posted April 13, 2014 07:34 AM            

In my case it's:

my Mars opposite his Uranus exact

my Mars squares his Venus exact
his Uranus squares his Venus exact

my Moon trines his Uranus exact
my Mars trines my Venus exact

my Moon quincunx his Venus 1
my Venus quincunx his Venus exact

posted April 13, 2014 07:49 AM              

1st: me to Jude

ASC trine Mars exact
MErcury trne Mars (2)
ASC conjunct Venus (1)
Mercury conjunct Venus (1)

--- so my ASC-Mercury was triggering his Venus-Mars-trine from Gem to Aquarius, with the ASC-Venus-conjunction probably the "hook"

DESC trine KARMA (1)
DESC trine EROS
DESC trine JUNO widely
KARMA trine KARMA exact
KARMA trine EROS
KARMA trine JUNO widely (3)

the KARMA_KARMA-trine is interesting as I have KARMA On 0 Sag, he has it on 0 Leo - a new step in the karmic cycle, though not a total overhaul (neither is on 00 Aries -though actually the composite KARMA would be on 00 Aries - so maybe, yes total new cycle starting).

PSYCHE trine KARMA (2)
PSYCHE trine JUNO
PSYCHE on 2 Aries trine EROS on 2 Leo exact

naturally this means that this one is tied to both KARMAs as well.
It is not a conjunction or opposition, but having Psyche and Eros in an exact aspect, and also tied to both KARMA-asteroids is certainly something to spend one or two thoughts about.

Looking rather beautiful actually, possibly relating to an important soulmate-experience at least.

Chiron conjunct KARMA (2)
Chiron conjunct EROS exact
Chiron conjunct JUNO
Chiron opposite Mars

So my Chiron gets all the conjunctions from his fat stellium there, the one having its say about karmic romance, marriage and well, sex.
Seems to have been a rather intense experience, but with the Chiron-Mars-opposition possibly painful as well.
I think that karmic make up with my Chiron there relates tome not having any kind of defense system. I have a bit of a different take on Chiron, as i think it relates to vulnerability and the inability to grow "skin" to keep the outside out, it might be just because my own Chiron is in 4th house, but htat is how I experience him. And actually only what can get under your skin can hurt you AND heal you.

In this astrological make up though I am not so sure all that much healing took place. Chiron in aspect to sexual planets, is usally a big attraction factor, but as I said, getting under your skin.

Here in this instance something else figures in though.

All of his stellium, Karma, EROS (exact), JUNO, Mars squaring my VALENTINE.

Simply said sex is not love.
It is probably not a coincidence either, that of all the objects involved it is the aspects to his EROS that are exact.

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As for how Patrick relates to this pattern in my D60, well not really all that strong. Very weakly. At least it does not combine with one of his basic patterns.
Not like Jude`s D60 did (though a Grand Cross or T-square involving Karma and Chiron, I am pretty sure I can do without it in htis incarnation. lol)

Anyway, his DEJANIRA and AMOR seem to play a bit of a role here.

my KARMA on 00 Sag squaring his DEJA on 00 Virgo
No clue really. But interesting how it happens on the very beginning of degrees.

his AMOR (and VESTA) trine my ASC.
his AMOR also closely opposes my PSYCHE (and sextiles my Chiron of course).

It looks a little more soothing. The AMOR-PSYCHE is interesting).

posted April 13, 2014 07:50 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by Selene:
No, Diamond is made of one opposition, 2 squares, 2 trines, 2 quincunxes and 3 sextiles.

In my case it's:

my Mars opposite his Uranus exact

my Mars squares his Venus exact
his Uranus squares his Venus exact

my Moon trines his Uranus exact
my Mars trines my Venus exact

my Moon quincunx his Venus 1
my Venus quincunx his Venus exact

my Mars sextile my Moon 1
My Moon sextile my Venus 1
My Venus sextile his Uranus exact

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posted April 13, 2014 08:08 AM              

My 2nd pattern to Jude`s D60
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my Venus conjunct his DESC (1)
my Venus conjunct his Neptune (1)
my Veus square his Sun exact

my Pluto conjunct his ASC (2)

--- so my venus-Pluto-opposition overlaying his relationship axis, which looks certainly interesting.
Can`t help but feeling like m PLuto on his ASC might have ben quite intense and either immensely hypnotic or appalling. lol
With Venus angular to his chart AND on his Neptune, I suppose there was some kind of "glamouring" going on (we actually have that in our natal synastry still. Just in reverse my Neptne on his Venus).

my AMOR trine his Neptune exact, which looks nicely compassionate and spiritual.

my Moon trine his ASC exact
my Moon on the apex of a Yod with his Sun and Mercury

oh and my ARTHUR trine his Sun.

This one looks much nicer than the first on, though keeping in mind that my Venus-Pluto-opposition is of course vulnerable to still creating drama, esp with Pluto on his ASC, but I suppose Neptune could go a long way to colour the power mechanisms in a fairy-dust-like-pink-light. lol

how Patrick relates to that pattern is decidedly more challenging.

my Venus square his ASC exact
my Venus square his VALENTINE (2)
my ASC square his Moon
my Venus conjunct his NESSUS exact

Right there, the Venus-Nessus-conjunction demands attention. on 7 Aries.
He seems to have been a bit of an obsessive character karmically speaking (NESSUS square ASC-VALENTINE-Moon), and my Venus got RIGHT into this forcefield.

Well I prefer NESSUS-Venus to NESSUS-DEJANIRE, especially with Venus in the sign of Aries. Makes me recall that Venus originally was the goddess of "love and WAR", not at all fragile and not defenceless.
anyway still NESSUS-Venus, okay, some kind of obsession going on. And how interesting that since my Venus falls onto Jude`s DESC, of course Patrick`s NESSUS also conjuncts Jude`s DESC.

Continuing with the aspects

my AMOR trine his NESSUS

my Pluto squares his VALENTINE (more compulsiion and obsession, just that probably in this case I was the obsessed. lol)

but my Pluto also trine his Mars-LANCELOT (1-2 degrees).

Also interestingly, my Moon conjuncts his Mars (1) and conjuncts his LANCELOT on 6 Aquarius exact.

and my ARTHUR conjunct his GUINEVERE-Chiron and his JUNO on 4-6 Scorpio.

of course that means that my Moon squares his Guinevere-Chiron.
and that my ARTHUR squares his Lancelot-Mars.

Aditionally my ARTHUR trine his ASC-VALENTINE closely and thankfully his GUINEVERE conjuncts my VALENTINE (quinkunx my ASC).

There is definitely quite an ARthur-Guinevere theme going on, with Lancelot thrown in. lol

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3rd pattern, my Uranus-VESTA-conjunction

nothing in Judes D60 relating to it.

AS for Patrick

his NN conjuncts my Uranus-VESTA and his Pluto-Mercury is trine it

all nicely in

posted April 13, 2014 08:33 AM              

in relation to Jude:

my Saturn squares his VALENTINE (1)
Saturn opposite KARMA (3)
Saturn conjunct AMOR (1)
JUNO square VALENTINE exact
JUNO opposite KARMA (2)
JUNO conjunct AMOR (2)

Sun trine Moon (1)
Sun opposite AMOR exact

Neptune conjunct Moon (1)
Neptune square VESTA (2)

looks like some spiritual and also karmic love going on (Neptune-Moon, Saturn-Amor, Juno-Amor). Interestingly it is HIS Amor triggered here, did he love more personally?

But whatever at the same time ther seems to have been serious love-marriage-karma. Almost like love could not be sustained within a marriage. My fault? With my Saturn squaring his Valentine, it looks almost like I rejected any kind of romantic feelings on his side, though there was compassion there and a strong glue.

in relation to Patrick:

Saturn trine Sun exact
Saturn trine Vesta (2)
Juno trine Sun (1)
Juno trine Vesta (1)

EROS conjunct Sun (2)
EROS conjunct VESTA on 29 Virgo exact

Sun conjunct Venus (1)

Neptune rine Venus (1)

This looks more smoothly, more harmonious.

LIke always the conjunctions are the focal points, so here:

EROS-Sun
EROS-VESTA
Sun-Venus

It seems that compared to the comparision with Jude, there was a strong attraction here on my side.
I also find it intersting how the EROS-VESTA happens on 29 Virgo, JUST before embarking on a new cycle, crossing over to 00 Libra. but 29-30 Virgo is a VERY spiritual Sabian, focused only on the task at hand. VESTA - sacred fire- EROS about sexual things certainly.

Where are Juno, UNIOn, BODA and STonehenge?

Oh yeah right, my JUNO trined the conjunction. lol

With my BODA conjunct his JUNO exact
STONEHENGE on 29 Cancer sextile this EROS-VESTA exact, and opposite my JUNO.

his UNION on 28 Aquarius quinkunx the conj. (and actually emphasises our exact opposition of true Lilith from 28 Aqua to 28 Leo in D1)

his BODA on 00 Leo on my STONEHENGE, and naturally sextile the conj. as well (and yes on my Chiron, I got that covered. lol)

his STONEHENGE on 25 Taurus - ouch, to near to Algol for my taste. lol
a bit too far to be considered trine to 29 Virgo though.
(I should checke these in composite though)

Additionally my BRIEDE is on 27 Cancer conj. Sun and STonehenge and sextile this Eros-Vesta-conjunction.
his GROOM on 25 Sag is again a tad too wide.

Nevertheless, possibly this made me think about that sacred-marriage-thing again.

posted April 13, 2014 08:38 AM              

in relation to Jude:

my DEJANIRA on 10 Taurus sextile his ARTHUR 11 Cancer
DEJA opposite NESSUS on 11 Scorpio
DEJA trine Uranus on 10 Cap.

Well, do I really havet o talk about my DEJANIRA opposite his NESSUS?

as for Patrick`s chart triggering my DEja.

DEJA opposite JUNO (1)
DEJA sextile ARTHUR exact
DEJA trine Moon (1)
DEJA trine Saturn (2)

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lastly I noted some of the major soulmate pairings.

with Jude:

ISIS on 2 Virgo trine OSIRIS on 00 Cap
SIVA on 27 Virgo conjunct PARVAT on 24 Vg
PARVATI on 9 Cap square SIVA on 8 Libra
PSYCHE on 2 Aries trin EROS on 2 Leo

with Patrick:
PSYCHE on 2 Aries opposite AMOR on 3 Libra
ARTHUR on 6 Scoprio conjunct GUINEVERE on 4 Scorpio
ISIS on 2 Virgo opposite OSIRIS on 2 Pisces
Pluto on 4 Libra square PERSEPHONE on 4 Cancer
TRISTAN on 13 Scorpio conjunct ISOLDA on 11 Scorpio

oh and KAALI on 17 Taurus conjunct KAALI on 17 Taurus.

Interesting how Jude`s NEssus falls right onto the Tristan-Isolda-conjunction.

So that is about it for the D60 chart.

posted April 13, 2014 08:40 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Ohh, yes. Welcome back, Lavender! We've been BUSY. Heck, we might have a whole new method for you to explore, too!

What'd you miss? Lessee ...

Ahem. Lemme put on my best TV recap VO voice ....

Last time on ... Twinflame Astrology on Lindaland ...

• Ceri continues the battle of Jude versus Mr Sag. Who will win? Who's the Twin Flame and who's the Guardian Soulmate? Decisions, decisions .... Though, she will be seeing Mr Sag performing soon, and that Cardinal across is promising a few fireworks ... Do the answers lie in the past-life recalls involving the three of them? Maybe her D60 can shed light on these karmic relationships ...

• tgem returned with a crushing blow: a handful of trusted psychics and empaths saying that Cusp isn't it. Even with sharing her heartfelt letter, his suspected betrayal of her trust has led to a lengthy period of estrangement which may not end anytime soon. But the astrology holds some intriguing clues. We're all pretty sure tgem is a Twin Flame, but that Cusp may not be - or simply isn't here. What's next?

• Despite Internet craziness, Michelle pops in to say things are going unusually well with New Guy, who we discussed somewhere around page 100. We're beginning to wonder what this makes Jace ....

• Morph stumbled upon her birth certificate - and found her time was off by an hour and a half! She's been reincorporating and reevaluating - as expected.

• And, of course, iQ dropped by to remind me that I've no escaping Fate. I might as well face it, he's my Twin Flame. Unconditional love is a good approach to take.

• But I've been delving into just what a Guardian Soulmate REALLY means on the Twin Flame / Graduate journey.

• As well as 'devising' a new cross-system method drawing from Jyotish and Tropical. Real 'East meets West' cooking here. That remains in development with some staggering revelations.

• Biggest personal hurdles? Accepting a spiritual destiny that impacts thousands - even millions, and the increasing likelihood that my Guardian Soulmate is also my killer from the most recent incarnation - maybe more. Thank goodness for unconditional love! :dramatic chord:

• I also shared a photo of my parents along with synastry. They'll have their 40th anniversary 8 June. We all 'aww'd'.

• I also found that one of my oldest soulsisters has a composite that mimics mine and Fate's. Are she and her girl Twin Flames? The jury's out.

• We've got a few new additions to the TFA family: Astro keen is in and out, LeeLoo has become a regular contributor, and Selene is sharing her insights. Some of their astrology is outstanding, but a couple of charts have been done. We determined high level Soulmates at first brush. Now we're evaluating likelihood of Guardian Soulship.

• The Guardian Soul thread is going, even if we're still spending 80% of our time here.

• Gabby has been swallowed by a black hole. We hope you're okay, Gabby! summerlite is in and out, as is Delilah. They've both shared fantastic insights from their relationships, though.

• We've definitely refined our methods and I updated the front page to reflect these findings.

... and that's what you missed on ...

[b]TWINFLAME ASTROLOGY!

How'd I do? [/B]

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posted April 13, 2014 11:59 AM              

Neptune - Kuma 0.00
NESSUS - Polaris 0.01
SIVA - Zuben Elakribi 0.02
ARTHUR - Sulaphat 0.02
Moon - Sualocin 0.04
APHRODITE - Algorab 0.05
Sun/Moon-mp - Sulaphat 0.05
AMOR - Dschubba 0.05
Avx - Sulaphat 0.06
PARVATI - Al Jabha 0.06
(also near Regulus 0.49)
OSIRIS - Facies 0.07
Venus - Kaus Borealis 0.08

NESSUS on Betelgeuse 0.12
NN - Kuma 0.13
Uranus - Miaplacidus 0.15
RUDRA - Alioth 0.20
Mercury - Aculeus 0.23
Vertex - Gomeisa 0.23
DESTINN - POllux 0.25
VESTA - Alnasl 0.27
CUPIDO - Ras Elased Australia 0.27
KARMA on Rigel 0.28
PSYCHE - Sado 0.28

Sun - Aculeus 0.30
PROSERPINA - Atria 0.30
Pluto - Vindemiatrix 0.31
ADONIS - Izar 0.32
Isis - Facies 0.36

posted April 13, 2014 12:34 PM              

ISIS conjunct OSIRIS exact
PSYCHE in Aquarius contraparallel CUPIDO in Leo
SIVA quinkunx KAALI (2 dgrees)
PROSERPINA quintile Pluto exact

and for me personally

TRISTAN square ISOLDA exact (Isolda on IC, Tristan conjunct VESTA-STONEHENGE-BODA)

GINEVRA novile LANCELOT exact

also:

ARTHUR conjunct my AVX and Sun/MOon-mp exact
ARTHUR opposite my EROS exact
ARTHUR square my Chiron exact

GUINEVERE conjunct SPIRIT exact

LANCELOT trine JUNO exact
LANCELOT trine Saturn exact

GINEVRA conjunct Sun on GC exact

I also have an exact ODYSSEUS-PENELOPE-opposition with PENELOPE falling right onto 12th house cusp.

ARIADNE almost conjunct BACCHUS (8 and 13 Scorpio)
ARIADNE on the antiscion of DIONYSOS

JUNO almost conjunct Jupiter (16 and 11 Pisces)

Leo/Aquarius:

CUPIDO in Leo
PSYCHE in Aquarius

PRIAPUS in Leo
LILITH in Aquarius

and of course also Moon in Aquarius
DIONYSOS in Aquarius

Gemini/ Sagittarius
SN, DESC, KARMA,INANNA, KAALI in Gemini

posted April 13, 2014 12:47 PM              

Uranus sextile VESTA exact

Neptune conjunct Mars
Neptune conjunct ASC
Neptune conjunct ATLANTIS
Neptune conjunct LUST
Neptune conjunct ANGEL
Neptune conjunct POSEIDON
Neptune conjunct NN exact
Neptune sextile HERA exact
Neptune square ZEUS-Jupiter
Neptune sextile PALLAS exact
Neptune square CERES
Neptune opposite KAALI wide (2-3)
Neptune square RUDRA wide (2)

Pluto conjunct MC
Pluto sextile ASC
Pluto sextile NN
Pluto sextile LUST
Pluto sextile ATLANTIS, ANGEL
Pluto sextile LUST
Pluto square Venus
Pluto square ISIS-OSIRIS
Pluto trine PALLAS exact
Pluto trine HERA exact
Pluto quinkunx ZEUS-Jupiter
Pluto quinkunx CERES
Pluto quintile PROSERPINA

I find these alignments interesting:

posted April 13, 2014 01:01 PM              

ISIS/OSIRIS conjunct Venus
ISIS/OSIRIS conjunct SPIRIT

EROS conjunct Saturn wide (4)
EROS conjunct Vertex exact
PSYCHE sextile Sun (1)

SIVA trine Saturn
SIVA trine JUNO
RUDRA square ASC
RUDRA square NN
RUDRA trine SPIRIT
KAALI conjunct SN (2-3)
KAALI conjunct KARMA (3)

INANNAEN conjunct SN
INANNEN conjunct KARMA
ADONIS conjunct UNION exact

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ARTHUR conjunct Antivertex exact
ARTHUR conjunct Sun/Moon-mp ex.
ARTHUR opposite EROS exact

GUINEVERE conjunct SPIRIT exact
GINEVRA conjunct Sun exact

LANCELOT trine JUNO exact
LANCELOT trine SAturn exact
LANCELOT square Moon exact
LANCELOT quinkunx KARMA exact
(also conjunct SIVA and MOIRA btw).

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ISOLDA conjunct IC
ISOLDA conjunct ALMA
ISOLDA trine Mars
ISOLDA trine AMOR
ISOLDA square BODA

TRISTAN conjunct VEnus
TRISTAN conjunct BODA
TRISTAN conjunct VESTA
TRISTAN square IC

I forgot Juno-Jupiter, Hera-Zeus:

JUNO square KARMA exact
JUNO trine Saturn exact
HERA trine DESC (2-3)
HERA trine Pluto
HERA sxtile NN exact

Jupiter and Zeus are conjunct, so

posted April 13, 2014 01:52 PM              

Now it`s "She`s like the wind". Let`s wait and see what is up next. lol

ROFL
I got bored, so I checked out Lancelot`s 60th harmonic chart. He is an ARies, too. Aries used to be quite a soft-spot-sign for me (right there with Sagittarius and Capricorn. lol)

Funny enough his D60 GINEVRA conjuncts my D60 LANCELOT.

I am quite happy to see though that this is pretty much all. lol

Well, at least if we do not take into consideration that we have a one degree KARMA-KARMA-conjunction in normal synastry, with our KARMA being trine my Moon exact, square my JUNO Exact and his Pluto trine my Moon exact, trine our KARMA exact, square my Saturn exact, quinkinx my JUNO exact.

Interesting

The man has an EROS-PSYCHE_conjunction natally in Aquarius, luckily far far away from my and Patrick`s PSYCHE. Phew!

His ISIS on my IC squaring my ISIS-OSIRIS-conjunction with his OSIRIS on my chartruler, sextile it within one degree.

Oh and just for complicating things his RUDRA conjuncts my KAALI on our KARMA-KARMA_conjunction (naturally in Gemini in my 7th house. lol)

Seriously though I think the true soulmates here might be him and Patrick.

they share

Mars opposite Venus
Juno conjunct Jupiter
Jupiter quinkunx Juno exact
ISIS square OSIRIS exact
OSIRIS conjunct ISIS
ISHTAR conjunct ADONIS
SIVA conjunct PARVATI (3)
RUDRA square KAALI exact

*scratches had* oookay. lol

posted April 13, 2014 02:11 PM              

Would someone kindly cast their eye on the list below and perhaps venture a guess on how soul matey it is. Could it be the guardian (garden ) variety, or high-level (?), or just a heavily karmic something?

I've selected the most significant ones (or so I think) in an effort to keep the list short:

SYNASTRY

Sun/Asc DW

Juno square Pluto DW

Juno/Zeus DW

Karma trine Pallas DW

Compassion conj Uranus DW

Kaali trine Moon (0) DW

Penelope conjunct Sun (0) DW

Lancelot conj Eros (0) DW

Guinevere conj Saturn (0) DW

Utopia conj Chiron (0) DW
Lillith /NN (0) DW
Anubis/ Giza DW
Kleopatra/Vesta DW

Moons conjunct

His Moon (17.13) and Chiron (14.39) on my DC
 (13.49)
His Anteros and Devine conj my Asc

His Angel conj my IC (1)

My Angel trine his Alma (1)

My Alma conj his Saturn (0), trine Uranus (0)

My Valentine conj his IC (0), sextile his Karma(1)

His Valentine trines my Saturn and Union (1)

My Venus conj his NN

SOULMATE PAIRINGS:

My Ariadne (6.21) conj his Bacchus
 (8.9)
His Arthur (8.55) conj my Guinevere (8.41)
His Penelope (1.50) conj my Ulysses (29.59) and Sun (1.35)
My Penelope (18.50) conj his Sun (17.35)
My Dionysus (0.32) opp his Ulysses (1.9)

What's missing:

Eros/ Psyche

Sun/Venus (in both Synastry and composite)
Isis/Osiris conjunction present only in Helio (I have Isis conj Osiris in my chart) but the parallels look more promising.

posted April 13, 2014 03:17 PM              

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I need orbs for everything, like the Moon-DESC, what is the orb? Or the soulmate pairings?

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posted April 13, 2014 03:29 PM              

quote:

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
The latest investigations in this thread are way over my head now. I gathered a few things earlier and then updated my aspects and posted in the OTHER thread. No response, so I'm posting here.

Would someone kindly cast their eye on the list below and perhaps venture a guess on how soul matey it is. Could it be the guardian (garden ) variety, or high-level (?), or just a heavily karmic something?

I've selected the most significant ones (or so I think) in an effort to keep the list short:

[b]SYNASTRY

Sun/Asc DW

Juno square Pluto DW

Juno/Zeus DW

Karma trine Pallas DW

Compassion conj Uranus DW

Kaali trine Moon (0) DW

Penelope conjunct Sun (0) DW

Lancelot conj Eros (0) DW

Guinevere conj Saturn (0) DW

Utopia conj Chiron (0) DW
Lillith /NN (0) DW
Anubis/ Giza DW
Kleopatra/Vesta DW

Moons conjunct

His Moon (17.13) and Chiron (14.39) on my DC
 (13.49)
His Anteros and Devine conj my Asc

His Angel conj my IC (1)

My Angel trine his Alma (1)

My Alma conj his Saturn (0), trine Uranus (0)

My Valentine conj his IC (0), sextile his Karma(1)

His Valentine trines my Saturn and Union (1)

My Venus conj his NN

SOULMATE PAIRINGS:

My Ariadne (6.21) conj his Bacchus
 (8.9)
His Arthur conj my Guinevere 

His Endymion conjunct my NN 

My Selene sextile his NN

Penelope/Ulysses/Dionysius

What's missing:

Eros/ Psyche

Sun/Venus (in both Synastry and composite)
Isis/Osiris conjunction present only in Helio (I have Isis conj Osiris in my chart) but the parallels look more promising.

COMPOSITE:

IC at GC

Virgo ASC conj Mars, Eros, Sun, Osiris, Apollo, Prosperina
Asc 22.43

Prosperina 23.23

Osiris 24.0

Apollo 24.9

SUN 24.35 (square Parvati at Gem 24.35)

Penelope 25.20
Samadhi conj Pluto at 29 Leo (12th)

Kaali conj Karma and Union (0)


Alma conj Juno (1)
Eros conj Mars (0) trining Kaali/Karma/Union

Sekhmet conj Venus (1)

Spirit conj DNA (1)

NN conj Aura

Valentine quintile Moon (0), sextile vertex (1), Pallas (0)[/B]

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Hi, Astro Keen

What about the aspects between planets, planets and angles pointing to a love relationship?
I think you should list these first, they show the "theme" of the relationship.
Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars and all the other combinations involving outers.
They are the backbone of any relationship, after that we can look at asteroid aspects, IMO.

posted April 13, 2014 04:47 PM              

In the meantime, I add the synastry and composite below. I had posted these before, so please bear with the repetition.

posted April 13, 2014 05:32 PM              

I'll tell you what I see, based on the "skeleton" of the relationship, so to speak, which are the major aspects between personal planets, angles and rulers.

It is certainly a love encounter with a strong impact, especially for the inner Venus person(magnetized by the NN person) - the fact that it is a love encounter is shown by the Grand Cross involving Venus/NN/ plus IC/MC axis and AC/DC - MC/IC axis with Sun and Moon, Sun opposite Moon, Moons conjunct. Suns on ASC. This is the major, strongest pull of the relationship.

Unfortunately, to me, there isn't a strong enough web of aspects to sustain this magnetic attraction: like trines, oppositions. There are a few sextiles though, but I'm not sure it is enough. The weak point of the combination is that the Venus of the outer person is not sufficiently aspected (except for a Saturn sextile and maybe Venus) and this Venus is the ruler of houses 7th and 8th, so the houses themselves are not sufficiently activated. Plus, the interception of the outer person is not activated and there are no Saturn to luminaries aspects.

Luckily there is a Saturn Sun sextile in the composite, but a little bit too wide, IMO. Saturn is conjunct NN, showing karma and at least some lessons to be learned, also showing that this relationship can become very stable if certain things can be overcome, things that require time and a lot of work. But that Saturn is intercepted (as ruler), so it's not a certainty the people involved would want to invest so much in this relationship after all. Mars (on ASC) as ruler of the 8th house shows an erotic relationship, but it is in the 12th house: perhaps there is something hidden about this relationship? Or maybe a sexual relationship is not possible?

posted April 13, 2014 06:32 PM              

But I don't think your relationship is an old one, more like a new one to me (in terms of souls traveling through time). In order for it to be a reunion from the past you need at least one planet or maybe a karmic asteroid on at least one of the SN. No planet on the composite SN either. In the composite, Sun in 12th or ruler of the chart in 12th or at least Moon or some Neptune show a karmic, soulmate reunion. What you have in your 12th house is more like huge hidden energy (like Jupiter hidden, maybe joy is not easily accessed? or feelings of insecurity?). Pluto on the 12th house cusp - maybe triggering deep hidden issues. Also, did any of the people involved lose a partner?

posted April 13, 2014 07:04 PM              

Personally I think there will be strong Pluto-influence. I mean if they are meant to lead us, prepare us, bring us to our transformation, there should be some pLuto. lol

I suppose there might be some strong karmic aspects as well, Saturn, KARMA, and probably especialy the challenging ones. Nodes, too.
Chiron. He was a teacher after all.

But actually I do not know what I am talking about. lol

As for the 12th house, I see it a little different. Not always secret.

However often it seems that the people involved are not at all conscious about the energies in 12th house, while the outer world might see it quite clearly. 12th house romances might be intended to be secret, but usually the only ones not seeing what is there clearly, are both partners. the 12th house can be OUR blind spot, it is not the blind spot of others around us.

planets in the 12th house have the habit to pop up suddenly, like coming from out of nowwhere. With Mars in 12th house, the more aggressive feelings and urges, from sexual feelings to real anger, can erupt very suddenly, and pretty much unexpected for the two of you.

However, whenever two people are alone with themselves, they have a much better chance to connect to the 12th house planets.

I have a natal Mars in 12th house - for years I would simply deny I was having aggressive feelings, and anger (never mind the nightmares about wild animals biting me - well I dreamed of one last night, a white swan, biting me. have you ever heard of a white swan biting your hand? lol- but years ago I would regularly dream about people trying to murder me, even of vampires adn the likes - Mars in 12th. lol).

At the same time other people around me experienced me as quite assertive and energetic, something I thought I was lacking. That is the 12th house for me.

Anyway I Think in your case there is a strong soulconnection, as LEeloo pointed out, the interconnection between the cardinal angles and the luminaries is just making for a core-connection.