posted February 15, 2014 02:33 PM              

I see several peak-points.

posted February 15, 2014 02:52 PM            

I think Rudra in synastry means the irreversible. I thought that sounded twinflamey. I didn't really spot much going on between the Siva-Parvarti, Rudra-Kaali asteroids in composite though.

posted February 15, 2014 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Indigo,

just checking.

Is your ASC 10 Virgo?

His is 00 Aquarius?

you did not add a.m. or p.m., so I was not sure. But that is what astro.com gives me, using the a.m. time.

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posted February 15, 2014 03:39 PM              

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Originally posted by summerlite:
That helio composite chart has Venus-Pleiades.

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Yes, I noticed that, too.

posted February 15, 2014 03:40 PM              

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Originally posted by summerlite:
I thought the transit yesterday was bad. It was a Regulus full moon on transit Atlantis. I can't even figure out what it hits on my chart. Just couldn't ground myself.

I think Rudra in synastry means the irreversible. I thought that sounded twinflamey. I didn't really spot much going on between the Siva-Parvarti, Rudra-Kaali asteroids in composite though.

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Interestingly in my tropical Davison with Mr Sag we have an exact conjunction of Isis-Osiris on 25 Leo, and it opposes both our Psyches (his on 25 Aqua, mine on 24 Aqua).

It was a weird fullmoon for me.

posted February 15, 2014 03:41 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Sorry! I use the 24 hour clock. It's AM for both.

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that is what I thought.

posted February 15, 2014 03:49 PM            

Algol on Chiron does sound bad. But at least there's healing.
One of the composite charts I did with "potential TF" has composite NN on Algol. The whole vibe I get from that chart was that it would be brilliantly wickedly good because Algol can mean creativity. But then it can also crash and burn.

posted February 15, 2014 04:04 PM              

And then last night when the fullmoon was exact, the fears were gone all at once. Actually I was lying on my couch, and while listening to some music, drifting away, in that semi-trance-state I sometimes end up in (not really a mediation, cause I did not plan it), however in that state I sometimes "see" strange things. Images of scenes, which are probably symbolically, but I do not always get their meaning, Just snippets.

Yesterday, it was like that, too. After a LOOOONG time.

Well, in that "halfdream" (not a daydream, as I have just no conrol over what I am seeing), Mr Sag was present, too.
Actually we were standing somewhere, and each of us was having a wooden box in front of us, but there were cushions in these boxes, and the colours golden-red dominated.
In that box there was a heart (and yes I MEAN it, a yucky looking, bloody, beating human heart. lol - my halfdreams or visions sometimes can get really yucky, and surprisingly often blood plays a role in them, wonder what that is about).

Actually these hearts, even though very much alive, were replicates of our own hearts, even though of course we still had our hearts firmly planted in our own chests to keep us alive. lol

But nevertheles, we each had a double of our hearts in a box (well, yes, it DID remind me of "Pirates of the Caribbean", though I had not seen this one for ages, or even thought about it).

Anyway both of us took out our heart and handed it to each other, but somehow did it so that our arms and hearts in this instance created were crossing each other.

And then I pretty much "woke up", totally startled, shaken and petrified. It was just a tiny bit of a strong image there.
Giving your heart away, you don`t do that. Ever. It is what makes for contracts and ensures you will face many more karmic issues to come.

You know the expression "I give you my heart". No, no, no, you never ever EVER do that!

But yeah those are the things that occur during these strange Aqua-fullmoons to me.

"Algol on Chiron does sound bad. But at least there's healing."
Yes, but it is the helio chart. It is the dharma chart, the reason and purpose to the tropical happenings.

What can be the meaning of Chiron on Algol in a spiritual context.
Healing of the uncontrolled passions? Or healing THROUGH passion that cannot be contained?

posted February 15, 2014 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
What do you see?
Where does the patterns/ lines point to?
What is the "peak" of the different aspect figures?
What would you think?

I see several peak-points.

I think I counted 5 or so.
Do you see the same ones?

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Hang on, sensei, I'm still slowing my heart-rate from seeing ... I dunno exactly, but something. Just seeing our birthdates up there. It feels more -something- somehow when it's from you.

Okay. Geometrically-speaking, I certainly see a few intriguing balance points; reverse symmetry. The apex most definitely appears to be the ... EARTH-MOON Complex, I think you called it? With CHIRON and VENUS?

I'm unfamiliar with ALMA, but I think it's interesting that ANGEL is with PLUTO-SATURN, (and ATLANTIS, I thought), and LINK is with KAALI-RUDRA.

Gah! 'Climbing Up The Walls', the Filia Brazila remix, just started playing. (If you know that song ... you'll know why I said 'gah!'.)

JUPITER being in 22° SCO grabbed me, too. It's interesting it's the exact placement as in Tropical. But then I think SAT-PLU is, too. And NEP. Perhaps that's a Helio thing. The outers stay in the same degree.

... Aaaaanywhere you turn, I'll be theeeeere. Open up your skull; I'll be theeeeere ....

Sorry.

It GETS me.

But then ... so does this, I think. I'm learning. SO much I'm finding I just don't know.

What do YOU see?

I'm not saying I wish to put this whole matter behind me; I don't think I can. I don't think that's ... 'it'. I know LACHESIS is important, and we're this weird touchstone for it. We're a point upon which so much of it turns - if that makes sense.

But what? And why?

Ugh. I know so little. I'm only an egg.

Okay. Points.

I see, geometrically speaking:

EARTH-MOON / CHIRON / VENUS(?)* (*likely too far)
ISIS / VESTA
ANGEL / PLUTO / SATURN
NEPTUNE
LINK / KAALI-RUDRA

I'm going to cry. Why am I going to cry? There are tears in my eyes. I ... feel like I'm going insane. I'm not sad; I'm not even emotional. I'm just reporting data - but I had to wipe tears from my eyes. WTF?

I see a really lovely Grand Fire Trine:

AURA-NEPTUNE-ISIS (or is that VESTA?) Either way, it's so beautiful-feeling.

I'm crying AGAIN. I've lost it. I don't know what the hell is happening.

There's an X in the centre, it seems, involving EARTH-MOON / CHIRON, JUPITER, ISIS-VESTA, and KAALI-RUDRA-LINK.

posted February 15, 2014 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

It was a weird fullmoon for me.

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posted February 15, 2014 05:51 PM            

Bad, bad times. He'd call, I wouldn't answer, the Cold War was in full bloom. And it was bloody hot! I've no A/C, so I was simply sweltering.

One such day, it was around 90°F indoors, and I felt like I was mired in humid heat. Horrible. I decided, mind over matter, and forced myself to meditate.

This song came on the radio, meaningless, but long, instrumental piece. 'Rapture At Sea' by Eastern Sun or some-such. I thought, okay, I'm just gonna visualise. I'm gonna be on a ship, at sea. I'm going to feel that cool breeze. I'm going to taste the salt. I'm getting the eff out of here.

In about 5 minutes, the extreme heat did cause me to drift. And this is what resulted.

I was lying on the bow of a massive ship, it would seem, by myself. The sea was vast, blue, and glassy far beneath me. I wore a light, airy gown of white. It looked blinding in the sunlight.

I opened my eyes, comforted by the clear blue sky overhead. It was beautiful. The perfect escape from where I'd been.

I made to rise - and noticed I couldn't.

I brought my hands into view, only to find a translucent red film covered my fingertips. Then - THEN I felt the pain.

I was pierced, completely run through, with swords in a clear line. I only saw the ones along the front of my torso; I didn't even look at my sides, to see if it was also a horizontal problem.

I closed my eyes back, realising I was better off with the heat.

And, OH, it hurt.

Trouble is, I'm having trouble waking. That's the sign I need to be here - but I REALLY don't want to endure THIS.

But I do.

I stay put, doing the same as before, attempting to dissociate, to deep breathe, but the tears are coming anyway. I hate this.

As I open my eyes, I find that he's there, shaking his head, and sighing; just looking at me.

Somehow, I know, too, that he's responsible. HE did this.

My eyes beg of him, 'why?' even as my voice feels far from me. I'm not speaking, and I don't know why.

What I see in his eyes is complex: pain, anger, and sadness.

As I'm about to ask, or maybe berate, maybe scream, maybe just cry, he takes both hands and reaches for the blade furthest from me.

It's a fine time to mention, there were no hilts. They were simply, oddly, blades. Swords. With no handles. No guards; just double-edged swords.

(Like I don't get the metaphor. Ohh, I do.)

I can't even look. What's worse? I want to tell him, 'no!' as much as, 'yes!' and they're in a terrible battle for dominance in my head. But it's not up to me anyhow. The look in his eyes is a fierce determination. He's resolute.

This continues, the blades slicing into his hands, lacerating his fingers; but he continues. His blood falls upon the white dress, combining with my own bleeding through the wounds into the fabric.

I don't even know which belonged to who. They look the same now. I concentrate on the red patterns that form, like a demented Rorschach test, to distract me from what's happening.

I can no longer do so as he pulls the blade that had pierced my heart. I feel it, as it moves through my body, through my heart, and out of my chest, like a horrible stinging, sliding thing; catching, but not hanging, not sticking; ripping, tearing, and pulling.

I don't remember anything inbetween the moment it was out, and when I felt his arms around me; his hands staining my back, handprints against the skin and breezy cotton.

He grabbed me with the same determination, though weakly; a kind of desperation borne of maybe time, maybe frustration, maybe the inability to do anything else. To even stand.

I notice he has my wounds, too. But they're older. They're healing.

I'm shaking. I've lost a lot of blood, and it's not stopping. I hold him more tightly than I think I've ever held anyone. I can't let him go. I'm so terrified, too.

My voice is so fragile.

'I'm not going to make it.'

'Yes, you will.'

He seems so certain, but just holds me closer, and repeats his words, softer than before. I allow myself to melt against him; to lose whatever rigidity or strength I had. Not a collapse, as much as a ... as a merging.

He tells me he's sorry.

I tell him I love him.

We just hold each other.

The sun is near to setting now. It had been overhead. Noon to dusk in a blink. I don't know how long we've been here. I also don't want to move. I could stay here. I just know I can't. It's time to go back now.

And I do.

My eyes open, and the song has just ended, (it's a little over ten minutes, per the liner notes).

I've a funny idea of 'rapture at sea', I think to myself, sort of relieved to be back, and sort of not.

It stayed with me. I ended up writing it into one of the more pivotal dream sequences of Fiona's involving Lane before he tells her the truth. I'm astonished how much of it's come from my own life now, and our bizarre relationship. How it started out as fiction, and has become strangely autobiographical in a sense. Weird.

posted February 15, 2014 06:07 PM              

" Just seeing our birthdates up there. It feels more -something- somehow when it's from you."
Yes, I saw that, too. Your birthdates. Did you ntoice?
he was born in the 12th month, you on the 12th day.

I thought it was just me, with the prominence of the 3-6-9 sequence, but obviously it comes up with you as well.

"I'm unfamiliar with ALMA,"
Alma means "soul"

"but I think it's interesting that ANGEL is with PLUTO-SATURN, (and ATLANTIS, I thought), and LINK is with KAALI-RUDRA."
I thought the same.

Atlantis is too far away though (20 Libra). But the Angel-pluto-Saturn.

You also have this divine couple, the fiercest, stormiest, most energetic and possibly most volatile probably of all Kaali-Rudra in conjunction. It is not on a fixed star, however, it is so perfectly trine Saturn, and SAturn is indeed sitting on a fixed star, Arcturus (or was that Spica? they are just mere minutes apart). That is certainly significant.

your Union asteroid is not very strong in this composite, but Link is. Maybe Link can serve as a substitute for Union.

See the Sabians.

Rudra:
A Garage Man Testing A Car's Battery With A Hydrometer

Fierce. Prepare for the ultimate test.

Kaali
An Ancient Pottery Bowl Filled With Fresh Violets

A new beginning in a very old connection.

Saturn:
An Eagle And A Large White Dove Change Into Each Other

Pluto
A Man Becoming Aware Of Spiritual Forces Surrounding And Assisting Him

Angel:
Mankind's Vast And Enduring Effort To Reach For Knowledge Transferable From Generation To Generation (!)

"Perhaps that's a Helio thing. The outers stay in the same degree."
Yes, they stay close. However Jpuiter can move several degrees. If it hasn`t, it is is probably meaningful.

"EARTH-MOON / CHIRON / VENUS(?)* (*likely too far)"

Earth-Moon and Chiron. Yes. See this one, too.

BTW everything there except for the Yods seem to include the Kaali-Rudra-pairing, even though it is not te focal point.

Here the focal point is Earth-Chiron of the T-square.

It`s on Algol. I suppose unspeakable pain is part of the spiritual purpose. It is necessary to open your hearts, to learn, to share what you learned and ultimately bring healing.

Venus is too wide yes, but Venus IS on the Pleiades, the fixed star that "brings together/ gathers together/ unites".
I suppose what unites you what brings you together is love. quite simple.

Venus opposes Valentine on 00 Sagittarius
"Retired Army Veterans Gather To Reawaken Old Memories"

Vesta is part of the pattern, but not the focal point.

However Isis is a focal point, of the T-square to Earth and Jupiter.

"ANGEL / PLUTO / SATURN"
Not a focal point itself, but very very significant due to the triple conjunction AND the connection to a fixed star.

"NEPTUNE"
YES.

Probably THE focal point of it all. And on the GC.

"A Sculptor At His Work"

It is the focal point of the GT of Aura/Psyche- Isis - Neptune.

It is the focus of the minor triangle of Kaali/Rudra/Link-Pluto/Angel/Saturn

It is ALSO a part of the Yod of Neptune-Saturn to Earth-Chiron.

I suppose Neptune and Earth/Chiron are THE focal points of the charts. The energy probably comes mostly fromt he stellia (in Aquarius and Libra) but will gather and crystallize through Neptune and Earth/Chiron.

I also want to point out the Juno-Alma-conjunction, even though it is rather wide.

Juno trines EArth/Moon-complex which has very much to do with the identity of the connection itself.

But more importantly Juno is on the Sabian of

"Mary And Her Little Lamb"

I remember that in one chart IQ came to the conclusion it was a twinflame chart, cause they had Karma on that degree, and Maary and the lamb are a reference to Jesus and Mary, who are considered twinflames. So I thought that was interesting.

If that is true, then you are mean to be mroe than just friends or coworkers. Juno on such a prominent degree, it just feels more like a committed partnership to me, though you might need to sort out power-issues.

posted February 15, 2014 08:07 PM            

So I could really use a second or third pair of eyes on this. I'm going to try to break this down as orderly as I can. I'm taking mostly into consideration what has been talked about regarding the soulmate-pairing asteroids, fixed stars and stuff like karma, Atlantis, union, Juno etc.

Almost all of these connections are within 1.5 degrees.
1. Soulmate couple pairings- we have:
Isis conjunct Osiris (trines Ubasti)
Siva trine Kaali (kaali conjunct Union)
Nefertiti trine Amenhotep (conjunct Sirius) NOTE: Ceri- remember our talk about the fascination with Egyptian stuff??!! I wonder if this might go back to past life Egyptian?

Significant trines:
Atlantis trine angel (angel conjunct Rigel)
Karma (conjunct Altair) trine Valentine (conjunct Pleides)
Boda (conjunct Aldebaran) trine Psyche
Hestia trine Lova
Cupido trine Link
Alma trine Tara

2 Fire Grand Trines:
Lovas (conjunct fortuna)
Aphrodite (conjunct lust)
Telephus

Juno (conjunct Anteres)
Unitas
Minerva

T-squares:
1. Atlantis, Hestia, and Aphrodite
2. Karma, Amor, Prosephina
3. Karma, Eros, Amor

Yod:
Boda sextile Minerva with apex at Destinn, mercury, Uranus, Ceres, mars stellium. (Interesting that this stellium falls between 11-12 Scorpio. Sabian symbol for 12 Scorpio is an "Embassy Ball." To represent an elite group, dignitary, high position, privilege.

Venus is conjunct Betelgeuse

SO.....there's probably more t-square and grand trine connections, but I just got so overwhelmed, I couldn't spot them all.

posted February 15, 2014 09:15 PM            

I'm going to return to your charts today. I was thinking about everything that's been happening lately, and how overwhelmed I've been as well, and realised I REALLY need to do that soon. So I really appreciate your patience.

I'd say I'm not sure in regards to Lavender's situation, except that I feel strongly about the fact that she needs to contact him, and there's an Orion connexion. I feel that nothing more really can be known until she takes that step. It feels like it can swing one way or the other until then.

I feel I'm taking time on your situation for a reason, tgem. It FEELS to me that you're 'a part' of this 'something' in a big way.

But ... what can I say, honestly? I certainly don't know anything in regards to my own relationship, except that there's a lot that indicates we've got some stuff to do. Beyond that? Like you, I prefer to be scientific and analytical. Being a scientist is what keeps me pretty sane.

posted February 15, 2014 11:11 PM              

I finally did it.
I "liked" his fb page, after all these years of staying away lol.
And its funny; as soon as I did that, he started posting.
Normally it took him weeks but now he's doing it every day.
Still haven't commented on any of his stuff yet though, I'm slightly reluctant and anxious to do so, for obvious reasons lol.
Besides, its a very low chance that he will even notice anyways.
But I pulled some tarot cards too on weather it'd be a good idea to make myself known to him LOL.
I got The Hanged Man, Queen of Swords, and Death.

Not really sure what to say about this... But it looks like I'll be in for another transformation I guess... Great...Just great lol.
Or maybe it even means the end of my "hiding" stage haha.

Then I asked if anything will come out of it or if he'll notice.
I got more cards this time.
3 of Cups, Ace of Cups, Wheel of Fortune, The World, and Knight of Cups.

They all look pretty positive right? So I'll see... Hehe

The morning after when I woke up, I felt his energy very strongly.
My heart chakra felt that magnetic pull and lovey-dovey sensation again lol.
I had an impulse to check my fb homepage, and I saw that he had just posted the moment I woke up.

The energies were even more stronger the day after, probably because of the the full moon too.
My heart chakra was going crazy with flutters, while feeling his energy, it felt like it was about to jump out of my body lol. but it wasn't an uncomfortable feeling at all, quite the opposite.
I felt excitement and anticipation for something...

The full moon touched his NN/SN on Aqua/Leo 25°, and solstice conjunct my IC/MC axis.
It was in my 1st and 7th house and his 12th and 6th house.

Unlike the usual full moon energies where I tend to feel exhausted and very emotional and drained, this time I felt a new sense of vitality, reassurance, strength, and hope. I felt really good.
I got the most peaceful and comfortable sleep I have ever gotten in the last few months.

posted February 16, 2014 01:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Looked at your helio composite.

First internal reaction:

"Whoa?"

"YES"

"Wow!"

LOL

Why this reaction? Good question.

I think it has to do with your helio Neptune-Saturn/pluto-sextile becoming the base of TWO interlocking closed circuits.

There is always clarity in soulmate or maybe even twinflame-composites. You do not have to go search for connections they POUNCE at you.

Forget about that.
I reduced the orb to 50% but allowed aspectlines to all, and that is what I mean by condensed composite.

i find it interesting how for you also the Kite, golden rectangle comes up in your aspect-pattern.

Oh and see? Your Eros is from Vega.

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I missed that. How on earth? Doesn't matter. :shaking a fist at Mercury:. But I see it now, so - that's what matters.

And I DO see what you mean by patterns. See, for me, it's all about configurations, too. It has to JUMP at me, too. And I'll admit: it most certainly did.

So much so that it's led to a kind of existential panic attack. I don't know how to better articulate it. I've felt so ... strange. Unanchored from what grounded me. I'm questioning everything, and having bizarre spiritual experiences.

Or I may have just finally gone mad? One of them.

posted February 16, 2014 07:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Hi guys,

I finally did it.
I "liked" his fb page, after all these years of staying away lol.
And its funny; as soon as I did that, he started posting.
Normally it took him weeks but now he's doing it every day.
Still haven't commented on any of his stuff yet though, I'm slightly reluctant and anxious to do so, for obvious reasons lol.
Besides, its a very low chance that he will even notice anyways.
But I pulled some tarot cards too on weather it'd be a good idea to make myself known to him LOL.
I got The Hanged Man, Queen of Swords, and Death.

Not really sure what to say about this... But it looks like I'll be in for another transformation I guess... Great...Just great lol.
Or maybe it even means the end of my "hiding" stage haha.

Then I asked if anything will come out of it or if he'll notice.
I got more cards this time.
3 of Cups, Ace of Cups, Wheel of Fortune, The World, and Knight of Cups.

They all look pretty positive right? So I'll see... Hehe

The morning after when I woke up, I felt his energy very strongly.
My heart chakra felt that magnetic pull and lovey-dovey sensation again lol.
I had an impulse to check my fb homepage, and I saw that he had just posted the moment I woke up.

The energies were even more stronger the day after, probably because of the the full moon too.
My heart chakra was going crazy with flutters, while feeling his energy, it felt like it was about to jump out of my body lol. but it wasn't an uncomfortable feeling at all, quite the opposite.
I felt excitement and anticipation for something...

The full moon touched his NN/SN on Aqua/Leo 25°, and solstice conjunct my IC/MC axis.
It was in my 1st and 7th house and his 12th and 6th house.

Unlike the usual full moon energies where I tend to feel exhausted and very emotional and drained, this time I felt a new sense of vitality, reassurance, strength, and hope. I felt really good.
I got the most peaceful and comfortable sleep I have ever gotten in the last few months.

I hope this means something positive is about to occur lol.

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posted February 16, 2014 09:51 AM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
NOTE: Ceri- remember our talk about the fascination with Egyptian stuff??!! I wonder if this might go back to past life Egyptian?

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I want to show you something.

My helio natal

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posted February 16, 2014 10:54 AM              

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Wow wow Wow!! Ceri that's crazy! Do you have links to the other couples too? Like Greek, Roman, Vedic? I wonder if these relationships are replaying from those time periods as well?

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Yes, I found it pretty crazy as well, especially with my Akhenaten/Amenhotep on Regulus conjunct his Jupiter-Echnaton right there; us having both Nofretete on the GC (and actually conjunct both tropical Suns).
Earth Moon complex being associated with Orion (Betelgeuse and Alnitak I think).

I did not mention it but I have helio Isis exactly conjunct helio Spirit on 14-15 Cap on Vega, with helio Osiris on 12 Cap.
And this is opposite my helio Saturn-destinn on 13 and 14 Cancer on Sirius (in tropical my Tutanchamun is on 12 Cancer btw).
ANd this is also conjunct HIS Juno on 13 Cancer.

So our egypitans definitely are associated with the Vega-Sirius-axis, and also including Orion, which makes sense.

In tropical Davision we have Isis-Osiris-conjunction on 25 Leo exact, in the helio it is further apart with Isis on 12 Virgo (conj. Amor) and Osiris on 16 Virgo (trine Valentine).

posted February 16, 2014 10:59 AM              

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