posted March 23, 2014 06:24 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
T-Gem,

yes, I think you are pretty on target

Let me look at the exact degrees (btw your VALENTINE is on my name asteroid in my chart ).

PSYCHE 16.49 Libra (2nd house)
NN 17°15 Libra

Neptune 16.27 Sag (4th house)

VALENTINE 16.32 Taurus (9th house)

As you can see it is a very precise Yod, therefore of utmost significance.

But let`s have a look at the midpoints.

PSYCHE/Neptune 16.38 Scorpio
NN/Neptne 16.51 Scorpio

This is a very soft and gentle aspectfigure. Despite the Sabian that tells us that you are oppressed from certain sides and that countering that obstacle is part of your destined path and evolutionary direction together in this life (NN-Sabian), you counter that oppression in a gentle tender way, as you are very much in tune with each other. Psyche on the NN also speaks of the need to tune into the soul-ful side of the connection and place emphasis there (this is not really about lusty fierce attraction, but a soulful intuitive one).
Having this exact Psyche-Neptune-sextile even enhances that theme, adding a very psychic and spiritual note to it.
Of course Neptune`s Sabian emphasizes the spiritual side even more. And also the promise of spiritual resurrection.

So this harmonious, idealistic, gentle and intuitive spiritual connection between you two pours all its energy into VALENTINE in Taurus. So it would be expressed in a sensual romantic loving way, and this lovingness of Valentine contains all the intuitive gentleness your Psyche-Neptune-sextile speaks of.

The Sabian of Valentine however also sais that you will have to and are willing to fight for your love. This is not a tame Sabian. And you need to make a decision, and basically i think it asks you to always "take the high road". Swords and torches I think represent weapons of the mind as opposed to more archaic instinctive ones.

In helio composite Neptune is still targeted, but that is because the outers do not change that much, which btw might be a reason why they are "agents of spiritual transformation" into our physical existence. It is like they are carrying something from the helio perspective right into our earthly one.

this Yod of yours,w hich speaks of what is manifesting on the physical level in this incarnation, does dock to helio APHRODITE on 16.40 Aries (this one is exact)and ATROPOS on 18.05 Scorpio

so this means that helio APHRODITE falls onto your tropical SN and oppose your tropical PSYCHE (opposition and conjunction are the only conditions I consider in this respect and only those who are tight - 2 degrees tops, bettr yet if exact)

and helio ATROPOS opposes tropical VALENTINE

There seems to be a strong magnetism (Aphrodite) stemming from a past life and this IS Inbuilt in your spritual connection. However, since helio Aphrodite is conjunct the SN I think it means that you have to go BEYOND this and express it in gentler more loving and compassionate ways, but without denying the existence of the underlying attraction and magnetism. You have to find a way to balance both!

The Sabian of APHRODITE is puzzling

"Two Dignified Spinsters Sitting In Silence"

Maybe it means that the chemistry is unspoken but nonverbally well understood.

And then there is tropoical VALENTINE opposite helio ATROPOS.
This made me laugh, well, almost, for the literal translation jumping into my mind: "romantic love (Valentine) is unavoidable (Atropos)"

Atropos is a puzzling one, as it also relates to how things end, but I tentatively interprete it from the literal meaning of a-tropos. A means a negation, un-. tropos has to do with something turning a turning point.
it is something that can´t be turned away.
So the experience of love is definitely part of your spiritual relationship-script.

---

Oh thank you Ceri!!! So I was sort of right? I am intrigued by that Aphrodite opposite Atropos in tropical composite as well...

posted March 23, 2014 06:26 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Yeah, Fate and I actually 'spoke'. (Well, we texted.) He was angry I wasn't answering. So, I responded via text. He's been trying a lot harder lately.

We had a silly experience.

I was testing privacy levels, and needed anyone who could view certain posts to indicate so, easiest way being to Like them.

He responded, 'I will take no part in your Like test.'

His mere response was exactly what I needed. He just had to do it HIS way.

Sigh. Ridiculous. Of course, I just commented 'Thanks, Fate. '

Interesting we were all 'communicating' yesterday.

---

posted March 23, 2014 06:36 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL

You ask that N. OW? About THAT song? HIS song?

Seriouly, I JUST decided - apparently- to get into the fb-game. Why the heck not?
NOt a clue how htat really works, but I figured, since i don`t have friends (I mean fb-friends), I will just entertain myself. I started by uploading pics from the Noel Coward theatre in London, remembering the wonderful time I had there seeing Jude on stage.

Actually I had accidentally - again- pressed some button on Patrick`s site, that I will aprticipate in what concert ever, and I obvously don`t want it to be the sole activity on my facebook. Like my (fb) world is revolving ONLY around him

---

posted March 23, 2014 06:38 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by tgem:
I would tend to agree with this...having a strong sense of merging/union with a TF being slightly mistaken for a high sex drive...I think the Desire for union itself can be that strong.

Interesting thought Ceri about the Helio vs. geo composite and it being tragic if the Helio is so strong compared to the geo. would you consider Cusp and my Helio to be that way? Our Helio is mega concentrated compared to our geo, but we still have sun.moon in the 7th.

---

Oh I agree sevenfold. I wrote it wrong. Having a strong sex drive in FINDING your Twin Flame. Not wanting sex from your Twin Flame. Its more spiritual, way less sexual hands down. I agree Ceri and Indigo!

Yes I crave her to merge with her spiritual!

posted March 23, 2014 06:46 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by tgem:

Glad you and Fate "texted"

---

Well, he still hates me for existing. But he calls despite himself, and only doesn't call when he KNOWS there's no way I'm going to answer. Like now.

posted March 23, 2014 06:49 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by superman13:
Oh I agree sevenfold. I wrote it wrong. Having a strong sex drive in FINDING your Twin Flame. Not wanting sex from your Twin Flame. Its more spiritual, way less sexual hands down. I agree Ceri and Indigo!

Yes I crave her to merge with her spiritual!

I met her during my dark days. Lol she didn't cause it I am pretty sure of the that!

---

posted March 23, 2014 07:11 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Oh, I just have barely any sex drive in general. If there's a powerful soul connexion, then ... it whirrs into action. And I'd say there's definitely a VERY powerful drive to merge on EVERY level with Fate. I just do my best to fool myself into thinking otherwise. It's easier that way. Ahh, suppression. Sublimation. That's life.

---

posted March 23, 2014 07:14 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Well, he still hates me for existing. But he calls despite himself, and only doesn't call when he KNOWS there's no way I'm going to answer. Like now.

So ... that's ... good? I don't know anymore! My definitions of so many things keep changing.

---

is his name really Fate? Speaking of Fate I had a friend who wrote it down on paper just as she(TF) left the room. I asked him why he didnt really no... lol

posted March 23, 2014 07:22 PM            

Can we talk about ATROPOS?

Now that I see it's appearing in a configuration of tgem/Cusp's, I'd like to discuss it more thoroughly. It's VERY prominent in the synastry / composite with my costar, and nobody seems to have a very good understanding of it.

posted March 23, 2014 07:32 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Well, he still hates me for existing. But he calls despite himself, and only doesn't call when he KNOWS there's no way I'm going to answer. Like now.

So ... that's ... good? I don't know anymore! My definitions of so many things keep changing.

---

posted March 23, 2014 07:37 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by superman13:
is his name really Fate? Speaking of Fate I had a friend who wrote it down on paper just as she(TF) left the room. I asked him why he didnt really no... lol

---

posted March 23, 2014 07:38 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by tgem:
He doesn't hate you...TF's don't hate eachother...it's fear and anger...but not hate 💙💙

---

You know what I mean.

posted March 23, 2014 07:52 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Okay, I've GOT to ask.

Can we talk about ATROPOS?

Now that I see it's appearing in a configuration of tgem/Cusp's, I'd like to discuss it more thoroughly. It's VERY prominent in the synastry / composite with my costar, and nobody seems to have a very good understanding of it.

If we can start theorising on that, it'd be extremely elucidating to me. I can't quite find peace with 'maybe it's the inevitable' or 'maybe it's transformative' or 'maybe it's death-related' and so on.

---

Per Darkstar Astrology: " Her position in the birth chart shows how and where we bring our fate to it’s inevitable conclusion and how we cut the life thread when we experience endings, loss, closure and death.”[1]"

I'm in agreement with this definition but I can see this if there was a conjunction...like to Aphrodite in our composite I could see the romantic relationship being inevitable..but I don't understand how it plays out as an opposition ...

posted March 23, 2014 08:13 PM            

Some of these interconnexions with my costar are flabbergasting.

I've never looked at our Helio synastry before.

(We have a SUN-MOON conjunction in Draco, incidentally.)

Our H-AMOR are conjunct 2º.

22º-24º AQUARIUS.

AND ...

Our ALICEs are only 3º away! Also in AQU. (13º-16º). (Mine is tight enough to conjunct my T-SNODE and his LEWISCARROLL.)

Something else is there, too. His UNION (25º AQU).

But -

THIS is what made my :

09º GEM 18' | NESSUS
09º GEM 45' | MADHATTER

!!!

I removed all doubt for my husband today, regarding whether or not I was crazy by shouting, 'OH MY GOD IT'S IN HELIO?' Heh.

But, seriously!

Oh, and my H-MADHATTER on his T-KARMA-VENUS? DUH.

Why am I laughing? This isn't funny!

And this just about takes the cake.

05º VIR 12' | ATROPOS
05º PIS 19' | ATROPOS

How fitting is THAT? ATROPOS opposite ATROPOS in Helio.

And ...

06º VIR 59' | KARMA

IN HELIO.

I dunno why I was cool with it in Tropical, but Helio just feels SO much more ... 'soul plan'-oriented.

Thank God, we're not putting each other through this hell anymore, but ... wow!

It's interesting that TISIPHONE-CHIRON (0º40 conjunction) is just in the Tropical.

And the TISIPHONE-TISIPHONE parallel @ 32N.

Which STILL blows my mind. HOW is that friggin' possible? BOTH parallel - AT 32N. Well, whatever was trying to get my attention, got it!

My N-TR-ATROPOS (17º) is conjunct our C-TR JUNO-VALENTINE-MERCURY, too.

Ooooh. C-TR-ALMA is on 6º VIRGO. Weird ....

I can't say the reverberations aren't felt. They are. On a very deep level.

In our Tropical synastry, the picture had first become (obviously) clear to me:

Our ATROPOS are parallel.

His ATROPOS (03º ARI) is opposite my SATURN (02º LIB) and 7º off conjoining his own SATURN.

His ATROPOS and SATURN are in his 4H, and my 8H.

It's (ATROPOS) is also parallel my 8C.

My ATROPOS (as mentioned) is 5º off of my MADHATTER, the same distance from his PSYCHE, and square his (19º GEM) and almost square my PSYCHE (20º).

(Yeah, it's weird; we have DW PSYCHE-MADHATTER).

19º GEM 24' | MADHATTER
12º VIR 20' | PSYCHE

20º GEM 49' | PSYCHE
12º VIR 56' | MADHATTER

But it's the fact his 4H ATROPOS-SATURN is in my 8H parallel my CHIRON, (and his ATROPOS opposes my SATURN), with his SATURN exactly squaring my TISIPHONE which in turn conjuncts his 8H SUN (2º), and then HIS TISIPHONE is conjunct my CHIRON (0º40) that I really, really, REALLY started paying attention.

But, to WHAT, dear Liza, to what?

posted March 23, 2014 08:13 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
You know what I mean.

---

posted March 23, 2014 08:33 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by tgem:
Maybe this is where the whole mutual forgiveness and unconditional love comes in...someone's pride has to give in order to wipe the slate clean??!! I dunno..

---

posted March 23, 2014 08:38 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

Can we talk about ATROPOS?
...
If we can start theorising on that, it'd be extremely elucidating to me. I can't quite find peace with 'maybe it's the inevitable' or 'maybe it's transformative' or 'maybe it's death-related' and so on.

---

I can't contribute much now (hopefully later), except to comment on the "maybe it's death-related":

I once did a small, haphazard study of the 4 fate asteroids (Atropos, Lachesis, Moira, Klotho) and what they were doing in transit on the day of death in relation to natal charts. Mostly, what I can say (if you're affiliated with me; it didn't consistently hold up with famous people deaths) is that you may want to be very, very careful when Tr Lachesis aspects Vesta: several of the charts I looked at had it exactly conjunct, and most others had it in some aspect of 1 degree or less.

The surprising thing to me, until I thought about it more, was how even if it wasn't Lachesis aspecting Vesta, there almost always seems to be Saturn or one of the other 3 fate asteroids aspecting natal Vesta. That "living flame"/"sacred flame" thing we talked about earlier may have more of an impact than one would think.

EDIT: While tr Atropos showed up in the death charts, it didn't seem to play as big a role as the other fate asteroids. But that's gut level browsing, not an actual count of aspects.

posted March 23, 2014 10:34 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Delilah423:
I can't contribute much now (hopefully later), except to comment on the "maybe it's death-related":

I once did a small, haphazard study of the 4 fate asteroids (Atropos, Lachesis, Moira, Klotho) and what they were doing in transit on the day of death in relation to natal charts. Mostly, what I can say (if you're affiliated with me; it didn't consistently hold up with famous people deaths) is that you may want to be very, very careful when Tr Lachesis aspects Vesta: several of the charts I looked at had it exactly conjunct, and most others had it in some aspect of 1 degree or less.

The surprising thing to me, until I thought about it more, was how even if it wasn't Lachesis aspecting Vesta, there almost always seems to be Saturn or one of the other 3 fate asteroids aspecting natal Vesta. That "living flame"/"sacred flame" thing we talked about earlier may have more of an impact than one would think.

EDIT: While tr Atropos showed up in the death charts, it didn't seem to play as big a role as the other fate asteroids. But that's gut level browsing, not an actual count of aspects.

---

posted March 23, 2014 11:24 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Yeah. And how many times am I supposed to do that? Besides, until we can be honest with each other rather than hiding everything, it's so ... it's too hard.

---

posted March 23, 2014 11:29 PM            

New Guy wanted to see charts. So I emailed copies from astro to him. But I just realized when I followed that copy of a chart from MY email back to astro via the link, that I hadn't logged out. Which exposed the WHOLE INDEX of charts I've cast for Jace. At least twenty of them and some titled "astral" etc.

Can an astro chart emailed to SOMEBODY ELSE be a key into an astro account if that account user is still logged in?

I really wasn't prepared to deal with explaining all of this to him, at least not yet.

posted March 24, 2014 12:00 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Okay, I've GOT to ask.

Can we talk about ATROPOS?

Now that I see it's appearing in a configuration of tgem/Cusp's, I'd like to discuss it more thoroughly. It's VERY prominent in the synastry / composite with my costar, and nobody seems to have a very good understanding of it.

If we can start theorising on that, it'd be extremely elucidating to me. I can't quite find peace with 'maybe it's the inevitable' or 'maybe it's transformative' or 'maybe it's death-related' and so on.

---

We have:

Atropos @ 5 Vir in the Helio
(Saturn @ 4 Sag 1 and Jupiter @ 5 Sag 29)
His natal Sun hits that by a degree.

t-Synastry
His Klotho @ 10 Gem 34
His Dsc. @ 10 Vir
His Atropos @ 12 Vir 17
My Karma @ 11 Vir 38

My Atropos-Angel does aspect his Saturn-MC, but it's out of orb to his Karma (4 degrees away).

d-synastry
My Atropos-Angel conj. His Saturn-MC (1), opp His Unitas (0), squ. His Vertex-Valentine (1)

His Atropos trine My Destinn (<1)

d-Composite
Atropos conj. Karma (1) opp Mars (1), sxt Amor (23')

t-Composite
Atropos conj. Mars and Karma (<2), sxt Amor (22'), qux MC (<2).

posted March 24, 2014 12:21 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Hey, Morph - we've got KAALI-RUDRA in Helio, too, in Aquarius! 25º.

The ATLANTIS-REGULUS FM on 14 February hit it pretty hard. I was feeling the effects for DAYS.

I've noticed yours is 08º/09º. So, yes, I DO think the EARTH-MOON/ANGEL would be hitting it (between 10º/11º SAG, depending).

Hm. AQU-SAG. Anything to Yod it in GEM/CAN ... like ... maybe ... AMOR-UNITAS - 11º/12º GEM?

---

@ you and Ceri, that's cool! I'm still looking at our themes to see what else fits in here.

posted March 24, 2014 12:33 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by micole maree:
Popping in here to ask an emergency question. We had no internet here for two days and I've been burning up my phone battery talking to New Guy so I haven't been here. Once again, so much to catch up on. But I might have a situation.

New Guy wanted to see charts. So I emailed copies from astro to him. But I just realized when I followed that copy of a chart from MY email back to astro via the link, that I hadn't logged out. Which exposed the WHOLE INDEX of charts I've cast for Jace. At least twenty of them and some titled "astral" etc.

Can an astro chart emailed to SOMEBODY ELSE be a key into an astro account if that account user is still logged in?

I really wasn't prepared to deal with explaining all of this to him, at least not yet.

Do any of you know if I just shot myself in the foot?

---