so I thought why not look at the draco persona?! and I found some very interesting results.. So if any of you has played around with those, do you have some idea on what it could represent?

And last but not least.. I compared the draco true node persona charts of two persons .. Am I going too far with this?

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posted May 28, 2014 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ueharaa:
I didn't want to start a new thread as there was already one but I've been playing around with persona charts and found some rather disturbing aspects..
So I have a few questions:

Has any of view compared Node persona chart to natal? How would you interpret those?

Do you look at the draconic persona chart ? I am fascinated by draconic charts and find persona charts intriguing so I thought why not look at the draco persona?! and I found some very interesting results.. So if any of you has played around with those, do you have some idea on what it could represent?

And last but not least.. I compared the draco true node persona charts of two persons .. Am I going too far with this?


Hi,

We've played with NN and natal and it is a very revealing comparison. You have to look through the thread, I think it's among the second half of it, there are interpretation clues and examples in there. I emphasized a lot the house overlays in such a comparison, one can see how to follow his NN star based on the natal aspects and NN natal overlays and viceversa. Also, how someone influences your NN by putting planets in your NN houses - it shows a lot what role he/she plays in your life.

I haven't played with Draco yet but I think it's a good idea if we are talking about NN Persona.

You can post the charts you find interesting here and we can discuss.

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posted May 28, 2014 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hi,

We've played with NN and natal and it is a very revealing comparison. You have to look through the thread, I think it's among the second half of it, there are interpretation clues and examples in there. I emphasized a lot the house overlays in such a comparison, one can see how to follow his NN star based on the natal aspects and NN natal overlays and viceversa. Also, how someone influences your NN by putting planets in your NN houses - it shows a lot what role he/she plays in your life.

I haven't played with Draco yet but I think it's a good idea if we are talking about NN Persona.

You can post the charts you find interesting here and we can discuss.


thank you for your answer.
Yes you're right you already had treated the question of NN persona to natal. I saw you read it in terms of house overlays. What about the aspects? Do they make less sense somehow?
I admit I looked up the draco comparison each time so I ended up with a lot of charts. But I feel like maybe this is taking things a bit too far, and thus losing some of its original meaning... ?
I will certainly come back and post some of these when I can.

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posted May 28, 2014 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tulipe, where's our Queen hiding?

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posted May 28, 2014 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ueharaa:
thank you for your answer.
Yes you're right you already had treated the question of NN persona to natal. I saw you read it in terms of house overlays. What about the aspects? Do they make less sense somehow?
I admit I looked up the draco comparison each time so I ended up with a lot of charts. But I feel like maybe this is taking things a bit too far, and thus losing some of its original meaning... ?
I will certainly come back and post some of these when I can.

Oh, I see what you mean, lol there are so many charts to check and compare. I suggest you post NN to natal first, it should be quite revealing by itself.

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posted May 28, 2014 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes you're right I have the bad tendency to draw all the charts and then feel lost as to what to do with all of them ...
so this is what I got for the Natal to NN:
My natal his NN ( i am the blue one)

My NN his natal (again i am the blue one)

and the NN to NN ( i am on the inside)

My issue is: I don't know how to read them! I've drawn the Sn to natal and SN to SN and am not sure if I should read it as to how this person current situation influence what you've taken/mastered from your past.
The NN to natal would then enlighten how this person helps you grow?
The nodes are very karmic, tied in with the notion of fate.
Since the nodal axis is related to the moon and sun I also compared the NN to the moon persona charts which also gave interesting results.

And as far as the draco NN persona chart goes, well to be honest I am utterly fascinated by it but have no idea what it could represent.

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posted May 28, 2014 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I am going to read the whole thread before asking questions again but wow 40 pages ++ sure is a lot

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posted May 29, 2014 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, ready to dive into your destiny ueharaa

Wait...is this NN to the other's natal, or NN to your OWN natal?

Do I see you/his NN first chart/ your NN/his natal in second?

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posted May 29, 2014 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oops i am sorry, you're right i forgot to specify which is which and who is who. I rectified it in the original post so it can help.
By the way thank you for taking a look at it. I am clueless as to how to read those considering it'as all new for me

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posted May 29, 2014 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How I approach things:

how you fit into his destiny (SN/NN) path

first glance: I see you have DSC conjunct his NN in synastry, close, why bother then?? it is such a strong aspect hahaha ok proceed

another first glance: stellium on stellium, Sun Moon DW, with Sun conjunct Moon no less, AND Moon trine Moon Venus/Mars DW: it appears to be Venus semisextile Mars (check orb) with Venus Mars wide in Sag (probably 10), but in this case, with both planets on his NN MC and Mars ruling MC for you, definitely valid; NN conjunct NN ASC; Sun conjunct NN. I bet asteroids conjunct all over the place Case closed! Why do you bother anyway?? lol

OK we proceed, just for the fun of it:

I'll just do the overlays, but for each overlay, you look at the aspects too, to understand details about the overlay. Your ASC falls into his NN 6th house: have you met through work? or maybe you will influence him a lot in work/health/6th house department. Your stellium falls into his NN 11th house and your DSC other stellium into his 12th - so here we have strong soulmate or even twinflame vibe - true companions (his NN 11th house shows this part of his destiny) plus the meanings of the 12th house in your case (is it a deep soulmate relationship? spiritual? a secret one? With your Moon Mercury Venus you bring unconditional love and knowledge, intuitive and rational - you emphasize this part of his destiny, his 12th house, where his Sun/NN actually is, you bring love, understanding and support there. But his Saturn is there, on your Venus - they say it could mean unrequited love. Is he rejecting this influence you bring on his 12th house side? Or perhaps yours is a strong, enduring bond.
Your Jupiter opposing his Mars, near his SN falls into his NN 5th house: the 5th house part of his destiny, bringing a reward there, from the past, possibly due to his actions. With you, he gets the reward for his actual concrete actions.
Your Mars falls on his MC, so in combination with he 6th house ASC could mean you stimulate him in his career or public recognition through love and hard work (sextile with Venus/Saturn).

I'll let you do the other one

In NN/NN the 11/12th theme is kept, with a nice Supportive triangle to the Moon/Pluto opposition which is like the backbone of your common destiny with a strong Vx/Avx superposition and an exact Moon/Vertex, a powerful aspect for a fateful meeting (especially in a NN chart) with the woman having a crucial supportive/decisive role.

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posted May 29, 2014 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course, you can always do the other way around, to see how someone's NN - life path - integrates into the other's natal (general incarnation/lessons/personality), specifically what role one's life direction plays into the other's general chart.

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posted May 29, 2014 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you leeloo2014 I like the way you analyze things and then put them together! It's really on point and enlightening.
Yes, in the tropical synastry, my asc conjucnt his south node with a less than 1 degree orb. Other very tight aspect include: his venus opposes my pluto, his sun square my neptune, my venus conjunct his saturn and my saturn trine his venus. Also my nodal axis square his venus pluto moon opposition.
I am not in a relationship with him but had a hard time just moving on. I don't know WHY I feel a strange sense of belonging with him that simply doesn't make sense at all. I think it's mostly karmic but still. You're right, I should have closed the case years ago but well I keep playing around with charts hoping I will finally understand why I met him

My idea with the persona chart was to get an inside vision of how a synastry aspect works. For example if you have a moon venus tight conjunction with someone in synastry but want to know what undertones there are to this apsect then comparing the moon persona chart to the Venus persona chart could give clues and help understand the aspect.
I'm still confused as to whether draw the draconic persona charts though I've found it really interesting so far.

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posted May 29, 2014 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ueharaa:

My idea with the persona chart was to get an inside vision of how a synastry aspect works. For example if you have a moon venus tight conjunction with someone in synastry but want to know what undertones there are to this apsect then comparing the moon persona chart to the Venus persona chart could give clues and help understand the aspect.
I'm still confused as to whether draw the draconic persona charts though I've found it really interesting so far.



Yes, exactly, you can definitely do that, IMO, to understand more abut how such a conjunction plays out or any other aspect that interest you.

For example, my person of interest has a pivotal intercepted Saturn sitting on his MC crossing the other angles, waiting to be triggered. I did a comparison his Saturn persona/my natal to understand how and if I can help him trigger his configuration. I also did a my Mars persona/his Saturn persona comparison since we have a close Mars/Saturn square in synastry and me, a pivotal Mars, to understand more about how this could play out.


About Draco...I would use Draco and Persons mostly with the predictive and karmic elements, such as NN persona, MC Persona maybe Karma Persona etc. But of course, you can try to apply it to any planet that has a karmic, fated significance for you. I think it's best to keep Draco in comparisons where we want to find out about things related to Draco significance: destiny, past/future evolution etc.

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posted May 29, 2014 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW, I think there is a possibility you'll meet again, ueharaa

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posted May 30, 2014 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It does explain a lot about inner forces at work when you compare the persona chart of planets already involved in an aspect.
As for the draconic charts well, I guess I see persona charts as the story of the planet in question. It's a closer, more detailed look at how this planet function and it is honestly very revealing !
Since draconic chart to me are more like the cumulative experience that lead you here and where you're going from there on. I think I see the draco persona as a draconic chart but applied to that planet alone.

I don't know if any of you have looked into these synastry wise but I have found them to be just very spot on.

either way, I am completely sold out on the concept of persona chart. I believe they can be used a a way to garner much more understanding on how to people relate to each other. Even the pluto chart is spot on in a
scary way (I had thought that since pluto was a slow moving planet it wouldn't be significant, was I wrong!)

And as for him, I don't think I'll meet him again, and it shouldn't matter. It is an intriguing case though

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posted June 07, 2014 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm in the mood for some composite Persona charts. Who wants to join me?

First: The Moon: our common soulship (to borrow Indigo's term, thank you, Indigo!), the emotional undercurrent between us, our emotional life together, the blending of our needs, our feelings, our emotional nature.

Of course, an interesting comparison would be with the natals, which I intend to do.

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posted June 07, 2014 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It doesn't look like your Moon persona.

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posted June 07, 2014 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, Cappyrizza

It's our Composite Moon Persona - mine and his

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Oops, I missed that word.

I like the upper half and Alma on IC, sweet. And you have an interesting yod. With the Sun as the release point, right? What do you think it means? The ASC on my Vertex, you're gonna be mine anyway

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Cappyrizza

Cappyrizza? Is this a mix of cappy, cinderella and pizza?

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Oops, I missed that word.

I like the upper half and Alma on IC, sweet. And you have an interesting yod. With the Sun as the release point, right? What do you think it means? The ASC on my Vertex, you're gonna be mine anyway

[QUOTE]Cappyrizza



Cappyrizza? Is this a mix of cappy, cinderella and pizza?

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LOL that's so brilliant....Cappy Cinderela and Pizza! three of my fav things

Yummy I'm so in the mood for pizza now, mean Cappy


Being a Yod, I think it means....this soul union of ours has its own time....it will happen and it looks good, but it has its own time...it's also very surprising, exhilarating and so...New Age lol with that Uranus and Vertex.

I'll explore this more, but in the mean time, would you do ours with the asteroids of your choice? (The ones you would like between us)

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posted June 07, 2014 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's wrong with the other half? Moon disposits Saturn, that's not bad for a Moon Persona

Saturn rules the 12th. It's a more spiritual, karmic Saturn, with its meaning of "fate".

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posted June 07, 2014 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'll explore this more, but in the mean time, would you do ours with the asteroids of your choice? (The ones you would like between us)

Our Moon persona? Yeah, I can post it.

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What's wrong with the other half? Moon disposits Saturn, that's not bad for a Moon Persona


Nothing, I just like the other half more.

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