posted April 03, 2014 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I can`t help you with that, as I do believe everyone has a TF. But I am totally unsold on the mission-thing anyway.
It sounds too, I don`t know, missionary I suppose.

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posted April 03, 2014 12:31 PM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
Yeah, it only seems natural that everyone has a TF, if you believe in the idea of splitting the yin and yang energies in the beginning. The idea that they rarely incarnate together is more probable to me... I'm just not sold on Mel's idea that not everyone has one...I don't see his reasoning or logic.

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While I believe that everyone has a tf, I also believe that not all tf are ready for reunion in every life.

posted April 03, 2014 01:50 PM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
I've read you only unite with your TF during your last incarnation...before ascension. Or do you think we have spent several lifetimes with our TF?

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You probably meet them all the time, in one form or another. But you become AWARE of the existence of a twinflame only during your last incarnations.

BTW, I was thinking if Saturn linked to Karma could be a marker for old souls.

posted April 03, 2014 02:57 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You probably meet them all the time, in one form or another. But you become AWARE of the existence of a twinflame only during your last incarnations.

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posted April 03, 2014 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
I haven't read all the pages, but have you noticed some pattern with

a) solstice points

b) draconic - natal comparison ? For example, tight conjunctions from one persons draconic to another ones natal chart and vice versa? Does it point to something as well?

The reason i'm asking is that it doesn't come really often (significant conjunctions across these charts). I've checked many synastries with casual friends, people i've just dated a couple of times and no one of them made me feel something more was in the air. And there were no significant draconic - natal triggers. And with this one single person who is constantly in my mind, there is plenty. It should mean something.

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• Solstice / Antiscia - with my TF, no. Soulmates - absolutely. Too many to name, in fact.

• Draconic - yes to all. Strong linkages across the board. Especially straight Draco synastry, composite. And with Soulmates, mostly Draco to Tropical has shown some crazy things.

Curiously, my TF's Draco chart mimics my Geo-Tropical in the reverse: his Sun is in Scorpio, Moon in Libra.

Always found that interesting.

posted April 03, 2014 04:18 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

Curiously, my TF's Draco chart mimics my Geo-Tropical in the reverse: his Sun is in Scorpio, Moon in Libra.

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I have something similiar with my Near Twin/ Guardian soulmate. My Draco - his tropical.

My Dr Sun: 16 Aries - his Sun: 16 Aries
my Dr Mercury: 15 Aries - his MErcury in Aries
my Dr Mars: 25 Pisces - his Mars 20 Pisces
my Dr ASC: 26 Pisces - his ASC Pisces

Curiously it does not work for the emotional planets.

my Dr Moon: Gemini (7 degree) - his Moon Taurus (19 degrees)

posted April 03, 2014 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
What does it mean?

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I respectfully disagree. I believe you're simply beginning the awakening process. I have these sorts of dreams with regularity now, and every significant relationship has begun this way. Every single one.

It really begun in my mid-twenties. Prior to that, it was still dodgy. Sometimes frequent, but long periods of dormancy.

I literally live several other lives in the Dreamstate. They've become just as legitimate to me over time. There, many people here will 'flash' for a moment, as if to confirm themselves to me as they appear here, as they're different there. Our relationships are different, most of the time, as well.

Some dreams, as Ceri has stated, which are occurring more as astral travels, will have a 'trudging' sensation. (You cannot encompass my relief, Ceri, when you said that! I've been feeling it for YEARS that way.) I feel it's as if I'm trying to enforce my free will; that I'm 'taking control' in what was flowing along without my 'piloting'. Very curious experience. I explore it heavily in my newest (heh, 'newest oldest' ) project.

Strangest thus far was after I'd begun a sexual relationship with my costar, who's one of my more primary Guardian Soulmates.

It was as if the following week was a bizarre compilation or montage of other eigenstates:

In one, I was a local field agent who was kidnapped during a terrorist attack in an airport led by him, a cult leader. He did teach me, however, that I had the ability to see spirits. I awoke with a curious feeling from that one. I couldn't condone his actions, but I had gratitude for the insight I wouldn't have gotten walking the straight and narrow.

In another, he was the leader of a militaristic society allied with the Atlantean empire ruled by my family. I was betrothed to him, but he was so terribly cold. I was very warm there ... very empathetic. I remember trying to teach him my ways, but he was more interested in the power he was coming into. It was disappointing.

In another, he was my former master, and I was left ronin. I kept practising the discipline he taught me even though it was controversial for the time, believing it brought me in contact with his spirit - which continued to lead me. But I secretly feared I'd just gone mad.

In another still, he'd just left his mother's house in what looked like 1940's eastern Los Angeles. He angrily got into the car where I was seated in the passenger, as his mother screamed and threw things, in tow. He ignored her pleading and got into the driver's seat. She continued screaming things and cursing me through the window. I was a young actress, and I'd wanted him to get away. I felt her influence was infringing upon his individuality. So she hated me, and our relationship. I also knew he was in no state to drive, and somehow, upon waking, that we careened into the guardrail on that hairpin curve along Mulholland he 'wants to take me on, yet doesn't, and he doesn't know why; it's so beautiful, and yet, he shivers every time after he makes the curve.' (He randomly revealed that later.)

Needless to say, he and I've been through a bit. I STILL feel the strange pain of his being a travelling scholar who I'd met very briefly in youth that just so happened to find himself stranded outside of the home my husband, a wealthy merchant had, in the early Victorian period. His beliefs were so different from mine, due to his travels. I loved him dearly for that and more. He was a brilliant storyteller, and would regale everyone with such tales. He'd confessed only once, before leaving, that he remembered me from back when I was so young and he about ten years my senior. That he 'loved me then, and loves me still.' Then he left. I was never quite the same after it, but I did begin writing, inspired by his many tales. It was unheard of for a woman to publish her own work, so it was under my husband's name. I was embittred about that to the end, but took small comfort in the thought its scope might reach him, wherever his travels led.

Odd, to feel a pain and longing from another time. It jives for me, though, that that was the 'most recent' incarnation - whether symbolic or actual, hardly matters.

So I'm very grateful for our relationship now, and all I've learnt from him, and how I can now help his career.

If you were to condense it all, you might get that he's always been something of a teacher and mentor to me. He would pull the wool off of my eyes; pierce the illusion. Many times, we faced a difficult separation, but the lessons stuck.

It seems apt then, the same incarnation in which I'd plan to reunite with my Twin Flame, that we'd overcome great obstacles in order to finally experience a real togetherness.

It's a beautiful thing. Never doubt the power of Soulmates. Especially our Guardians.

posted April 03, 2014 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I have something similiar with my Near Twin/ Guardian soulmate. My Draco - his tropical.

My Dr Sun: 16 Aries - his Sun: 16 Aries
my Dr Mercury: 15 Aries - his MErcury in Aries
my Dr Mars: 25 Pisces - his Mars 20 Pisces
my Dr ASC: 26 Pisces - his ASC Pisces

Curiously it does not work for the emotional planets.

my Dr Moon: Gemini (7 degree) - his Moon Taurus (19 degrees)

my Dr Venus: Aries (26 degrees) - his Venus: Taurus (4 degrees)

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My DR-SUN is 01° GEM. DR-VENUS is 20° ARI, with 22° ARI rising.

Well, that explains a bit!

Also, my costar, 'the LT', has some major Draco hits with my Tropical and vice versa. Namely mine to his, but there are a few.

His DR-MARS is 17° VIR (9° from conjunct my N-VENUS).

His DR-MOON opposes it, exactly, and goes into my N-7H.

DR-NEP becomes 17° LIB, 2° conjunct my N-SUN. (His N-NEP is conjunct my N-MOON 3°.)

My DR-VENUS is conjunct his N-MOON 2°, my N-PRIAPUS and his N-BML exactly.

My DR-ASC conjoins his N-MOON exactly.

Draco to Draco? Even weirder.

Our SUNS are 2° apart. Seriously. HTF that happened mathematically? No clue.

AND ...

My DR-PLUTO is EXACTLY conjunct his DR-SUN.

posted April 03, 2014 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Here:

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Anima / Animus

These are terms that Jung created to describe the opposite-gender self that lives within each of us.

The anima is the feminine component dwelling inside a male's unconscious mind. The animus is the masculine component dwelling inside a female's unconscious mind.

In dreams, this opposite-gender self can be a helper or an antagonist. These dream figures can appear as translations of persons we meet with whom we have a tremendous sense of romantic love or platonic camaraderie. One of Jung's interpreters held that the anima/animus character was only understandable to those who have known true love.

However, our opposite-gender selves may reveal to us negativity in ourselves or negativity we perceive in dealings with the opposite sex. It is important to note that sometimes, when you dream about a person of the opposite sex, they may be representing your own inner self. Carefully consider all persons of the opposite sex in your dreams as a possible appearance of your own anima / animus.

What do these strangers teach you about how you view the opposite sex-do you fear, lust for, or despise these strangers for any apparent reason?

Also read Anima Animus on Wikipedia.
Your Animus (who sometimes appears in dreams) is eventually your one and only Twinflame.[/B]

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What I meant by I disagree with this is that it's oversimplified. Your Anima / Animus is NOT your Twin Flame. Rather, it does not need to be.

For me, it's a Companion Soulmate.

I don't think I could've taken THAT particular journey with my Twin Flame. Others might be able to. Not me.

So, I hesitate to state such absolutes.

posted April 03, 2014 06:17 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
What I meant by I disagree with this is that it's oversimplified. Your Anima / Animus is NOT your Twin Flame. Rather, it does not need to be.

For me, it's a Companion Soulmate.

I don't think I could've taken THAT particular journey with my Twin Flame. Others might be able to. Not me.

So, I hesitate to state such absolutes.

{b]Nothing on this subject is absolute. Nothing. [/B]

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Actually, I think twinflames ARE about the "absolute". It's just that neither of us can access that "absolute", we just have opinions and, separately and together, we gradually access the TRUTH. The truth, the final one, is absolute, don't you agree?

Well...this could be the beginning of heavy philosophy

Anyway, my opinion on the twinflame is that he/she is the "final" one. The final one is you, the other you, your male you (if you are a woman), your female you( if you are man), specifically the one with whom you re-form the Androgyne. In psychology, we call this Anima/Animus- which is "soul" in Latin.

posted April 03, 2014 06:42 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Soooooo.... Can we discuss more about this idea that "everyone has a TF". Some agree, some don't. And if not everyone does have a TF, I'm having a difficult time grasping why we were "chosen" per se...or why we volunteered...either way.

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Well, that's a VERY good question. I'm sometimes tempted to place at least some credence in 'The Lachesis Theory', given how much Mel said it resonated with The Graduate Soul Mission, as he knows it to be.

For that reason, I guess I'll share it here?

Since September 2005, until about November 2006, I began having rapid series of dreams, trance-like states, and instances of what seemed like automatic writing. I really thought I was going crazy. As no psychiatrically gifted sort could stamp me anything but sane, I began to compile it all into a massive document which would become the roots of the Lachesis project - and the way I'd meet my own Twin Flame.

That goes as follows:

We came from a central world off which many others, likely a dozen, were both nonlocated (quantum expression) and physically present. That central world was known to me by the name of Atavus, which I later found meant 'origin', or 'great ancestor'. In short, this was an ancestral world which 'birthed' through dimensional construct, several other worlds.

When Atavus fell, so did the rest.

Curiously, these separate worlds resonated with or had kinship with several of the stars and constellations we've discussed, as well as Zodiacal relationship.

As per an earlier series of dreams (in 1999), I knew Atavus to be similar to an empire or kingdom which held great power, which was governed and monitored by the royal family - of which I was a begrudging member. (LONG story.)

Crystals, orbs - something of that nature - was crucial for the stability and atmospheric, 'energetic' harmony of Atavus, and the entire galactic community, so to speak.

To shorten a very long story, something went terribly wrong. I was to be taking power very soon, (though I felt incredibly unprepared, to succeed my mother - who was a very powerful shaman / priestess in her own right).

A council had begun meeting within the last few 'years' - or however time was measured. Representatives came from each of the dozen worlds / dimensions. We were preparing for something. I'm not sure what. I was something of the 'house speaker', you might say.

I had a troubling, complicated association with the most hated member of the group, as his race had been forced off world generations ago due to differences of belief which erupted into religious war. (Of COURSE! )

Everything about the technological advancements and ease with which their hybrid race were able to travel the universe fascinated me. I loved my home, and its simple beauty. The gorgeous, geometrically resonant architecture. The blue waters. The stillness, the calm. But I longed for an independence and freedom I wasn't afforded as a member of the royal family. I wanted OUT. And I was terrified to try and rule anything - but myself.

But I loved him. I think he loved me, too. It's hard to say. He was gone for a long time after that, and by the time he returned it was too late. That much I know.

We were all betrayed. Nobody knows who did it, or why. Is it something as simple as greed and the lust for power? Everything I knew was destroyed.

I recall leading an empty, fugitive life, trying to evade the watchful eye of the new dictatorial force - led by none other than my former fiance, who I really had trusted and felt was my friend - even if I didn't love him nearly like I did the 'persona non grata' leader of the other off-shoot race. I also worked tirelessly to form a resistance. Success rate remains unknown to me.

I also recall a terrible argument with the other representative, who returned in the midst of the attack on the palace, and the temple where we were all gathered - where the other ten were dead of five murder-suicides. I didn't KNOW this at the time. I simply knew they were dead - that everyone was dead, and that HE was gone, and I was a fool for thinking he'd return - until he did.

All I 'remember' after that was his insistence that I trust him - before he killed me. I didn't know that he also killed himself promptly afterwards. I DO somehow recall my former fiance, the new power, being absolutely furious with both of us, and, I thought, perhaps actually saddened at my death? Or was that wishful thinking? Who knows.

The most potent dream of all was a pure trance-state. (I wrote it rather faithfully into the Lachesis project.)

A version of me which was adorned as this race might seek to attire themselves, who would then 'flash' between looking like, but different from, me, took me on a journey explaining that it was up to me to 'find them' and to reunite them. It seemed part of that message was to locate the betrayer, or the source of the betrayal, and heal old wounds.

In sharing all of this with Mel, he laughed and said I couldn't copyright the basics of it, since that's 'the plan' inscribed into the souls of the Graduates. He was floored at how much my own 'story' resonated with it, too.

So, for me, it DOES feel as if I'm 'collecting' and preparing for some grand reunion of sorts. The fact there is 'one big mutual betrayal' between me and Fate is certainly aligned with the way things were left between the two figures from those 'recalls', of sorts.

According to Mel, publicly, the Graduate Souls are gathering to raise the vibration of humanity on a grand scale.

But, privately, it would seem, he stated that there is a mass reconvening here on Earth now due to the destruction of our previous civilisation.

WHY we're reconvening, so to speak?

posted April 03, 2014 06:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
Indigo, actually i could agree. A week or two after that dream i met someone who resembles the person from the dream, not fully, but still. Now we're dating - i don't know, of course, what would that lead to, but there are some links in synastry that would show something significant. Oddly enough, his name is the same as i've always known my past self true love was. I was married to another one, but knew that i was separated from the one i loved. And just like i knew my name and my husbands names, which proved to be true, i *knew* his name. And then i met this man, who looks like that man from my past life dreams (only younger, of course), and has the same name. Tarot also shows some sort of past life connection, as does the synastry.

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:nod: Yep, every significant relationship I've ever had.

posted April 03, 2014 06:58 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Actually, I think twinflames ARE about the "absolute". It's just that neither of us can access that "absolute", we just have opinions and, separately and together, we gradually access the TRUTH. The truth, the final one, is absolute, don't you agree?

Well...this could be the beginning of heavy philosophy

Anyway, my opinion on the twinflame is that he/she is the "final" one. The final one is you, the other you, your male you (if you are a woman), your female you( if you are man), specifically the one with whom you re-form the Androgyne. In psychology, we call this Anima/Animus- which is "soul" in Latin.

For me, even the soulmates are holograms (bits) of the final twinflame, like parts of him/her sent as messengers, to guide you, prepare you to/for the final meeting. Reality is a hologram. Each sees it from his perspective. I would be interested to know, ID, what is your brief perspective on twinflames? What is a twinflame for you?

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In Jungian psychology, rather, yes. But that's fine; Jungian is the school of which I'm most fond, even though Freud had some excellent insight. It wasn't until Jung that it really culminated.

As to 'reality is a hologramme' - preachin' to the choir. That became a message I was sending far and wide when I was 16, so, I'm well aware.

HOW it's holographic is far more interesting. I believe the answers to that lie in modern (quantum) physics. Trouble is, few can really wrap their head around nonlocality and multidimensionality.

Reality, from what I can glean, is more of a crystal lattice, comprised of tiny, vibrating particles which form glorious spectra. While we're still aways away from isolating the coveted 'time particle', I feel our progress in understanding the lattice structure will one day unlock the secrets of true hyperdimensionality.

Have you read Michael Talbot? He has some wonderful insights into the subject. 'The Holographic Universe' is naturally the place to start, if you haven't just yet.

I'm inclined to agree that there's a holographic nature to Soulmates. But not all Soulmates. I start feeling uncomfortable if too much 'fragmentation' starts going down in my quantum philosophy

This might be a good time to link an article from a couple of years ago:
http://aubianne.com/blog/2012/10/31/twinsouls-as-superpartners-part1/

posted April 03, 2014 07:00 PM              

What is also interesting is that it could be your story, the archetype you are supposed to manifest together with your twinflame. your avatar, so to speak. What I mean is that it doesn't have to be a general story of the human race.

posted April 03, 2014 07:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Indigo,

thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matter of orbs.

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You REALLY helped me gain better perspective on that, so now I DO use a striated method.

posted April 03, 2014 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
I've read you only unite with your TF during your last incarnation...before ascension. Or do you think we have spent several lifetimes with our TF?

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Or if you came back for some specific reason. Which, I've got to admit, that personally made a LOT click for me. But it may not for others.

posted April 03, 2014 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You probably meet them all the time, in one form or another. But you become AWARE of the existence of a twinflame only during your last incarnations.

BTW, I was thinking if Saturn linked to Karma could be a marker for old souls.

What do you think we should look for to identify old souls?

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Heh. His KARMA (24º) and SATURN (23º) are 1º conjunct, on my MOON (24º) and URANUS (23º).

Could be a marker. Hit and miss, though. I'm not sure what 'marks' me as an old soul. NEP? Maybe my PLUTO-SUN? 1H SATURN?

That's a good question.

posted April 03, 2014 07:10 PM              

Have you read Michael Talbot? He has some wonderful insights into the subject. 'The Holographic Universe' is naturally the place to start, if you haven't just yet.

I totally agree with this. Strings and waves...you're my kind of girl I'm glad to see someone linking astrology to this. Thanks for the book tip and for the link.

posted April 03, 2014 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Let's see if I understood it correctly, ID. This is something you have seen in several dreams, visions, trance like states, including the name, Atavus? And you didn't know the name before that? Yes, it does resonate with atavism. This is interesting.

What is also interesting is that it could be your story, the archetype you are supposed to manifest together with your twinflame. your avatar, so to speak. What I mean is that it doesn't have to be a general story of the human race.

For example, I've had visions, dreams and flash like recollections of my own (which I reluctantly identified in the end as being possible previous lives recollections) with a "mysterious man". And gradually, a story emerges. Mine is dramatic too, it involves betrayal, separation, death, suicide, two lovers with irreconcilable social backgrounds, some sort of Romeo/Juliet, Tristan/Isolde fairy tale. But it is different from yours Or...who knows? Maybe if we were to compare the images in our brains...

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I blame the fact my chart is basically screaming, 'what else can we fit into Scorpio?'

Funny thing. My mother was NOT wild about raising a Scorpio girl, so she said she manifested my being born Libran.

Yeah. With MOON and MERC in Scorpio, and, oh, yeah SUN conjunct PLUTO.

Take-home message? The Universe doesn't, ah, like being told what to do?

I think, frankly, that the resonance Mel felt with it in regards to the Graduate Soul thesis was more akin to MY needing to pay attention to it, as I DO feel it's very well the story / basis / background for my particular Oversoul - and that of my Twin's.

But I think each Oversoul has its story, so to speak, and reasons for incarnating soul-groups on the planet.

The first bit or 'round' of information came to me in 1999, when I gave into the fact all of my friends were on a fantasy bent, and tried to concoct a story for them. That's when it just flooded to me, rapidly. We all had a sense of wonder about it. And promptly spread far and wide across the country the following year - before it could be completed.

But then I found the project I'm working on now, which is quite central to resolving karma from what feels rather recent to me.

The way the first project went though is oddly reminiscent of how Lachesis ACTUALLY went. Except rather that being a group of friends scattred far and wide, we were a group of strangers who begun that way - and ended up friends. Lovely, when you think about it.

The longest 'recall' period, I'd have to say was the initial two weeks in September 2005 to December 2005, and then after meeting Fate - July 2006 to November 2006.

Then again, when it went into series-development, after he'd told me the truth, and we begun working together honestly, in 2012. Pretty much scattred bits all through 2012, often in periods of a week, maybe a bit longer.

Everything just honestly came to me. But then I'd have to say that's hardly unusual. Everything's begun as a dream, or odd vision, or moment when everything seems to still and there's a sense of something incredible in the air.

posted April 03, 2014 07:42 PM              

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Originally posted by Selene:
Indigo, actually i could agree. A week or two after that dream i met someone who resembles the person from the dream, not fully, but still. Now we're dating - i don't know, of course, what would that lead to, but there are some links in synastry that would show something significant. Oddly enough, his name is the same as i've always known my past self true love was. I was married to another one, but knew that i was separated from the one i loved. And just like i knew my name and my husbands names, which proved to be true, i *knew* his name. And then i met this man, who looks like that man from my past life dreams (only younger, of course), and has the same name. Tarot also shows some sort of past life connection, as does the synastry.

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Very interesting, Selene.