posted February 16, 2014 11:26 AM            

If someone is a Graduate soul, hypothetically-speaking, what does that mean or entail, or specify? What's the point - or purpose? What do you DO?

posted February 16, 2014 11:52 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

I'm discovering I know very little.

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That shows you know pretty much.

posted February 16, 2014 12:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
That shows you know pretty much.

I have an idea, but since I am not particularly fond of the term Graduate souls, I will keep quiet and leave it to those who think they know.

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posted February 16, 2014 02:50 PM              

From that state of inner peace, groundedness, feeling of union (with everything actually), and appreciation/ love, they will teach others, lead them by example.

Their loving energy is too great to be contained within themselves, so it will simply overflow and they will share themselves (their experiences, their talents) with the world around, and in this way help raising the consciousness of others, too. At least those who are receptive enough.

How that will be done in each case, is unique. It depends on your unique talents (you and your twin probably).

For some it may be through science, for some through music, through literature, through acting, through nursing, even through doing politics, and many more are thinkable. It depends on your soul´s imprint.

posted February 16, 2014 04:28 PM            

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ISIS: 27° LEO / 24° VIR
OSIRIS: 19° LEO / 02° LIB

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In my opinion this is really the strongest resonance that can occur between charts.
The result is a composite conjunction.

The angle of his Isis to your Osiris is the same as the angle of your Isis to his Osiris. Also the Isis/Osiris angle in his chart is the same as the Isis/Osiris angle in your chart, but in the opposite phase.

posted February 16, 2014 05:09 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
In my opinion this is really the strongest resonance that can occur between charts.
The result is a composite conjunction.

The angle of his Isis to your Osiris is the same as the angle of your Isis to his Osiris. Also the Isis/Osiris angle in his chart is the same as the Isis/Osiris angle in your chart, but in the opposite phase.

Coincidentally I have an exact Isis/Osiris (synastry) conjunction with someone who came back in my life recently. But I would be waaaaay more impressed to find something like a composite conjunction because of the underlying symmetrie/resonance.

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So then what is the difference between graduate souls and twin souls? Or I look at it like twin souls are graduate souls who when they meet activate the twinflame energy.

posted February 16, 2014 08:39 PM            

Thus far, we have a strong direction with certain aspects between a few mythological couples which define or represent divine masculine and feminine. Again, as Ceri's said, many answers can be found in the Helio for certain elements in the Tropical.

Taking a broad stab, I'd say the following has become important or is proving significant in our findings - separately and together, before now, and here:

• natal similarities: whether mostly Helio or also Tropical, as well as Draconic is to be determined. But we like seeing patterns in each natal that reflects or mirrors the other's.

• synastric mirroring: same as the above, but with certain configurations and features.

• (I like) highly condensed Tropical composites. It gives me a sense of unity and fusion.

• (Ceri prefers) 'condensed' Helio composites in the form of patterns, configurations, and that which 'pounces at you'. Things you don't have to go hunting for; connexions which pop, demanding attention.

• across the board, certain mythological pairings are becoming necessary to see in both soul mates, potential 'guardian' relationships (in the case of Graduate soul theory, or similar), and especially Twinflame connexions.

They are: ISIS / OSIRIS, SIVA / PARVATI, and RUDRA / KAALI.

When the above appear can provide greater insight into the particular connexion between those involved. Especially when patterns emerge.

I'm going to propose the following:

• in the case of very significant soul connexions, there should be a theme present across natals, synastry, and composite.

For example: if we have a likely soulmate relationship, we might see an EROS and PSYCHE theme; (or it may further define one of the three aforementioned.) In such case, I'd expect to see both strong in natal, preferably one with a prominent PSYCHE, the other, EROS. The synastric connexions should reflect it, potentially via DW. Midpoints count. FS can support the aspects. The crowning touch would then be a strong composite configuration emphasising the already present theme.

The above can and should be taken into account when considering the 'Big 3' mythological couples. We should see a definite theme throughout.

• in the event that more than one is represented at any level (Helio, Tropical, Draconic), this might be an initial indicator (if other elements are present) of a potential Twinflame connexion.

My logic is such that, if Helio is the soul, or dharma, and Tropical the consolidation of the soul's journey, and its particular purpose now, and Draconic providing definition to the karmic history, we should expect to see more than one faith, philosophy, mythology, or religion represented. It seems likely to appear somewhere, if you consider the length of a soul's journey on Earth.

One may be the focal point now, or be more central to the overall picture, but others should be there in the background. Ideally, strongly represented on levels separate from another. It might even be a means of 'checking up'; what might these 'checked boxes' indicate in terms of karmic gifts or debts? Is one pair prominent in a configuration denoting something in particular?

My emerging goal is becoming the ability to read Graduate, Twinflame, Guardian, and Soulmate astrology in the ways we do our more mundane relationships. To find answers to purpose that can provide advice and enlighten us to particular strengths, how to strengthen weaknesses, and, obviously, find the best ways to fulfil that purpose.

posted February 16, 2014 09:16 PM              

Very good thoughts, and clearly articulated, if I may add.

Your goal " to read Graduate, Twinflame, Guardian, and Soulmate astrology in the ways we do our more mundane relationships. To find answers to purpose that can provide advice and enlighten us to particular strengths, how to strengthen weaknesses, and, obviously, find the best ways to fulfil that purpose" would be of tremendous help to many of us who, despite all the information out there, still seek answers.

posted February 16, 2014 09:57 PM              

If I may, I also want to add that the 9th harmonic chart could be taken into account too, for determing possible soul–connections.

I feel that if two people are in fact a one–soul being (twinflames), you would find significant patterns, as well as mirroring/complementing going on in the 9th harmonic charts.

The 9th H represents the larger than life aspect, your purpose (much similar to the Dracos IMO, it has to do with the soul path), your ashram (what you devote yourself to), as well as marriage.
So it can show what you do together as a couple, a unit, and what you have to contribute to the world at large.

Unlike the 7th harmonic which is mostly about relationships, sex, and what you can give eachother, the 9th harmonic has to do with commitment to a greater purpose.
It doesn't have anything to do with relationships, but partnership and union for a greater good.

posted February 16, 2014 10:05 PM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
Did you see you posted at 11:11 LOL? Well that's really cool about the energies and the FB thing. Keep us posted as to what happens

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LOL yes I noticed that!

posted February 16, 2014 10:20 PM            

They're supposed to mimic the natal, correct? As in, having many of the same aspects, correct? I realise I'm unfamiliar with them. I was always looking for ties from a 9H to tropical-radix.

I'm really glad you took that first step, by the way. It made me smile to read about it. I've just been so spaced out lately. Not sure what's wrong with me. I can't focus, I'm agitated, and I just feel ... lost. Very lost, and alone.

Ridiculous, I know. But somehow I do.

posted February 16, 2014 10:21 PM            

8752 Flammeus to mean twinflames
13226 Soulie to mean soulmates

Let me know how it works for u.

p.s. For fun...

posted February 16, 2014 10:36 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Question about the 9H charts, Lavender:

They're supposed to mimic the natal, correct? As in, having many of the same aspects, correct? I realise I'm unfamiliar with them. I was always looking for ties from a 9H to tropical-radix.

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Comparing 9th H to the natal works really well too, but analyzing the 9th harmonics individually and comparing them to the potential twinsoul's chart can deliver significant results as well, atleast in my observation.

I have noticed that some of the aspects do mimic the natal ones, except they have a more wider orb and may be placed in a different sign as well.

For example, in my natal I have Sun in Virgo opposite Saturn in Pisces, exact.
In my 9th harmonic, its flipped to Pisces Sun and Virgo Saturn, but the degrees are too wide to be considered an opposition (7°)

posted February 16, 2014 11:08 PM              

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Originally posted by summerlite:
i picked 2 asteroids

8752 Flammeus to mean twinflames
13226 Soulie to mean soulmates

Let me know how it works for u.

p.s. For fun...

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LOL

My Flammeus: Virgo 9°15
My Sun: Virgo 8°17
My Pholus: Virgo 8°50
My Briede: Virgo 12°14
My Saturn: Pisces 9°04

His Sun: Virgo 8°43
His ASC: Virgo 8°56
His Galatea: Virgo 9°39
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His Flammeus: Gemini 1°59
His MC: Gemini 2°14
His Karma: Sagittarius 2°13

My Memoria: Gemini 0°01
My Unitas: Gemini 3°49
My Alma: Scorpio 28°35
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His Solie: Leo 12°49
His Anti–Vertex: Leo 13°43
His Aeternitas: Leo 14°52
His Eureka: Leo 16°13
His Hypnos: Leo 17°37

My ASC: Leo 13°43
My DNA: Leo 13°08
My Desiderata: Leo 11°13
My Hera: Leo 13°43
My Frigga: Leo 14°01
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My Soulie: Leo 6°56
My Sun/Moon mp: Leo 8°14
My Tyche: Leo 8°42
My Psyche: Aquarius 5°48

posted February 16, 2014 11:11 PM              

Composite Soulie conjunct Moon (3°) and Mars (4°)

In the Davison:

Flammeus is conjunct Solie exact!!!

Sabian symbol:

A man being unmasked at a masquerade.
The introvert's desire to protect himself from social judgment. Clinging to self-valuation. Conservation of experience.

This conjunction is part of a stellium consisting of Davison Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, P. of Fortune, as well as my natal DESC and his natal Vertex–Liebe!

It also opposes my natal Kama–Somnium, and his natal Hypnos–Aeternitas–Eureka–Medea

posted February 17, 2014 02:21 AM              

I would have these things to add.

° don´t underestimate the Davison; they are different and probably bear a different meaning than the composites, but that does not mean they are any less valid.

the composite represents a conclusion and a magnifying glass to the natals, and hence is so important.
The Davison is not like that.

In Paul Newman and Joanne Woodwards helio Davison they have a Pluto-Proserpina-opposition running along from Sirius to Vega.
And Persephone squares it. (all within one degree).

It was "their theme" probably, especially if you take into consideration that

in tropical:
his Pluto-DESC conjunct her Proserpina-DESC (all within one degree, too, and close to Sirius)

Pluto - Proserpina/ Persephone might also have some importance because in Roman times Persephone/ Proserpina was sometimes associated with Isis (especially in Apuleius Metamorphoses, which in the later chapters deal with initiation into the Isis-cult, which was big in the 1st century, and while waiting do be initiated, the protagonist listens to a story, curiously the story is of "Cupid and Psyche" - round and round it goes. lol)

° In tf-charts I would expect to find these fixed stars highlighted:

Sirius
Orion (Alnitak, Betelgeuse, maybe Rigel, too)
Vega
Pleiades / Alcyone

Sirius and Orions because of their association with Isis and Osiris who were clearly twinflames.
Vega because of it being on the axis with Sirius.
Alcyone most of all because IQ stated it.
The GC might play a role, too, possibly.
But while I am observing these latter two, I am quite sure about Sirius and Orion (and Vega).

I don´t believe Antares, Aldebaran or Regulus to bear special significance in terms of twinflamces, though they are special in their own way.

posted February 17, 2014 02:39 AM              

I agree with the significance of the 9th harmonic,b ut come from a slightly different perspective.

however, from what place ever I am reaching the conclusion, it is the same, the 9th harmonic is a very underrated one.

My reasoning for this is that the 9th harmonic represents "pure Threeness" (as David Hamblin and David Cochrane put it I think).

And wherever you are reading up on, twinflames are usually referred to as a "trinity", not a "twosome".

Why is that?
I believe this is so since they are not only connected to each other, but to the source, their Higher Self, or whatever.

the ingredience "three" is what pulls them out of the purely relational Yin-Yang-mold, and adds a spiritual dimension to it, giving them a goal or purpose to pour their energy into. I don´t know it is not easy to explain.

It also agrees well with the triangular shape being so emphasized.

Also while the base of a pyramid is a square, it contains four triangles (I think so at least) pointing to the same peak-point. Which of course brings us back to the 12 again. LOL (so the 12th harmonic is definitely of importance, too, but then again we already know that, it is our major aspects including the quinkunx and semisextile).

Anyway, the 9th harmonic, yes, I would add that most definitely. In the very least it has something to say about soul-relationships. But then again,w hat hasn´t ?

9th harmonic aspects:

40°
80°
120°
160°

posted February 17, 2014 02:44 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Question about the 9H charts, Lavender:

They're supposed to mimic the natal, correct? As in, having many of the same aspects, correct?

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9th harmonic chart is the natal chart, just that it highlights the 9th harmonic aspects, that might you not see otherwise.

And here there is a split among astrologers I think.
Some only consider the aspects, using it to see the harmonic relationships, otherwise not seen easily in the natal chart.

Others use it as a stand alone chart (based upon the Vedic tradition, though the Vedic astroloy is very different from WEstern, so we are mixing up two different systems here, maybe it is valid, I jsut think we should be aware that we do), and then also compare it to the tropical chart.

posted February 17, 2014 02:50 AM              

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Originally posted by summerlite:
i picked 2 asteroids

8752 Flammeus to mean twinflames
13226 Soulie to mean soulmates

Let me know how it works for u.

p.s. For fun...

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Hmm, I feel very reserved about these asteroids, especially Flammeus.

However, it made me laugh to find in our helio composite:

Juno: 29.11 Taurus
FLAMMEUS: 29.37 Taurus
Parvati: 00.14 Gemini

posted February 17, 2014 04:39 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
lavender,

I agree with the significance of the 9th harmonic,b ut come from a slightly different perspective.

however, from what place ever I am reaching the conclusion, it is the same, the 9th harmonic is a very underrated one.

My reasoning for this is that the 9th harmonic represents "pure Threeness" (as David Hamblin and David Cochrane put it I think).

And wherever you are reading up on, twinflames are usually referred to as a "trinity", not a "twosome".

Why is that?
I believe this is so since they are not only connected to each other, but to the source, their Higher Self, or whatever.

the ingredience "three" is what pulls them out of the purely relational Yin-Yang-mold, and adds a spiritual dimension to it, giving them a goal or purpose to pour their energy into. I don´t know it is not easy to explain.

It also agrees well with the triangular shape being so emphasized.

Also while the base of a pyramid is a square, it contains four triangles (I think so at least) pointing to the same peak-point. Which of course brings us back to the 12 again. LOL (so the 12th harmonic is definitely of importance, too, but then again we already know that, it is our major aspects including the quinkunx and semisextile).

Anyway, the 9th harmonic, yes, I would add that most definitely. In the very least it has something to say about soul-relationships. But then again,w hat hasn´t ?

9th harmonic aspects:

40°
80°
120°
160°

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Wow, yes!!!
Awesome info!
Makes a lot of sense if you look at it that way too!

BTW:
12 also refers to the 12–chakra system that TFs are known to be templated with.

And there's also 12 zodiac signs

And number 9 in numerology is the last number of the cycle.
Its vibration is that of spirituality, universal love, compassion, completion, multi–talent, creativity, healing, etc.
Unlike the rest of the numbers, which are ruled by 1 or 2 planets each, 9 is ruled by all the planets.

posted February 17, 2014 05:50 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
http://numerology-thenumbersandtheirmeanings.blogspot.de/2011/05/number-9.html

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posted February 17, 2014 06:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
No specific Twin Flames or other sorts of partner-potentials around just now, but going by your theories or focus, I imagine IC at 2.36 Libra qualifies strongly in potentials.

However, what's your take on having asteroids like Cardinal, Priestley, Ubasti, Orpheus, Humboldt and more on 2 Libra's IC? Persephone's 3 Libra, too, and Ute (Indian nation?), Wild and Pohjola (Finnish word for North, part Kalevala based, part modern insurance company) were around 0-1 Libra from what I recall.

2 Lib:
Tanemahuta 2.13 Lib, 2.02 Humboldt, Ubasti, Hannibal, Elias, Cardinal, Priestley, Orpheus, Gothard

I'm mostly noting because I have Horus + Church at 26 Gemini opp SGC. Horus, Beer, Artemis, Church, Moriarty, Gopalan and I forget what. Echnaten is always conj Horus, so it's at 27 Gem, too.
Leo Sun is ~17 mins conj Tutenchamun, Leo ASC some 1,5 degrees conj Akhenaten and Siwa, which among other things was apparently the site of the oracle of Amun. Amun is ~13 Virgo with Haumea, Nefertiti 14 Virgo, so Amun-things tying to the Akhenaten-Nefertiti pair there despite it being Aten with them and apparently Tutenchaten's original name?

Logos is 3 Leo (antiscia SN) and Bishop at 4 Leo. I am not a conventionally religious person though obviously spiritually leaning, if here or whatever.

26 Sag has asteroids Lust and Ariadne among other things. Industria + Eureka flank the degree.
Leo Karma is 1,5 conj Sun and trine GC.
Chiron is ~27 Aries trine both ends.

I also have Valentine conj the Great Attractor at 14 Sag.

Not all priestly sorts are celibate and the past isn't now, but what should one make of having all the church-related asteroids near something significant? Of having the SGC-IC boast two priestly figures, or a direction as well with Cardinal? A past as a priest/ess of Bast, love lost (Orpheus), and the draconic spot for all that from 2 Libra going to 6 Aquarius's DC to boot, to further point at partner stuff?

Pholus around 10-11 Pisces from what I recall, opp Destinn, square Draconic ASC and natal Psyche (10 Sag + Gem), etc.
Atlantis 9 Tau, drac Atlantis 13 Virgo.

A friend of mine did some Tarot or angel cards style glance ahead for me a bit under a year ago, and the Future card was Twin Flames. She specified that in her opinion the card suggested more a spiritual companion of some sort since TFs are so rare, but I'm not sure if either kind has really shown up in my life so far yet.

Oh, and if Thomas means twin, does asteroid Thoma also qualify? Mine is on my DC with Godiva, Gilgamesh, Hiroshima and whatever. Thomas, Thoma, Thomana, what do you want to look at in potentials?

Other question was to ask about the 12R or 6R style phrasings earlier. Is that 12th Room or something, as opposed to 12th House like in English?

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I'm also adding in something from Ceridwen, since it seems to pertain to the topics.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The fixed star Thuban is on 7 Virgo.

"Sirius, Queen's Chamber (Feminine), Pleiades (Sister Stars)
Orion, Kings Chamber, Thuban
Thuban was the pole star when the pyramids allegedly were built "

"Thuban (Hebrew), the subtle. Some 4,620 years ago it was the Polar Star. It is still a very important star in nautical reckonings, guiding the commerce of the seas, and thus 'the god of this world' is represented as winding in his contortions round the pole of the world, as if to indicate his subtle influence in all worldly affairs."

... one of the key concepts of this star seems to be protection and guardianship. Bernadette Brady calls it the "guarding feminine".

She also writes: "it will indicate issues around giving and sharing".
That the owner may have a great gift, but may fear to use that gift, fearing it could get exhausted, and the lesson implied is to let go of that fear and USE the gift inherent here.

Thuban is in the constellation of Draco (we all are aware of the dragons, aren´t we?), and it is also connected to the Egyptians or actually the pyramids of Giza (just like Orion and Sirius).

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Venus 6.57 Virgo R
Kaali 8.10'-8.23'-ish Virgo, I forget
Rudra 23 Libra (Spica + Arcturus) so antiscion ~6 Pisces

Venus is joined by Gabby's Requiem and Deprez among other things, as well as Quirk and Sado from what I recall. Pyramus, Nuwa, Patrickgene, Constable, Cortesi, Kobolda, Jedicke, Xosa.
7 Virgo has Laotse, Goto, Ask (first man in Norse myths) and Tyr (the one who helps bind Fenris with the sacrifice of his hand).
8 Virgo's Kaali is joined by at least Philosophia, Fox, Nike, Adams, Homeros and Swindle. If you read Adams for Adam, that's two first men conjunct and with Venus. My Eva is conjunct Mars.

As for partners and past lives, I talked to my first psychic about past lives since last posting and there was talk of a partnership from one life when I was around 40, so something possibly to come (backed up by another person's Tarot reading about the year to come). The other life that first showed up was pure amusement otherwise since apparently I'd be rather OLD. Way beyond your continents old or anyone she'd ever met before. ;P Oh, me or oh, world. Funny much, or "Then what are you still hanging around here for?" shaking of the head, depending on how you want to take anything such.

In Fixed Stars, ASC is conj the Asellus and Praesepe cluster while the Antivertex and Giza hit Bellatrix (Orion's left shoulder). Sun with Regulus. Sun/Moon MP around Alcyone/Pleiades.

posted February 17, 2014 07:14 AM              

quite honestly I can´t do much with long asteroid lists. I might posting them myself, but can understand if noone else can do anything with it either. lol
I need visuals. And I need coherence, connected themes. And frankly most of the asteroids you posted do not resonate with me at all.
So I cannot really help you there.

posted February 17, 2014 07:20 AM              

Thoma is yet another asteroid that falls onto 27 Sagittarius for me (so much going on on that degree).

Thomas is on 28 Leo, almost on Regulus, and exactly on parvati.