posted April 10, 2014 09:11 AM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
Hey Indigo- just wondering if you had a chance to study the charts at all?

I feel completely in limbo here... Like I can't contribute anymore...like nothing in this thread really applies to me. It just doesn't make sense all the findings we all found that seemed to be markers now all of a sudden don't apply to me anymore...

I mean the stars don't lie right? Yet...It just seems pointless for me to look for anymore connections.

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Why don`t they apply to you anymore?

BTW I think most of us are a bit under the Grand Cross. At least I feel like it, though I do not even have planets in mid cardinal signs, Well I do have Draconic Sun on 15 Aries though.

and our composite Venus is on 16 Cap and composite Pluto on 15 Libra, might be affected.

anyway, judging from the silence here, it seems like either people are really busy or tired.

posted April 10, 2014 09:23 AM            

And Uranus is starting to drive me mad, at last. All things electric are starting to act weird around me and the battery of my laptop has gone, and 2 days later the same happened with the battery of my phone. Grrrrr....

posted April 10, 2014 09:36 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yes, because Cupido might mean how we tend to "flirt" to approach our "target" when stricken by Cupid's arrow. (by projection)

Your Cupid in Leo should point out your attraction to performers. It also shows that you fall hard, with all your heart, and maybe "glow" in a leonine fashion when it happens.
But in the 8th house: you would be secretive and cautious about your infatuation, even suspicious. Your Moon in Aquarius would be "heated" but still "rationalize" like an Aquarius Moon. Psyche enhances the impact of falling in love for you, the idealization. Chiron might show you would be easily hurt by rejection but at the same time, that falling in love has a healing effect on you, enhancing the house where Chiron lies.
Just rambling here

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posted April 10, 2014 09:37 AM              

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Originally posted by Selene:
I feel the grand cross as well. I have Mercuruy @12'50 Libra, Venus @14'20 Libra and 7HR Neptune @11'50 Capricorn. I feel so stressed and irritated, don't know what to do. And for no reason, literally.

And Uranus is starting to drive me mad, at last. All things electric are starting to act weird around me and the battery of my laptop has gone, and 2 days later the same happened with the battery of my phone. Grrrrr....

On top of all of that, our composite Sun is also affected by this grand cross - it is @12 '40 Capricorn, just on my Neptune, his Jupiter and his DSC. It couldn't be much harder, now could it.

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Oh it could always be worse.

posted April 10, 2014 09:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Oh it could always be worse.

However sounds like a handfull already.

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posted April 10, 2014 09:42 AM              

Mars: 05 Cancer
Uranus 04 Aries
Pluto: 05 Cap
Juno 04 Libra

and it connected to my natal chart in startling ways. my natal:

Venus: 06 Capricorn
IC: 05 Aries
(Pluto: 09 Libra)

And to Mr law´s chart as well
his

Sun: 7 Cap
Pluto: 4 Libra
MC: 8 Libra

Well, as far as I can remember, I`ve had the time of my life.
it was really one of the best trips I`ve ever done (also met a friend there, who happens to have natal Moon on 7 Cancer. lol)

posted April 10, 2014 09:45 AM              

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Originally posted by Selene:
I actually hope that this grand cross would really have some changing effect on that composite Sun of ours, and change our relationship from being friends to something more.

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Yes, grand crosses, and dynamic aspects can really make things happen.

And they are bound to shift, I can feel it in my marrow. We are actually still in the calm before the hurricane, but it will happen.

posted April 10, 2014 10:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Why don`t they apply to you anymore?

BTW I think most of us are a bit under the Grand Cross. At least I feel like it, though I do not even have planets in mid cardinal signs, Well I do have Draconic Sun on 15 Aries though.

and our composite Venus is on 16 Cap and composite Pluto on 15 Libra, might be affected.

anyway, judging from the silence here, it seems like either people are really busy or tired.

(and I never even realized before that the composite Pluto is opposite my Draco Sun )

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Well....yeah....I get the grand cross thing...but in my case since I just got done with the whole idea that Cusp and I aren't TF's....which is fine, I kind of feel like "what more is there to analyze" ya know? I mean, I guess I can keep looking in my chart for markers that point to me being a TF..and all..whatever.....but I think we kind of established those already.

posted April 10, 2014 11:12 AM              

But usually my interest in astrology is resparked again.

Well, to me the point is not even to find definite markers to conclude he IS my tf or not, but to figure out what his specific purpose in my life is and the specific nature of the connection.

Do you know what I mean?

posted April 10, 2014 11:14 AM              

Though honestly I have felt a little jaded, too. Busy hectic life in my job, coupled with the last performance having been so long ago.

posted April 10, 2014 11:29 AM              

I just wrote that and the song on the musical radio changed, and now they are plying a song from his solo album.

THIS one (yes message received )

"JONATHAN
Why do we play with fire?
Why do we run our finger through the flame?
Why do we leave our hand on the stove,
Although we know, we're in for some pain?

Oh, why do we refuse to hang a light,
When the streets are dangerous?
Why does it take an accident,
Before the truth gets through to us?

Cages or wings,
Which do you prefer?
Ask the birds

Fear or love, baby
Don't say the answer
Actions speak louder than words

Why should we try to be our best
When we can just get by and still gain?
Why do we nod our heads

MICHAEL and JONATHAN
Although we know

MICHAEL
The boss is wrong as rain?

JONATHAN
Why should we blaze a trail
When the well worn path Seems safe and

JONATHAN and SUSAN
So inviting?

SUSAN
How, as we travel, can we

JONATHAN and SUSAN
See the dismay
And keep from fighting?

JONATHAN MICHAEL AND SUSAN
Cages or wings, Cages or wings,
Which do you prefer?
Ask the birds Ah:

ALL
Fear or love, baby
Don't say the answer

JONATHAN MICHAEL AND SUSAN

Actions speak louder than Louder than, louder than:
Words

What does it take
To wake up a generation?

ALL
How can you make someone
Take off and fly?

JONATHAN
If we don't wake up
And shake up the nation
We'll eat the dust
Of the world wondering why

SUSAN
Why do we stay with lovers

SUSAN and JONATHAN
Who we know, down deep

SUSAN
Just aren't right?

JONATHAN
Why would we rather

ALL
Put ourselves through hell
Than sleep alone at night?

JONATHAN
Why do we follow leaders who never lead?

MICHAEL
Why does it take catastrophe to start a revolution

MICHAEL and SUSAN
If we're so free?
Tell me why

JONATHAN
Someone tell me why
So many people bleed

JONATHAN MICHAEL AND SUSAN
Cages or wings, Cages or wings,
Which do you prefer?
Ask the birds Ah:

ALL
Fear or love, baby
Don't say the answer

JONATHAN MICHAEL AND SUSAN
Actions speak louder than Louder than, Louder than,
Louder than, Louder than

ALL
Cages or wings,
Which do you prefer?

JONATHAN MICHAEL AND SUSAN
Ask the birds Ah:

ALL
Fear or love, baby
Don't say the answer

JONATHAN MICHAEL AND SUSAN
Actions speak louder Louder than, Louder than
They speak louder Louder than, Louder than
Actions speak louder than words!"

posted April 10, 2014 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Well....yeah....I get the grand cross thing...but in my case since I just got done with the whole idea that Cusp and I aren't TF's....which is fine, I kind of feel like "what more is there to analyze" ya know? I mean, I guess I can keep looking in my chart for markers that point to me being a TF..and all..whatever.....but I think we kind of established those already.

Do you see what I'm saying? I don't know..that's just my feeling..why keep looking for markers/patterns?

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tgem, I've been meaning to comment for a few days now, but I don't know if my input is welcome. I'll do it anyway and hope for the best

The letter you wrote was... struck me as cold. There, I've said it. I know that you said that you wrote it in heartbeat, and that is a sign that it did express everything that you felt at the time. But if you had hurt me badly while I was falling in love with you, a letter saying you 'have feelings' would angry me even more. At no point did you tell him that you were madly in love with him. Men are simple, they need it spelt out.
The way he dealt with it shows a lack of class. Personally, I would have beaten him with a stick. Yes, literally. But the reason might be the one I just wrote.

He might or might not be your TF, he might be a soulmate or just someone random in the big play that is your life. But you are a beautiful person and you will come out ok from this, I'm sure.

posted April 10, 2014 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Hey Indigo- just wondering if you had a chance to study the charts at all?

I feel completely in limbo here... Like I can't contribute anymore...like nothing in this thread really applies to me. It just doesn't make sense all the findings we all found that seemed to be markers now all of a sudden don't apply to me anymore...

I mean the stars don't lie right? Yet...It just seems pointless for me to look for anymore connections.

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I agree the composite was very close - even as it was missing a few of the things which I'd consider it a lock. Doesn't mean it doesn't apply - means we've got a different animal here. Trick is identifying it. For, say, proper care of feeding.

Curiously, what drew me most was your dual SUN-UNION conjunctions. Points near the SUN are identifying features. It says to me that there's a profound similarity there, and it has to do with the human need to connect.

Does this make you very high level Soulmates?
Was he a Guardian - putting you on your path?

Never knock either of the above, remember. As Ceri said, she'd rather have whatever gives her the best experience of true love. (In a manner of speaking - I bungled the words, but I think that was the gist.)

Cheers to that! You deserve the same.

I'm thinking it's possible that he very well may be your Twin Flame, but certain features in the composite are missing which determine that THIS is the life in which you reunite.

'But if I'M a Twin Flame, doesn't that mean I'm HERE to DO that?'

That's what we're all trying to determine now. Interesting theory posed by Zeyven Blackwell - who ... my logic says, 'Oh, please.' But something else ... my soul? My soul tends to nod and think, 'yes, this is true.'

He wrote something quite speedily which also harkens from The Lachesis Theory, which is, obviously, a variation on The Graduate Theory.

He surmised that the highest level and most tightly bonded Soulmates, those who are so capable of love and compassion - that they're the 'frontline'.

Then, 'if necessary', he writes, to activate the Twin Flames.

( ... I know, it's a bit 'go-go-gadget karma,' but - bear with me. I see his point.)

The key of 'activation' is intriguing.

It makes me think we can look at the basic overall patterning of a chart and go, 'Oh, yes. Twin Flames.'

But are they ACTIVE Twin Flames?

Is there a pair - or a dozen - Soulmates on the planet right now doing their level best to achieve THEIR end of the deal - before it goes into 'red zone' and YOU take over?

AND ...

... Are you one of them?

Think about that for a moment. IF you're ALSO here with high-level Soulmates, then it's kinda important to clear that first rung, right? Similar to a video game. Why on earth would we think we're ready for Level 42 if we haven't even cleared those up to Level 12? Level 42 will crush us!

But more than that ... what of everyone else along the way? There to provide advice? Insight? From whom we're to learn lessons? Balance karma? Settle old debts? Be READY for those advanced levels?

Perhaps there's something to this 'activation' theory. Perhaps we all felt the '2012 Rush', so to speak, (I know I did. October 2011, I felt an insane drive to reconnect with him; but by September 2012, it was evident that there was too much 'undone' before we got to THAT point) and now it's time to accept the fact we weren't ready for some things.

I thought yesterday, 'she's not going to be here much more since she feels nothing applies to her,' and hoped that you don't feel that. I was compelled to create this thread, which has become a sort of 'convergence point' for all of us - for a reason. I 'built it'. You guys came. That's not coincidence. Maybe a bit of providence, in fact.

So, yes, I AM going to study your charts. It's possible that you, like me, have some major outstanding karma to attend to, and 2012 made us all feel like we could skip all of those levels. We can't.

Something that Mel said that I DO agree with, wholeheartedly, is 'why don't they WAIT?' There's such a mad rush. We all want to be there NOW. I admire the courage, tenacity, and PATIENCE of Ceri. She's able to remind me, in her way, to be patient and have faith.

All right, enough pre-coffee / insomniac morning soapboxing. (I didn't sleep much last night. Following posts should explain why. A LOT clicked last night for me. And, believe it or not, Fate was not the subject. Just me. Just my 'path'.)

And, for the hell of it, since my iTunes decided to throw this one at me today ...
http://youtu.be/z7Eu4pTGtVM

Always thought those two songs 'belonged together'. But it took more than two decades and a young Filipino couple to make it happen.

posted April 10, 2014 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
Yes, i also found it. It is in synastry, his Orcus is exactly on my SN. My Orcus exactly on my Moon. Interesting, because i know that we were married for a long time in our last incarnation together. And if Orcus is a god of broken oaths, that should mean something if conjoined the south node..

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Yes, it would seem you're settling something.

Is anything else involved? Is there a configuration? A Yod to which its pointing?

posted April 10, 2014 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Why don`t they apply to you anymore?

BTW I think most of us are a bit under the Grand Cross. At least I feel like it, though I do not even have planets in mid cardinal signs, Well I do have Draconic Sun on 15 Aries though.

and our composite Venus is on 16 Cap and composite Pluto on 15 Libra, might be affected.

anyway, judging from the silence here, it seems like either people are really busy or tired.

(and I never even realized before that the composite Pluto is opposite my Draco Sun )

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Ohh, yeah. Like a Mack truck.

Actually, looking at WHAT's getting hit makes me wanna slap myself and hang a big 'DUH' sign ... somewhere. Somewhere that I can look at it every day.

SUN at 19º LIB 13.

I'd swear my Draco's being hit, too, (VENUS/ASC) but 20º ARI is too out there to be much affected by 13º.

THIS was the 'a-HA!' moment.

My TISIPHONE at 11º CAN.

I know what you're thinking. That's an awfully wide orb. I agree. My TISIPHONE is also considerably OOB. It may not take much to ruffle her feathers.

It hits my DR-MARS 1º. Heh. Well, there's THAT ....

The H-COMP-LACHESIS is exactly 13º ARI. ( ... Excuse me while I sh*t myself.) With H-COMP-MERC at 13º CAP. ( ... oh, goodie.)

DR-COMP-SATURN is already at 10º ARI - just 1º off of his N-SATURN, mind. (The TR-SATURN is 07º CAN; conjunct his N-SUN and my N-LACHESIS 1º. Lovely, no?)

BUT WAIT - THERE'S MORE!

The answer to 'why is Indigo going insane?'.

But for that, I'll REALLY have to introduce you to some lesser known Harmonics which are a staple of Vedic astrology (Jyotish).

The D60, the D30, and the D11.

BEFORE YOU GO PLUGGING THEM INTO ASTRODIENST - A WORD OF SERIOUS WARNING.

The patterns, connexions, and interlinkages I've found amongst these three with each other, the Draco, the Helio, and Geo-Tropical charts, synastry, and composites ... is ... astronomically statistically improbable.

YOU WILL GET ANSWERS HERE.

Almost like a flashlight suddenly switching on full-beam, the illumination will overwhelm you.

For those who have already determined thematic patterns and configurations, the things you can see in these three divisional charts ... it'll seem unreal.

So ... prepare yourself. But, again, you MUST ALREADY HAVE SEEN A THEME across the Tropical, Draco, and Helio systems. Otherwise you won't have the 'a-HA!' moments these divisional charts can provide.

posted April 10, 2014 02:42 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

And, for the hell of it, since my iTunes decided to throw this one at me today ...
http://youtu.be/z7Eu4pTGtVM

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Oh Indigo, THAT song!
You have no idea how much I feel it. That is how I felt about Mr SAg, irrational I know.
The second one, that one hurt. It was how I felt about my guardian soulmate, oh so long time ago.

So weird just yesterday I was compelled googling the friend I once knew, whom I experienced the first awakening with. The strangeness, the psychic occurences. She was a bit too much "out there" from the normal world, for me to be able to share it for longer with her than, well, than I needed to, apparently.
For a time, people, including our parents, would refer to us as the "siamese twins" but she had to go her own way, as I had to.
Much drama, actually I experienced in this friendship more emotional drama than some do in their relationships.

Anyway I actually googled her yesterday and as it turns out she became a schaman. I admit, it fits.
I am just glad she is doing okay (I wasn`t quite sure she would survive, to be honest).

posted April 10, 2014 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Oh Indigo, THAT song!
You have no idea how much I feel it. That is how I felt about Mr SAg, irrational I know.
The second one, that one hurt. It was how I felt about my guardian soulmate, oh so long time ago.

So weird just yesterday I was compelled googling the friend I once knew, whom I experienced the first awakening with. The strangeness, the psychic occurences. She was a bit too much "out there" from the normal world, for me to be able to share it for longer with her than, well, than I needed to, apparently.
For a time, people, including our parents, would refer to us as the "siamese twins" but she had to go her own way, as I had to.
Much drama, actually I experienced in this friendship more emotional drama than some do in their relationships.

Anyway I actually googled her yesterday and as it turns out she became a schaman. I admit, it fits.
I am just glad she is doing okay (I wasn`t quite sure she would survive, to be honest).

How strange thta I was thinking of her just yestrday, over 20 years after we last saw each other.

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Yeah, the combination - the medley - has a very TF vibe to it. Even high-level Soulmate, but mostly TF - the two in conjunction.

It's funny you say that. I've a few soulsisters like that buzzing around me. Apparently I need more help than most.

I know exactly what you mean, though. The balance is what becomes trickiest - and yet, most essential. Too out there, and you're just TOO weird. TOO off. Or, if you're swinging in the other direction, like I was for so long - you're too disbelieving, TOO hard-nosed, TOO naysaying. It's about striking that balance.

posted April 10, 2014 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The 11th chart really keeps cropping up lately.

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... someone REALLY should've informed us - ALL of us - that the 11H is about death, destruction.

The Rudramsa. RUDRAmsa.

Seeing that, it was like a gong going off. And resounding ... for a very long time.

I don't think all D11 charts are going to coincide with the D30 and D60. But the D9 is MUCH more in line with investigating soul / dharma models.

posted April 10, 2014 03:16 PM              

Death/ Destruction though is just a quite dramatic expression of the necessary transformation. Well we toss that term around as if we actually like it, but whenever you are within the transformation-period, it doesn`t feel nice. You have to leave behind a shell you had grown comfortable with (be it your physical life or even just a conception of life that just isn`t right anymore).
What isn`t needed, isn`t true anymore, gets burned away. So far so good, and the end result is finding the fire of truth. But heck, the unnecessary skin is being BURNED away, it freaking HURTS.

It is not mean to be easy - breezy, it is meant to cut so deep that you will never forget and that you will not have the chance to cling to the old anymore, becuase humans tend to only REALLY transform, when the very ground beyond their feet gets pulled away. It is part of our journey. Katharsis. But no, it is not a walk in the park, or a picnic in the sunshine.

and most scary, we do not know what awaits us on the other side of the River Styx. We don`t. HEnce we stay at long as we can at the familiar side. Until we can`t stay there anylonger. Until staying there cost us so much more than we can imagine could await us over there. THAT is when we burn all bridges behind and leave for the unknown.

THAT was the point IW as at the week before enrolling with the Weight Watchers. I KNEW staying on the same side of the river as I had been for years and years and years, would result in my death. It was totally clear to me, and for one enlightened moment, I knew, the choice was mine. in that ONE moment. Live or die.

I chose to live, maybe for the very first time I consciously chose to live, even if it meant that a part of me HAD to die.