posted April 08, 2014 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
lol

I did not even notice before, but they sent me the confirmation mail of my booking for 13th june (we all KNEW I would get a ticket, don`t we? ).

category 2, row 2, seat 2

I swear I did not plan this, but seeing the 2`s one after each other.

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I got hit with triple 2's today!

2 + 2 + 2.

posted April 08, 2014 05:30 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
@Indigo...did you get Cusp's BT so I can edit it out?

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posted April 08, 2014 05:47 PM            

Something about this lovely acoustic rendition of 'Candle In The Wind' is getting me today. A specific line from it: 'good-bye, from the young man in the twenty-second row.'

I want you to be what you ARE. More than 'the young woman in the second row.' Follow?

Life ... it CAN be so fleeting. The only actions I think I've ever REALLY taken were motivated by a fear that I might lose the opportunity to do so.

Maybe four days seems 'excessive'. It isn't.

posted April 08, 2014 09:08 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Indigo,

Definitely a Chiron theme. That Moon-Uranus must be felt like an arrow through the heart on both sides. And combined with Saturn-Karma...

But Chiron heals in the end when the people involved have an epiphany, when they become aware of the fact that those 'inflicted' wounds are actually something they've been carrying within themselves long before they met, wounds from the past, soft spots that have always been there, self-inflicted or inflicted by others. The other is just pointing them out in order to be healed.

Chiron requires the hero in us (Hercules). You need a lot of courage in your interaction.

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Hmm. Intriguing thought, Lee. I wonder then if our, HERACLES (5143) would shed some light on how that's best achieved.

The epiphany part reminds me of the conversation we had during the S2 finale of Newsroom.

I asked him why it took the main character so long to forgive the costarring character. Why so many years, and so much pain.

He said that the pain is blinding up to the moment that true understanding is reached. Their past, her betrayal was all that he could acknowledge as being real. She was, in essence, the [expletives deleted] [expletives deleted] who ruined his life, used him, and shattered his heart.

It took the moment in which he FINALLY realised the pain she too had undergone, and that it was the ONLY thing that REALLY went wrong between them, and, like a bolt of lightning, he had forgiven her, realised his own mistake, and all was well.

I, on the other hand, was sitting there and thinking, ... wha? How? How could he have ever thought of her like that? How could he not KNOW what she went through? How could he only see his own pain?

He said it changed the way he viewed her. (And, then filled in the details of what that view had become.) When I questioned the veracity (or logic) of that, he simply said, 'you of all people should know what that's like.'

... Ouch.

As much as it deeply hurt, it was a level of (veiled) yet unparalleled honesty in recent times. While he couldn't tell me straight out, the way we talked of 'them' while truly discussing us ... was enlightening.

It was also ... hard. Really hard. Realising that he, too, was waiting for an epiphany. Some day that he would no longer be blinded by his pain, and could realise that I never wanted to hurt him.

posted April 08, 2014 09:43 PM            

What are your thoughts on a DW TRISTAN conjunct VERTEX? Wide - 3º60 and 2º60 - but my eyes went right to them; there's evidence of a pattern here.

Not to mention - DR-TRISTAN opposite TR-ISOLDA 0º07.

posted April 09, 2014 06:40 AM              

Yes, I think so, great thought. We too have a major Chiron theme. I checked Heracles and our Fire Heracles are trined. His Heracles exactly opposes my Mercury, my Heracles exactly opposes his Venus. Heracles integrates the lessons of Chiron, brings closure, brings Chiron's lessons into the world (in this case, the relationship). So his Love makes me a hero, my mind (possibly communication) makes him one.

posted April 09, 2014 07:41 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Ceri,

Something about this lovely acoustic rendition of 'Candle In The Wind' is getting me today. A specific line from it: 'good-bye, from the young man in the twenty-second row.'

I want you to be what you ARE. More than 'the young woman in the second row.' Follow?

Life ... it CAN be so fleeting. The only actions I think I've ever REALLY taken were motivated by a fear that I might lose the opportunity to do so.

Maybe four days seems 'excessive'. It isn't.

Be more than the woman in the audience. Frightening, yes, but sometimes all you have to do is show up. Fate writes the script. Sometimes.

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this resonated much with me. Thank you.

Interestingly, that essay I mentioned having written with 15, I think it concluded with the words "Become who you are". lol

posted April 09, 2014 07:49 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Ceri,

What are your thoughts on a DW TRISTAN conjunct VERTEX? Wide - 3º60 and 2º60 - but my eyes went right to them; there's evidence of a pattern here.

Not to mention - DR-TRISTAN opposite TR-ISOLDA 0º07.

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Seems significant. Not so sure what the Draco-Tropical one means, but the Vx-DW, well I suppose the meeting/ encounter will reek of Tristan symbolism. Without Isolda he was quite a loyal, witty, cunning knight btw. so it is not all bad I suppose, and actually he was in deep conflict between the loyalty to his uncle (Isolda`s husband) and his passion for her.

Eventually he left her, and married someone just because she was having the same name. but when he became sick, he was asking for *his* Isolda, as she was a great healer as well; Isolda hurried to help him, but when her ship arrived and Tristan asked his wife if it really was her, but overcome with jealousy his wife lied to him, saying it wasn´t her coming to his rescue.
He died with a broken heart, thinking Isolde had never forgiven him and stopped loving him, stopped caring and would not even come to his aid on his deathbed.
Isolde meanwhile came into the room, just a few minutes after, found the love of her life dead, and died herself of a broken heart.

They were buried side by side, and it is said that from his grave grew a vine and from her grave grew a rosebush. As they reached toward heaven the vine's and the rosebush's branches intertwined with one another.

posted April 09, 2014 07:51 AM              

But on the other hand, he killed his wife and children before in a fit of rage; he raped the princess Auge (and God knows who else).
He won Dejanira in a wrestling match. Well, he had been overcome with frenzied passion,b ut Dejanira was well protected due to her origin, and so he was forced to marry her to get what he wanted without risking a war I suppose.

posted April 09, 2014 08:17 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I don´t like Herakles.
He wasn`t that much better than Nessus as a matter of fact, in his personal relationships at least. Oh yes, he protected Deianira from nessus, that is right, so I see the protective side of Heracles.

But on the other hand, he killed his wife and children before in a fit of rage; he raped the princess Auge (and God knows who else).
He won Dejanira in a wrestling match. Well, he had been overcome with frenzied passion,b ut Dejanira was well protected due to her origin, and so he was forced to marry her to get what he wanted without risking a war I suppose.

heracles might have been heroic in some instances, but he had his dark sides, certainly. One of them being his lack of selfcontrol.

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posted April 09, 2014 09:41 AM              

No, not all Greek heroes/ gods/ demigods were rapists and adulterous, though most were. lol
Just shoes that where there is light, there also is shadow, and jsut because someone is strong and brave, does not need to mean he is flawless. Or even nice/ kind.

posted April 09, 2014 12:27 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Interestingly one of the gods who aren`t known to have raped anyone and who stayed faithful to their consort, was EROS/CUPIDO/AMOR.
I always found that intriguing.

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That's interesting, yes, if you think about it.
On the other hand, who can be more in love when in love than the God of Love?

posted April 09, 2014 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Seems significant. Not so sure what the Draco-Tropical one means, but the Vx-DW, well I suppose the meeting/ encounter will reek of Tristan symbolism. Without Isolda he was quite a loyal, witty, cunning knight btw. so it is not all bad I suppose, and actually he was in deep conflict between the loyalty to his uncle (Isolda`s husband) and his passion for her.

Eventually he left her, and married someone just because she was having the same name. but when he became sick, he was asking for *his* Isolda, as she was a great healer as well; Isolda hurried to help him, but when her ship arrived and Tristan asked his wife if it really was her, but overcome with jealousy his wife lied to him, saying it wasn´t her coming to his rescue.
He died with a broken heart, thinking Isolde had never forgiven him and stopped loving him, stopped caring and would not even come to his aid on his deathbed.
Isolde meanwhile came into the room, just a few minutes after, found the love of her life dead, and died herself of a broken heart.

They were buried side by side, and it is said that from his grave grew a vine and from her grave grew a rosebush. As they reached toward heaven the vine's and the rosebush's branches intertwined with one another.

Not sure what to make of the opposition from Draco to tropical though.

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... and Fate's DR-ISOLDA = my TR-TRISTAN/ISOLDA. Wow. Damn. 0º05.

The reason I started looking them up is that 'you' told me to. Now before you go, ' ... I did?' Kinda.

I had a dream about 4 nights ago in which I woke up with a few discussions from the thread; but one of them hadn't happened ... here. It was you and I talking, and then I was looking up TRISTAN and ISOLDA.

Needless to say, when I did the following day, realising something was telling me to ... oh, yeah. I found some things.

I certainly do grok that myth. Sadly. I think we both left (from whence wherever we've come) with betrayal and misunderstanding. THAT I can feel.

It's different with my costar. His is more betrayal and regret. But the jury was out as to whether or not he'd do it again. Because old habits are hard to break. And when you're talking about that which has formed over a lifetime - or maybe a few - doubly so.

So I do think the TRISTAN-VX might point somewhat to that. We were faced with some complicated choices. We've stayed true to our word, though.

Perhaps the opposite to ISOLDA was indicative of that particular betrayal. I'm not sure.

posted April 09, 2014 03:18 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
That's interesting, yes, if you think about it.
On the other hand, who can be more in love when in love than the God of Love?

That's why I tend to interpret Cupido as a point where we fall in love (where we strike our arrow and receive one, the moment, the manner; also having sex-appeal if in aspect with personal planets) - unlike the general trend which considers Cupid more of a fling sign - Valentine, I interpret as our romantic nature, how strong it is and HOW do we behave when in love. And Amor, for me, is our greatest love, the love of life. Eros, as usually, full of many meanings.

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I do think that the asteroid Cupido is often underestimated, but am not entirely sure about it either. lol

In my own chart Cupido is on 19.54 Leo in 8th house, loosely opposite Moon on 17.06 Aquarius, and contraparallel Psyche, which is too far for an opposition (24 Aquarius). I still think it is important.

However its most important link might be the trine to Chiron on 20.02 Aries.

I find it also interesting that Mr Sag has his chartruler Neptune on 20.28 conjunct CUPIDO on 21.40 Sag, so this conjunction completes a GT with my own Cupido and Chiron.

It also always strikes me how in the composite both AMOR and CUPIDO are exactly conjunct the NN - all three being on 20 Libra.

Amor representing more the compassionate love part, Cupido more the desire part probably. I do think Cupido has a charming playful vibe to him, but that doesn´t necessarily mean he is shallow.

posted April 09, 2014 03:44 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I do think Cupido has a charming playful vibe to him, but that doesn´t necessarily mean he is shallow.

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Yes, because Cupido might mean how we tend to "flirt" to approach our "target" when stricken by Cupid's arrow. (by projection)

posted April 09, 2014 04:36 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
... and Fate's DR-ISOLDA = my TR-TRISTAN/ISOLDA. Wow. Damn. 0º05.

The reason I started looking them up is that 'you' told me to. Now before you go, ' ... I did?' Kinda.

I had a dream about 4 nights ago in which I woke up with a few discussions from the thread; but one of them hadn't happened ... here. It was you and I talking, and then I was looking up TRISTAN and ISOLDA.

Needless to say, when I did the following day, realising something was telling me to ... oh, yeah. I found some things.

I certainly do grok that myth. Sadly. I think we both left (from whence wherever we've come) with betrayal and misunderstanding. THAT I can feel.

It's different with my costar. His is more betrayal and regret. But the jury was out as to whether or not he'd do it again. Because old habits are hard to break. And when you're talking about that which has formed over a lifetime - or maybe a few - doubly so.

So I do think the TRISTAN-VX might point somewhat to that. We were faced with some complicated choices. We've stayed true to our word, though.

Perhaps the opposite to ISOLDA was indicative of that particular betrayal. I'm not sure.

Still looking for, and paying closer attention, to those which tick off of that 32N TISIPHONE. Because how often do two people have an exact parallel of an asteroid THAT OOB?

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So I told you? Interesting. lol

BTW one part of the legend always makes me especially sad. They would have had a chance to be together.

Actually they were both banned from court and left together for the wilderness, where they were free and loving each other, but without social acceptance, far away from court.
It turned out that it was not enough for either of them, so when King Marke was on a hunt and was near their place, they tricked him into believing the accusations of adultery were unjustified (they arranged it so that he found them bogh asleep but with a sword between them, which was said to mean there had no intimacy taken place).

The King forgave his wife and she returned to court and Tristan left the country.

posted April 09, 2014 05:00 PM              

Also reading on the book was describing the sacred marriage ritual of the Oak King and the Oak Queen.

"each year at midsummer a marriage feast of the oak queen and oak king was arranged in which six vestals coupled with six of the oak king`s twelve companions. This promiscuous lovemaking took place in the darkness of a sacred cave so that nobody knew who lay with whom nor who was the father of any child. The rite was again repeated at the feast of Saturnalia."

I stumbled across this, cause the week or maybe 10 days before crossing path with Mr Sag I had this dream of a sacred marriage ritual (though it was a little different to this description), in either IReland or England.

I also recalled, or imagined or I don´t know what, something like that in Sumeria/Chaldaea, but the Druidan one came first. I mean the dream came first. lol

Interestingly my natal VESTA is exactly conjunct Stonehenge and also conjuncts Chaldaea, and on top of it is conjunct BODA, which means marriage in spanish. (oh and tristan and knight and eva and gilgamesh. lol)

As for the SAturnalia, I found it intriguing as the Saturnalia started on 17th december with an official sacrifice, but the 18th december and 19th december the families were having their own domestic rituals, and after that the official celebrations continued.
And my birthday is on 18th and his on 19th. LOL

posted April 09, 2014 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
What about Orcus conjunct South node exact?

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Here's all I could find that's relatively applicable on ORCUS. Hope it helps.
http://astropost.blogspot.com/2011/04/transit-orcus-contracts-and-oaths.html?m=1

posted April 09, 2014 05:19 PM              

Hi, Ceri, how was this sacred marriage dream? if it's not too intimate

posted April 10, 2014 07:27 AM            

I feel completely in limbo here... Like I can't contribute anymore...like nothing in this thread really applies to me. It just doesn't make sense all the findings we all found that seemed to be markers now all of a sudden don't apply to me anymore...

posted April 10, 2014 08:34 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Here's all I could find that's relatively applicable on ORCUS. Hope it helps.
http://astropost.blogspot.com/2011/04/transit-orcus-contracts-and-oaths.html?m=1

Is it natal or synastric - or composite?

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