posted February 19, 2014 03:29 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Delilah423:
I need to re-read this thread:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/000972-11.html

---

posted February 19, 2014 04:25 AM              

though it was very illuminating participating in this thread, I am not 100% convinced about everything in there, namely the 13th harmonic. It doesn`t vibe with me anymore.
Or at least I haven`t looked into it after that thread fell asleep.

The reason for the 13th back then was the 12 plus one higher self.
It doesn`t sit well with me, as I donīt think the Higher Self is something that is "superimposed", but is an integrative part of each. Which would actually bring me back to the 12th harmonic, instead of the 13th.

or maybe not

posted February 19, 2014 05:56 AM            

A Twin Flame will initiate the development of the Heart Chakra and will trigger the awareness of one's Immortal Nature. This can be done via romance, love in a marriage, tantrik sex, friendly advice by email, selfless familial support, a serendipitous meeting, through the Astral Plane in a Dream etc.

7th House Cusps, 7th House Lords and Pluto-Venus contacts still remain the most viable Astrological Clues when planets are concerned, and excess "Soul Mate" Pair Asteroids making harmonious aspects to "Love Asteroids" remain the best Asteroid Indicators IMHO.

------------------
Astrology Articles

posted February 19, 2014 11:48 AM            

Ceri, I have a question; maybe you can answer it, too, tgem.

Am I correct in assuming there is a set number of pairs? 6, I believe? Or did I misunderstand that?

posted February 19, 2014 01:40 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Wonderful to see that, iQ. I know I appreciate your stopping in to see what's going on in here.

Ceri, I have a question; maybe you can answer it, too, tgem.

Am I correct in assuming there is a set number of pairs? 6, I believe? Or did I misunderstand that?

I'm not sure if there's an unknown number or a determined number of Twinflame pairs.

---

posted February 19, 2014 01:59 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by iQ:
Excellent thread, have not read all the pages but would like to say this:

A Twin Flame will initiate the development of the Heart Chakra and will trigger the awareness of one's Immortal Nature. This can be done via romance, love in a marriage, tantrik sex, friendly advice by email, selfless familial support, a serendipitous meeting, through the Astral Plane in a Dream etc.

7th House Cusps, 7th House Lords and Pluto-Venus contacts still remain the most viable Astrological Clues when planets are concerned, and excess "Soul Mate" Pair Asteroids making harmonious aspects to "Love Asteroids" remain the best Asteroid Indicators IMHO.

---

posted February 19, 2014 03:02 PM            

This is what confuses me, tgem.

Ceri mentioned 6 Twinflame pairs in the aforementioned thread.

The guys over at Twinflames.ca (I think that's it) Mel and Nichole, also referenced 6 pairs - in a private correspondence. I may need to edit that out later; I'm not sure if it's to be public or not. It was Mel who told me.

I have my own reasons for being a little flabbergasted by that information.

But then that would mean 12 people on the planet. Out of, what, 8 billion?

Clearly, there are more than that who are connected to a greater something. That's a problem we solved in my LACHESIS, but this is reality here. I MUST get my facts straight.

Incidentally, I'm going to propose that LACHESIS (120) may be involved in a similar manner to ATLANTIS.

This is why.

When the top dog astrologer in the story who created the place for all of the Twinflames and those connected to them to come together and reunite, she ran the incorporation chart for the place because - duh, astrologer. Heh.

In the chart, the asteroid LACHESIS was in fall. And so, the used bookshoppe (from my dream) was named Lachesis Falling.

It was stuff that came to me, which I didn't know.

I wouldn't begin running charts in Astrodienst until 2010.

I'd no idea an asteroid named LACHESIS even existed. The chart was entirely fictional, based on my knowledge as an astrologer. Lachesis simply sounded right to me, as I'd been 'connected' to a name or title since my youth: Lathesis. I changed a single letter, and it became the Fate of Destiny.

Curiously, LACHESIS was in fall (7H) at the creation and launch of the story.

All of the above factors make me wonder if it isn't similarly configured like ATLANTIS and warranting greater investigation.

posted February 19, 2014 03:11 PM              

the number is related to twinflame-pairs that are connected to the same Higher Self. I think Mel and Nicole called it "soulextensions" in one of their videos, or I may be mistaken about that and mixing it up.

IQ explained it somewhere, too.

posted February 19, 2014 03:18 PM              

Twinsouls are 2 oversouls connected to each other.

Each oversoul has a certain amount of soulpersonalities (or soulextensions possibly). Those soulpersonalities on the same level (probably) would be twin flames, but would probably experience a strong attraction to the other soulpersonalities of the other oversoul as well, because they are connected to that oversoul.

Oversoul X has soulpersonalities...

X1, X2, X3, X4

Oversoul Y has soulpersonalities...

Y1, Y2, Y3, Y4 and so one (we can discuss the exact number later)

X1 and Y1 would be exact twin flames.

However X1 would still feel a strong attraction to Y2, Y3.... because they belong to the same oversoul their exact twinflame stems from.

They would also feel a strong resonance with their own group (X2, X3, X4) of course, but maybe more in terms of soulmated-ness, more sameness than complementarity.

At least that is the theory.

posted February 19, 2014 03:38 PM            

With the first person, there's
Juno-Jupiter, Pluto-Persephone conjunctions in tropical synastry.
Pluto-Persephone in draconic synastry.
None in helio synastry.

With the second person,
Zeus-hera in tropical synastry,
None in draconic synastry.
Juno-Jupiter, Pluto-Persephone in helio synastry.

Wouldn't the second person make more sense as spiritual soulmates and be more twinflamey?

But I am lost since there's also the possibility of being in same soulgroup which is somehow linked to the helio chart.

posted February 19, 2014 03:48 PM              

Moira still holds a lot of itnerest for me (it is exactly conjunct my Siva and that might be a reason).

As for Lachesis. I just bumped a very old thread on this.

In my natal chart LACHESIS Is exact conjunct DISCOVERY on 24 Taurus.

posted February 19, 2014 04:12 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
You can picture it like this.

Twinsouls are 2 oversouls connected to each other.

Each oversoul has a certain amount of soulpersonalities (or soulextensions possibly). Those soulpersonalities on the same level (probably) would be twin flames, but would probably experience a strong attraction to the other soulpersonalities of the other oversoul as well, because they are connected to that oversoul.

Oversoul X has soulpersonalities...

X1, X2, X3, X4

Oversoul Y has soulpersonalities...

Y1, Y2, Y3, Y4 and so one (we can discuss the exact number later)

X1 and Y1 would be exact twin flames.

However X1 would still feel a strong attraction to Y2, Y3.... because they belong to the same oversoul their exact twinflame stems from.

They would also feel a strong resonance with their own group (X2, X3, X4) of course, but maybe more in terms of soulmated-ness, more sameness than complementarity.

At least that is the theory.

If this is true?
Who knows?

---

I've seen IQ's chart on over souls. So you are saying twin souls are actually two over souls?

posted February 19, 2014 05:28 PM              

my natal:
Pluto sextile Atlantis (1)

his natal:
Pluto sextile Atlantis (1)

synastry:
my Pluto trine his Proserpina (1)
my Atlantis sextile his Proserpina (1)
my DNA conjunct his Pluto (1)
my DNA sextile his Atlantis (0)

his Pluto sextile my Proserpina (0)
his Atlantis trine my Proserpina (1)
his DNA conjunct my Proserpina (1)

his DNA sextile my DNA (0)

plus

his Cupido conjunct my Proserpina (0)
his Cupido sextile my DNA (1)
his Eros square my Atlantis (0)
his Amor squar emy atlantis (1)
his Eros quinkunx my Pluto exact
his Eros quinkunx my Pluto exact

my Lust sextile his Proserpina exact
my Cupido trine his DNA exact
my Eros quinkunx his DNA exact
my Cupido conjunct his Atlantis exact
my Cupido sextile his Pluto (1)
my Eros square his Pluto exact

Composite:

Pluto conjunct Atlantis (1) in Libra in 8th

Venus conjunct Prosperina (2) in Cap in 12th

Eros conjunct IC (2) in Taurus in 4th

Pluto-Atlantis square Venus-Proserpina
Pluto-Atlantis quinkunx Eros-IC
Eros-IC trine Venus-Proserpina

EDIT:

PLUS

my natal:
Ceres quinkunx Pluto exact
Ceres square Atlantis (1)
(Demeter conj. Vesta exact)

his natal:
Ceres sextile Proserpina exact
Demeter trine Proserpina exact

synastry:

his Amor opposite my Ceres exact
his Eros conjunct my Ceres (1)
his MOon conjunct my Demeter (1)

my ASC trine his Ceres exact
my IC conjunct his Ceres (2)
my Pluto opposite his Ceres (2)
my Atlantis trine his Ceres (1)

my DESC conjunct his Demeter exact
my Pluto trinehis Demeter (2-3)
my Atlantis opposite his Demeter (1)

composite:

Demeter and Ceres almost conjunct, but Ceres has the more exact aspects

Ceres in Pisces in 2nd
sextile Juno (1) in Taurus in 4th
sextile Moon (1) in Cap in 12th
trine DNA (3) in Sco in 10th
trine Lust 1) in Scorpio in 10th
trine Valentine exact in Scorpio in 10th
(also conjuncts ISis exact btw).

posted February 19, 2014 06:10 PM            

I've ALSO had that happen to me, SEVERAL TIMES during this lifetime, at various phases of my existence.

Because there's nothing I could do about it, I symbolically *offered it up* cosmically. They were bigger, stealthier, richer, and had ZERO good conscience.... Wolves dressed in sheep's clothing.

You cannot Serve two Masters-- you'll love the one, and hate the other. And there's the day of Choosing, and reckoning. In the ultimate end.... there's MORE to Gain for US-- because WE were the Fountains who Sourced it. THEY cannot! They will enjoy their 'temporary' glory. I LOVE the Source and Point where it ALLL flows out from.

"Some choose poorly!" (Scene from Indiana Jones, Temple of Doom!! )

posted February 19, 2014 06:16 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by summerlite:
Why Lachesis? I thought Atropos would make more sense.

---

posted February 19, 2014 06:39 PM            

Pain is our gift/challenge and lesson here....this would've a new level of pain, but with a grand reuniting to give xtra value and depth to the lessons learned!

Maybe the increase in population shows more and more have been reaching this point and this gives evidence of humanities spiritual growth.

posted February 19, 2014 07:07 PM            

In regards to the way you're explaining Twinflames ... Wow.

That's ... just wow.

So ... what I've been trying to do is find the others who are connected to the Oversouls to which I'm bonded? My 'siblings' and their counterparts from the Twinsoul?

If this is so, I have to grok it. Because everything just fell into place.

For example, (since I don't know why, but the 12 signs are such a big part of it for me):

OVERSOUL A:

Aries
Taurus
Gemini
Cancer
Leo
Virgo

OVERSOUL B:

Libra
Scorpio
Sagittarius
Capricorn
Aquarius
Pisces

Then ...

Aries - Libra
Taurus - Scorpio
Gemini - Sagittarius
Cancer - Capricorn
Leo - Aquarius

... would be Twinflames, relatively speaking.

Now, I don't mean signs specifically. But breaking it down that way helps for me.

In which case, in LACHESIS, we had:

CARINTHIAN OVERSOUL (Carinthus)

Aries Primary
Aries Secondary (Guardian 1)
Taurus Primary
Gemini Primary
Gemini Secondary (Guardian 1)
Gemini Tertiary (Guardian 2)
Cancer Primary
Cancer Secondary (Guardian 1)
Leo Primary
Leo Secondary (Guardian 1)
Virgo Primary
Virgo Secondary

ATAVIAN OVERSOUL (Atavus)

Libra Primary
Libra Secondary (Guardian 1)
Scorpio Primary
Scorpio Secondary (Guardian 1)
Sagittarius Primary
Sagittarius Secondary (Guardian 1)
Sagittarius Tertiary (Guardian 2)
Aquarius Primary
Aquarius Secondary (Guardian 1)
Pisces Primary

So ...

Aries Primary would be the Twinflame of Libra Primary, if I'm not misunderstanding.

Then I wonder:

Would Aries Secondary also be the Twinflame of Libra Secondary? And would Gemini Primary, Secondary, and Tertiary all be tightly bound with Sagittarius P, S, and T of the same - with the Primaries being Twinflames?

Just trying to put it in terms I understand.

Incidentally, I'd determined there could be three Guardians per each sign, making:

12 Primaries
12 Secondaries
12 Tertiaries

36 total. Three basically related to each sign energy, with something distinguishing the Primaries, which I knew were Twinflames of each other - I just didn't have the vernacular. It was a concept I'd no idea was a theory yet.

I remember later we decided it could be expanded beyond 36 if absolutely necessary, but wouldn't exceed 144. We stayed with multiples of 12 in any case.

posted February 19, 2014 07:39 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Gabby:
How do we know exactly when twin flames separated...
There's no way to know exactly, only theories.......here's mine....
Perhaps these twin flames separating is why we have seen an increase in ppl on the planet?
Perhaps some split long ago, others did it more recently because potentially the split timing is based on the souls development as to when it would be ready and need to separate to continue it's spiritual development and growth? It's need to gather more experience based on being 2 instead of 1 and learn love as a separate trying to reunite or accept itself as a separate soul feeling the pain and loss of something it cannot fully comprehend.

Pain is our gift/challenge and lesson here....this would've a new level of pain, but with a grand reuniting to give xtra value and depth to the lessons learned!

Maybe the increase in population shows more and more have been reaching this point and this gives evidence of humanities spiritual growth.

It's just a theory...

---

Gabby,

It's wonderful to see you pop in here. I greatly value your input.

Personally, I think it may be more individual than we think. (My husband was just asking this, on a purely theoretical level, of course.) How it would even happen; or why Oversouls might be created.

And I found myself chattering on as I tend to even when I'm not sure where it's coming from.

My thinking is that we see things like Atlantis involved (and the asteroid ATLANTIS) because a fall of a civilisation had something to do with it.

In the case of my theory regarding a potential OVERSOUL to which I'd be connected, they would have been created per the joint goal of two civilisations who both suffered tremendous losses through a war between them, and later the destruction of the civilisation - from which both originated.

Frankly, the motivation would then be to incarnate into beings on Earth to gain insight into how this happened, and why. There was a betrayal involved in some big way; that much seems to be at the top of everyone's consciousness.

So the individuals here on Earth would then be connected to each of these Oversouls who are bound together (Twinsouls, if I understand correctly) for this purpose.

Of course, that's MY theory, which came purely to me via bizarre 'data collection' across dreams, 'visions', 'strange knowledge', people and relationships, synchronicities - for several years, beginning in 2005.

I honestly think that everyone - or, in this case - every Oversoul - is different.

And, if THAT's true - isn't that terribly exciting?

Each Oversoul pair would have its own unique history and purpose for being. Such as your suggestion, Gabby; that some simply chose to split apart (or come together, depending) so that the ones to whom they're connected could learn greater lessons in relating and companionship?

I think it's rather inspiring, actually.

It DOES make you feel more grounded, in a way. As in we're all here with our individual plans, but we've all crossed paths in some way, in order to be here now, at this point in time.

It makes me fascinated and driven to learn more about others' experiences. What 'other Oversouls' may have to teach or share.

Providing it's, well, legitimately the case. And who can say, really?

posted February 19, 2014 07:55 PM            

By "coincidence" last Sunday after midnight, I bumped into a utube vid by someone named "goldraytwinflames".... I listened to the posting on July 10, 2013, 'why they run'. He described "Fear" -- how "Fear" is 'the great restrictor'... something about fear smothering up the chakras, and it turns into a "self-perpetuating" thing.

(Please correct me if I make mistakes here on this.... This is new territory to me.)

There were two 'natural' Fears-- of death, and of 'not surviving'.... (which is the space I've been in, that time ran out for me and I have fears that my body won't 'survive' the environmental circumstance it's in right now).

I've also had memories awakening SINCE DEC 21, 2013. Both 'this life' and quite surprisingly to me some Real past-life recall. (This is amazing, because I 'know' about past lives, had some ideas, but these are Living and relative to right NOW. I've been in such Wonder and amazement~~ like everything I thought IS real, but in a different way than what I had 'thought' it originally. Like almost holographic now... I'm clear that these are not hallucinatory/ nor delusions as far as I can detect! And have had INCREDIBLE validations in the past week-- like, Feb 11 time point around. o m g!! ...

I feel I am the QUEEN of DOUBTING and double-triple DOUBTING MYSELF!! I've been dealing with some ultra-paralyzing Saturn-Scorpio DEEP Fears. This video I watched on 'running' helped me GREATLY...

It DEFINITELY "sparked" ideas I've had. Ideas I've seem to always have had in the background noise of my Lifetime.

I have a terrible chart, yet a Wonderful un-pinged un-triggered wonder. It's like the Game of "Mouse Trap".... but the cage can't go down for the 'win' as I 'pieces' missing. (Love the TV Show intro to "Elementary"... the contraption.)

(clip) "Elementary" TV show, extended Title sequence [:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iX_WA2zb8I

I hadn't been paying attention to "romantic love" relationships materials... Been avoiding it.... I feel stupid about it. Not one to give 'advice' on romance as I've failed so incredibly miserably at it. (Venus OPP Saturn).

The "relationship" charts confuse me still--- However!! I feel that I DO have a good intuitive grasp on Composite Charts! I just still suck at the other... But when it dawns on me, it will be so cool. And maybe I'll have more presence in your posts around these things.

I had made that simple error that TF's is about all the commercial Candy and red Valentines and flying cherubs with arrows.

Confession is that I'm not a 'fluffy' person -- and fluff bores me terribly. (just a 'personal' thing, that's all.... maybe I'm too 'serious'... oh, I contain such multitudes of scorpionic DEPTHS... *big swoon here*

In cold fact, I feel a fear... (I'm not dangerous, I'm not a perp, I'm a law abiding citizen and no one is in danger--- just making it 'clear' in the Natural 3-D real world we live in here, on earth, okay?... ) I am speaking from a metaphysical realm, a meta-reality. Cosmically, I feel an objective awe of the Power I feel residing within me. It's like STAR TREK~~ The power of the Engines. The strength at the Core of it. The Power of Compassion Passion `whatever` is explosive... It's like at the center of that place, and I'm objectively looking at it-- In deep black outer space. I feel Alone. (Not so much lonely... just "Alone" by myself looking at it.) Cosmically and logically I KNOW others are there too. Just without sight of one another, not within feel of one another, but "there"...)

I've not yet been 'aware' that I've physically met anyone who Feels with my depths, and the ancient ancient incredible deep Callings I feel inside.

Sometimes it's like a twist on the Ray Bradbury short-story of "The Fog Horn"~~ The Creature who 'heard' that Certain Call, and swam up from the bottoms of the Lake to Behold another one of It's Kind. Some people interpret the story from the viewpoint of smashing the thing you love.... but I see it from a Different View. It's The Calling Forth.... The Longing to Be and to ReUnite with Ones Like Itself.

I was born on a Whitsunday--- A Sunday. The Feast of Pentecost.

I am MOST intrigued by the thoughts of GROUP SOULS reuniting once more... for the Greatest New Big Cosmic Re-Flame. In my Imagination World, This is my Longing.... What I fear in reality is that I will have missed 'being there' for it just because of some idiotic STUPID earth-circumstances. Stupid!! Duh-ME!! Feel soooo blinded and fogged in, it's terrible.

I pray that I be Right On Cosmic Time for this. Like the Bible story... (forgot prophet's name just now) verse is something close to.... "Now your Servant can rest in Peace, for my Eyes have Beheld Its Salvation"

I live like a wimp.... It's like I don't have that 'Protection' somehow that I need. (dunno, trying to figure it out)

There's a joke/story about a guy who stayed home from work one day....

While he's standing at the kitchen sink, looking out his window, he sees his sight-impaired neighbor taking his dog on a walk. The dog lifts its leg and pees on the man. The man reaches into his coat pocket, takes out a treat, pats the dog on the head, and gives him the treat. This kept repeating itself.

So the man at the window goes outside and greets his neighbor, and he asked him WHY he keeps giving 'treats' to the dog who keeps peeing on this man's leg. "Treat???" The blind man said, "I'm just trying to 'find out' where his MOUTH is... so I can kick him in the butt!!"

But in closing here... On Flames. Flames of Love. Flames of the Holy Spirit came on the Day of Pentecost, when the Apostles and disciples were gathered together. They had been told to wait there (after the Resurrection) until the Spirit Descended Upon Them. They were in terrible fear for themselves (with their Leader having been Murdered). They were following the instructions left them....

When the DOVE DESCENDED, it looked like Tongues of FLAMES upon each head. And although they spoke 'different languages' the MARVEL was that they EACH could hear each other in their 'own' native tongue.

It's wasn't about the Words they exclaimed.... it was in the Power and Beauty and Pure Essence that overshadowed and Lighted them ALL on that Day.

Lives were Changed. There was a Boldness, and a Courage upon them that they hadn't possessed before that. A NEW Courage....

The Spirit and The Bride Say Come! (Wonderful scriptures... Holy scriptures. My Soul Waits with Great Anticipation. In the "mean"-time, we Work Diligently until it happens....

Awesome, Awe-Full, GOOD Day, Terrifying Day, Great Day of Awakening... Now, we work, we wrestle.

posted February 19, 2014 08:04 PM            

Ohhhh, that song. I'm not fluffy, either, obviously. I've covered that song several times.

The other one that gets me is Survivor, 'The Search Is Over'. Anyhow.

Lemme grok your post. It's spoken to me on MANY levels.

Let me say ... welcome to the discussion. And quite possibly more.

posted February 19, 2014 08:20 PM            

BTW, I have True Node at 26.32'59"-rx SAG in the 1st House. Mean Node is 27.31'59"-rx.

My Midheaven is LIBRA 2.30'34"

My asteroid Angel 24.38'38" Cancer 8th
My VERTEX 24.53'11" Cancer

(jeezz.... hope I'm not repeating myself... Just barely seem to concentrate today!)

BTW, any time I see your name, it reminds me of a singer I loved decades ago... I posted this song in LL a few years ago. Seems it got popular again for a while... (I'm NOT flirting, okay lol ) It's just SUCH a Beautiful expression--- Dedicated to YOU for starting this wonderful thread....