posted February 09, 2014 03:14 PM              

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Originally posted by Insilver:
I hear you.

I've seen some pretty hefty egos around LL... quite patronizing... who appear to get off on the praise and requests, perhaps forgetting how it is to be new to learning astrology. A lack of sensitivity at times (as is in every community) which puts me off sharing/questioning/contributing much, tbh.

*ain't nobody got time for that*

Could be my Aries Chiron opp Uranus exact in the 11th is not helping.

However I've encountered much friendliness and assistance from the humble & generous souls here, which I am very grateful for. This place is an amazing treasure trove of info... I mostly do what I did before joining.... read read and read. lol

I enjoy reading your posts LCS, they're interesting.

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I agree,
there are a lot of very knowledgable individuals on here whose insights I've found to be very helpful.
I really admire their integrity and humbleness.

But there's a lot of negativity on this site as well, almost every day there is some kind of drama going on lol.

posted February 09, 2014 03:15 PM              

And no worries Ceri, I didn't mean you.

posted February 09, 2014 03:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Although I know you mean well, Indigo
I just feel you are judging me merely on the fact that I am younger than you--and therefore you think I may be naive, inexperienced, unaware, and don't know any better.

Me and you had different experiences in our lives at age 19 and prior to that.
Our life paths and soul purposes aren't made from cookie-cutters.
Everyone's life experiences and soul agendas differ.
Just because some individuals may have gone through their awakenings in their mid-years or later on in life, it doesn't mean it'll be the same for everyone else. It has already happened to me when I was 13/14.

But all that aside,
since when is age even a factor anyway when it comes to spiritual transformation/coming across one's soul-connection?
It can happen to anyone at anytime and any age, whenever the higher self intends to brings forth that experience in one's life.

In fact, its becoming more and more common now for younger individuals (those born in the late 80s/early 90s) to go through these awakenings/kundalini experiences as well, so that they may prepare for their future spiritual work/purpose.

And again, I know you and everyone else on here have good intent and I really DO appreciate you giving me advice.
But I just wish you would keep a bit of an open mind as well and not be so quick to make assumptions about me or anyone.
I am capable of sound judgement myself and healthy scepticism.
(After all, I am a Virgo Sun & Mercury with a lot of Saturn aspects lol).

And no, I'm not implying that I know everything at this point either or that I am enlightened.
I obviously still have a lot to work through and a lot to learn.
But please, don't assume that just because I'm "young" and he is who he is, that my experience is only a temporary silly obsession and a lesson, because it is not.

Maybe if I was more closer to your age and he wasn't an artist/performer but a "normal" person, you would think otherwise and perhaps be a little more open and accepting?
But I know what I've been through and that's all that matters to me.
You may not understand because you aren't in my shoes, you have your own experience, I have mine, and that's OK.

Trust me, I have natal Venus square Neptune so I know first hand what an unhealthy fantasy/illusion feels like, I've already been through those in my more younger days.
Plus I have plenty of Virgo and Saturn aspects to help me clearly differentiate between what's practical reality and what's not, what's fantasy/illusion and whatever "this" is with Virgo guy (which is something else all together).
I can't describe it in any way, other than that it has given me a sense of deep, profound meaning and purpose. It has allowed me to see the world, life and love through different and "newer" eyes.
It feels uplifting, heavenly, and Devine.
It gives me hope, faith, and allows me to strive to become a better individual, to work on my fears/insecurities and grow, as opposed to the previous connections which were extremely draining and unhealthy.
Those were what you would call obsessions/karmic connections/unhealthy one-sided attachments/fantasies, NOT this.
Sort of reminds me of the Ariadne–Bacchus/Dionysus myth, a story which I identify with very much.

Anyways,
I never asked for this, and nor did I ever want to feel this way about him in the first place. I simply just got curious as to why he felt so familiar, why he reminded me of myself so much and why we shared all those freaky similarities--from having the same birthday to looking alike and other spooky stuff.
And things just unfolded naturally from there.
Within the whole process my previous belief systems dissolved and ALREADY made a 180 degree turn. Things have changed a lot since then, I have come a long way and am still continuing to go through cycles of changes.

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Please understand me, Crystal. You'll learn much if you simply listen here. Frankly, I don't have a lot of control over these things, either. That being said:

Your age benefits you, but it isn't what I'm speaking of here, your actual youth - though it must be taken into account.

I'm sure all of us have been metaphysical since our youth. I was born into it. I just wasn't ready for the tremendous responsibility that it would provide me.

That being said, if you don't make yourself known to this artist, in an age where people who'd never have even known of each other can freely meet, then there is something holding you back. Period.

Is it fear? Uncertainty?

I'm suggesting it may be inexperience that hinders you here. You may want to take the advice of those who've 'been there' and see what they offer.

I can tell you, from a purely psychic point, that if you do not act soon, this won't happen. Your 'right timing' is an illusion, an intellectual game you're playing with yourself so that you don't have to act.

You've mentioned you're both VIR SUN. Have you run your composite? I forget. There's something to a high concentration in a composite, and I can't tell what it is yet. That's something I'm studying heavily, as it pops up more often than not. So far, the signs I've seen represented are Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, and Capricorn. I'm involved in 4 of the 5. The Capricorn is two artists who I feel will be greatly impacting upon the world.

Forgive my being taciturn or tetchy. I become impatient at times. I don't like being questioned. That may be why I'm here now, a Libran, with Virgo and Scorpio prominent. It's teaching me to be analytical, weighing all possible elements, and to have the passion to follow though.

But my Aries Draco is strong at times, when I'm supposed to impart information. If it's well-received, all is well. If it isn't, I can get a bit domineering. The BML-PLUTO kicks in.

Please understand this doesn't come from the conscious but unconscious parts of myself.

Make an effort to contact this artist before the Sun crosses the Aries Point, or forget it.

posted February 09, 2014 04:06 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

Make an effort to contact this artist before the Sun crosses the Aries Point, or forget it.

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What do you mean by that...?

Composite

posted February 09, 2014 04:08 PM              

can you put your helio composite here, too?
And could you include Alma (390), Spirit (37452) as well?

posted February 09, 2014 04:19 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lavender,

can you put your helio composite here, too?
And could you include Alma (390), Spirit (37452) as well?

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Helio Composite

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posted February 09, 2014 04:41 PM            

THE GUARDIAN SOUL

When those souls were selected to be what we now consider Graduates, and to return to Earth, they did not arrive alone. That would be foolish. The most time we had with our Twinflames was in council. We were forbade contact outside of that. Why, I do not know. My mother knows, I suspect, but she cannot tell me. There is pain in her eyes. She knows much more than I do, and it upsets her.

Moving on.

The Guardian souls were chosen by gauntlet. They are brave, wise, and with a powerful integrity. They have endured many trials with the Graduate to whom they were assigned, and would be considered a form of 'soulmate' in common parlance. But this does a disservice to the immensity of their nature.

Guardians may, but are not required to be, from the same soul-family. Indeed, they are our brothers and sisters many times, but they could just as easily have been foe that has since been made friend across several incarnations. ('Several' is best taken in orders of magnitude, so to speak. At least it's a favoured phrase she uses, 'orders of magnitude', always being the scientist. She takes comfort in that. I don't begrudge her. There are many impostors, many fakes, many lies she must sift through in order to find the others. Science, it would seem, is her measure. Over time, she will trust more in those forces she does not see. For now, she will be guided by that and use her 'science' to validate or disprove her findings. I'm not sure why we chose this, but it has been useful.)

Continuing.

Once the Graduates become Twinflames, (here, we called them Doyens, as they preside over the sacred Zodiacal energies; they have since been translated into many other terms which are equally valid, so long as the original meaning is not lost). Once these returning souls, these chosen to bring forth the fourth dimension, the unwinding of the time spiral, the rebirth of the transcendental, primal nature - again, it goes by many 'names' - once they return, they do so with many who will protect them.

They are their Guardians.

'Twinflames' (as they seem most regularly called) will not share each other's Guardians, though it is not uncommon to find there to have been prior soulmating between them. In rare cases, those with the highest charges will be tasked with both. Again, it is uncommon, but not unheard of. They are almost always going to be tied to those of Atheian, Atavian, or what is known here as one form of Atlantean, lineage.

This is less due to the members of the family requiring protection and more so with needing help. Earth is a rather large place. The future has given rise to brilliant connecting technologies. It is still a big job.

So some Twinflames will play the role of Guardian, while most will be Guardian souls and not Twinflames. In the case of the former, their proximity to another Twinflame increases likelihood they will successfully reunite. But it is not guaranteed.

All right.

What is a Guardian soul? Many things.

Her own Guardian soul has ranged from hated enemy to beloved friend. He shares ties with her Twinflame, or, better stated, the Graduate to whom she is bonded, and with whom she returned. For these reasons, there is a linkage between her Guardian and her 'Twinflame'. He himself is not a 'Twinflame'. He would have 'graduated' but his is a troublesome story. Theirs is a strange connexion. To be 'forbidden from Ascension', as it were, is a much longer topic than what can be discussed here.

Nonetheless, he has pledged his devotion to her cause and chosen to return as her Guardian.

Oh, there's a business about Graduates having no karma. This is being misinterpreted. A misnomer. Allow me to clarify.

'Graduates' do not share personal or 'special' karma. They have sorted it out, and are returning for a specific purpose.

Now. Graduates, from what I've seen, most certainly have 'karma' (what you'd call karma) with soulmates. There's a reason, part of the selection process, as to why a Guardian is chosen. It appears to me that several Twinflames share special karma with their Guardians.

Why could this be?

Much longer discussion. The short of it stems from the purpose of Ascension. It's no cut-and-dried thing. Some have chosen to continue elsewhere, others have simply 'gone through the curriculum', as it were. Both types are among Twinflames. I do not know how many are here at present; I can tell you that only Twelve were in council. They have a higher ranking, it would seem. They were chosen selectively.

Their Guardians are larger in number.

Many Twinflames will go about their Earthly evolution by encountering many soulmates along the way. The closer they become to reunion and achieving their individual purposes, the Guardians will appear. Some have been there since youth; these are companion souls, in the New Age tongue. Often, twin souls, of the same family, created at the same moment 'in time' (although there isn't, really). They are brothers and sisters through better or worse. They are family.

Their roles as Guardians becomes clear later. They do not share unresolved karma with the Graduate to whom they are linked.

The Guardians who do share unresolved karma will bring lessons essential to the evolution of the Graduate. They have returned both to clear this karma, this 'good enough' to leave, in hopes of a more 'perfect record'. Souls may return any time they choose. They do not disappear. They do not become lost to a void (unless, of course, they do - but that is another subject). It is much like your education here. It is 'standard' for the youth to become indoctrinated and informed and matriculate. Some may hang about longer to become better at their 'subject'. It is no different.

These souls were prepared, uniquely gifted, having reached a level of expertise, that they were selected to return. Simple as that.

Their Guardians are similar, though they were still 'in school'. They were choosing to gain better expertise, while others focussed elsewhere, or simply felt a calling to other dimensions and universes. It's not uncommon.

But now they are back. And any bad blood that remains from that last go-round is going to be front and centre. It MUST be cleared. This will free the Guardians from the service they have chosen, and allow both to return - once it has been achieved.

I hope that brings a bit more clarity. Understand, the articulation is not the easiest in this tongue. These concepts are beyond the scope of the human brain.

Recall this:

The soulmates with whom there is special karma will stun you with intensity. The universal forces are encouraging this karma be cleared. There must be love. As it is with all the rest, there must be love.

Once the karma is cleared, and whatever is to be done is completed, these bonds lose their urgency. They become quiet and settled. Much like a relationship that has progressed through time. Attachment replaces the intensity of infatuation. It is no different.

You will likely be confused by the nature of your relationship with your Guardians, should you be a Graduate.

Use those methods of divination and understanding awarded you to find insight. Listen to your soul. It knows. Most commonly, relations with Guardians will be intense and unyielding before the reunion with the Twinflame. Each has a special mission and purpose here. I am aware of and can tap into this, but I try not to. It's bad form.

All are to go through what they have set out to do.

As a rule of thumb, presume you are in the presence of a Guardian and cherish the contact. Learn from it. Understand you MUST do this before reunion. Treat it no less than the work with your Twinflame, or you will be failing in your purpose here. Don't be foolish.

All matters. All counts. Be discerning, stay aware, and talk to each other. Communicate. It's up to you to help one another.

You won't do this alone. You're here FOR each other. Don't forget that.

That's enough for now. She's had enough. I can tell.

posted February 09, 2014 04:45 PM              

I seem to notice that in the helio there usually is tight harmonic patterns, closed circuits in relationships that usually are considered soulmate relationships, or extremely bonded.

I say soulmate relationships, cause i don`t want to jump to conclusions about twinsoul-composites.

However, I am absolutely certain (one of the few areas, I might be a bit uncompromising) that twinsouls WILL HAVE a very condensed helio composite picture.

What exactly "condensed" means, well, might be several possibilities. But honestly if it looks frazzled, we are probably not looking at a twin soul composite.

If two souls have a purpose together, this purposedness will reflect in the helio composite (and hoepfully in the geocentric as well).

While I asn`t too certain looking at your tropical one, the helio composite at least looks like there is a purpose to it (whatever that purpose might be, I am not yet ready to say this is karmic, soulmate, companion or twin soul material - simply because I am still gathering data).

You can see how you have a T-square of Earth opposite Jupiter squaring Mercury - so a 4th harmonic pattern, pointing at Mercury. Mercury will definitely have to do with your purpose together, which is apt for him being an artist.

What puzzled me though was the lack of planets on fixed stars - they usualy come up as well.

However, I was too quick, you DO have an Uranus-Neptune-conjunction framing the fixed star VEGA, right in the constellation of Lyra.

Dazzling!

Vega is actually relating - among other things - to arts and music!
http://darkstarastrology.com/vega/

Your Uranus-Neptune-conjunction is the arrow oint of a Spirit-Pallas opposition. So another 4th harmonic pattern.

A third 4th armonic pattern combines Saturn-Chiron-Eros. I am less than thrilled seeing this one actually, but maybe Eros is the way to break up the holding pattern of Saturn-Chiron here.

Pluto-Alma-conjunction is very intense, intense transformative soul-resonance. But it seems to be rather isolated. Not sure what to make of this one. Well it squares Atlantis, that probably sais something here.

I am wondering though why there is such a preponderance of 4th harmonic patterns here; it is the most dynamic aspect of all, but just as it provides a lot of energy, it might be a rough ride.

That link of venus to Earth/Moon and Jupiter looks most promising though.

BTW what is Persephone/ PRoserpina doing?

I would like her to be on about 21 Aries. Or alternatively on 21 Capricorn

Not so much on 21 Pisces, though it might work, too.

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BTW I don´t need to tell you what you think or what you feel.

I was merely trying to describe what I see in your composite.

posted February 09, 2014 05:09 PM              

I would check the heliocentric composite, too, for this. Always wanted to mention it on the thread.

As a matter of fact IQ did so, too, when doing my composite and at least one other I know of.

posted February 09, 2014 05:22 PM            

There's been great misunderstanding between 'us', and I'd like you to know that I harbour no ill will. I've no reason to. You're a capable astrologer with insights that run counter to her own. This happens. She's more sensitive than she lets on, and is doing the best she can given the impulses which originate from me. She's not taken my guidance until recently, and has suffered hell for it. But the time is ticking onward here, and she's had little choice but to listen.

Perhaps you and I can arrive at a truce? That being said:

You crossed 'my' mind today.

Your suggestion that Graduates would have charts that are splayed in all signs.

This is logical, but it's not found to be the case. Draconic, perhaps. Rather there appears more concentration. In the Tropical. She's hypothesised (science, yet again) that it points to the greater mission they hold. This concentration allows for a better focus, perhaps.

I would suspect your theory, regarding the even spacing or placement of all signs represented to be in either Draconic or, I've heard, Helio?

Ceridwen, let me say that your insights are phenomenal. I'm continually amazed. It comes from a place beyond your human scope, and it's felt. Please do not be afraid to connect to that great reservoir within you. The heavens have a direct link into your consciousness and vice versa. Use this. It's there for some purpose.

tgem, we don't know each other well, and yet I feel we do. There's something within you that speaks to me. One has suggested you are a healer; they are correct. This is a powerful gift of yours, and you are to share it freely. Do not fear anything. It's all right. The man you've spoken of ... it goes beyond my present understanding. But you were with us, both of you. How, I don't know. Your contributions were extensive. You're here because you're needed. Be strong and don't be afraid.

I'd like to be here for questions, but she's struggling with keeping up. I'll let her rest. I'll also insist she keep these lines of communication open. She knows you are important, many of you. But she doesn't know how just yet.

That's all for now.

Crystal, I saw that you provided the charts. Thank you. They'll be needed. Before I go, understand I only wish to guide you. These women here will teach you so very much, and I'm here if you should need, if she'll listen to me.

posted February 09, 2014 05:24 PM              

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Originally posted by summerlite:
Lavender's chart

composite Atlantis cjt Kaali (Regulus) seems important too.

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Yes, I meant to mention it but somehow forgot it. lol

Sorry, sorry.

posted February 09, 2014 05:27 PM              

Thanks for your analysis.

Thats very intriguing about the fixed star Vega, I never heard of it before.

Also, the Helio Pluto–Alma conjunction falls on the Tropical Composite IC as well and conjuncts my n. NN, if that means anything.

"I am wondering though why there is such a preponderance of 4th harmonic patterns here; it is the most dynamic aspect of all, but just as it provides a lot of energy, it might be a rough ride."

Yes, it is very intense indeed.
But then again with 4th harmonic energies, there comes a great deal of growth as well I guess.
Its not easy at all, you're definitely right about that.

"BTW what is Persephone/ PRoserpina doing?
I would like her to be on about 21 Aries. Or alternatively on 21 Capricorn
Not so much on 21 Pisces, though it might work, too."

Its on none of those degrees lol.

In the Trop. Composite:
Persephone is on Gemini 0° (PLEIADES!)
Proserpina is on Gemini 24° (Near the Galactic Center)

In the Helio Composite:
Persephone is on Taurus 12°
Proserpina is on Gemini 5°

"BTW I don´t need to tell you what you think or what you feel.
I was merely trying to describe what I see in your composite."

I understand that, and I highly appreciate you taking the time to do that.
Ty again
Atleast now I have somewhat of an idea of what the astrological energies imply.

posted February 09, 2014 05:41 PM            

@Ceri- your insights are always awesome...always. Blessings.

posted February 09, 2014 05:43 PM              

Thank you for sharing.
It will take me a while to process all that you wrote.
It does speak to me.

Though I have to say I apologize for my behaviour earlier, of accusing you for judging me like that.
I WAS acting out of fear, you were right.
I guess I need to work being more open myself and not getting so defensive so quickly.

I am willing to be receptive.

posted February 09, 2014 05:55 PM              

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Helio Composite with Siva, Parvati, Osiris, Isis added
(Kaali's not showing up for some reason but its on 25° Leo)

posted February 09, 2014 06:02 PM              

You also mentioned something about a condensed chart.
I would like to hear your opinion on these Davisons too please, if you have the time. Would they be what you call condensed?

Tropical davison
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Helio davison
(Kaali is on 28° Aquarius)
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I notice with this one, Mars and Atlantis are joining Uranus and Neptune as well on Vega.

posted February 09, 2014 06:11 PM              

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Originally posted by summerlite:
Lavender's chart

composite Atlantis cjt Kaali (Regulus) seems important too.

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This conjunction falls on his natal South Node and my natal Spirit too.

posted February 09, 2014 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
iQ said composite planets or love asteroids conjunct fixed stars can mean a soulmate or twinflame possibility. In particular, Vega and Pleiades.

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In Tropical composite we have vesta conjunct 2Lib by 1
Juno conjunct GC by 2
Pallas conjunct Spica by 1

posted February 09, 2014 06:37 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
There's something to the SUN and MOON being conjunct in a composite. I know it. I just don't know what. I suspect it has something to do with reunion. But it's significant. When you see it in the composite of Twinflames (which I feel can be an indicator) it's significant. I just don't know how yet.

My head is killing me. I'm going to rest. I'll be back after awhile.

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