posted February 18, 2014 06:33 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Actually my theory was that the 8th house (either planets in there or the ruler of it), will invariably be in strong aspect to the 1st or 2nd house of the other person, at least for deep soulful stuff, maybe tf`s, too.

(5th - 8th happens frequently, too, but places more emphasis on the sex and physical passion; 4th - 8th is extremely deep stuff, too; 7th - 8th very passionate in relationships, too, but on a more committed basis).

The 8th house is the house where you encounter your deepest soulbonding (it is in the relationship quadrant, it is a fixed house speaking of bonding/ lastingness, it is a water house = soulful/ emotional).

The 1st and 2nd house are on the other side of the axis and describe the very instinctive personal make up of a person. Which is why the 8th - 2nd, and probably - 1st is so intense.

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I agree 100%!
8th house is major major soulstuff, deep love, transformation, etc.
Its theme definitely fits for me in the case with my Virgo man.
I never realized we had so much 8th house stuff going on!

I'm on the inside, he's on the outside.

Upon first glance there's no obvious signs of any 8th house action.

But if you look at our secondary 8th houses (his Asc, my 12th), a lot is evident!

My secondary 8th house ruler (Moon)
• conjuncts his IC–ruler (Jupiter) 2°
• opposes his Desc–ruler (Neptune) 1°
• opposes his 5th house ruler (Saturn) 0°

His secondary 8th house (ASC) and secondary 8th house planet (Sun)
• conjunct my ASC ruler and 2nd house planet (Sun) 0°
• oppose my 8th house planet (Saturn) 0°

His secondary 8th house ruler (Mercury)
• squares my secondary 8th house ruler (Moon) 2°
• squares my IC co–ruler (Mars)

Our primary 8th houses

His 8th house ruler (Mars)
• widely conjuncts my Mercury 6°
• trines my 8th house ruler (Neptune) 2°

My 8th house ruler (Neptune)
• widely squares his 2nd house ruler & planet (Venus) 4°
• trines his Moon 1°

My 8th house traditional ruler (Jupiter), also my 5th house ruler
• conjuncts his Pluto (Well DANG! )
• trines his IC–ruler 3°

posted February 18, 2014 06:49 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Definitely, Lavender, on the house-overlays. Lot of mimicry, too.

In the Tropical:

7H:

His 7R (SUN) is on the GC and conjunct my 7R (NEP) in my natal 4H. (His SUN is also conjunct his natal NEPTUNE, which is an intriguing resonance. Mine is sextile.)

In his 7H, I have NNODE-VESTA-OSIRIS and ISIS. (OSIRIS is opposite his VENUS, VENUS/MARS, EROS/PSYCHE and ISIS is opposite his MARS and PSYCHE.) My OSIRIS and PSYCHE are parallel his 7C.

Interestingly, while his SUN conjoins my 7R, his MOON is parallel it - as well as MERC, JUP, URA, his own NEP, my DESTINN, and SNODE. (My 7R has an erotic and fated feel to it, with MARS, EROS and VX parallel.)

I think the fact our 7Rs are conjunct is rather resonant.

8H:

My SUN-PLUTO is conjunct his VESTA, OSIRIS/UNION there. My ASC, VENUS, JUPITER, and JUNO are also there.

His 8R (MERC) is on the GA conjunct my VALENTINE, semisextile MERC (chart-ruler), and conjunct my 7R (NEP). It's also sextile my SUN, PLUTO, trine my NNODE, VESTA, and ISIS. But it's exactly conjunct my VAL.

His 8H has an interesting flavour, too, with MERC and VENUS parallel, not to mention his SNODE.

And so, his 8C is parallel his ISIS and my VENUS. His 8R (MERC) is parallel my MERC, MARS, URA, VX, KARMA, and DESTINN. It's contraparallel my OSIRIS and PSYCHE.

His 8R is parallel my 8R (MARS), which is another resonance.

My 8R is parallel both his and my UNION. His PLUTO, too. His BML is conjunct the 8C. (My PRIAPUS is parallel the 8C, interestingly. Though they're too far to conjunct, and not parallel, his BML conjuncts my 8C, which is parallel my 8C. Heh. That explains a lot.)

5H:

His JUPITER, EROS, and VENUS are in my 5H. My 5R (SATURN) is on the SGC, conjunct his OSIRIS exactly, as well as parallel. It also squares his SUN-NEP, sextiles his MOON, trines his NNODE, parallels his BML, and contraparallels his VESTA and AMOR.

My PSYCHE is in his 5H. His 5R is also MERC, so the same applies as for the 8R.

A few things of note:

His chartruler / 1R is URA, which is conjunct his 7R and my VALENTINE. It's parallel his SUN, my 7R, (and conjunct) his DESTINN (and my DESTINN and KARMA) and my EROS, VX, etc.

My chartruler / 1R is MERC, conjunct his VALENTINE and my UNION. It's parallel his chartruler, (URA) my own URA, his VENUS, his SNODE, and my KARMA and DESTINN. My MERC is also conjunct my EROS, which tends to eroticise things. (His is sextile.)

Curiously, our natals share a VENUS/EROS/URA feel: my EROS conj my chartruler, parallel URA, and VENUS conj my ASC. His VENUS-EROS sextile his AQU ASC. His URA also parallels my EROS.

Anyhow.

His 7R (SUN) is parallel my VALENTINE, sextile my APHRODITE and trine my ISIS. It's square my 5R.

My 7R (NEP) is conjunct his SUN, and parallel his 8R and 5R.

Interestingly, his ISIS is conjunct my JUP which rules my IC. My OSIRIS is opposite his VENUS, which rules his. That's a neat affinity.

That's a gist. I remember I once wrote down all of the cool mirroring. I'll have to dig that up. But there's the basic overlays.

I had ISIS and OSIRIS still loaded. Heh! Oh, well. It's cool that there are some aspects there.

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Awesome, Indigo!

Lol our 7th houses are connected too, like yours!
His Desc conjuncts my Desc co–ruler (Saturn) exact

Same thing with our Asc's:
His Asc conjuncts my Asc ruler (Sun) exact

Interesting lol

posted February 18, 2014 07:10 AM              

His ASCruler - Jupiter on 10 virgo- and his intercepted ASC ruler - Mars 11 VG- opposes my ASC-ruler - Jupiter 11 Pisces - exactly.

As a matter of fact I think all his cardinal house-rulers are affected by me in some way.

Also noteworthy on first glance.
His DESC-ruler (also his IC-ruler) - Mercury 9 Sag - conjunct my ASC and Neptune-NN-conjunction.

my DESC-ruler - Mercury 25 Sag - conjunct his Sun 26 Sag, moon and MC 28 Sag.

his traditional 8th house ruler - Mars 11 Virgo- opposes my ASC-ruler (11 Pisces)

posted February 18, 2014 08:58 AM              

His 5th house ruler (Moon)in 10th squares his 11th house ruler (Saturn) in 7th.

my 5th house ruler (Venus) in 1st squares my 11th house ruler (Pluto) in 10th.

Mirroring issues between how to express and receive love. It even falls into complementing houses. the Emphasis on the 10th house is there in both cases (though for him it is the 5th ruler, for me the 11th ruler - which is complimentary in itself, as 5th and 11th are an axis anyway).

But it is also complementary because for him the 7th house (through his 11th house ruler) is emphasised, and for me the 1st house (through my 5th house ruler).

for him the issues about giving and receiving love has more to do with how he relates to other people, how he needs others to compliment him or complement him, which is probably why he is so people - oriented, as he needs the confirmation by an "audience" to feel valued and increase his feelings of selfworth and that it is alright how he expresses himself - though Selfworth is more 2nd house, but for him the 2nd house ruler is Venus in 11th house (!) and squaring his 8th house ruler Pluto in 7th house. So it`s a theme there, too.

For me the complex around giving and receiving lvoe (5th - 11th) expresses more on the 1st house level, I am more concerned with my very own presentation and identity than other people.
Of course that is a Yin-Yang interplay there at a core level (1st-7th) including the 5th-11th.

my 2nd house is of concern as well. Saturn, ruler of 2nd house, in 8th house; Moon, ruler of 8th house in 2nd house, Moon exactly quinkunx Saturn.

So not only we share a Venus-Pluto-square natally, but we also have a tension aspect involving the 2nd and 8th house.

so right there, we have the pairings of 1st- 7th, 5th-11t, 2nd-8th mirroring and complementing each other, just on a basic natal level.

posted February 18, 2014 01:19 PM            

I've heard it twice in a month, and it NEVER plays. Last time before that had to've been October.

I awoke to it playing at either 4:14 or 4:16, but I went to my phone to check the time and posts on it like a zombie reanimated at 4:18. AM, mind.

I awoke specifically to this line:

Do not cry out or hit the alarm.
You know we're friends 'til we die.
And either way you turn,
I'll be there.
Open up your skull,
I'll be there.
Climbing up the walls ...

And the Thom Yorke's desperate scream ALWAYS gets me.

It's such a creepy, stalker-ish sort of song, but it always haunts me if I'm straying too far somehow. It's like this crazy intense reminder.

And yet that remix is so ... sexy. It's just sexy. To me, at least. And it hooks me. At the start of it, I drop what I'm doing, and just stare into space, like I'm terrified of something, but also hooked. It's like 'something's coming'. And I just let myself lie back and be lulled.

The fact it's woken me up a couple of times is a bit astonishing. It's like my brain is keyed into it.

I just remember, as I awoke, irritated I was up at 4AM, and it had ended, 'I know we're friends 'till we die.'

Whatever the hell that means. But it reminds me of something inescapable. Of him.

I thought I'd share.

posted February 18, 2014 01:36 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I should add that significant 5H/7H/8H themes must be present in ANY significant relationship that features soul connexions. I have these with several others.

I think that, too, might be more likely with older souls. The greater presence of such synastries.

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The 5th will be needed in ANY attraction-scenario (romantic attraction I mean). However the 8th makes it crawl under your skin and nest inside your soul.

posted February 18, 2014 01:39 PM            

Holy God, Scorpio.

And let's not forget that the 7R is VENUS, which is all up in everyone's business. Aaaand in Scorpio. Like practically everything. VX-LACHESIS parallel the DSC, too.

NNODE in 8H and parallel the 8C, square JUNO.

ASC-R (PLUTO) in 12H conjunct SATURN-LUST-ATLANTIS.

KARMA-DESTINN in 12H, conjunct AVX.

AMOR on 5C in 4H.

5R (NEP) conjunct EROS on the GC trine PSYCHE?

VALENTINE parallel SUN, conjunct MOON all in 1H.

Yep. Heh. Just: 'yep'.

Now that we're talking again, he was really worried we'd fall back into old bad habits (I'd stop answering) and was really adamant that we don't. He goes pretty crazy when we're out of contact. But so do I.

Highly concentrated Tropical composite in Scorpio.

That'll do it.

posted February 18, 2014 01:59 PM              

I am mentioning it, cause I see that not only do you have it lined up in scorpio but also in the 1st house.

Paul Newman and his wife had a line up of Sun, Mercury, Venus, Destinn, Osiris and Eros in 1st house, but also with Pluto on the DESC.

They also had a slew in the 2nd house.

Piere and Marie Curie:
Venus, Mercury, Ceres, Pallas in 1st house (Pallas exact conjunct ASC!)
with Sun and Karma in 7th.

Robert browning and Elizabeth Barrett Browning

Uranus, Juno, Destinn, Karma, SAturn and Neptune in 1st house, with NN conjunct ASC (but from 12th)

Venus in 7th house, opposing Juno in 1st

I suspect though that the 12th house will be prominent, too, as it is the house that connects us with the colllective supraconsciousness, our own subconsciousness or the spirit (which often makes it difficult to live in mundane reality).

If romance (and sometimes children) is part of the package, usually I see a prominent 5th house. Either a stellium there, or a planet in there, "holding the reins" so to speak (by dispositorship over most other planets, or being a focus of the aspect pattern or whatever).

posted February 18, 2014 02:47 PM              

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Originally posted by summerlite:
Ceridwen, do you have any other couple asteroids exact or close conjunctions in synastry?

tropical
draconic
helio

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Using only conjunctions/ Oppositions at reasonably close degrees (3 degrees), but also using some more obscure ones i guess.

my asteroids first - then his

tropical
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Penelope (21 Sco) conjunct Odysseus (19 Sco)

Bacchus (13 Sco) opposite Ariadne (15 Tau)

Guinevere (10 Cap) conjunct Arthur (11 Cap)

Jessie (9 Sco) conjunct Maria (11 Sco)

Draconic
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Nofretete (15 Aries) opposite Amenhotep (15 Libra)

Amor (22 Pisces) opposite Psyche (23 Virgo

Jessie (29 Aqua) conjunct Magdalena (1
Pisces)

helio
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Hathor (5 Virgo) conjunct HOrus (4 Virgo)

Bacchus (29 Sco) opposite Ariadne (00 Gemini)

Guinevere (13 Cap) conjunct Arthur (16 Cap)

Mary (21 Libra) opposite Jesse (22 Aries)

Mixed levels

Draconic to tropical
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his Dr Isis (8 Cap) conjunct my Osiris (7 Cap)

my Dr Echnaton (27 Gem) opposite his NOfretete (27 Sag)

his Dr Aphrodite (27 Aries) opposite my Adonis (27 Libra)

my Dr Adonis (17 Aqua) opp. his Inannen (14 Leo)

my Dr Venus (25 Aries) opp. his Adonis (24 LIbra)

his Dr Siva (26 Leo) conjunct my Parvati (28 Leo)
my Dr Siva (4 PIsces) conjunct his Parvati (00 Pisces)

posted February 18, 2014 03:09 PM            

How the 7R is VENUS, which is:

• conjunct ASC, SUN, MOON, MERC, JUP, VALENTINE, and LILITH;

• parallel ASC, SUN, MOON, MERC, JUP, URA, VALENTINE, LILITH;

• semisextile NEP, EROS;

• semisextile SAT, PLU, LUST, ATLANTIS;

• semisquare MARS;

• quincunx PSYCHE;

• opposite CHIRON;

• trine AMOR

There's not a lot it doesn't hit, and that incorporates all of the major planets.

So the 7R is making aspects to EVERY house ruler.

And it's specifically conjunct (or parallel or both):

• SUN (9R)
• MOON (intercepted 8H)
• MERC (8R), (10R), (11R)
• JUP (2R)
• URA (3H)

It's semisextile:

• NEP (5R, and 4R)
• SAT (intercepted 2H)

• It's semisquare MARS (6R)

And, perhaps most interestingly, is how VENUS is not only the 7R, but also the 12R, due to the way the 8H and 2Hs are intercepted.

VENUS and PLUTO are also semisextile; creating another connexion between 12H and 7H.

Another cool linkage is how NEP rules both the IC and 5H.

I'm not sure why the 2H and 8H gobbled up the signs CAN and CAP. MOON and SAT are semisextile, so, again, a soft linkage.

The most glaring hard aspect is CHIRON in the 7H, opposite VENUS and the SCO stellium. Intriguing, as CHIRON figures prominently in our Helio.

The 8R figures strongly, too, with MERC (8R) conjunct SUN, ASC, MOON, VENUS, JUP, URA, VALENTINE, and parallel MOON, MARS, VENUS, VALENTINE.

So, I'd say, in the Tropical composite, there's a very strong interplay of 7H / 1H / 8H, very interconnected; as if all that's in the 1H is drawing from the 7H, and 8H.

Pretty interesting.

I like how the 5R and IC-R are 1H NEP-EROS on the GC, and trine 5H PSYCHE. 😊

It all feels like us. Just this strange way we're always connected, how the obstacles which have thwarted most haven't been able to be 'enough' to let go. That we keep trying, however we can, even if it's a year or two in the background, we're never APART apart.

posted February 18, 2014 03:13 PM            

And doesn't it just make you feel like there's this crazy intense bonding? That somehow, they're just THERE? Like you aren't you, or existing, if they're not there somewhere? Even in the background?

posted February 18, 2014 03:15 PM              

Could you please take a look. So much of what you've said in the previous post applies to my comp. I am playing devil's advocate here, because I don't think this is a TF relationship. I'd like to think this is a variant of the SM type, but I have little idea of how much a variant it is. It may fit into one of the other categories mentioned in this thread. I'm posting the composite here. Have already posted the Helio on page 25. So we have:

* a relatively full 1st and 12th house
* Osiris conjunct Sun
* Kaali conjunct Union and Karma
* IC at GC
* 4 planets at 29 degrees (is that interesting?)

We don't have Osiris conjunct Isis, or Kaali conjunct Rudra - which would be the real deal, so to speak. Where do we fit do you think?

posted February 18, 2014 03:22 PM            

I also noticed that NEP is your 7R, which is in the 29°. Is it parallel anything? Is it interlinked with the ASC or the 1H placements?

posted February 18, 2014 03:22 PM              

This is not happening in my composite with Mr Sag. 7th house ruler here is Sun, falling into 11th house. 8th house ruler is Mercury, also in 11th house, but not conjunct Sun.
Actually Mercury rules 5th and 8th house, falls into 11th house, is in mutual reception with Jupiter in 5th house, which rules 11th house, and is conjunct Neptune, ruler of the 2nd house.

So in this case, the rulers of all fixed houses are tightly connected to each other (by the mutual reception and wide opposition of Merucry and Jupiter and the tight conjunction of Mercury and Neptune), and it is manifesting in a sigsawing between 11th and 5th house.

It is quite a different picture of course, and it doesn`t look as condensed acomposite. Nevertheless I can say that no man has ever affected me the way he does; not necessarily in a romantic-sexual way, but the spiritual experiences and unfolding of potential and many more things taking place, i am pretty sure that is quite unique in my life and will not happen with anyone else again. It is just weird.
I don´t really know what in the astrolgoy behind it really points to that, but it is happening and has so for seeral years, so it must be written in the stars in some way, I might just not get the clue this time.

posted February 18, 2014 03:30 PM            

😉

posted February 18, 2014 03:44 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Like you aren't you, or existing, if they're not there somewhere? Even in the background?

Or maybe that's the SCO. Heh. 😉

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Hmm, I do feel a connecdtion to Jude, that is for certain. And leaving London this time was a nightmare. Everytime I am too close it feels like a bond (or is that a leash?) is snapping into place, and it feels very difficult to snap out of it so to speak.

But even though there is this feeling of a "tie" (but then my Sautrn conjuncts his SN exact in our 8th house, and his Saturn conjuncts my karma exact in our 7th house and his DESC conjuncts my SN exact), there is no feeling of urgency, or intensity or something like that.

And clear no to the last part of what you wrote.
Actually that is what I felt (and feel) surrounding Mr Sag. I even wrote that to some friends after seeing him (before really talking with him even), how suddenly I felt like I was "more", and how I felt more myself than ever, and suddenly really understood or remembered who I really was at the core of m.e.
Somehow it felt like he had a key, his presence, his energy alone, to unlock a door, to my inner child maybe, or to a very primal core of myself. I don´t know it is so hard to explain.

Given that it is not that condensed I probably shouldn`t feel the way I do, ut I do, so I don´t know...

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posted February 18, 2014 03:45 PM              

I will come back to yours.

posted February 18, 2014 03:51 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Is that VENUS-DESTINN square KARMA, Astro keen?

I also noticed that NEP is your 7R, which is in the 29°. Is it parallel anything? Is it interlinked with the ASC or the 1H placements?

I like how the VENUS-DESTINN (if I'm reading it properly) is trine the 5H MOON. I don't like how it's not aspecting the SUN. Is it parallel?

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Yes, Venus/Destinn is square Karma/Kaali/Union
Karma/Union is parallel NN/Saturn

posted February 18, 2014 04:04 PM            

I feel like a pre-schooler trying to keep up with Ph.D. level coursework in this thread, but in case my data is of interest to anyone, let me summarize briefly (or not so briefly as the case may be):

Fixed Stars (all 1 degree or less):

Mercury (his probable chart ruler, and my 7th house ruler) conjunct Sirius (composite)
Jupiter (my chart ruler) conjunct Vega (helio composite and Davison)
Uranus conjunct Betelguese (helio composite; also a bit wider in composite)

GC:

More relationship to the GC than I previously thought. For example, composite Aura and composite Chiron fall on the GC exact. Partner's ASC likely opposes.

SGC:

My Sun and Angel, our composite Atlantis, and his Karma are all conjunct within less than 30 minutes of 2 Libra. His Saturn sextiles that point, and his Juno and Siva square it, exactly.

Standard synastry aspects:

Too many to list particularly when dealing with the love, fate, and spiritual asteroids, but includes my Venus trine his Sun, a very close Venus/Chiron double whammy, and a Sun/Saturn double whammy.

Some of the asteroid synastries that particularly fascinate me include a close Vesta-Vesta conjunction (I think Vesta is overlooked a lot), my Cupido and his Nessus at Taurus 9 while his Amor and my Nessus are at Taurus 14, his Valentine conjunct my Moira in the 7th house, my Anteros, Amor and Karma conjunct his Psyche, and a Lust exact opposition. I'm particularly fond of his Dionysus conjunct my Ariadne in the 7th house, especially given our respective histories.

Soulmate Couples in Composite:

Isis conjunct Osiris (0.17)

Siva semisextile Parvati (1.34) [Siva in composite conjunct my natal ASC and Parvati in composite conjunct his natal Moon]

Psyche trine Eros (a bit over 2)

Jupiter semisquare Juno (0.26)

Just to name a few of the more important ones. There's some stuff in helio,draconic, and Davison too, but I get too overwhelmed trying to sort it out.

As I've said before, I'm quite skeptical of the twinflame concept. I believe I have multiple soul mates, and am part of a soul group, but I don't feel like I've found the other half of my soul. Then again, I'm not looking for that any more. As someone old enough to be the mother or grandmother of the people posting here, I felt like there were pieces missing when I was younger, but now that I've spent years in therapy and am past my second Saturn return, that's no longer an issue. You get to be my age, you just don't want to die alone :-)

posted February 18, 2014 04:56 PM            

Fate's SNODE-KARMA-SATURN is on my MOON, so, I can relate to that. It also parallels my KARMA-DESTINN. Yeah. I can relate.

We don't see each other much, despite wanting to. The leaving is too hard. It's never long enough. And I feel like a part of me is lost in longing for weeks. Not pretty.

Astro keen:

I'll have to have a closer look.

Delilah:

posted February 18, 2014 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

Delilah:

That's a very close composite conjunction of ISIS-OSIRIS! I keep wondering what that means, as he and I have one, too. I think which one is represented where has something to do with what it all means, too.

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I'm sure you're right, but I'd be the last person to try to put the meaning(s) into words, although I can look at the charts and get a rather global non-verbal sense of it.

We both have a wide (a bit over 3) Isis/Osiris conjunction in Virgo in our natals. They are conjunct in composite, helio composite, and draconic composite. They don't conjunct is Davison and synastry, although there are a ton of mostly 0 degree aspects of Isis and Osiris to planets and asteroids. In synastry, one of the more significant is probably his Isis conjunct my Venus (1) while my Osiris bQ his Venus (0).

Not sure if the Sabians in the composites offer much help?

Composite Osiris @ 17 Virgo 55 (helio Composite Karma is also here):

An Ouija Board

Composite Isis @ 18 Virgo 12:

A Swimming Race

Helio Composite Osiris @ 23 Virgo 19:

Mary And Her Little Lamb

Helio Composite Isis @ 24 Virgo 32:

A Flag At Half-Mast In Front Of A Public Building

Draconic Composite; both Isis and Osiris @ 17 Leo: