posted February 19, 2014 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Gabby,

It's wonderful to see you pop in here. I greatly value your input.

Personally, I think it may be more individual than we think. (My husband was just asking this, on a purely theoretical level, of course.) How it would even happen; or why Oversouls might be created.

And I found myself chattering on as I tend to even when I'm not sure where it's coming from.

My thinking is that we see things like Atlantis involved (and the asteroid ATLANTIS) because a fall of a civilisation had something to do with it.

In the case of my theory regarding a potential OVERSOUL to which I'd be connected, they would have been created per the joint goal of two civilisations who both suffered tremendous losses through a war between them, and later the destruction of the civilisation - from which both originated.

Frankly, the motivation would then be to incarnate into beings on Earth to gain insight into how this happened, and why. There was a betrayal involved in some big way; that much seems to be at the top of everyone's consciousness.

So the individuals here on Earth would then be connected to each of these Oversouls who are bound together (Twinsouls, if I understand correctly) for this purpose.

Of course, that's MY theory, which came purely to me via bizarre 'data collection' across dreams, 'visions', 'strange knowledge', people and relationships, synchronicities - for several years, beginning in 2005.

I honestly think that everyone - or, in this case - every Oversoul - is different.

And, if THAT's true - isn't that terribly exciting?

Each Oversoul pair would have its own unique history and purpose for being. Such as your suggestion, Gabby; that some simply chose to split apart (or come together, depending) so that the ones to whom they're connected could learn greater lessons in relating and companionship?

I think it's rather inspiring, actually.

It DOES make you feel more grounded, in a way. As in we're all here with our individual plans, but we've all crossed paths in some way, in order to be here now, at this point in time.

It makes me fascinated and driven to learn more about others' experiences. What 'other Oversouls' may have to teach or share.

Providing it's, well, legitimately the case. And who can say, really?

But what a wonderful notion.

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I really appreciate your thoughts to!!
I completely agree with you, I see how gaining this knowledge makes life so much happier and easier! It makes me, like you, want to reach out more to people and see them as beings on the same journey as me just on a separate path!
I notice I don't get emotionally involved in peoples petty squabbles or disagreements...instead I get mesmerized as I watch, knowing there is something so much deeper going on, it could be an issue that's a thousand years old...but still not overcome yet!
I think we are all getting deeper in our souls pain, we are all purging things that have been stored a long time because we have cleared out the less intense things....we get deeper and deeper until eventually we have overcome and worked through enough to allow our light to become brighter and brighter and loving becomes easier and easier!
I find myself pondering on what is the real issue when I see peoples self destructive behaviors...where did their anger, their stress, their discontent come from and what are they learning this moment from their behavior. It makes me more aware of my own path and the pain involved...but somehow it makes it easier to!
I look at people so different now....the lines on their faces used to tell me their age now I see their pain, the loneliness, the disconnected feeling and hardships they've endured in ordered to learn the lessons their higher self has set out for them.
I see those lines as battle wounds as they struggle to raise themselves to a new place...they don't just do it for them, it's for all of us! Every step closer they get to learning those lessons is a step closer we all get! Its kind of beautiful and makes me appreciate people even as I see them acting out....
They are me just like I am them, eventually we will all merge back into the same energy that we came from and then collectively we will know everything possible to know about the human experience and we will carry that information to new experiences and new forms of life and be better for it!

When I keep this thought always in my heart as I look around, I can see everyone is so beautiful! I guess I have a much deeper appreciation for whole, I know it's not just me...I see how connected we are, even though very few realize it....we are all on the same team! I love that....your right it's very grounding!!

posted February 19, 2014 10:37 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
^^ wow, you lost me there Indigo...

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It's ... a long story, tgem. Literally! 😉

You ever have the experience where a buncha stuff just floods to you during a period of time, but doesn't make sense until considerably later?

posted February 19, 2014 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Thank you MOST Kindly, Indigo! Means so much to me!!-- Yes I love that Journey song too

BTW, I have True Node at 26.32'59"-rx SAG in the 1st House. Mean Node is 27.31'59"-rx.

My Midheaven is LIBRA 2.30'34"

My asteroid Angel 24.38'38" Cancer 8th
My VERTEX 24.53'11" Cancer

(jeezz.... hope I'm not repeating myself... Just barely seem to concentrate today!)

BTW, any time I see your name, it reminds me of a singer I loved decades ago... I posted this song in LL a few years ago. Seems it got popular again for a while... (I'm NOT flirting, okay lol ) It's just SUCH a Beautiful expression--- Dedicated to YOU for starting this wonderful thread....

(music) Ready For Love ('The' India Arie) [4:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moOXLgd519I

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I loved her cover of 'It Might Be You' years ago, so I know exactly what you mean. It's very cool that my nick has a resonance with her. I've always loved her work. (Though I'm a cover artist - mostly - my style and range is quite different from hers.) I'll be sure to check that one out; thank you for sharing!

I hear you regarding feeling like a space cadet. But it's definitely worth noting that you've got your NNODE on the GC, and MC on the SGC. Wow! Anything on the GA? Or 14-15° SCO? We've got some theories on that one.

posted February 19, 2014 11:01 PM            

That's exactly how I approach things, too. Even when I started on the darker side - interviewing violent offenders - I had a need to understand. So many couldn't get past the horrors they'd wrought. I wanted to comprehend the why on a deeper level.

Now, as a therapist, I'm always looking at the bigger picture. In my own life, especially. I've found I often take a soul-perspective in most, if not all, things. It allows me to (typically) be rather zen. I understand there's a greater purpose - even if its particulars elude me.

I sometimes reflect upon a song by GOL called 'Soma Holiday' using lyrics culled from Huxley's Brave New World. I get some of that notion: minus the tyrannical, totalitarian regime and chemical dependency. But the Oneness sought.

'Feel how the Greater Being comes;
Rejoice, and, in rejoicings, die;
Melt, in the music of the drums,
For I am you, and you, are I.'

I love the last line: for I am you, and you, are I.

Granted, the grammar's less than desirable, but the symmetry makes up for it.

posted February 19, 2014 11:36 PM            

"Believe" Lenny Kravitz
I am you and you are me
Why is that such a mystery?
If you want it you got to believe

Who are we? We're who we are
Riding on the great big star
We've got to stand up if we're gonna be free, yeah

If you want it, you got it
You just got to believe
Believe in yourself
'Cause it's all just a game
We just want to be loved

The son of God is in our face
Offering us eternal grace
If you want it you've got to believe

'Cause being free is a state of mind
We'll one day leave this all behind
Just put your faith in God and one day you'll see it

If you want it, you got it
You just got to believe
Believe in yourself, yeah
'Cause it's all just a game
We just want to be loved

The future's in our present hands
Let's reach right in, let's understand
If you want it you've got to believe, yeah

I love that song...your lyrics reminded me of it!!

posted February 20, 2014 01:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Wow.....we have a good mental connection going on here...

"Believe" Lenny Kravitz
I am you and you are me
Why is that such a mystery?
If you want it you got to believe

Who are we? We're who we are
Riding on the great big star
We've got to stand up if we're gonna be free, yeah

If you want it, you got it
You just got to believe
Believe in yourself
'Cause it's all just a game
We just want to be loved

The son of God is in our face
Offering us eternal grace
If you want it you've got to believe

'Cause being free is a state of mind
We'll one day leave this all behind
Just put your faith in God and one day you'll see it

If you want it, you got it
You just got to believe
Believe in yourself, yeah
'Cause it's all just a game
We just want to be loved

The future's in our present hands
Let's reach right in, let's understand
If you want it you've got to believe, yeah

I love that song...your lyrics reminded me of it!!

I'm so happy to meet people on here like you! Its so rare to meet anyone that gets the deeper things are really cares enough about others to respect their beliefs, it's very rare! I bet your am amazing therapist!!! Thank you!

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Aww, thank you, Gabby. I feel the same. You've got a natural knack for helping people. I may not've really expressed it in threads before, but you were instrumental in my making some very important progress in my life and my relationships at that time (late December, early January).

I'm so glad (and grateful for) how we're able to commiserate, share, theorise, and even communicate on levels beyond this one. I DO often feel rather restricted in some ways, as the 'depth' isn't easily received. Either I'm feeling much too heavy, or others are just missing the wavelength. Ah, well. I learn so much! That makes it always worthwhile.

posted February 20, 2014 07:05 AM              

"So ... what I've been trying to do is find the others who are connected to the Oversouls to which I'm bonded? My 'siblings' and their counterparts from the Twinsoul?"
Yes, I think so.

IQ once mentioned how me finding these intricate astrological links seems like I am collecting/ gathering my soulgroup. (granted most of these are actors, but interestingly only 2 are from the "big screen", the others come from my loose surroundings somehow).

well, acting and education seems to be a running theme there, and in the very least it tells something about my own personality and core I suppose.
actually the red thread is "story-weaving", no matter from which angle you do that.

"... would be Twinflames, relatively speaking."
In a very broad generalistic sense - yes.
That is also ther eason why the 7th house is so important.

posted February 20, 2014 07:21 AM              

Mentioning the "story-weaving"-theme that is so important for me (I tend to see EVERYTHING as an unfolding story.), I had the idea to look up ARACHNE in my chart.

turns out she is on 8 Sagittarius, on the same degree as my Atlantis and in 1-2 degree conjunction to ASC, Angel, Lust, Wisdom, Poseidon, Neptune and NN.

posted February 20, 2014 07:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I really appreciate your thoughts to!!
I completely agree with you, I see how gaining this knowledge makes life so much happier and easier! It makes me, like you, want to reach out more to people and see them as beings on the same journey as me just on a separate path!
I notice I don't get emotionally involved in peoples petty squabbles or disagreements...instead I get mesmerized as I watch, knowing there is something so much deeper going on, it could be an issue that's a thousand years old...but still not overcome yet!
I think we are all getting deeper in our souls pain, we are all purging things that have been stored a long time because we have cleared out the less intense things....we get deeper and deeper until eventually we have overcome and worked through enough to allow our light to become brighter and brighter and loving becomes easier and easier!
I find myself pondering on what is the real issue when I see peoples self destructive behaviors...where did their anger, their stress, their discontent come from and what are they learning this moment from their behavior. It makes me more aware of my own path and the pain involved...but somehow it makes it easier to!
I look at people so different now....the lines on their faces used to tell me their age now I see their pain, the loneliness, the disconnected feeling and hardships they've endured in ordered to learn the lessons their higher self has set out for them.
I see those lines as battle wounds as they struggle to raise themselves to a new place...they don't just do it for them, it's for all of us! Every step closer they get to learning those lessons is a step closer we all get! Its kind of beautiful and makes me appreciate people even as I see them acting out....
They are me just like I am them, eventually we will all merge back into the same energy that we came from and then collectively we will know everything possible to know about the human experience and we will carry that information to new experiences and new forms of life and be better for it!

When I keep this thought always in my heart as I look around, I can see everyone is so beautiful! I guess I have a much deeper appreciation for whole, I know it's not just me...I see how connected we are, even though very few realize it....we are all on the same team! I love that....your right it's very grounding!!

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This all sounds ver interesting! I wonder then if it is said I'm a two soul/over soul that I was brought to this forum to find the others? I know Lavender and I have a connection...Indigo and Ceri, we should check our connections..Gabby too. Maybe this forum has linked us in a way. Just a thought...

posted February 20, 2014 09:50 AM              

for the recent days an actor from our local theatre kept on popping into my head, most randomly.
I am not even sure I like him as an actor, however he certainly stands out for some reason. Something almost "weird" about him.
Another reason for him popping in into my head is his name. Certain names have a "vibrational tingle" to me, and the name Adrian somehow tingled for me (Mr Sag`s name, well, not only has he been in my mind from my childhood on, but I remember a holiday at the sea some time before him coming into my life, I heard, literally heard his name in my head).

Anyway Adrian, when this actor was kind of randomly popping into my head, it suddenly struck me, how much this character (curiously with the name of Adrian, naturally) of the story I never wrote, was modelled after him. The same tall gaunt figure, black hair and piercing blue eyes (not my type actually. you all know how Jude looks, and Mr Sag has blondish-brownish hair and the most sparkling blue-grey eyes I have ever seen. How can grey eyes hold SO MUCH warmth and kindness in them?).

anywy why am I telling you this, well it made me look up the theatrical homepage, and they have actually an educational program for "romeo and Juliet" for schools. And the thing is coincidentally "romeo and Juliet" has carved itself out as the theme of my theatre-project-course, so I probably should fire a mail into their direction to maybe make it possible for my pupils to participate in that. Sounds cool.

doesn`t really have anything to do with this random guy.

but it intrigued me enough to have a look into our composite.

And that is where the yelled WHY came from.
I mean seriously, HOW am I finding these "creeps" with the creepiest aspects to my chart?

First thing looking at his chart with asteroids was his VALENTINE on 27 Sagittarius, naturally conjunct my Sun. lol
His KARMA conjunct my KARMA and even more closely conjunct KAALI in my 7th house.

but it really was the composite that made me go: "What the....? Can there not be ONE, ONLY one, composite/ synastry that is totally boring and eventless?"

I mean HOW meaningful can it be, if I find these pairings in synastry after synastry over again, and why can´t these opp/ conjunctions be in the syn with Mr Sag? At least my FEELINGS would fit the astrology then!

I am not even remotely interested in that guy, the Adrian-guy I mean.

Yet:

8b]in tropical composite[/b]

° [PSYCHE on 12.5 Aries conjunct JUNO on 13.2 Aries] opposite EROS on 11.3 Libra

° VALENTINE on 12.5 Sag, trine PSYCHE and JUNO and sextile EROS

° ADONIS on 21.5 Libra conjunct APHRODITE on 22.2 Libra conjunct ATLANTIS (!) on 22.5 Libra

° ADONIS on 21.5 Libra trine INANNEN on 21.0 Gemini

° PERSEPHONE on 29.4 Virgo conjunct PLUTo on 2.1 Libra

HOW CAN THAT BE? I mean, SERIOUSLY?

helio composite:

° JUNO on 12.5 Aries conjunct PSYCHE on 11.4 Aries conjunct EROS on 10.3 Aries

° ATLANTIS on 24 Libra conjunct APHRODITE on 23.5 Libra widely conjunct ADONIS on 20.4 Libra

° HORUS on 27.2 Aquarius trine HATHOR on 26.0 Gemini

° PERSEPHONE on 29.4 Virgo conjunct PLUTO on 2.1 Libra

UGH, I am just FED UP with that.
As I said just some random guy, just hardly on my radar even.

Is it all crap?
I mean what can these asteroid-pairings mean, if they crop up just randomly?

EDIT:

*snorts*

He even fits into the 3-6-9 sequence.

Born on the 30th, his whole birthdate reducing to 9.

posted February 20, 2014 11:12 AM            

My Pluto is libra@11.03, my Jupiter is Aries@15.03
My Neptune is Saggy@11.15

Ok, this is a bit odd....
My sons name is Adrian to....his Jupiter libra@13.04
His Mercury saggy@26.43 on my P. Of Fortune(your Sun)
His Pluto saggy@21.32 on my Siva
His Sun saggy@8.03
His cancer Moon/ scorpio Mars/ scorpio Venus are all around 9-12 degrees connecting him to my Atlantis/Sphinx/Bless earth grand trine
NEptune aqua@12.59 on my Spirit(connecting to your Juno/Eros)
Saturn cancer@26.55(my aura camcer@27.04...ugh)
With a taurus AC on Algol, ugh again!

Any connection that stand out to you?

posted February 20, 2014 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
This all sounds ver interesting! I wonder then if it is said I'm a two soul/over soul that I was brought to this forum to find the others? I know Lavender and I have a connection...Indigo and Ceri, we should check our connections..Gabby too. Maybe this forum has linked us in a way. Just a thought...

I totally resonate with the idea of seeing people's attitudes and actions as pain and hurt from possibly many lifetimes that is needing to be worked out. I look at people a lot differently now than I used to..I see their pain and the growth they are here to learn. Interesting that all this has come up since my meeting and experience with "him" in 2010.

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I would be so happy to find out about our connection!!
I'm not sure what exactly to look for, do you want me list my placements and the more well know spiritual asteroids?

posted February 20, 2014 11:31 AM              

this wasn`t my Juno, but the composite Juno with the adrian guy

Though actually my helio Juno IS on 14 Aries, lol

"His Mercury saggy@26.43 on my P. Of Fortune(your Sun)"
LOL Your son`s Mercury conjuncts my Sun-MErcury

posted February 20, 2014 12:00 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Aww, thank you, Gabby. I feel the same. You've got a natural knack for helping people. I may not've really expressed it in threads before, but you were instrumental in my making some very important progress in my life and my relationships at that time (late December, early January).

I'm so glad (and grateful for) how we're able to commiserate, share, theorise, and even communicate on levels beyond this one. I DO often feel rather restricted in some ways, as the 'depth' isn't easily received. Either I'm feeling much too heavy, or others are just missing the wavelength. Ah, well. I learn so much! That makes it always worthwhile.

But I value these connexions all the more. 😊

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Awe, I had no idea I'd helped like that...thank you! Sometimes I pour my heart out and then feel stupid because no one said anything...it makes me wonder if I'm just odd!!!
Sometimes I want to erase what I wrote, I have a couple times because it was just to much vulnerability to put out there, esp when nobody got it....made me wonder if I was really off and everyone thinking she's just strange!! Lol
Or it makes me wonder if maybe I need to work more on my thinking in that area and get a better perspective, maybe my understanding was off!
I have accepted we are all at different places in our progress and not everyone will get "me", some are further along and some are not.....but I hope someone eventually will see it and it will resonate with them and help in some way....
I've read threads from years ago and the things the person said made my heart jump and my thinking clearer....I can't tell them how much it meant now because I doubt they are still here but it meant a lot to me!
I've learned to leave my post up even if they do make me feel exposed, vulnerable.......I just avoid the thread (lol, stupid fear) and hope someday someone will read it and be on my wavelength and maybe it will help them!! I hope! Lol
We are here for one another...I love the thought that none of is will leave another behind! It's so comforting!
We came here together we will leave together, some may get it before others and be ready to leave sooner but will have to stay to be a guiding light to ones still struggling....will they be resentful of having to stay?? Heavens No!!
By the time they get to that place they are so full of love, compassion and understanding of why we are here and the process we follow to get out of here they are happy to be here as shepards...lovingly guiding those still vulnerable to this life! Compassion is their guiding force!!

Has anyone looked up their asteroids....
PortaCoeli
Bishop
Apostle
Holliman
Temple
Priestly
Angelica
Hyperborea(I know this one has been talked about a lot, for me it's exact conjunct Porta Coeli-which means "Gate to Heaven or Heavens Gate")
Godin
Godart
Godwin
Ash
Messenger

I found these asteroids fell in aspect with my spiritual placements and devine quest asteroids....
Coventry(a promise made with God)
Bless
Excalibur
Destin
Devine
Angel
Celestia
These also........
Yeshuhu
Babylon
Michel
Mary
Qumran
Essen
Magdalena
Ute
Babel
Christian
Wisdom
Compassion
Conscience
Virtus
Discovery
Eureka
Champion
Armor
Amor
Aura
Spirit
Soulie
Alma
Psyche
Kaali
Devota
Forte
Triumf
White knight
Solidarity
Magnanimity
......the list goes on but I think if you do that will you see a much clearer picture of who you are, where you have been and where you need to go.... Maybe shows what souls have always been on your same path!!
Id check the healing asteroids to and maybe things like....
Migaic
Magion
Circe
Hekate
Pythia
Delphi
Bayl
Baal
....even all those demon asteroids like Lucifer, Asmodeus, Vipera....
Then false trickster gods like Loke,Tezcatlipoca, "Smoking Mirror" his brother Quetzalcoatl

I'm sorry I don't have those asteroid numbers.....I'm not in a place I can easily get them!!

posted February 20, 2014 01:54 PM              

This thread has had me looking at our (my bf and me) synastry/composite all over again and some of the asteroids you have mentioned seem to feature strongly. I am not quite skilled at forming a complete picture, with all the inter aspects between natal, draconic and hello, but have listed the DWs (within 1 degree) here. I am impressed by close and parallel (?)DWs. They surely denote significance and a few are new, i.e., I haven't seen them mentioned elsewhere. Mind you, I only refer to a heavily karmic SM relationship, although it might be more significant.

DWs which are ‘mirrored’ (or should one say ‘parallel’? )

Asc conjunct Sun
Penelope conjunct Sun
Juno square Pluto
Karma trine Pallas (my Pallas is at the GC)
Guinevere conjunct Saturn
Aura semi-sextile NN

Other DWs

Compassion/Uranus (does this mean we empathise with the other’s oddities?)
Utopia/Chiron
Kaali/ Moon
Lancelot/ Eros
Chiron/Isis (my Isis/Osiris are at the GA)
Sun/Bless
Aphrodite/Adonis
Serendip/Karma
Saturn/Vesta

Still looking and will edit later!

posted February 20, 2014 02:20 PM              

"Mercury (his probable chart ruler, and my 7th house ruler) conjunct Sirius (composite)"
That would be a likely clincher to find out more abuot your connection. At least I think so that if two people share the same houseruler or in polar houses, this planet should be payed much attention to.

Now saying this and seeing this in your synastry, it just occurred to me, that this must be true for Mr Sag and me, as well, as Mercury is 7th house ruler for both of us. (and Jupiter is his traditional ASC-ruler and also rules my ASC. Jupiter is also ruling his MC, but it is not ruling my MC nor IC, so I would not count it).

Anyway, Mercury in the composite rules the 5th and 8th house and is in the 11th house, on 15 Sagittarius, close to the GA I think. Though I don`t quite know the meaning of the Great attractor.
(Mercury is also conjunct Neptune and Sappho and dispositing Jupiter in 5th house - it always brings me back to the seesaw of 5th-11th house)

"More relationship to the GC than I previously thought. "
I love the GC. Maybe because my Sun is there, I do not know.
But considering it is the centre of our solar system, what a generator of energy!

"ur composite Atlantis"
our helio composite Atlantis is on the SGC, too.
And Jude`s and my composite Atlantis are on the SGC as well.
Interesting.

My Helio DNA is on SGC, too

"and his Karma are all conjunct within less than 30 minutes of 2 Libra. His Saturn sextiles that point, and his Juno and Siva square it, exactly."
Karmic past life relationship most probably, but with the Juno-square it did not all go too smoothly.

Actually I myself have an exact square of Juno and Karma, but also a trine of Juno and Saturn in my natal. It always puzzles me, so whenver someone conjuncts either end, the square will be activated. Karma is in my 7th house, and squaring Juno, so there is something going on in relation to relationship (especally when it is about the balance within a relationship, and how it can adapt to society).

"a very close Venus/Chiron double whammy, and a Sun/Saturn double whammy.
Sounds very bonding to me. And Venus/Chiron in harmony can be very healing in love.

"I think Vesta is overlooked a lot"
I think so, too. She is dedicated and often tantric.
Whenever Iread about the Sacred Marriage ritual, I think of Vesta. lol

"), my Cupido and his Nessus at Taurus 9 while his Amor and my Nessus are at Taurus 14,"
I am uncertain about Nessus-synastry to be honest. Is it really that bad?
On the other hand I experienced Nessus, and while it might not always be abusive, the degree of obsession is insane.

Having said that Mr Sag`s Nessus is squeezed in between my Saturn and Eros. Maybe I should keep quiet about Nessus. lol

Though my Nessus conjuncts his IC and opposes his Moon exactly. Poor guy.

" his Valentine conjunct my Moira in the 7th house"
I love that.
VAlentine-Moira just looks like fated love to me, and in the 7th.

", my Anteros, Amor and Karma conjunct his Psyche,
Also great thing. After all Amor is a natural partner for Psyche. and the others along, great.

"I'm particularly fond of his Dionysus conjunct my Ariadne in the 7th house, especially given our respective histories."
I LOVE this pairing. It was pointed out to me in an astro-reading, and it struck me like lightening.

Interstingly I later on found out that my Bacchus in his 7th (conj. his 8th cusp) opposes his Ariadne in my 5th (and conjuncts my name in my chart!)

And my Ariadne in his 7th house sextiles his Bacchus in my 2nd house (conj. 2nd cusp) and his BAcchus is conjunct his name in my chart.

And in composite

BACCHUS on 12.11 Sagittarius in 11th is trine ARIADNE on 12.07 Leo in 7th house (and Ariadnes is conjunct Karma on 9.39 Leo in 7th)

Bacchus is sextile his name on 12.08 Scorpio in 9th (conj. Uranus on 12.23 Sco)

Ariadne is trine my name on 13.04 Aries in 2nd.

dIONYSOS on the other hand is conjunct EROS and PRIAPUS around the IC (orb is something between 1 and 1°30 at most. lol)

Neither of these is known for "holding back" and practicing "self-restraint"
It always makes me laugh, seeing how this is at the root, at the base of our composite.

posted February 20, 2014 02:29 PM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:
My jupiter trines Great Attractor aries@15 and psyche/messenger and Erda are all gemini@15

Here is some things that might conjunct I'm not sure of your exact degrees.....
Zues saggy@13.23
Rhea saggy@15.06
Devota saggy@14.54
Astraea saggy@16.13
My DNA saggy@17.34
Angelica saggy@18.14

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These are mine in Sag:
Isis 13.18
Sekhmet 14
Apollo 14.14
Osiris 14.32
Vertex 17.29
NN 18.28

posted February 20, 2014 02:33 PM              

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Originally posted by Astro keen:

* 4 planets at 29 degrees (is that interesting?)

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posted February 20, 2014 02:40 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It definitely is. It is the last step before embarking onto a new cycle. A timeperiod of completion.
It looks like you will be stepping onto a new grade of your (spiritual) relationship.

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posted February 20, 2014 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Hi Gabby,

This thread has had me looking at our synastry/composite all over again and some of the asteroids you have mentioned seem to feature strongly. I am not quite skilled at forming a complete picture, with all the inter aspects between natal, draconic and hello, but have listed the DWs (within 1 degree) here. I am impressed by close and parallel (?)DWs. They surely denote significance and a few are new, i.e., I haven't seen them mentioned elsewhere. Mind you, I only refer to a heavily karmic SM relationship, although it might be more significant.

DWs which are ‘mirrored’ (or should one say ‘parallel’? )

Asc conjunct Sun
Penelope conjunct Sun
Juno square Pluto
Karma trine Pallas (my Pallas is at the GC)
Guinevere conjunct Saturn
Aura semi-sextile NN

Other DWs

Compassion/Uranus (does this mean we empathise with the other’s oddities?)
Utopia/Chiron
Kaali/ Moon
Lancelot/ Eros
Chiron/Isis (my Isis/Osiris are at the GA)
Sun/Bless
Aphrodite/Adonis

Still looking and will edit later!

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Your Karma trines my Pallas pisces@17.52, Vesta virgo@20.03
they oppose my Moon virgo@18.32, child virgo@19.46 here's some things I have around that area, maybe something will jump out at you?

Ishtar scorp@18.37
Magedelena scorpio@17.49
Aesculpia virgo@17.08
Magion virgo@20.40
Dejanira virgo@15.18
My Angel cap@16.21
Rudra cap@16.28
Penelope cap@19.16
Poseidon cap16.47
Rebekka cao@18.67
Eurydice cap@17.47

posted February 20, 2014 02:51 PM            

It's time to have ... The Talk.

You're not going to get this from many other people, if any, astrologers. Few have a background in disproving pseudoscience - even if in their own life, part of it never failed to come through! Heh.

The Talk centres around something called 'apophenia'. Anyone who seriously studies mysticism should be familiar with it, as it's a crazy, insidious thing.

Apophenia is the misattribution of facts or meaning to that to which it doesn't pertain or holds no significance.

Its worst offence is The False Positive.

This is where, by some bizarre circumstance, we run across the data of a girl-friend's ex-boyfriend from 20 years ago, who we never met, and for whom the extent of the connexion was how she'd talk about him incessantly, and you REALLY wish she wouldn't because you were 16, and they dated for 3 very intense months, and she's been married since a decade later with two kids, is super happy, and you think, according to Facebook, he's in Antarctica?

But, by some cruel trick of fate or the finickiness of statistical variability, you just happened to notice, today, that he's got crazy-intense synastry with you, and the most highly concentrated composite - rivalling that with That Guy.

What. The. !@*%

Good news. I've been there. In fact, I think most of us have. For those of us (like myself) who are scientists, whose systems of belief have been known to live and die by things like logic, sense, and Occam's Razor, this gets very tricky.

For those who aren't - less so.

I'll explain.

The symptoms of apophenia are pretty straightforward:

• it doesn't make sense
• it's unlikely / statistically improbable
• the more logical explanation seems elusive / too much evidence in support of the contrary - ostensibly.

As one of the former top field investigators in ufology, I was the 'go-to' sceptic for my division of the organisation. One of the leading causes of getting a false-positive in an alleged abduction case is misattribution of facts.

We used something called the Vallee scale, which was developed by a gentleman of the same name, Jacques Vallee, an astrophysicist who found his way into ufology some decades ago. By the time I became involved (late '90s) it was well in place. I use it to some unconscious extent even today.

If you had a witness that was a 5-rating on the reliability scale, you paid very close attention. They were trusted, sane, and knowledgeable. In some cases, they were also under an influence (say, a new medication) which would lower that - in some instances dramatically. Now you have a reliable witness who likely made an unreliable report.

And in ufology, or anything relating to the investigation of anomalous phenomena, reliable reporting is EVERYTHING.

In my first decade as a field investigator, I had the privilege of a .2% inconclusive rate. In other words, 99.8% of my cases were satisfactorily resolved via some logical, scientifically sound means.

But, to be frank, .2% is high, statistically-speaking. When we're talking 'but ... that's ... impossible .... ' kinds of noggin-numbing incident reports, any non-zero probability has you reevaluating things.

It did me.

That, coupled with my background I'd turned against at age twelve, and the inconclusive experiences I've had with Fate and 'the network', forced me to reconsider my understanding of reality. That's ... not easy! But it's been beneficial overall. I can't deny the fact it 'feels' better on some level I can't really articulate.

Now, I used to play a game with my partner and the senior field investigator who trained us, and to whom we reported - very swell guy; ex-USAF, super perceptive. Jokingly, I called it 'Aliens or Apophenia?' (Because I think I'm so clever. 😉 A close relative is 'Pickles or Premonition?' - but that's for another day.) 😜

Simply put, we'd conjure up potential cases (maybe based in real ones), determine the outcome, and test each other. (The whole office of field investigation would play. It was always interesting, if we investigators had an advantage over the administrators or not.)

We determined that a Level 5 Witness, with a CE-2 report (sorry, I'm mixing systems; that's Hynek, which we used to classify the actual reports; CE is 'Close Encounter Type 2) meaning the witness reported an interaction of some level with the alleged observed aerial phenomena, BKA 'UFO'. That's anything from unaccounted for marks or time, electrical interference, etc.

Time is reported by the observer. And we have to take them on their word that 'unaccounted for' marks have TRULY unknown origin - per the witness' recollection.

An L5W will not have any condition which is debilitating to memory or interferes with their ability to accurately report.

An L5W was almost always an ex-USAF (or currently serving) with a spotless psychiatric history and USG-level verified sanity. The kind who would prove truthful via polygraph (though, don't get me started on its iffy reliability in many cases) and have been proven to have no motive or potential gain from deception. Who're 'hoax-proof'.

You get one of those? Man, you get ready for a rough ride, because what they're telling you is as real as they know real to be.

I consider a lot of folks here to be L5Ws, for knowledge, expertise, and, from what I can tell - sanity. (Why? Because you question it!) 😉

As astrologers, we're bound to run into a bit of apophenia periodically.

Statistically-speaking, out of 8 billion or so folks, we're looking at a 1 in 12 ratio they'll have something we do. Just off mathematics alone.

But where and when do we find significance?

Aye, there's the rub.

To me, it stems from your philosophical orientation. If you believe in a greater force at work - or not.

Simply stated, it's your belief that dictates the eigenstate you observe. (Or so most-modern quantum theory inclines me to 'believe'.) 😉

As astrologers, we've got our basis for what makes the engine run. We've got our reasons for why It Works. And it does. It works for US. Because WE'RE the observers of our personal reality / eigenstate.

For me, that's Functionalism. For you, it may be something else.

I also believe I'm here For Something. That's led me to study many religions, philosophies, spiritualities, mystical pursuits, sciences, and existential orientations.

I came to decide The Universe is something to which I can - and do - connect. Whether it's so for another, I can't say. But it's that way for me.

So, personally, apophenia strikes less violently than it used to.

Let's take your situation, Ceri. Put on the lab coat.

What transpired from your shouted 'WHY?' and sharing the experience?

You learnt:

• Gabby's son is named Adrian, and you two share certain contacts.

• more than you ever wanted about apophenia. 😜

And when these things happen to me - random, nonsensical, 'what am I missing? How is this so?' and worst of all, 'am I WRONG?' - sorts of instances I take it as a nudge to pay attention to what follows immediately after.

Is Adrian REALLY that influential to you?

Probably not.

Will that which resulted from your sharing the mere happening be?

Likely. In some way, likely.

But that's because I feel the Universe is often tossing things out there for me to pay attention to; sometimes very adamantly.

So that's MY opinion. MY philosophy, only.

In the case of the girl-friend's high-school boyfriend we never met, should we book a flight to Antarctica to go play with the penguins?

Maybe. But not unless you get an insane deal in your inbox which coincides with your vacation time.

I like Rules of Three.

In that case, hey, maybe it's time for you and that guy to meet. You never crossed paths, but he's connected by some degrees of separation, and who knew, upon becoming Facebook friends (since you also have 3 other mutual friends, it turns out) that you had so much in common?

THAT's how we can find one connexion that may've been purely 'coincidental' unfolds into a rather beautiful synchronicity. And all we have to do is follow the bouncing ball.

That's happened to me, too.

Time doesn't exist in the other dimensions. It jives it wouldn't in 'the astral plane'. You may've decided you're gonna hook up after he and your friend clear some karma. That 'after' happens to have an interim period of 20 years is like a Doctor Who-esque mistake. 'Whoops! When I left you, you were 8. Aaaaand now you're 80. Oh, dear - shouldn't have stopped for a low tea.'

What feels like 5 minutes 'elsewhere' could be 50 years - or 500 - or a thousand millennia - here. We just don't know, and modern physics is just as stumped by the findings that stuff's not running the same way it does across these hypothetical dimensional spaces. It's either very fast, very slow, or some orders of magnitude measurement of one or the other.

There's a reason if we travelled in a ship and took off for Alpha Centauri, we'd be maybe 20 years older - but four generations would've come and gone in our family!

If THAT doesn't put it in perspective!

Anyhow. You get the gist.

posted February 20, 2014 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
These are mine in Sag:
Isis 13.18
Sekhmet 14
Apollo 14.14
Osiris 14.32
Vertex 17.29
NN 18.28

My Vertex and your DNA are pretty close, Angelica and NN too.

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My Sekhemet saggy@18.56
Hebe saggy@19.21

My moon is virgo@18.35.... Exact square your NN!!
That's an important aspect!!

NN square Moon synastry
"The planet person may be part of an unresolved issue the North Node is carrying from the past, and must resolve in this life."

I don't know why I keep thinking what you need to resolve has to do with what is conjunct my Moon, where is your Child and Asclepius and Christian...my asteroid Christian is virgo@18.29!!

posted February 20, 2014 03:02 PM              

How there`S been the creation of "Shadow-Selves" of them, who were drawn to each other again and again through the centuries.

It just struck me how much this depicts this oversoul/ twinflame-image. lol

Sure they use diferent terms, but it`s the same story over and over agian.