posted January 29, 2014 04:31 AM              

youw rote:

"In this life we have also shared a profession"

In their book about Twinsouls Joudry and Pressman pointed out that this is often the case, even a pointer to twinsouls, either having the same profession or complementing ones.

They listed some twinsoul couples; out of the top of my head I remember

- Robert Browning and Elizabeth Barrett Browning (poets)

- Pierre and Marie Curie (scientists)

(actually I was quite flabbergasted when I checked out the Curie-synastry)

posted January 29, 2014 04:46 AM            

The parallel lives, though most of our lives we have been thousands of miles apart, the uranus/venus connections...but there are other connections in the synastries that make it plain that we would likely have bruised each other if we had tried to "couple" in any normal, acceptable way.

posted January 29, 2014 04:50 AM              

Asteroid Karma doesn't do much in our synastry, so I didn't include it in (though they are tightly square one another if that means anything).
But it makes sense to me why I see no major asteroid Karma links... I don't feel that we have any karma at all to be honest, it doesn't feel like unfinished business or lessons to be learned.
It does feel very destined, fated and "meant to be" though, I've experienced numerous crazy crazy coincidences with this guy... They were just too freaky and surreal, which made me hungry for answers.
I wanted to just know "WHY?!... WHY THIS?!... WHY HIM?!!!"
And that's how I first became interested in astrology too because I wanted to know the reason for this connection and why I felt and experienced all that I did.
It does feel as if I have known him all along even though I never even talked to this man.
I guess the Vertex action in our synastry could explain this.

Here's some of the Vertex aspects we share

His Vertex conjunct my Descendant 0°
His Vertex parallel my Descendant 0°01
His Vertex square my NN 3°
His Vertex antiscia my NN 1°
His Vertex parallel my NN

posted January 29, 2014 04:55 AM              

My Destinn is in Sagittarius 27°12, conjunct my Vertex in Sagittarius 25°22 and his Kama in Sagittarius 26°20.

posted January 29, 2014 05:11 AM              

Awww this made me smile lol
I know exactly what you mean. I also see him in my reflection...
We have the same eyes, same "look", same facial features and facial expressions, even when I look at my hands, they look exactly like his but mine are more feminine looking lol.
I would think — how can a man who is from a different culture than me and different part of the world be so LIKE me.
It feels like we are two peas of the same pod lol.
At first I thought I had really lost it, until a few of my good friends noticed this similarity too and commented on it.

This "mirroring" thing is not just in our looks too but in our personalities, ways of thinking and little quirks as well.
We also have some complementary stuff going on, such as him growing up in a more supportive environment and with more freedom and less strict parents, while in my case it was the complete opposite.
And status wise; he's more "out-there in the spotlight" if you know what I mean while I prefer to stay hidden lol.

Our natals and synastry is full of mirroring and complementary patterns too.
I have to say that astrology has helped me understand things a lot better.
One thing I have learned though is that whatever "this" is, the logic mind will fail to comprehend it.
But apart from that I'll be honest and say that I don't really have any "solid" physical evidence or answers, other than me and him, what I feel, my own inner knowing and intuition, my experiences, the spiritual phenomenon pertaining to him, the countless bizarre signs and synchs, as well as resonating with others' experiences who have met their TFs.

posted January 29, 2014 05:22 AM            

i didn't really believe in it but then i did feel like someone was my TF. it felt less a desperate yearning for that connection.. and a kind of depth to it as if had interchanged many roles maybe through lifetimes. i'm not sure if it was as it may just have been such a different person to me and a different way of relating but it was the first time i considered them possible. it also does make me feel a sense & bridging of us all being one. difference & sameness being really blending thoroughly. whereas with soulmates more a micro joining - not as through to the core of everything, not as blended .. more like a piece of that.

posted January 29, 2014 06:43 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
btw this article really resonated with me,
http://www.harusami.com/soul2soul/twins/tie_link.html

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posted January 29, 2014 07:08 AM              

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Me too.
Lol I remember this, it was one of the very first articles I read on twin flames afew years back.

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When I first read it, I was thinking: how on earth does the author know what happened during and after meeting Mr Sag? LOL

posted January 29, 2014 07:09 AM              

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Another very enlightening article written by a tf couple whos experiences and info resonate a lot with me. I find them to be one if the few REAL tf couples ones who are authentic and sincere.
Their youtube videos are great too.
http://twinflames.ca/2013/10/true-signs-of-a-twin-flame-union/

Though this particular article is more for those tfs who have met and are already in a physical union.
Still though some of the info in there rings true for me and fits in with what I've experienced.

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hmm. not sure about it.

posted January 29, 2014 08:32 AM              

even though - as you may have noticed- I am hesitant to put my connections/ feelings/ emotional-spiritual-mental-physical experiences into a category and put the label "twinflame" or "soulmate" onto them, I wanted to think about the points you raised in your first post. Even though I by no means claim that any one I have met is my twinflame, - I can only describe how it was, how it felt, what (changes) resulted from that.

And I might take several posts to do so. lol

Let`s start with your questions

"What does 'Twinflame' mean to you?"
Hmm, that is not as easy a question to answer, as it might seem on the surface.

But ultimately I think of twinflames or twinsouls or Twinselves or Twinrays (I do not differentiate there, it seems hairsplitting to me, a thing of confusing terminology, if they are meant to describ something different, why put the word "twin" in all of these?).

Anyway I think of twinflames as complementary souls actually.
Or let me put it this way, there is a core, that is shared, a twin-core, so to speak, but it is expressed in complementary ways usually.

The complementary expression is necessary for magnetism/ attraction to take place, the Yin - to Yang, and for well complementing each other.

The "twin-core" or core of sameness is necessary for the experience of union at a basic level.

I do not care much for the "mission"; ironically my take on this is probably not even that different from some kind of mission or purpose, I just might not call it that way, as I have found that the conceptualizing and abstraction and finding new shiny intellectually and spiritually sounding names, distorts it all.
Of course it is only my opinion and take, but I find that it has to be EXPERIENCED at a soullevel and can`t be analyzed into existence. Though if it exists, it can be analyzed of course.
Now I managed to confuse even myself.

Seriously though, as I put it into another thread, I am big on the "Become who you are" thing. I mean who you really are underneath all the reality-constructs that sometimes help, sometimes take away from a pure core of Self or Soul. (SElf is a dangerous word to use in esoteric circles as I noticed. lol)

I believe that really is the purpose in twinflames to merge again, to become who they are, individually and together, to realize that indeed they already have arrived in a balanced state of consciousness. It sounds gushy and shallow, but this feeling of "Everything is as it should be and it is perfect"-feeling.

From this state there can`t be anything but light. With that I mean the good sites of life, some call it peace, serenity, bliss, happiness, joy, mirth, wonder, hope, faith, love.

And this love, which actually is some sort of Self-love as well, can`t be contained inside. It spreads and radiates out of the person, and in THIS the person influences their environment, and as I think and hope, brings an uplifting, furthering, enriching, loving, inspiring influence onto the environement, without pushing any kind of personal beliefs on other people.

Just like the great love stories of the world, and also and especially the ones freom real life, inspire us and make our heart sing and our soul soar.
At least that happens to me on a regular basis. Don`t tell me other people do not experience it like that.

Of course that kind of spreading energy into the world, can hapen through so many different things, writing, creating art, teaching, healing, dancing naked around a campfire or whatever areas of life there are, I haven`t covered here.

So maybe I do think twinflames have a mission after all.
But mission sounds so heavy to me, or even worse, so much like "I am holier than thou", in worst case scenario, and i don`t like that.

I think if people come together who genuinely love each other in the way twinflamelove is being described, they shine a light into the world and make it a more colourful and happier place for all being touched by that love, just by being near them.
But it is not something they plan or structure or organize, but it just happens, cause it is love, you know?
Love spreads, contagious like the flu. lol
Maybe.

However, I still feel uncomfortable with the term twinflames, because I have read such alot of stuff about it, some of it resonated, but some of it was very esoteric in the worst kind of sense.
And if anyone will say again: "I am enlightened". and the other will respond: "I am much much enlightened-er than you. Archangel Gabriel told me so." and stomps their foot to validate their words, I will scream. I swear it. I. Will.Scream.
And if I scream, EVERYONE can hear it (and probably some glass will shatter).

No I am not at all denying that we are all on a spiritual path and growing and evolving, but I sincerely genuinely from the deepest depth of my heart DETEST this kind of spiritual competition/ contest that so often ensues and I just find it silly.

I am not talking to anyone in particular, just wanted to get it out of the way (and I remember quite a few spats because of that a long time ago, and actually those were a huge part I was leaving LL back then for quite some time
O and while I am on a roll, noone owns the "real absolute truth".

I only have my own truth, and so has everyone else, we are operating on beliefs here, on personal resonance, but this does not mean it must be true for hte next person.
So I want to stress that whatever I write here, is of course based on my experiences up to the moment of writing.

"• What has brought you to conceptualise it this way?"
You asked.

posted January 29, 2014 09:28 AM            

2. The relationship is most definitely about a spiritual purpose together!..changing the old thought-patterns, raising conscoiusness, filling the world with unconditional love etc. No, the main feeling is not about romance and having a family blah blah, although it can and does happen.

3. Syncronicities are definitely important and will help you recognize your spiritual awakening and the recognition of one's TF.

4. You absolutely must go through soulmate relationships first (sometimes a few) before you meet your TF as the TF connection is so incredibly strong and hard. A TF will have difficult learning lessons before they meet and are put on this earth to experience the extreme highs and lows of relationships and soul growth.

5. One will have their spiritual awakening either right before or after meeting their TF. The awakening will completely breakdown and change one's previous beliefs about spirituality.

Upon investigation you find that TF's have lived almost completely parallel lives and you see yourself in the other person when you look at them.

So....it has been verified multiple times to me that I am a TF (one vibrates at a completely different/higher energic vibration) and that I have found mine. I started my spiritual awakening soon after I met him.

Our synastry is crazy, including the ASC/VTX DW along with soooo many other ties. DW's all over the place, mirroring and complementing, relationship asteroids extremely prominent including conjunct name asteroids, it goes on and on.

I haven't, until now, looked at 2Libra or 27Sagittarius being significant but here's what I found:

My NN is conjunct 2Lib tight, in my 4th house and my 12th house moon is trine 2Lib exact.

His moon is conjunct 27Sag tight and sextile his NN tight.

My Angel conjunct his vesta at 27Sag exact and his Angel opposite my 2Libra NN conjunction exact. His Merc square my NN and my neptune conjunct his moon (at 2 Lib and 27Sag.)

Composite: among others, we have vesta conjunct 2Lib tight, Juno conjunct 27Sag tight, venus trine 27Sag tight and Angel conjunct 27Sag exact.

Natal birthdays are important: 8's for instance.

Usually TF's have the number 15 assoc. with birthdays/meetings: we met on 3/15/10.

The synchronicities go on and on but I won't list them unless someone is interested.

Check Sabian Symbols as well: for instance my natal Karma is at 12Aries (A triangular shaped flock of white/wild geese). I believe it was IQ who told me this meaning can bring about the TF meeting.

Finally look for a lot of outer planet aspects in natal and synastry as those are mostly linked to spirituality, transformation etc. Example: the most prominent/dominent planets in my natal are Uranus, Neptune and Mercury.

My TF's most prominent/dominent planets are Pluto, Neptune and venus.. So you see we complement: head vs. heart plus spirituality and transformation.

P.S. all the above information I have determined from both extensive research, interviews and personal experience. I also believe we all have our own soul path we must walk and I am not nearly at a place where I can say I am more evolved than anyone else or could prove/disprove another's TF vs. soulmate experiences as I am new to this as well. For the record, me and my supposed TF are not physically together and we will never be able to have children together.

posted January 29, 2014 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I think it's always been called many things, but it is more linked to the Indigo sorts of things. I find it intriguing, and have personal experience that's inclined me to think beyond mere coincidence or chance. Too eerie, in other words. 30 years? Oh, wow. This year will be my 25th. I can hardly believe that. I bet you have a wealth of information you've amassed.

SUN, ANGEL, KARMA, AND c-ATLANTIS on the SGC? Wow! That's a very specific karma and purpose, indeed. The two of you are here as part of something greater; you don't have THOSE kinds of linkages - and ON a degree like 2° LIB without being 'tasked' in some form. (My SATURN's there.)

And SUN-SATURN DW will certainly bind you, won't it? Heh. Good or ill. In your case, I've no doubt for a reason of some sort.

I'd love to hear your story.

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Now that I think about it, it's closer to 40 years. I just dabbled in early life, then let things sit for decades, so don't know that I have a wealth of information beyond the improved/practiced intuition and common-sense wisdom that comes from advancing age.

If this man is my twin flame, I'm not impressed with the concept of twin flames Here is my skeptic's story:

I first met him 20+ years ago when we took a college class on a specialized topic (which involves my avocation). We didn't interact much in the class, and didn't meet again until last year. Over the years his name would come up in relation to my avocation and I would sometimes refer people to him. We've since discovered we were in meetings/conferences together at least 2 or 3 times in the last few years without recognizing each other.

In late spring, I attended a luncheon related to my avocation: I was late, and took the only remaining seat. The gentleman to my left turned to shake my hand and introduce himself, and I immediately recognized him as the person from my class long ago. At the same time, I felt an intense peace and calmness flowing from and between our hands (he continued to hold my hand for a long time). It seems strange to describe it as electric, given how peaceful and calming it was, but that's the only word that comes to mind. [I remember telling friends afterward I wasn't sure if I was feeling his energy or our energy combined; I think now it is/was our energy combined].

He claims to have no conscious memory of holding on to my hand for a long time (and touching me a lot during the rest of the afternoon), of immediately telling me intimate details about his recent relationship history, or of saying to me "our meeting again is no accident; we need to keep in touch."

It took another 2 or 3 months, but we started dating and have been together (living separately) since. During that period, I didn't see him at all and we rarely communicated, but whenever I thought of him, I would be overcome with this spontaneous pulsing/electrical shock kind of feeling involving my solar plexus. It was kinda sorta but not exclusively sexual in nature. It still happens occasionally.

This is, without a doubt, the most unusual relationship I've been involved in, mostly because (1) we are so alike, but also so different - the differences are sometimes extremely difficult to deal with, and yet (2) I have an abiding sense of it will be all right; this is how it's meant to be; there is no need to worry; whatever happens in the relationship happens in the relationship. [That is a new experience for me; usually I'm very anxious about the future in relationships]. He seems to feel the same way. We have also both talked about how we are confident that we will always maintain some kind of relationship/friendship.

As for the purpose/mission thing, yes, I have that feeling, but I tend to have that feeling with all my relationships, platonic or romantic/sexual, so I don't see that as anything unique, although with him the feeling is more intense in a subtle way, if that makes any sense. I tend to suspect the mission has to do with dealing with (1) cultural/racial/ancestral differences and issues, and (2) seeing each other toward or through the last years of life.

posted January 29, 2014 12:07 PM              

continuing with your questions.

" Why do you feel this is your Twinflame?"
Whatever label "fits" here, he has had and persists to have an ongoing profound impact on me.

Interestingly I sensed him, before I saw him.
As you know he is a performer, I was at a concert, actualy because of another performer who cancelled, and I was feeling really disapointed about it and generally in low spirits.
I did not see Mr Sag while he came onto stage, but while still being processing my disappointment, I felt this vibrating electrical energy. It was only then that I noticed he had come intot he room from the backside and was walking the aisle to get to stage and had stopped right beside me for a couple of seconds. Too close for me to be able to even see him (he still has that habit of entering my private space. lol).

However he eventually went onto stage and what I remember most from the night was th I wondered how he did it, illuminate a dark room and energize the whole audience just with his presence alone. It was like there suddenly was a Sun inside that room, and he was radiating such an "I embrace the world" vibe, that it was impossible to stay depressed. lol
It was amazing.

Actually, and that was more shocking, when he passed me by and during the whole evening, he reminded me of myself so much. Or no, that is not true, we are quite different, he is so extrovert, and I am not.
But I felt like he "reminded me of who I really am". Something inside me, maybe my inner child, reacted to his positive all embracing vibe, and I remembered that at the core of my being that is what life once was about, what I am about, my basic set of world-experience. That the world is a wondrous place full of magic, mystery, fun, discoveries, freedom and what do I know. lol
A feeling that sais: Everything`s alright. Just as it is.
He must have transported me right into my childhood, a very happy phase in my life.
And in that one instant I regained the "innocence", a pure stage of "Me", an endless faith and trust and the memory, that yes, indeed everything is meaningful. Not just me of course.
I had fought so hard to regain that heavenly state of consciousness that I once knew before the dark night of the soul set in, but no analyzing, no fighting and digging and striving to prove myself "worthy of it" could make me accomplish that.
It was in that moment that I realized that it never really was lost in the first place, just buried under too much rationalization.

Of course in thta moment I was not thinking that, I was just bathing in that bright light that suddenly was there. And I am deeply thankful for it.

I "officially" met him 2 mon ths later, and I have written a lot about that meeting, the shock, the near-death-experience afterwards (well some might call it Kundalini-Rising I suppose. lol), how it just changed everything. Especially my comfortable, yet resignative negative mindset abuot myself and relationships in general. lol

A few days after that I decided I had simply gone crazy, and if anything at all it was karmic, and karma was finished now and I would never ever show my face in his presence again. LOL
To make a story short I ran and hid. Basically I was running away from myself and what needed to be adjusted and transformed in me. At this point it really wasn`t about him at all, it was about me.
I ran all the way to London as a matter of fact. LOL
Which was contraproductive, since when I was in the cathedral of Canterbury, I received some spiritual smack against the back of my head. "If you ask question, at least stay still long enough to really listen and hear the answers. And let it sink in, instead of deflecting it right away."
I never really wanted to let anything sink in, in case it got stuck inside my soul again.

Anyway, whereever the thought came from, there was a point.

So, I was coming home from London, and as I was not going to see Mr Sag ever again, I was runing around doing all kind of things hectically, trying to find back into my old life, and for the first time in my life I became really sick. Miraculously sick, as there was no medical reason for it. None was ever being found.
It was a two fold sickness. First of all the bouts of eye-migraine that set in around the time meeting Mr Sag, well, I sometimes still have them, but VERY rarely, and I realized in the meantime that they set in when I am trying to close my mind to something.

The other thing, more alarming and annoying to me, back then was I became sick with my digestive system. Not nice. I could eat as little as I wanted to, still I was suffering from diarrhoia in a bad way. All fall and winter long, then it was gone, just to come back the next fall and winter. lol
However, knocking on wood, it has stayed away for 3 years now, so I think I am good in the meantime.

But it showed clearly that something had to change.
I moved.
Back near my parents actually, as I had been really unhappy where I had been living before, and I needed the change.
And in a ay I also needed to reconnect with my inner child and my childhood, and here is the place I was growing up. A lot of crap happening here, too, but I started the process of processing and healing it. Slowly.

Then some day I appeared on a solo-concert of Mr Sag. I was very hopeful that even should he see me, whta probably would not have been the case, he would not recognize me.
I ran into him right before it began, on the stairs. I was getting up the stairs, he coming down, and we almost bumped into each other, and he looked at me and greeted me like he had expected me to be there and was glad I could make it. LOL
Actually in all the occasions we talked, including last november, he manages to evoke the impression as if we kind of know each other very well, and he had been anticipating my arrival and was glad to see me. Maybe it s just his natural being, but I can`t help noticing it.

What more?

Oh yes, he still comes up in my physical proximity, and as I said entering what is known as the intimate-distance-zone. Well, apparently to everyone but him!
You are not coming THAT close to someone who is basically a stranger.

Usually I am adamant aobut keeping physical distance to someone; my defensive system cries alarm easily if someone breaches that zone around my body, half to a meter.
I was majorly fascinated that it didn`t happen with him. It is like my defense system does not even REGISTER he is a stranger, another person with a different energy field.
Worse that once occasion when he was really overdoing the proximity-thing, I wasn`t even able to tell where i ended and he began. I certainly have never felt anyone like that before. I always know where I end. LOL

In tlhis case it was like interlocking or overlapping energyfields.

No I do not know if he senses that as well or if he just likes shaking me out of my comfort zone. lol

Apart from that even though I did not know that when I felt like he was somehow connecting myself to my childhood and the child I was, it turned out that he was growing up (and is still living) near the town my great grandmother was living, and I have always loved going there. WE also spend a lot of sundays where he lived. As a matter of fact my great grandmother was living just maybe 3 kilometres or so away from the part of town he was living in.
Maybe we even crossed paths as children.

Also, he was pretty chubby for an actor, and it turned out we started losing weight earnestly around the same time. Same month even.

Another thing I noticed is how him being an actor, he has in recent months started to often visit his old school, teaching pupils there, and doing a lot of courses and just supporting kids and teenagers through the means of acting.

Around the same time my status as teacher slowly started to change., Iwas literally pushed into a more theatrical direction, had to take over a theatre-course, playwrighting and acting, without really knowing what I do, of course. But for some reason it works. And unlike some other courses, it gives me more energy than exhausting me.

Coincidentally a colleague of mine made me join him for a seminar a few months ago, about comedy-writing and doing comedy in school.
The teacher that came there was nto only from Mr Sag`s hometown, but actually once was his teacher, too.
he was taking quite some time with me actually, which was alittle exhausting. Like moving muscles that have grown a little rusty, though still present.
But I came to realize that I still can do it, let a story unfold from its natural core.

But anyway I just found it amusing, how Mr Sag apparently starts implementing more teaching in his acting-career now (actually he once tried to calm a whole audience, and it shocked me seeing that. Cause that was eXACTLY how i am standing in front of class. The words, the tone of voice, the facial expression, the hand-gesture. Creepy even).

And I am incorporating a lot more theatrical elements in my teaching work, especially the physical side of it (body language) and notice that it helps my pupils a lot to express their thoughts and feelings, and also develop playfully some sort of compassion and empathy for other pupils.

And I do not have as muchn eed for control anymore, I noticed that I am best when I let some things just unravel themselves, only being recpetive.

posted January 29, 2014 01:58 PM            

Do you see it? You can include those main asteroids like Juno, Pallas, Ceres, vesta.

posted January 29, 2014 02:24 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
The involvement of SPIRIT on the GC is definitely important; that your MERCURY and his VENUS are widely playing along that axis gives that some real dynamism, too. And SPIRIT being on your SUN.

I'm very curious about ASC-VX, too, as we have it as a DW. Didn't realise it until YEARS later, when he got his correct birth time. Made so much sense, too.

Certain soulmates prepare us for a Twinflame, if we are one. I think 'twin souls' is a great term to describe those soulmates who are clearly from our immediate soul family - might even have come into being the moment we did. We always have a strong sibling bond with these souls, even if our relations this time around are sexual. It's something which pervades. A sort of continual familiarity - as if we were siblings.

I'd be very interested to hear how all of that turns out. I know the pains and difficulty of being unable to have a 'traditional relationship'. A lot of us are here now, however, to learn how to go beyond such limiting concepts and innovate loving in a whole new, more liberating, unconventional and far less confining sort of way.

I can imagine URANUS to play a role there. While I've heard it's something of a kiss-of-death to most romantic composites - traditionally speaking - seems as if it'd figure prominently here. I know it has in my own research.

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Thanks for your response. I totally agree, it's difficult to live in a society where everything is about value and profit, and relationships/marriage have become associated with "property". It doesn't make things less confusing, but we've both at least been able to recognize that...

We do have composite Uranus square mercury and venus... but widely by 8-9 degrees. Also transit Uranus has been in our composite 7th house the entire time we've known each other. If anything I think it could also be composite Venus square Neptune (2 degrees). There's really no way of "defining" the relationship, it's a spiritual bond, but putting restrictions/labels on it just doesn't work

I apologize in advance for the long post, but just wanted to write out some more details since venting about this helps lol. Someone mentioned synchronicities, and there have always been weird similarities/coincidences. We have the same life path number (5), same name number (7), same Mayan Day sign (serpent), same Chinese Day sign (snake). Our suns are opposite exact (Cancer/Cap gender reversal).. We both have 7th house planets, but his cancer Sun-Jupiter are in my 1st house, my sag Moon-Mercury in his 1st.

We were born on different continents but ended up at the same small high school with a verrrry global/progressive agenda. Incase anyone is curious lol http://www.district196.org/ses/prospect/prospective.html

I think at least being from the same "soul family" would make a lot of sense. There are a lot of family similarities. We both randomly have family from the same part of New Mexico. We're both the oldest, our sisters were born the same year and we both chose their middle names (both flower names lol), our parents got divorced the same year.. I lived in a group of homes that all looked similar there were just a few different models.. He lived in a different (nearby) city in the EXACT same model of home. Like it was basically the exact same house.. same color, same layout, his room was in the same place as mine too. Then there are just other random similarities. Like before even getting to know each other in school we both left our desk spaces blank (which was actually really unusual since everyone made a big deal about decorating theirs)

I could keep going lol but those are just some of the basics. We started hanging out during a dark (but very transformational) time in my life.. and all it took was one conversation alone and we knew we understood everything about each other that no one else could "see". As stupid as it sounds, when we would hang out time stood still and everything seemed perfectly centered. Romance was a part of it but it evolved into a lot more than that.. and we both had to stand back and let each other live our own lives while still having that underlying love/encouragement for each other. We both have had other soulmate experiences and understood that the timing had never been right

We had big dreams about places we want to live and I actually did move somewhere else after high school, but I seem to keep getting sucked back here against my will lol.. We never had a falling out until last year (caused by the fact that he was still focusing on spirituality and I was fed up with life and looking for constant distractions) and that was really devastating/painful for me.. because he had always been a reference point of light for what I believe in and who I really "am". But I know it couldn't last if I we both didn't understand ourselves as individuals. Which it's taken a lot of isolation/soul-searching to finally start getting to that point but I'm getting there...

posted January 29, 2014 02:56 PM              

actually I take all articles I read with a grain of salt.

But anyway, I do not know about twinflames, however in the case of Mr Sag and me, I of course can only speak for myself, but this meeting triggered definitely a lot of personal growth in me, along with the adjustment or modification of some of my beliefs, especially in relation to my own personality.
It did not only result in this huge weightloss for me (almost 40 kilos, of course you can imagine HOW much overweight I had when starting! I was - as I thought- far beyond redemption in this area. But it turned out it was a wrong belief).

More important than the weightloss, which is only an external symptom anyway, was the fact that I got much closer and easier access to my own feelings. They are closer to the surface now, and I am more inclined to allow them to be, even in the case of unwanted ones like anger for example.

Makes me a little less easy to deal with for my environment on the one hand, on the other hand it IS easier to connect to me, BECAUSE there actually is someone to connect to; I notice that people react differently to me, but I suppose this is cause in general I am a lot more open and warmer towards people myself, even more playful and extrovert. But also more impatient sometimes and too quick in my verbal reactions.

Anyway one thing that I always noticed about Sags horoscope and mine, is how it is similiar and polar at the same time.

There is a common theme, with our Sag-stellium in Sagittarius on the Galactic Centre, which btw was at 26.30 sagittarius at our birth, not 27 Sagittarius (yeah, hair splitting I know. ).

my Mercury, DESC-ruler: 25.03 Sagittarius
my Sun: 25.56 Sagittarius

his Sun: 26.57 Sagittarius
his Moon: 28.38 Sagittarius
his MC: 28.32 Sagittarius

(I am leaving out the bunch of asteroids gathering there as well).

While this shows a common ground in "Sagittarianness", there is also polarity.
Jupiter, of course disposits our Sagittarius-theme, and his Jupiter is on 10.09 Virgo, while my Jupiter is on 11.12 PIces - so closely opposite each other.

Even more than this, I noticed the thing you just mentioned, how our orientation is complementary.

While my personal planets are pretty much all below the horizon, his are in the upper half.
While all my planets except Saturn are on the Eastern side of the chart, he has actually a split (with Moon and Venus being on the Eastern side), but his Sun, chartruler, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter and so on all beng on the Western side.

my NN is on the Eastern and Northern hemisphere; his NN is on the Western and Southern hemisphere.

Looking at the planets in the houses:

I have in

1st house: Sun, Mercury, Neptune, Venus (Vesta)
2nd house: Moon (Pallas)
3rd house: Jupiter (Ceres, Juno)

4th house: Chiron
5th house: ---
6th house: ---

7th house: ---
8th house: Saturn
9th house: ---

10th house: Pluto, Uranus
11th house: (Uranus) on cusp
12th house: Mars

He has:
1st house: (Ceres, Vesta, Chiron)
2nd house: ---
3rd house: ---

4th house: ---
5th house: (Juno)
6th house: Mars, Jupiter

7th house: Saturn, Pluto
8th house: Uranus
9th house: Sun, Mercury, Neptune

10th house: Moon
11th house: Venus
12th house: (Pallas)

I have a very full 1st quadrant, including Sun, Moon and Venus; his 1st quadrant is empty.

His second quadrant is significant for the Mars-Jupiter-conjunction, which is squaring and in mutual reception with his Mercury; my second quadrant is pretty much empty.

His third quadrant is significant, too, for the presense of Sun, Mercury, chartruler and een Saturn.
My third quadrant needs some stimulation, though Saturn in third quadrant is a shared link.

His Moon on the MC, starting the 4th quadrant is not unimportant and his Venus is in his 4th quadrant as well.
For me it is Mars in 12th quadrant. Interestingly in this comparision is that his Moon and Venus cover houses 10 and 11 while my Mars is a 12th house Mars.

It is too obvious to not notice the spread. I see it as the new or different perspective his influence in my life allowed me to see, and it is probably acceptable and feeling "right" to me due to the fact that the signs in question are compatible.

Sagittarius stellium including both sets of Sun and his Moon (and of course there his his Mercury falling onto my Mars-ASC-Neptune-NN).

my Aquarius Moon may feel left out a little, but is basically in harmony with the Sag-planets there.

We both have a
Capricorn-Venus squaring Pluto.

His Mars-Jupiter-conjunction in Virgo (with Mars ruling his intercepted 1st house and 8th house traditionally; Jupiter being his MC-ruler and traditional ASC-ruler)

opposing my chartruler Jupiter.

He IS different, it seems like he embodies MErcury (Virgo) I embody Neptune (Pisces)
It almost too much driving the mnessage home, by also having his Mercury exactly conjunct my Neptune. lol

Anyway all I can say is that my life feels enriched and I have never been feeling more myself since the day I met him. it may sound strange, given there is of course no relationship to speak of, but he had or has this influence on me, and I am thankful and happy, and I am able to give so much more to the world, just because I am at peace with myself (still some areas and blockages to work on though, I am just human. lol), and of course it makes itself shown especially in me dealing with my family, with people at work, esp. the pupils, and my friends.

It is not like I am a different person, I am just more myself.

EDIT:
BTW that housesplit was even more remarkable in the guy whom I believed to be my twinflames, when I was just a teenager. The only one I ever really believed in, and I was wrong.

BUt anyway,this was more in relation to synastric houses overlay.

His Sun in my 4th; my Sun in his 10th
his Moon in my 6th; my Moon in his 12th
his Mercury in my 4th; my Mercury in his 10th

his Venus in my 5th; my Venus conj. his 11th cusp
his Mars in my 3rd, my Mars in his 9th

posted January 29, 2014 04:14 PM            

I don't think all twin flames are "ready" for the coming together relationship when they meet, but they remind/nudge each other in some mostly indefinable way to become, as you say, more themselves, and thus closer to "ready". It may be one or both have not sufficiently stepped into their wholeness, so of course the union is not complete.

This is one of the reasons I am not pining for mine but busy with my primary relationships - with myself and the obvious soul group that IS in my life.

posted January 29, 2014 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:

Twin flames CAN be romantic in nature. It's not always mother/son or whatever. I have no doubts that he's my twin flame. Are we together now? No, and we probably won't be in the future, but that doesn't make it any less what it is.

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You misunderstand me. I never said they CANNOT have a romantic relationship. And they're almost never from the same actual blood.

posted January 29, 2014 04:25 PM            

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Originally posted by fireopal09:
First, I am always intrigued by your posts, Indigo. Second, I am on my poseur smart phone and am unable to pull up charts with the a ton of asteroids. I am just grateful to have a qwerty board and a minimally decent data plan. Manfriend has his SN Vertex conjunction exact on my ASC. I was with him 20 years ago & he broke up with me. Getting together (his instigation) back in '09 led me to study astrology. He broke my usual modus operandi. I don't go back, especially if I was cast off.

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I missed this, Claire. Mea culpa. And I know how elitist smartphones can be. And I appreciate that you tend to dig my blatherings. Really.

SN-VX on ASC exact. Ohhhh, boy. That's one of those basic pings for me. I see that, I pay close attention.

The fact you broke your MO, and 'were cast off' and refuse to return rings very loudly and clearly to me. It's a sentiment I know well.

I'd be interested to know the details of your story, all the same. The fact it's initiated you into greater soul development at least shows it's moving in the right direction. But damn if it doesn't take a lot of blood, sweat and tears to arrive at that point.