posted March 29, 2014 09:45 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Hi Afarin!

Ok yes, I do see some significant aspects here that have been talked about in this thread:
First thing I saw was the 5 planet stellium in the composite 1st...this is big (can be an indicator of a TF relationship.)
Second you do have an Eros/Psyche soulmate pairing- it's actually a bi-quintile within a 1.5 degree orb.

You should check for other soulmate pairings, especially conjunctions for instance:
Isis/Osiris
Siva/Parvati & Siva/Kaali can work too
Pluto/Persephone or Proserpina

Um ok next I saw your composite Juno is on Cap 14'22 which is conjunct the Vega asteroid (important in TF relationships) and your composite Valentine is Tau 29'10 which is conjunct Pleiades (another astroid strong in TF relationships) in your 4th house of soul connections!

I also see that significant Yod between your composte moon sextile Chiron in your 7th and 8th with the apex at your sun in the 1st! Yods in the composite (especially in your particular houses) will have a very strong pull to get you together..a relationship ( of some kind) is almost inevitable.

I suggest you also plug in asteroids:
Atlantis
Karma
Union
* and Alma
See if your composite Juno is either conjunct or parallel to Alma

Union conjunct or parallel Alma works too.

Also see if any asteroids/ points fall on 2 degrees Libra or 27 degrees Sagittarius

I also see your Cupido falls on fixed star Aldebaran. Check to see if any other asteroids/points fall on the other fixed stars..regulus, spica, Rigel, fomalhaut, Altair, Sirius, galactic center, Betelgeuse, Anteres.

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Wow, interesting stuff! You noticed stuff I certainly wouldn't have seen! Hahaha. Thanks, by the way. The yods were definitely interesting, but also just the strange saturn and mars near out ascendant (mars being on the ascendant sounds good, but saturn too? confusing) but still having a love stellium is odd looking to me.

Anyway, I plugged in the asteroid combos you mentioned
(Isis/Osiris
Siva/Parvati & Siva/Kaali
Pluto/Persephone or Proserpina)
No direct links between the couple asteroids (other minor conjunctions, but not the pairings). I put just those asteroids into a new composite image if you were interested:

http://s1.postimg.org/pdb51bnvz/astro_621gw_60_142_anonymous_anonymous_5624_8459.gif

And here is another composite with the other asteroids you mentioned:
(Atlantis
Karma
Union
* and Alma) http://s24.postimg.org/bv5swwk0l/astro_621gw_60_142_anonymous_anonymous_6198_9144.gif

posted March 29, 2014 09:52 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Ceri and Indigo:
Remember that dream I had of me kissing Cusp's daughter about a week ago? I happen to be going through some old emails in which I found this daughter's birth announcement with the exact birth time. Naturally I plugged in our synastry. Check it out....amazing. Notice where our name asteroids fall in both natals and the synastry.

[IMG]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/tgem1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps81dd965 8.jpg[/IMG]

We have composite moon in 12th house Pisces and sun widely conjunct SN in 2nd house Taurus. NN is conjunct Pluto in 8th house Scorpio and vertex is sitting exactly on 2 Libra conjunct DSC.

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Your ASC are exactly opposite? Same here!

Her ASC is 10º PIS; and her MOON is 11º VIR. Our ASC are opposite less than 0º25, and her MOON is conjunct my ASC 1º.

My ASC trines her SUN 3º
Her MOON conjunct my VENUS 3º
Her MERC conjunct my VERTEX 1º
Her VENUS trine my ASC 0º, VENUS 2º
Her VERTEX conjunct my JUPITER 4º
Her VALENTINE-AMOR conjunct my VERTEX 3º
Her ALMA conjunct my VENUS 0º, ASC 1º

Her SATURN and NEPTUNE make a Grand Air Trine with my SATURN-ALMA-JUNO.

Her PSYCHE/JUPITER is on her MOON and my VENUS.

Her PLUTO sextiles my SUN

My SUN trines her URANUS

Her KARMA-EROS is on my NEPTUNE
Her SNODE is on my NEPTUNE

My SUN, ALMA, and APHRODITE are parallel her ASC.

Her SUN and MERCURY are parallel my NEPTUNE.

posted March 29, 2014 10:05 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by afarin:
Wow, interesting stuff! You noticed stuff I certainly wouldn't have seen! Hahaha. Thanks, by the way. The yods were definitely interesting, but also just the strange saturn and mars near out ascendant (mars being on the ascendant sounds good, but saturn too? confusing) but still having a love stellium is odd looking to me.

Anyway, I plugged in the asteroid combos you mentioned
(Isis/Osiris
Siva/Parvati & Siva/Kaali
Pluto/Persephone or Proserpina)
No direct links between the couple asteroids (other minor conjunctions, but not the pairings). I put just those asteroids into a new composite image if you were interested:

http://s1.postimg.org/pdb51bnvz/astro_621gw_60_142_anonymous_anonymous_5624_8459.gif

And here is another composite with the other asteroids you mentioned:
(Atlantis
Karma
Union
* and Alma) [URL=http://s24.postimg.org/bv5swwk0l/astro_621gw_60_142_anonymous_anonymous_6198_9144.gif]http://s24.postimg.org/bv5swwk0l/astro_621gw_60_142_anonymous_anonymous_6198_9144.gif[/UR L]

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Hmmm. Indeed.

This may be an excellent one to study. A reminder that it always goes beyond a packed 1H.

I should say, however, that it DOESN'T mean the relationship isn't a journey of convergence, so to speak.

The more condensed a composite, the more focussed the intention will be to achieve unity or oneness. Whether that be in the form of a relationship, close personal friendship, or even colleagueship depends upon the features in the chart itself.

UNION on the MC shows this relationship is 'there for all to see, in any regard. Likely perceived very as intensely bonded, too.

I say the SATURN-MARS rising is a viral component of things, being that SATURN is the 12R.

I like JUPITER trine ALMA; MOON sextile CHIRON. There is generosity of spirit, a soulful goodwill and a healing emotional component.

I wish the MOON wasn't out there in no man's land in the 8H! It's square NEPTUNE-URANUS, yes, in the 12H? If so ... no good.

The reason the MOON is cast so far adrift, so to speak, likely lies in unresolved karma. The issues of the 1H and 2H are tightly linked: identity versus values; self versus resources.

NEPTUNE squares must always be treated with caution. This is likely a past deception, but that's not to say it can't muddle things in the present.

posted March 29, 2014 10:08 PM            

Thoughts?

posted March 30, 2014 12:31 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by tgem:
Ceri and Indigo:
Remember that dream I had of me kissing Cusp's daughter about a week ago? I happen to be going through some old emails in which I found this daughter's birth announcement with the exact birth time. Naturally I plugged in our synastry. Check it out....amazing. Notice where our name asteroids fall in both natals and the synastry.

[IMG]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/tgem1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps81dd965 8.jpg[/IMG]

We have composite moon in 12th house Pisces and sun widely conjunct SN in 2nd house Taurus. NN is conjunct Pluto in 8th house Scorpio and vertex is sitting exactly on 2 Libra conjunct DSC.

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posted March 30, 2014 12:34 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by MorpHnStorM:
Yeah, I did this with my "TF's" kids and what I found made my jaw drop...I posted some synastry aspects with one of his kids some pages back...

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posted March 30, 2014 01:44 AM            

Well, we do have that ASC-IC conj. in Gemini, my NNode is there, and Mercury rules both our charts (according to Pullen). His Mercury-Pallas conj. my IC, trine my Mercury, and my Mercury conj. his SN in his 1st.
This planet rules my 1st and 5th, and his 4th and 7th. We have a composite stellium (Sun-Vesta-Sirius,Venus,Ceres,and some SM asteroids) in the 3rd house. Our t-composite Mercury is in Gemini, near the 3rd house cusp.

I've had thoughts about the 11th house/Uranus and how it relates to this union as well, so I'm glad it was brought up.

Our composite SNode is in Aqua, 2 degrees from the 11th cusp. Uranus is conj. our Vertex in the 6th in our t-composite, and Uranus, Chiron, Mercury, Earth-Moon, and Vesta are a part of a configuration along with the SM asteroids in the helio. In the d-composite, the stellium ends up in Aquarius/3rd (my natal MC is there, while his draco Sun is also there). In our natals, we both have Uranus in the 6th house, and both of us have a Uranus-Venus aspect (I also have Uranus-Moon, and Uranus-Mercury, with Uranus sitting between my SNode and DSC). His Uranus trines mine, and squ. my Vertex-Saturn/Avx-Venus.

With all of that, still, it's Virgo-Pisces and Taurus-Scorpio that are strong in our natal/synastry.

All of that said, I do agree with this:

quote:

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Individuality, is ironically becoming the watchword regarding Twin Flame astrology. There are unique signatures, quirks, and facets for which you simply can't make hard-and-fast rules.

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posted March 30, 2014 03:19 AM            

Regarding the GEMINI thing, it's more the unlikelihood that it holds true statistical significance. It's more how we can find just about anything once we look hard enough. So the question is, at what point do we draw the line?

posted March 30, 2014 06:06 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Thanks, Morph. It does feel as if we're ... waiting. I don't like that part. All we can do is be safe as we can, prepare, and stay alert.

Regarding the GEMINI thing, it's more the unlikelihood that it holds true statistical significance. It's more how we can find just about anything once we look hard enough. So the question is, at what point do we draw the line?

If we say, 'GEMINI is a component', then WHAT components do we say? We already know that not all cases adhere to this. At which point do we quit, heh, stretching things to fit?[/B]

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Well, yeah, which is why I quoted and agreed to that part of your post in my last post. I chose to share what I did (again), because it actually does have relevance in our particular case, so I thought that perhaps it might be useful to some...

-Asc conj. IC-SM Midpoint <~ the sign this falls in happens to be Gemini, which is associated with the planet that dominates both of our charts (by a wide margin, I might add).
-This planet also rules my 1st and 5th, and his 4th and 7th.
-Mine conj. his SN in his 1st.
-His conj. My IC, and trine the same planet in my chart.
-His also happens to be conj. Pallas, consider that IC conj. when I also mention his Moon conj. My Pallas (opp. my Virgo Moon in the 4th).
-Mercury (and Pallas) aspected in all of our charts...
-We really do have that stellium in the 3rd house in composite (as you've seen it). The sign is Cancer, associated with the Moon, in a house associated with Mercury.
- We both have natal stellia in the 6th (Virgo->Mercury).
-My Moon is in Virgo, in my 4th, and in his 7th (close to his Dsc).
-His Sun is in Virgo, in the 6th (close to his Dsc).
-My NNode and Chiron in Gemini, fall in his 3rd (and yes, contact his Sun).
-His Venus-Uranus falls in my 3rd (from his 6th).

And this is just what's associated with Mercury (Vir/Gem/3rd/6th).

My point in sharing this was more about the relevant aspects made here (or at least, what I thought was relevant. If some feel there may be a connection between Gemini and TFs, well then they can pull from this too, and see where it takes them/how it fits in.

posted March 30, 2014 06:10 AM              

"I suggest you also plug in asteroids:
Atlantis
Karma
Union
* and Alma
See if your composite Juno is either conjunct or parallel to Alma

Union conjunct or parallel Alma works too."

Interestingly, some of these aspects are evidence of being part of the same soul group or soul family. For example, I have these very close aspects with one son:

My Union conj his Alma
My Alma conj his Valentine
My Sun conj His Isis

Even more so in the composite:
Atlantis conj Kaali exact forming a grand trine with Valentine and Asc
Neptune conjunct Alma and Isis exact.

posted March 30, 2014 08:18 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I thought surely everyone was sick of seeing it.

Let's see; the latest one I've uploaded has most things iQ (and we) mentioned - save for a few.

But the one immediately below it features those which iQ has stated are of importance - along with the near-conjunctions of the other soulmate pairings.

Hah! A pairing I hadn't even realised:

27º LIB 50' | PLUTO
12º ARI 16' | PROSERPINA

164º26 (0º70).

Not bad.

I don't think we have anything synastrically, though.

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Thanks, ID.

posted March 30, 2014 08:21 AM              

Yesterday th cd of the Artus-Excalibur musical arrived and I was listening to it, and it is really good, beautiful music.
Certainly not apt to make for a dream like that.

For some reason before falling asleep I was suddenly reminded of another dream, I was having when Iwas just a kid. In that dream my mother was warning me or telling me about a disaster that was going to strike the place were we were living (not here, not now, it felt like a differnt time alltogether), and it was still quite far away, but it would come when there was a "second sun appearing at the midday sky", this Sun glowing orange red. And with it there would come some toxic material, destroying much of the known world. (when waking up I was thinking almost about some kind of nuclear explosion).

But that was long ago, the dream.

Anyway so last night I was in some city, not here, not now, far away in time (and space maybe? ).
And for some reason I knew that a disaster would strike, some sort of explosion or whatever. I did not know where exactly though.
My brother was with me, the middle one, who has Down syndrome in this incarnation.
however back then he wasn`t my brother, and I think he wasn`t having Down syndrome either, he was just a kid. But somehow he was a "precious child", something was important about him, and it was my task to protect him and get him safely out of the city through the chaos that would ensue.

Unfortunately I didn`t know when exactly and where the "accident" would take place, and even more unfortunate we were still much too close by when it finally did.
I don`t know what it was, an explosion? A meteorit hitting earth?
I don´t think it was purely naturally caused though.

Anyway, I pretty much covered him with my body, but of course it was not enough. WE were far away enough to not be hit by the shockwave too vehemently, but the bigger problem was the toxix material being released and poured out all over the place.
I knew I was hit hard by hit and would be dying from it before too long, so time was really limited, but I had a job to do.
My brother miraculously was faring well better and I had the feeling though he must have been hit, too, the poisoning would not be fatal in his case if I managed to get him out of there and to the meeting point.

Well, to shorten this lengthy story, I somehow managed to get him out of the inner circle and to the meeting point, where a man was already waiting, who is my current father. He wasn`t back then though, of course he knew just as well as me that Iwas dying, and he was sorry about it, but it had been more important that I had succeeded in doing my job.
It had been difficult, for the poisoning making me really tired. Anyway, for some reason I still managed to go into the house nearby, washing my hair, change my dress, and go out there again, to probably await my death.
Actually i do not quite remember much, this part is blurry, because I jsut got so tired.

And then there was a moment where eveything just went black, as they say. But it did not really went black, it was just nothingness.
And after that splitsecond I regained consciousness again, but from a different perspective. I WAS dead in that dream, and was pretty much observing from the astral.

Actually what I was seeing was that Mr Sag had been coming back, and kneeling down by my body and totally aghast.
We were supposed to meet there and I missed our meeting point, deliberately.
well, in that dream we had actually been engaged, but he had to leave town for a short time. Actually I manipulated him into leaving town, cause I wanted him out of there, in safety. As I knew what was awaiting and as I said I had a job to do, and basically I had to make a choice between accepting my responsibility (and possibly die as result) or putting my happiness, my love above everything else.

Well, I had chosen responsibility, which also meant I betrayed him, us, in a way. And as shocked and sad he was, he was also angry and feeling betrayed by the choice I made.

How is that about Tristan and Isolde-theme?

Interestingly my brother has a DNA-ANGEL conjunction right on my IC, and Mr Sag`s OSIRIS, opposing Mr Sag`s KARMA.

posted March 30, 2014 08:42 AM              

about the comp you posted.
I don`t quite know why and maybe I am totally wrong, but even though it is so condensed with the 1st house emphasis it doesn`t "FEEL" like tf to me.

posted March 30, 2014 09:11 AM              

A long time ago

GUINEVERE:
A long time ago
so far away today
I was dreaming of you.

And a long time ago
I promised: in joy and pain
I will always be with you.

For so long you`ve been just a dream
fading with the morning light
an anchor, a home I was looking for
but could not ever find.

Artus:
It seems so far away today
when an eternity ago
you came to me
Guinevere

Blindly I believed in bliss
hoping without boundaries
but will the pain of innocence
crumbling to dust, ever fade?

But one thing I now understand
No matter how this world turns
love remains the strongest force
love remains the strongest force

And though so much time has passed
today it`s finally true
now you`re here with me
and you`ll always be.

posted March 30, 2014 09:59 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

He's got a strong 1H (EROS-VENUS-AURA, PSYCHE-MARS-ANUBIS, and PALLAS);

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HOw did you come to a choice which asteroids to select?

So I am going to have a look myself, using

KARMA, DESTINN, CERES, PALLAS, JUNO, VESTA, ALMA, EROS, PSYCHE, AMOR, VALENTINE, UNION, ISIS, OSIRIS, KAALI, SIVA, RUDRA, PARVATI, AURA, APHRODITE, ANGEL-LUST, PROSERPINA

my 1st house (mostly Sagittarius):
LUST-ANGEL
Neptune
NN

PROSERPINA
Mercury (DESC-ruler)
Sun

Vesta (Cap)
Venus (MC-ruler)
ISIS
OSIRIS

-full-

my 2nd: (Cap and Aqua)

PALLAS (Aqua)
Moon
PSYCHE

(Moon on the exact midpoint of PALLAS/PSYCHE)

my 3rd: (mostly Pisces)

CERES
Jupiter (chartruler)
JUNO

my 4th

AURA (technically in 3rd but the ocnjunction to IC is only 10 minutes of orb)

Chiron

my 5th:
-empty-

my 6th
-empty-

my 7th (Gemini)

SN
KAALI
KARMA

my 8th (Cancer and Leo)

Saturn
Vertex
EROS
DESTINN

from 16.57 - 23.15 Cancer

my 9th
PARVATI (leo)

RUDRA (Virgo)

my 10th (Libra)

Pluto
APHRODITE
UNION

possibly Uranus, but

my 11th (Scorpio)

Uranus on the cusp (14 minutes)

SIVA

my 12th (Scorpio with a little Sag)

VALENTINE (Sco)

AMOR (Sag)
Mars - my IC-ruler

his natal:

1st: (a little Pisces, all Aries, bit Taurus)

CERES (Aries)
OSIRIS

VESTA (Taurus)
Chiron

2nd

-empty-

3rd

ISIS, tchnically in 2nd but conj. cusp by 22 minutes

4th
-empty-

5th (Cancer-Leo)

JUNO (Cancer)

6th (Leo- Virgo)

NN (Virgo)
AMOR
Mars (int- 1st house ruler)
Jupiter (trad chartruler, MC-ruler)

7th (Virgo - Libra)

Saturn (on DESC)
VERTEX
APHRODITE

KARMA (libra)
DESTINN
Pluto
ADONIS
UNION

ANGEL - LUST (Scorpio)
RUDRA

-full-

8th (Scorpio, a little Sag)

VALENTINE (Sco)
Uranus

KAALI (Sag)

9th (Sag)

Mercury (on the cusp, technically in 8th, conj. by 28 minutes only though and in Sag)
(DESC and IC-ruler

Neptune

Sun (conj. MC, but over one degree)

10th (Sag mostly)

Moon (conjunct cusp by 20 minutes)

11th (Cap and Aqua)

Venus (Cap) (int. 7th house ruler)
SIVA

PROSERPINA (Aqua)

12th (Aqua and Pisces)

PALLAS (Aqua)
PSYCHE

posted March 30, 2014 10:10 AM              

we have both:

OSIRIS and VESTA in 1st (Aries/Taurus-Cap)
(his Osiris widely square my Osiris: 2°18
his Vesta trine my Vesta: 1.37)

KARMA in 7th (Libra-Gem)

SIVA in 11th (Cap - Scorpio)

ALMA in 4th (Cancer - Aries)

we also have:

MARS in 6th and 12th (Virgo - Sag)

ANGEL-LUST in 7th and 1st (Scorpio - Sag)

SPIRIT in 7th - 1st (Libra - CAp)

plus:

his OSIRIS and my ISIS in 1st (Aries - Cap)
(his Osiris sqquares my Isis very loosely: 3°00)

his PLUTO in 7th, my PROSERPINA in 1st (Libra - Sag)
(sextile: 0°21)

his ADONIS and my INANNEN-ASTARTE in 7th (Libra - Gemini)

his ISHTAR and my ADONIS in 11th (Cap - Libra)
(square: 0°50)

posted March 30, 2014 10:26 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

Exactly.

There's a kind of 'magic', dare I say, everywhere. In the most minute details. In the Midpoints. The configurations. The bizarrely cohesive links across multiple systems, which relate to the individual natals.

It gives a sense ... of something bigger. Something greater at work. It really, really does. It really can hold you in a kind of awe.

It's a sense of ... design.

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posted March 30, 2014 10:32 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Your ASC are exactly opposite? Same here!

Her ASC is 10º PIS; and her MOON is 11º VIR. Our ASC are opposite less than 0º25, and her MOON is conjunct my ASC 1º.

My ASC trines her SUN 3º
Her MOON conjunct my VENUS 3º
Her MERC conjunct my VERTEX 1º
Her VENUS trine my ASC 0º, VENUS 2º
Her VERTEX conjunct my JUPITER 4º
Her VALENTINE-AMOR conjunct my VERTEX 3º
Her ALMA conjunct my VENUS 0º, ASC 1º

Her SATURN and NEPTUNE make a Grand Air Trine with my SATURN-ALMA-JUNO.

Her PSYCHE/JUPITER is on her MOON and my VENUS.

Her PLUTO sextiles my SUN

My SUN trines her URANUS

Her KARMA-EROS is on my NEPTUNE
Her SNODE is on my NEPTUNE

My SUN, ALMA, and APHRODITE are parallel her ASC.

Her SUN and MERCURY are parallel my NEPTUNE.

Yeah, we're Soulmates. She couldn't be my daughter anymore if we shared genetic material.

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@ Indigo and Morph-
Yeah, isn't that totally crazy??!! It just makes me feel we are in these children's lives for an absolute reason!!! And I must stress, I feel the relationship is individual in itself ...so when you said Indigo that you could never not have your step-daughter in your life? Who says if things change that she can't/won't be? Definitely soulmates!!

What aspect would show her beig my daughter in another life? Moon/SN ??

posted March 30, 2014 10:36 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
:thinks: Our 11R is MERC, which is conjunct the 1H SCORPIO stellium, and URA - and sextile our JUNO-ALMA-APHRODITE - also located in our 11H.

Huh. 28º VIRGO - where my N-ATLANTIS is. I guess I shouldn't be surprised!

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posted March 30, 2014 11:46 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I've got:

His PERSEPHONE biseptile my PLUTO
His PROSERPINA triseptile my PLUTO

My PLUTO semisextile his PROSERPINA (1º)
And my PLUTO is 4º off of an opposition to his PERSEPHONE

So, as I was saying - nothing synastrically.

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Yes, I see.

Did you notice though you have a 7th harmonic triangle of Pluto, Chiron and Proserpina?
It is not symmetrical, hence not coming with a clear midpoint, so it might not be as strong as if it was if it did. Though still there is a mixed midpoint pattern.

Your Pluto triseptiles your own Chiron: 12 minutes

your Pluto triseptile his Proserpina: 35 minutes

your Chiron septil your Proserpina: 24 minutes

the midpoint pattern is

your Pluto opposite your Chiron/his Proserpina 9 minutes.

I don´t think it is strong enough to serve as a MAIN pattern (usually these come with midpoint patterns where one person`s planet activates a midpoint in the other chart); however it is VERY close in orb, so I would take it into consideration certainly.

posted March 30, 2014 11:59 AM              

One formed by Venus, Mars and Juno.

The other being formed by Venus, Chiron and Mars. They are sort of interlocking.

Actually it is eenly spread, the first one is based on my natal aspect, the second one based on his.

(1)
My Mars biseptile my Juno: 1°03
my Mars septile his Venus: 0°30
my Juno septile his Venus: 0°38

his Venus= my Mars/Juno 0°39

(2)
his Venus biseptile his Chiron: 0°49
his Venus septile my Mars: 0°30
his Chiron triseptile my Mars: 0°08

only a mixed midpoint pattern

but then there is

(3)
his Venus biseptile his Chiron: 0°49
his Venus septile my Juno: 0°38
his Chiron septile my Juno: 1°12

my Juno = his Venus/Chiron 0°13