posted March 29, 2014 05:10 PM            

I DO need to be thwapped in the head and shaken several times when it comes to changing a long-held paradigm. But, it's nonetheless changing.

I'm deeply touched by the time and efforts of iQ - and this wonderfully motley cosmic crew. I do read everything; I've had very little brainpower as of late to respond - meaningfully - to much. Slowly recovering.

And, yes, Morph - I do think the tightening Cardinal Cross factors. My SUN's at 19° LIB - but my DR-MOON is early CAN. Needless to say, I'm getting hit with them on a few levels.

This continues to be a fascinating, deeply worthwhile venture. Even more, I'm learning, how diligent we must be when making such determinations - and to never do so lightly.

Conventional wisdom may not apply.

For example, the GEMINI or even Antiscion Points. Those seem more prevalent in my Soulmate composites and synastries. But, for you guys, it may be huge.

Individuality, is ironically becoming the watchword regarding Twin Flame astrology. There are unique signatures, quirks, and facets for which you simply can't make hard-and-fast rules.

You CAN offer several markers. I think we've all been slowly compiling our own 'must-see' lists in our heads.

I think I'm beginning to see what iQ does, and what he means, in regards to analysing these charts. I'm also starting to see why the composite I share with mine is as mind-boggling as it is.

I think the ONLY hard-and-fast rule should be that it's mind-boggling. Highly statistically improbable configurations. Astrology that is so multi-faceted that the deeper you delve, the MORE is uncovered - not less.

I think certain principles must apply. For example, a sense of completion taking place. Convergence. Combination of masculine and feminine. These can be achieved in SO many ways. But they must be happening.

I think it's important we have controls. I'll repost one such, to get everyone's immediate reaction and take on things. This keeps us from accidentally ending up with false-positives. It's bound to happen from time to time; only our experience, perseverance, and continued improved analysis can prevent that.

posted March 29, 2014 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mmh, I can understand some of the reasoning (especially the mentioning of the love-axis, community-orientedness of the 11th house and such), however to relate this house to twinflames, just because it is the 11th ouse, nah, it feels like mixing up apples and oranges here.

The 11 is important in twinflame numerology because it is the ONE mirrored by ONE, and the 11th house isn´t about that at all, it is about the integration of an individual in a social context.
Actually I would assume it to be very important in terms of soulgroups, yes, but twinflames? No doesn`t convince me.

The other things do convince me though.

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I don't know...maybe the 11th house goes deeper than then we think.. It could encompass more than integration in the social context.. I'm not convinced the 11th is just about social integration...

posted March 29, 2014 05:20 PM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
Me too 💙

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posted March 29, 2014 05:23 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

yeah we`ve been through this 2 pages ago.

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posted March 29, 2014 05:24 PM              

Anyway, as for my own composite. Nodes.

SN-ruler is Mars
NN-ruler is Venus

They are obviously talking of the feminine and masculine.

Mars is on 23°08 Libra - conjunct SPICA by 26 minutes of arc:

Venus is on 16°01 Capricorn - conjunct VEGA by 1°02

- Mars is ruled by Venus; Venus is in the exaltation of Mars

- also important: Mars is in the exaltation of Saturn, Venus is ruled by Saturn

and then I noticed this as well:

1)
Mars trine PSYCHE: 1°29
Venus trine EROS: 1°21

midpoints:
Venus/PSYCHE: 3°19 Aquarius
Mars / EROS: 3°54 Leo

Roughly conjoined with the ASC-DESC axis
(ASC on 1°20 Aquarius)

2)
ISIS trine VALENTINE 0°26
OSIRIS trine AMOR 1°06

mp:
ISIS/AMOR 7°23 Cap
OSIRIS/VALENTINE: 7°37 Capricorn

While this is not conjunct anything in the composite,

it is conjunct

my natal ISIS 8°32 Cap
my ntal OSIRIS: 7°50 Cap
my natal ISIS/OSIRIS-mp: 8°11 Cap

his Draco ISIS: 8°06 Cap

posted March 29, 2014 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I also found this (although I'm still trying to figure out what she means and why):

[b]Time for a dose of reality from Doctor Astro!
The chance of finding what people call a "twin flame" is very low. The chances of these couples being with their "twin flame" is also very low. Still a chance though.

How I go about fining one is as follows....was looking today actually.

Find out from your natal chart when they were born.

Which means your 11th ruler in transit (at the the time of potential twin soul birth) must be conjunct your natal 7th ruler. With your 7th ruler in transit (at the time of your potential twin soul birth) conjunct to your 11th ruler.

Why this way?

From your natal and transits for when your potential partner is born, you can check to see in your chart WHEN your partner is born.

I am Aqua rising. Jupiter rules my 11th. Sun rules my 7th.
My 11th is partners 5th. My 7th is partners 1st.
To find a birth of any kind, you look to 5th ruler in aspect to 1st ruler an also 1st in aspect to 5th ruler.
Good aspects are fine, but the conjunction is better. Best one!

If you want to test this idea out, look at when a person important to you was born and it should show up.

You will come up with a few options for that. Or at least you should.

Then.....I do a little more. Even though the above should be enough.

Once I have a few charts that satisfy the above conditions, I look at my 1st and 7th rulers in aspect to her 1st and 7th rulers.
The best will be my 1st conjunct her 7th. Other way round too. My 7th conjunct her 1st too, and other way round.

For a bit extra, check the rest of the houses to see if it matches the house ruler for the other person.

Lots of well aspected options to choose from using the above method, but I go one step too far and look for an actual date. Not a few. It would be nice to try this way, if only for an experiment.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/001716-2.html [/B]

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Long and short - it's BS.

The only take home here should be that the 11H is important in TF astrology. Namely, connexions between 11H and 7H, and possibly 1H, too.

We DID notice that there WERE links. But none like he was describing.

posted March 29, 2014 05:29 PM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
I don't know...maybe the 11th house goes deeper than then we think.. It could encompass more than integration in the social context.. I'm not convinced the 11th is just about social integration...

Let's not forget the 11th is ruled by Aquarius which is the sign that strives for humanitarian efforts, helping to make the world a better place..isn't that a main purpose of the TF relationship?

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...and that the twinflame concept seems to be related with this new age of Aquarius, apparently they are intensifying now (the meetings), coinciding with our spiritual evolution.

On the other hand, 11th house aspects in synastry and composites have always been connected with ideal, platonic, true companion relationships. It is also said that when twinflames meet, after the meeting, they acquire an Aquarian "flavour" because they start to influence the world around them, they integrate in the community somehow, they become active in an Aquarian way.

posted March 29, 2014 05:38 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
...and that the twinflame concept seems to be related with this new age of Aquarius, apparently they are intensifying now (the meetings), coinciding with our spiritual evolution.

On the other hand, 11th house aspects in synastry and composites have always been connected with ideal, platonic, true companion relationships. It is also said that when twinflames meet, after the meeting, they acquire an Aquarian "flavour" because they start to influence the world around them, they integrate in the community somehow, they become active in an Aquarian way.

Still, there is much research to be done, of course

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Yes this would make sense LeeLoo. The ruler of our composite 11th is the moon which is conjunct sun, vertex and DSC in our 7th.

posted March 29, 2014 05:42 PM              

And gladly, I mean I WANT to be convinced of that. lol

the 11th is often treated so, I don´t know, it is underestimated I find.
I still think though it points to a larger context (but then again that is true for twinflames).

Interestingly our composite has an intriguing interconnection between the fixed houses.

2nd house ruled by Neptune/Jupiter
11th house ruled by Jupiter
5th and 8th house ruled by Mercury

Mercury closely conjunct and parallel Neptune - in 11th house

Jupiter widely opposite Mercury and Neptune, too wide for me to REALLY pay attention usually (orb is 6°32 and 4°31)

But Jupiter is also contraparallel Mercury (0°46) and also cp Neptune (0°34).

Even more than this it is in mutual reception with Mercury, and dispositing Sun (and being exactly quindecile Sun as well: 0°45).

Oh falling into the 5th house of course.

oh and I forgot.
Of course our composite has an Aquarius-ASC, with the new ruler Uranus in Scorpio in 9th house. Traditional ruler is Saturn in 7th house.

posted March 29, 2014 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
This later reasoning about the 11th house I can accept.

And gladly, I mean I WANT to be convinced of that. lol

the 11th is often treated so, I don´t know, it is underestimated I find.
I still think though it points to a larger context (but then again that is true for twinflames).

Interestingly our composite has an intriguing interconnection between the fixed houses.

2nd house ruled by Neptune/Jupiter
11th house ruled by Jupiter
5th and 8th house ruled by Mercury

Mercury closely conjunct and parallel Neptune - in 11th house

Jupiter widely opposite Mercury and Neptune, too wide for me to REALLY pay attention usually (orb is 6°32 and 4°31)

But Jupiter is also contraparallel Mercury (0°46) and also cp Neptune (0°34).

Even more than this it is in mutual reception with Mercury, and dispositing Sun (and being exactly quindecile Sun as well: 0°45).

Oh falling into the 5th house of course.

oh and I forgot.
Of course our composite has an Aquarius-ASC, with the new ruler Uranus in Scorpio in 9th house. Traditional ruler is Saturn in 7th house.

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posted March 29, 2014 05:56 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Long and short - it's BS.

The only take home here should be that the 11H is important in TF astrology. Namely, connexions between 11H and 7H, and possibly 1H, too.

We DID notice that there WERE links. But none like he was describing.

I was having a bit of a nervous breakdown, too, so that bit of nonsense was hardly needed!

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posted March 29, 2014 05:58 PM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
YES!! There's the 11th house/aquarius connection! I also really like the Gemini (mercury) flavor going on in that composite. I still believe there's something to the Gemini.

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posted March 29, 2014 06:07 PM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
YES!! There's the 11th house/aquarius connection! I also really like the Gemini (mercury) flavor going on in that composite. I still believe there's something to the Gemini.

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I believe FOR ME, there definitely is something to Gemini, but it could be just me, you know? I wouldn´t want to make my chart a rule for everybody else. lol

But DESC in Gemini
SN in Gemini
KARMA in Gemini
KAALI in Gemini, along with and conjunction INANNEN, ASTARTE

Draco Moon

(oh and Shakespeare btw. lol Nessus too though)

Yeah, for me, yes.

For him, IC is in Gemini, though even though he doesn`t have THAT much happening there, the IC being root of the soul is surely interesting (I don`t like that my Nessus is exactly conjunct it though).

Oh and his ISIS is in Gemini, too, exact on my SN and conjunct my DESC

his Draco ANGEL-LUST falls there as well, riht on my Draco Moon and tropical DESC,

(my Draco Angel-Lust falls onto his tropical ASC btw)

So maybe for us it would be important.

Also, the Sagittarius-Gemini interaction, the 11th-5th house interplay, along with Aquarius-ASC makes me rather hopeful there would be a friendship-feeling as well. And yes that is important. Whirlwind passion without a good foundation consumes itself and usually leaves behind frustration, despair, bitterness and sometimes worse.

Do not get me wrong, love and romance and passion is definitely high on my priority list, wen it comes to relationship and falling in love (not twinflame-specific, I KNOW), but so much better if it comes with friendship, too, a shared mind.

Well I have Gemni DESC and Aquarius.Moon, could i really have said something different?

posted March 29, 2014 06:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Indigo,

I hope you are okay.

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posted March 29, 2014 06:29 PM              

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Yup.
In Vedic astrology its also the house of wishes/wish fullfillment and gains.
So perhaps in synastry it can show how one is the answer to your inner wishes, and how they fulfill them?

Kind of reminds me of the Vertex in a way...
Vertex also has a Uranian/electric/unusual type of feel

But I do have to say I wasn't wishing for anything romantic/soulmatey prior to coming across him.
He just sort of happened to "pop into" my life randomly, out of nowhere and then began the journey of transformation and revelation after revelation...

Yet now it does feel like HE is the answer... If that makes sense.

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posted March 29, 2014 06:33 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I am. Little frazzled. Circuits a bit overloaded. Processing A LOT. But I'll be even better than before.

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posted March 29, 2014 07:12 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Indigo,
We have a lot of Scorpio too, he's a Scorpio ASC and I have a Draco sun and moon in Scorpio. We're both very Plutonian natally as well.

Have you checked both natals and composite for Gemini links?
How about anything in the 3rd in either natal or composite? Since the 3rd is naturally ruled by Gemini.

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I'm heavy 3H; if it's SCO, it's 3H for me. My MC is 09° GEM, for what it's worth.

His EARTH-MOON is 28° GEM. My DR-SUN is GEM.

Really, he's heavy SAG, not so much a strong 9H, though.

He's got a strong 1H (EROS-VENUS-AURA, PSYCHE-MARS-ANUBIS, and PALLAS);

11H (SUN-NEP, MERC-URA);

10H (MOON, SNODE-KARMA);

and his 9H has SATURN (technically conjunct KARMA 1°) and on the MC, 1°, with DESTINN, VALENTINE, PRIAPUS, and PLUTO.

There's some force in his 8H because of VESTA, ALMA-JUNO, OSIRIS and ISIS.

Only APHRODITE and VERTEX in his 7H; closer to the 8C, rather than DSC.

Then AMOR-NNODE and CHIRON in the 4H. AMOR is 2° from the IC.

6H, 5H, 3H, are empty (using these points).

JUPITER in 12H.

Only BML in 2H.

Mine's a similar story, but a vertical flip.

I have a busy outer-occupied 1H: JUPITER-SATURN, ALMA-JUNO.

My 2H is very strong: SUN-PLUTO-BML, APHRODITE, KARMA);

My 3H is also packed, maybe my second strongest house: DESTINN-EROS, MERC, MOON-URA, MARS);

My 4H is comparatively weaker: NEP and VALENTINE.

12H is third in strength: VENUS, ISIS and OSIRIS, VESTA, and NNODE.

Only AMOR and VERTEX in my 5H.

Only SNODE in my 6H.

Only PSYCHE in my 10H.

Only CHIRON in my 9H.

Only PALLAS and PRIAPUS in my 8H. M

Empty 7H and 11H, using these points.

I'd say my 3H has considerable strength, given that my 3H is SCORPIO, ruled by PLUTO, conjunct my SUN-BML.

His is empty. But I DO think that he may 'balance' my 3H energy with his SAG and 9H.

posted March 29, 2014 07:16 PM            

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posted March 29, 2014 07:21 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I am. Little frazzled. Circuits a bit overloaded. Processing A LOT. But I'll be even better than before.

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posted March 29, 2014 08:02 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hi, IndigoDirae,
is there a post here where I can see your composite or your aspects with your twinflame? I understand it is regarded not just by yourself alone as a very powerful example of a twinflame composite?

Thanks

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I thought surely everyone was sick of seeing it.

Let's see; the latest one I've uploaded has most things iQ (and we) mentioned - save for a few.

But the one immediately below it features those which iQ has stated are of importance - along with the near-conjunctions of the other soulmate pairings.

Hah! A pairing I hadn't even realised:

27º LIB 50' | PLUTO
12º ARI 16' | PROSERPINA

164º26 (0º70).

Not bad.

posted March 29, 2014 08:54 PM            

His PERSEPHONE biseptile my PLUTO
His PROSERPINA triseptile my PLUTO

My PLUTO semisextile his PROSERPINA (1º)
And my PLUTO is 4º off of an opposition to his PERSEPHONE

posted March 29, 2014 09:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
What I wanted to mention before, and before I forget about it, since Indigo speaks about mindboggling (and yes I agree, I need to feel that electric sizzle/ tingle when looking at a chart).

Anyway, as for my own composite. Nodes.

SN-ruler is Mars
NN-ruler is Venus

They are obviously talking of the feminine and masculine.

Mars is on 23°08 Libra - conjunct SPICA by 26 minutes of arc:

Venus is on 16°01 Capricorn - conjunct VEGA by 1°02

- Mars is ruled by Venus; Venus is in the exaltation of Mars

- also important: Mars is in the exaltation of Saturn, Venus is ruled by Saturn

and then I noticed this as well:

1)
Mars trine PSYCHE: 1°29
Venus trine EROS: 1°21

midpoints:
Venus/PSYCHE: 3°19 Aquarius
Mars / EROS: 3°54 Leo

Roughly conjoined with the ASC-DESC axis
(ASC on 1°20 Aquarius)

2)
ISIS trine VALENTINE 0°26
OSIRIS trine AMOR 1°06

mp:
ISIS/AMOR 7°23 Cap
OSIRIS/VALENTINE: 7°37 Capricorn

While this is not conjunct anything in the composite,

it is conjunct

my natal ISIS 8°32 Cap
my ntal OSIRIS: 7°50 Cap
my natal ISIS/OSIRIS-mp: 8°11 Cap

his Draco ISIS: 8°06 Cap

What ever this is I am looking at here, it looks interesting at least

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Exactly.

There's a kind of 'magic', dare I say, everywhere. In the most minute details. In the Midpoints. The configurations. The bizarrely cohesive links across multiple systems, which relate to the individual natals.

It gives a sense ... of something bigger. Something greater at work. It really, really does. It really can hold you in a kind of awe.

posted March 29, 2014 09:15 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
...and that the twinflame concept seems to be related with this new age of Aquarius, apparently they are intensifying now (the meetings), coinciding with our spiritual evolution.

On the other hand, 11th house aspects in synastry and composites have always been connected with ideal, platonic, true companion relationships. It is also said that when twinflames meet, after the meeting, they acquire an Aquarian "flavour" because they start to influence the world around them, they integrate in the community somehow, they become active in an Aquarian way.

Still, there is much research to be done, of course

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Is that why he's got so much AQU? (EROS, PSYCHE, VENUS, MARS, and ASC).

Interestingly, my SNODE is AQU - and conjunct his most sensitive AQU MPs.

And, of course, my VX (00º) exactly conjunct his ASC.

Now, AQU, we've definitely got some of that between us.

URANIAN, too.

My MOON conjunct URANUS (1º)
His MOON parallel URANUS
His MERC conjunct URANUS (1º
My MERC parallel URANUS
His URANUS parallel JUPITER
My URANUS sextile JUPITER (2º)

posted March 29, 2014 09:25 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Yes this would make sense LeeLoo. The ruler of our composite 11th is the moon which is conjunct sun, vertex and DSC in our 7th.

Aquarius rules our composite 6th house which is the house of service.

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:thinks: Our 11R is MERC, which is conjunct the 1H SCORPIO stellium, and URA - and sextile our JUNO-ALMA-APHRODITE - also located in our 11H.