posted January 31, 2014 08:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:

Thanks for looking.. I agree it's some type of SM relationship.
It was for sure obsessive.. Not to bad with power struggles.. Just more obsessive.

Neither of us has planets in our natal 12th house..
But we both have planets in each other's h12.

Mars opps the sun, wasn't really that bad, we didn't argue like you would think, we would get upset and then discuss it later once cooled down, so something was balancing it out..

Anyways, it's all said and done, in my eyes..
It was just not meant to be.

I checked composite Atlantis it's at 16 Taurus in h12
In synastry we have an exact siva/Parvati conjunction.
Which is right on the composite Juno.

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I know how that can be.

I have MARS conjunct SUN-PLUTO, with his MOON opposite. You'd think it'd be rife with combative energy, but we're 'too civilised' to allow for more unrestrained emotional energy to go bandying about. He's a fellow Vulcan. 😉

So, it all depends. But you definitely had potential for some knockdown-dragouts there. Being from the 12H, though, it seems very karmic in nature.

posted January 31, 2014 09:06 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
That's more likely. My Draco ASC is 20° ARIES, but then I'm in a leadership position, so it might speak instead to that.

I can see how Draconic ASC in relation to the GC would follow an Indigo pattern, however.

My Twin's Draco ASC is early SAG, same as my costar's. Heh. Well, that makes sense.

I do think there's a reason for your Draco ASC degrees to be around the GC. It has something to do with linking you.

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Yes it makes sence that your Arian-ness will give you that Indigo vibe!

posted January 31, 2014 09:08 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Crystal, the signs will change, but the aspects remain the same in Draco. So, that it'd be conjunct the ASC in both follows.

I am intrigued, though. Ceri pointed me to ATLANTIS awhile ago, and it's how I'm reconnecting with all of you. 😜

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posted January 31, 2014 09:22 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I know how that can be.

I have MARS conjunct SUN-PLUTO, with his MOON opposite. You'd think it'd be rife with combative energy, but we're 'too civilised' to allow for more unrestrained emotional energy to go bandying about. He's a fellow Vulcan. 😉

So, it all depends. But you definitely had potential for some knockdown-dragouts there. Being from the 12H, though, it seems very karmic in nature.

Do you feel it was balanced? I'm sorry that it didn't work out for you. Are you faring all right with it?

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Yeah.. I think the potential was there, for heavy fights...
We never once cussed at each other, or crossed the line in an argument..
It was mature disagreeing, in a way..

posted January 31, 2014 09:25 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Quick add:

Astro keen:

Was your (I'm sorry to hear presently brief) relationship romantic? NNODE conjunct VENUS has been a clear indicator of some form of romantic relationship being consummated however brief.

I could be wrong, but this is certainly my experience.

Perhaps even mere aspects between the two can jive to that. NNODE aspects in synastry certainly tend to denote 'direction' of some kind.

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As above and also exhausting and maddening - the long distance thing with few meetings was proving impossible. We still communicate, so how this will turn out is anyone's guess. To me, losing all contact would be akin to losing a life-line. However, that could be a common experience with many break ups. Could you say what you mean by 'direction"?

posted January 31, 2014 09:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Bluejay:

ETA: Well I checked a few charts, and Mars doesn't fit the same pattern. I think the average speed of Venus is pretty close to the speed of the sun, so maybe that factors in???

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I think this is the answer to Ceri's quest.
It also explains why an exact Sun/Venus conj in Composite stays conjunct in the progressed Composite for years and years.

Ceri,
My Composte has Atlantis at 27' Gemini, opposing the GS, but only loosely conjunct comp Moon at 20' Gemini. The comp Atlantis, however, conjuncts his batal Moon at 27'Gemini and my Karma.

posted February 01, 2014 12:09 AM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
are composite planets conjunct fixed stars important?

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posted February 01, 2014 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Asteroid Karma doesn't do much in our synastry, so I didn't include it in (though they are tightly square one another if that means anything).
But it makes sense to me why I see no major asteroid Karma links... I don't feel that we have any karma at all to be honest, it doesn't feel like unfinished business or lessons to be learned.
It does feel very destined, fated and "meant to be" though, I've experienced numerous crazy crazy coincidences with this guy... They were just too freaky and surreal, which made me hungry for answers.
I wanted to just know "WHY?!... WHY THIS?!... WHY HIM?!!!"
And that's how I first became interesting in astrology too because I wanted to know the reason for this connection and why I felt and experienced all that I did.
It does feel as if I have known him all along even though I never even talked to this man.
I guess the Vertex action in our synastry could explain this.

Here's some of the Vertex aspects we share

His Vertex conjunct my Descendant 0°
His Vertex parallel my Descendant 0°01
His Vertex square my NN 3°
His Vertex antiscia my NN 1°
His Vertex parallel my NN

My Vertex sextile his NN 0°
My Vertex contra-antiscia his Jupiter 1°
My Vertex antiscia his Saturn 2°
My Vertex parallel his Uranus
My Vertex parallel his Neptune

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Hi, Crystal:

As I'm reviewing everything now, I wanted to ask about something.

You say you've seen his videos because he's an artist, but you haven't spoken? Do you have a personal relationship with him?

Thanks!

posted February 01, 2014 01:45 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

I think 'Twinflame' is becoming too synonymous with a concept of be-all, end-all romantic love. Of passionate bonding for the purpose of procreation. This concerns me.

That has always seemed to me the territory of soul mates - which get an unfair thumbs-down in the single-minded pursuit of 'the twin flame'. Twinflames, to me, are simply too important to be mired in otherwise basic objectives. I can't reasonably fathom why any universal or spiritual intelligence would bother with directing or assisting individuals solely here to 'fall in love and procreate'. So, for me, it's NOT about romantic love, even if that CAN be an accompanying emotion. It's rather about sweeping changes, shifting consciousness, and ushering in new paradigms on a global, even transdimensional scale. Big, big stuff.

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Couldn't agree more. I'll be back another time to contribute more to this thread...hopefully.

posted February 01, 2014 02:24 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Oh man, as Indigo and Ceri both know, I could just go on and on about this subject as I have been studying it intensely for quite some time. Here's what I agree with as far as TwinFlames:

1. Yes, all TF's are graduate souls. Not everyone is a TF, however. (It has been verified by a bonefide TF that works with other TF relationships that I am a graduate soul TF.)

So....it has been verified multiple times to me that I am a TF (one vibrates at a completely different/higher energic vibration) and that I have found mine. I started my spiritual awakening soon after I met him.

Our synastry is crazy, including the ASC/VTX DW along with soooo many other ties. DW's all over the place, mirroring and complementing, relationship asteroids extremely prominent including conjunct name asteroids, it goes on ...

P.S. all the above information I have determined from both extensive research, interviews and personal experience. I also believe we all have our own soul path we must walk and I am not nearly at a place where I can say I am more evolved than anyone else or could prove/disprove another's TF vs. soulmate experiences as I am new to this as well. For the record, me and my supposed TF are not physically together and we will never be able to have children together.

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Hey, tgem.

Okay, there's a LOT here, so bear with me.

I'm intrigued most by your statements of verification. How on earth does one go about that? I certainly trust what IQ says here, but I'm not sure I was able to buy into 'bona fide Twinflame' declarations of ANY sort - until Mel and I realised that I was 'creating' the theory (or belief) they had regarding the graduate souls and their purpose - but as a fictional story, emerging from a dream several years ago, which was co-created by the man I've come to regard as my Twinflame - but only extremely recently, due to so much (too much, honestly) bizarre evidence that kept 'confirming' it.

Now it does certainly seem you and I are on the same page regarding our understanding of Twinflames, and both subscribe to the graduate model. Not to mention similar astrological linkages. (How concentrated is your composite?)

What I'm now asking most about is how you came upon means of confirming it for yourself?

That'd be the next step for me; right now, I've just allowed myself to progress with it, considering the absolutely eerie connexion between our project and the graduate theory. (There are even things that were never published that I 'knew' about.)

posted February 01, 2014 02:25 AM            

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Originally posted by MorpHnStorM:
Couldn't agree more. I'll be back another time to contribute more to this thread...hopefully.

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posted February 01, 2014 02:50 AM            

I'll ask for certain composites and synastries from several of you tomorrow. I'm definitely noticing some strong, repeating themes here. This is so helpful.

posted February 01, 2014 03:40 AM              

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Originally posted by Bluejay:
I think the reason that Venus stays pretty consistent in Davison and composite charts is because it only goes retrograde for about 5 to 6 weeks every 20 months. I think Mars only goes retrograde every 2 years, but the retrograde periods last longer, about 2 to 3 months. Is the same pattern shown with Mars?

ETA: Well I checked a few charts, and Mars doesn't fit the same pattern. I think the average speed of Venus is pretty close to the speed of the sun, so maybe that factors in???

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yeah I can see that. But it is not true for the tropical composite/ Davison. Why the helio?
Is it because there are no retrogrades?
But even then what is the mathematical-astronomical law behind it?

posted February 01, 2014 03:52 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Hah! I'm so glad you reposted that. I was trying to hunt it down awhile ago. I found it has tremendous insight.

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Thank you.

If I remember it right it was written during one of the "download-episodes", during a strong Pallas-transit. I occasionally have these, where I later on look onto whta I wrote wondering: Who on earth wrote that?

The thread about solstice points came about the same way.

BTW my natal Pallas is on 9.49 Aquarius exactly trine Pluto and sextile Neptune-NN-Atlantis.

Which brings me to another thing, if we assume that twinflames come here with a specific mission, especially raising the consciousness, extending the boundaries, wouldn´t it make sense if Uranus, Neptune, Pluto figured strongly with them?

I had been focusing on the helio composite, but I suppose it can be true for tropical, too, though maybe these energies are more difficult to smoothly incorporate than they are in helio.

Example:
My parents have in their helio composite Venus in Cancer conjunct Uranus.

Now scratch the notion, that Uranus is unreliable, unpredictable, on-and-off - not true in their case. But I do interprete the outers in helio slightly different anyway.

In their case I would interprete it as how their relationship and their love served to break up old thinking patterns in themselves and their environment and developing a deep care for those who are, at least mentally (Uranus is a mental planet after all) out of the norm. And their relationship would mostly focus on family and children. Either making this an instrument to break up these thought and behavioral patterns, or the caring extending to children and family especially (it is true, they were taking in my mom`s youngest sister, had a foster child withDown syndrome for a few weeks, and were nursing all three of my grandparents when they were dying).

of course there are probably different ways to interprete, but to me it made sense.

posted February 01, 2014 03:56 AM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
@Ceri-Do you think this aspect is significant?

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posted February 01, 2014 03:59 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

I am intrigued, though. Ceri pointed me to ATLANTIS awhile ago, and it's how I'm reconnecting with all of you. 😜

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I seem to always do that. Connecting through Atlantis.

posted February 01, 2014 04:01 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Okay. I figured since we're listing aspects, why not.

There's an updated one with a handful of other points, but I grabbed this off of an old thread.

This must've been before Ceri taught me about ATLANTIS. It's sandwiched between PLUTO, LUST, and SATURN. (Nice place, for ATLANTIS). 😝

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posted February 01, 2014 07:36 AM            

I have a strange set of circumstances with a guy that I have a connection with, know quite well having met a year ago and live locally to one another.

His solar return for his next birthday, has significant contacts with my natal.

His SR NN is exact to my natal MC by 10' (we are in complimentary professions)

His SR Moon is conjunct my natal Moon by 6*01' same house and sign

His SR Jupiter is in same sign and house as my natal Jupiter

His SR Venus is trine my final dispositor Mercury 0*01'

His SR Chiron is in same sign and house as my natal Chiron

His SR Uranus is trine my Mars 0*32'

His SR 9th house cusp is conjunct my natal Sun 0*22' (He was born O/S and retains a lot of his culture)

Looking at my current SR chart, my SR ASC opposes his final dispositor Uranus 0*24'

My SR Moon/Venus conjunction within 4 degrees includes his natal Pluto which is in exact opposition to his natal Moon

My SR Saturn/NN conjunction is conjunct his natal Juno all conjunct within 1*37', and my SR Mars square his Juno by 0*03'

My SR Neptune within his natal Mars/Mercury conjunction, all within 2*35'

My SR MC/Chiron quincunx his natal NN within 0*43', and my SR Uranus square his natal NN 0*38'

My SR Pluto square his natal Jupiter/Saturn all within 0*57'

His SR just finishing also had some significant aspects with my Natal.

His SR ASC square my natal Moon 1*40', with ruler of SR ASC, SR Venus conjunct SR Moon opposing my natal Mars 0*00' and 0*48' respectively.

So yes, look at the SR charts for the time period of when you met etc, or the future to see for anything significant.

posted February 01, 2014 07:52 AM            

My current SR Atlantis is conjunct his natal NN 1*13'

His current SR Atlantis conjunct my natal IC 1*30, and trine my natal Venus 0*08'

posted February 01, 2014 10:01 AM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
Ok so all pretty much confirmed that the asteroid Atlantis is significant to TF's astrologically speaking, whether in the natal, synastry or composites.

My question is why/how does the "Atlantis" theme/concept fit into TF's? I'm vaguely familiar with Atlantis being the lost city and all, so what does it have to with TF's? Can someone explain how these two concepts are connected?

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Edgar Cayce mentioned it.

"Edgar Cayce

Edgar Cayce, the remarkable "sleeping prophet," also spoke about twin souls. He tells us that, in the beginning, the "male and female were as in one."

In his historical description of Atlantis, Cayce says that as long as several hundred thousands of years ago...

"there lived in th is land of Atlantis one Amillius, who had first noted the separations of the beings as inhabited that portion of the earth's sphere or plane of these peoples, into male and female as separate entities or individuals."

posted February 01, 2014 10:23 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

"Back in Atlantis, or whatever it was called, really, we called it union. Just simply, 'union'."

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That reminded me that Mr Sag and me have a partile conjunction of Union and Union on 29 Libra. lol

Interesting Ijust realized that in the helio composite there is also a partile Union-Union-conjunction, and it is exactly conjunct tropical composite Pluto-Atlantis-conjunction.

posted February 01, 2014 10:26 AM            

His Dr venus is opposite his Dr Atlantis on the Leo/aquarius axis by 2 degrees

posted February 01, 2014 10:27 AM              

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Originally posted by Orange:
I think this is the answer to Ceri's quest.
It also explains why an exact Sun/Venus conj in Composite stays conjunct in the progressed Composite for years and years.

Ceri,
My Composte has Atlantis at 27' Gemini, opposing the GS, but only loosely conjunct comp Moon at 20' Gemini. The comp Atlantis, however, conjuncts his batal Moon at 27'Gemini and my Karma.

Comp Atlantis conjuncts exactly comp Venus in two other significant relationships of mine, and does nothing in other of my relationships. I dunno if that means anything at all.

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