posted February 20, 2014 03:15 PM              

I agree with you, and thanks fopr informing me about Apophenia. lol

Actually, well, my shouted Why was maybe a bit oer-dramatic and not really what I felt. It just made me smile to find these things.

To me it simply shows how it is not enough to find conjunction sor oppositions, not even between Isis-Osiris, or Eros-Psyche or Siva-Parvati to jumpt to conclusions about the soulmate-status.

This Adrian-guy has got no "meaning" for me. (other than being a good actor).

But I agree that this led to a fine talk and I finally learned about Apophenia (that is the word?). Well I knew about what it is, but not how it is called.

posted February 20, 2014 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Wow! That is definitely intersting and "neat".

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posted February 20, 2014 10:07 PM            

And I'm a newbie. Here on these forums, and to astrology. I've been investigating it for thirty years, on and off, but with more devotion over the last four years. So much to learn. SO many questions.

I have a V.E.R.Y. long and personal story, with paranormal and psychic overtones much like the stories shared here. But our charts do not have references to 2 Libra or 27 Sag. (But then I don't have his birth time nailed down completely, and his Sag moon could conceivably land on that point, given a corresponding right birth time.)

I AM curious about something. How close in age are all of you that DO have these two points active in your charts? I was born before the influx of Indigo souls that came here. But there is a part of me that is wondering if these two astrological points could be pointers to a specific group of souls, incarnating from a specific point in the universe or planet, or even an entire soul family, that arrived here during a specific time?

Please forgive this question, IndigoDirae (sp? Sorry, going from memory here), if it contradicts or completely kinks up all the research you've been doing. My intuition is pretty strong and I have felt *something* about the two points you've mentioned as I've been reading.

My understanding is that Indigos started arriving en masse in the early 1970's, with a few scout souls that arrived here before that. I was born in 1959, well before this time, but my brother was born in 1974 and exhibits ALL of the Indigo characteristics. So personally, I'd love to know where you all fit in here, as far as an age range goes.

I'm having trouble getting a chart from Astro to PhotoBucket. If there is any interest at all in viewing my chart and this other guy's (the one with all of the weird stuff, paranormal, OBE's, deja vu, psychic connection, soul recognition through locked eyes [described in one of the stories here, exactly as I experienced it], etc over the last twenty-plus years), I'll post dates for you. For now, I don't want to be presumptive. I'm not really clear on the etiquette in these forums and want to be sure I have something of interest to offer before I post.

Thank you ALL for what you've shared. Your stories, your exploration through what these aspects could mean and how they could play out. Your personal experiences touched me deeply. (Crystal, I wish yours hadn't been deleted! I suspect you've had some unfathomable experiences as well.) Thank you so much for sharing. You've helped me, with my own unfathomable experiences, to feel as though I'm not so alone, after all.

In the end, I look back at how my Twin Flame/Primary Soulmate/what-have-you came to me in a dream and AWAKENED me. The experience gave me the desire to get healthier and the courage to leave a highly abusive relationship. I am now on a dedicated spiritual path.

It IS, for me, as IQ said: "Wouldn't it be lovely if as IQ said, "A Twin Flame will initiate the development of the Heart Chakra and will trigger the awareness of one's Immortal Nature."

Blessings,

Michelle

posted February 20, 2014 11:05 PM            

I was so deeply touched by your post that I wanted to jump on and say something now even though I'm down with the sixth grade plague. Heh. (Love my stepdaughter, hate how communicable her class!)

Rest assured I'll be responding very soon, and several others may do so before then.

posted February 20, 2014 11:36 PM            

I had just been noticing how I look like a long-lost Fate sister.

I'm not even kidding. Put his three sisters and me in a lineup, you'd bet money we're all related.

Sigh.

I'm missing from the family portrait. I was noticing that tonight. Of course, then just as I told myself to stop being silly - guess what plays?

THAT's a bit much.

Anyhow. It's true.

I can't believe I chose this family over his. How judgemental was I being? I don't know them, you see, and he's not the most family-oriented guy, and I was pretty done up with my in-laws then. It seemed so right.

Then we 'met' (Meeting #3, third time was the charm) on 3 Jan 2012, and it all changed. Being away from him was torturous. I was despondent. Augh.

His mom is so cool. She's quirky, (they're all quirky, frankly) and spirited and they're all really great people. He gripes in the usual 'my family, ugh' kind of way. But I get them. I do. I get them now.

I'm glad we became friends. It seems our paths were destined to cross in some regard, considering what we both do.

But, man, now I have access to the photos he never allows on Facebook.

It's like looking at myself. I sent one in particular to my mom, and she said, ' ... I know you never owned anything like that, and the body is clearly wrong, but, who is that? It really looked like you for a second! Wait - that's Fate, isn't it? I can kind of tell now .... Wow. You've both changed, but it's really noticeable here that you looked very much alike as kids. How wild! You could be twins!'

Sigh. Thanks, Mommy. Thaaat's what I needed to hear. (No, not really.)

I can't say where it comes from, either. He doesn't REALLY look like his mom, save for he's got her expressions. But he looks totally different from any of the other Fate men. But I totally look like a Fate woman, if we're strictly going by his sisters.

But his mom? While she's so familiar to me, it's odd to realise that they all came from her. I can see how maybe in some ways, when much younger, we have similar features. Or maybe it's the hair, but I don't see resemblance between she and my mother.

However ... the Fate girls look a lot like - erm, we'll say Melete - 😉 girls. So maybe THAT's it.

Maybe it's in the Fate and Melete lines.

Damn. It's eerie how for sharing no bloodlines, it sure as hell looks like we must be. Bizarre.

Augh.

Well, I'm ill, so forgive the emo'ing. I'm definitely down with the sixth grade plague. No fun. Brain's a little whacked, and I seem to be a bit whiny. 😜 And more blathery than usual.

Sorry! Heh.

It just REALLY took me by surprise. I know I've noticed it before, but ... damn.

posted February 21, 2014 12:48 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Michelle,

I was so deeply touched by your post that I wanted to jump on and say something now even though I'm down with the sixth grade plague. Heh. (Love my stepdaughter, hate how communicable her class!)

Rest assured I'll be responding very soon, and several others may do so before then.

Thank you for 'eavesdropping'. It's a pleasure to have you, and a lot of what you said resonates very much with me.

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I second that.

posted February 21, 2014 12:55 AM              

This is another couple whom I have been in correspondence with through facebook, whos experiences strongly resonate with mine.
They also talk about soul extentions, parallel lives, multidimensionslity, etc.

http://youtu.be/XZM3sSSOfC0

The only thing that didn't fit for me was feeling the connection only in the solar plexus.... I feel it both in the heart chakra and the solar plexus, it tends to jump from one to the other, but I mostly feel it in the heart, then it spreads out to the rest of the chakras.
But overall this video really spoke to me and got me very emotional...
Especially when he mentioned the initial familiarity bit, like you've known them for a long time, recognizing yourself in their eyes, and the metaphysical connection starting from the higher chakras and coming down—it made me giggle when he said that lol, because of how much it really fit, and then I just got really teary...
Something just clicked for me and I realized that HE (Virgo guy) really is it, he is the one, without a single doubt!
It was a very strong inner knowing I felt.

posted February 21, 2014 01:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Just thought I'd share something...

This is another couple whom I have been in correspondence with theough facebook, whos experiences strongly resonate with mine.
They also talk about soul extentions, parallel lives, multidimensionslity, etc.

http://youtu.be/XZM3sSSOfC0

The only thing that didn't fit for me was feeling the connection only in the solar plexus.... I feel it both in the heart chakra and the solar plexus, it tends to jump from one to the other, but I mostly feel it in the heart, then it spreads out to the rest of the chakras.
But overall this video really spoke to me and got me very emotional...
Especially when he mentioned the initial familiarity bit, like you've known them for a long time, recognizing yourself in their eyes, and the metaphysical connection starting from the higher chakras and coming down—it made me giggle when he said that lol, because of how much it really fit, and then I then just got really teary...
Something just clicked for me and I realized that HE (Virgo guy) really is it, he is the one, without a single doubt!
It was a very strong inner knowing I felt.

I should also mention this.
I recently had a reading done by iq.
In short, he mentioned we have a very strong soulful connection, along with some of the major clues of being TwinFlames, in our charts.
He said it was pretty much fated for us to meet and marry; that Virgo guy was meant to take care of me. I did not expect that last bit lol.

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posted February 21, 2014 01:28 AM            

What do you guys mean by that?

posted February 21, 2014 03:03 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Aww! That's so sweet! Aren't you glad you took the first step now? 😊

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Yes!
I commented on Virgo guy's thingy too just a few nights ago.
Not sure if he saw it or not but I feel a different energy in the air now.
Like relief almost, and the connection seems more stronger than before.
My dreams involving him have become a lot more intense and vivid too.
Like he is giving me messages.
They are very clear, just like that "Orion" dream I had 2 years back.

posted February 21, 2014 03:15 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
BTW, I still don't follow the whole 'feel the connexion' thing in terms of chakra activation.

What do you guys mean by that?

Far as I can tell, I haven't experienced it, or have no idea what it is if I have. That's foreign to me, in any case.

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Well for me its whenever I think of him or he just randomly "pops up", I start to feel butterflies and vibrations in my heart (not stomach lol).

Its euphoric, and it makes me feel very umm.. Expanded? Lol.
Like my heart feels soooo full of love and all "big" that it feels like its about to explode.
It makes me feel like I'm on cloud 9, or even higher actually!

It kind of feels like mini–orgasms happening in my HEART and solar plexus rather than where they normally should LOLOL (excuse my terminology, just trying to find the best way I can to articulate it)
Those mini–orgasms happen when I feel his energy trying to merge with mine, I believe it may be our etheric bodies trying to reconnect but I'm not sure.
Mel and Nichole talked about something like this too.

And all of this happens to me consciously, throughout the most randomest times of the day lol.
I feel this sensation spread out in all sorts of directions and all my chakras come alive. Its like a vibrating/tingling sensation in my whole being.

It can get so intense sometimes that I have to just breathe and lie down lol.

I know, it sounds very crazy.

posted February 21, 2014 05:25 AM            

iQ and I've been in correspondence very recently as well; it felt like the right move, finally. And I realised something.

I got the sudden sense that he's going to tell me, with the only sort of verifiable proof that I truly know, via astrology, that it's simply not the case. That I don't have the markers you do, and that it isn't this way with Fate. That he isn't, as you put it so succinctly and certainly, 'the one'.

But that got me to thinking.

I was filled with the same sort of gratitude I usually am when reflecting upon our relationship, if I'm allowing myself to do so honestly.

That, while it may not prove true, there was still a reason for this; for me to know him, for him to change my concept of reality to fit the one in which I was brought up, but simply couldn't believe once I became old enough to grok it. That, regardless, this faux membership of sorts, this nature of belonging, has been extremely meaningful, period.

And I wonder: will this free me from the notion of something? Will I finally be able to put aside all of this and chalk it up to fantastic rationalisations for, what's honestly happening: psychological patterns I've yet to recover from? Will this allow me to move on, in a sense?

In a sense. But only because I already have.

I accepted, with a mixture of difficulty and joy, that he and I will never 'be', despite so many bizarre things seeming to instruct me otherwise. That I have no grand spiritual destiny; I'm not exceptional, or even that unique. Instead, I got to play at being all of those things for a few years of my life, nearly solidly, and because of him.

I can't deny that it's changed me.

The frightened, abused, cynical, lost girl that I was has given way, over time, to a wisened, enlightened, brilliant spiritual being, eager to serve the humanity into which she was born, through guidance, wit, and love.

I can't help but realise: he taught me love. Moreover, he loved the unloveable at a time when it was needed the most. I never forgot that, and it's driven me to continue to show him the same, despite his tetchiness and sardonic nature. He knows he's loved, because since March 2013, I've made it clear to him. And though he's not said it, I know it drives him. Deeply.

He gave me back to myself. It's the least I can do to make sure he feels loved.

I can love!

More than that, I can actually love! And I do! I've expressed more love and gratitude in the past year than I have easily in twenty. It saddens me; what a loss of time, and yet, I'm grateful now.

In fact, I'm simply grateful. For the lessons, relationships, experiences, opportunities, and even hardships I've endured throughout this. It's been like being thrown onto the fast-track, a crash course, if you will, in spiritual growth.

And I'll think, just because we aren't Twinflames, but mere souls on Earth at this point who happened to meet for whatever reasons, that I've lost nothing - and gained everything.

That I'm not cheated out of certainty, but reminded of the gift I've been given just knowing him - JUST knowing him. The ways he's impacted my life; how any biographer worth their salt would KNOW of him, just as they would my own family.

There's a song that came to mind as I wrote this. Lyrics, really.

'The story of my life,
Begins and ends with you;
Each chapter sings your name.
Each page begins with you.

It's the story of our times;
Of never letting go.
And if I died today,
I'd have wanted you to know.'

Classic, actually, that Diamond song. (I really got into 'Heart Light' again, too, but that's a different story! Heh.) But it conveys it.

I've no doubt that we'll grow old together the way that tightly bonded folks do; even if it's just calling everyday in our golden years, griping about getting old, and reflecting upon the days of our youth, and, oh, weren't we something then?

Some day, he'll have the ability to tell me he loves me. Again. He actually said it first. I was the one who lagged. Oh, but I've made up for it now, thrice and then! Well, I hope I have.

So those are my thoughts.

I figured IQ's analysis might send me into a tailspin. And all of this may be some cleverly, expertly veiled, denial; but I don't think so.

I think it doesn't matter one way or another. Because these years happened. This person came into my life, changed it, for the rest of it, and no matter what they are in the grand scheme on sweeping soul-levels, he taught me more than any one person has in any given time - who wasn't my mother, but, hey - my mother's my mother. 😉

And for that - labels and certainty doesn't matter. It's not about, 'are you the one?' and 'is this it?'

I'm not looking for one man to devote my existence to. He taught me how to instead devote myself to existence.

And for that, I'm grateful every day. The details don't even matter. To me, personally.

I'm not going to throw up my hands, cry and demand to know what it was all for, or, worse: decide it was for nothing. I'm too happy sharing love and guiding others. Of being all I can be in this life - regardless of what the 'plan' was.

But that's just my own personal insight. I'm very glad that you've found an assurance, Lavender, and are beginning your next chapter. Thank you for sharing your experiences.

Oh, and in regard to your aura-gasms 😉 : I just always thought of that as the way he makes my heart smile. But I might be wrong. As to 'a ghost getting intimate with you' ... let's not go there just yet. I've got some tales in that department!

posted February 21, 2014 05:55 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

I can't deny that it's changed me.

The frightened, abused, cynical, lost girl that I was has given way, over time, to a wisened, enlightened, brilliant spiritual being, eager to serve the humanity into which she was born, through guidance, wit, and love.

I can't help but realise: he taught me love. Moreover, he loved the unloveable at a time when it was needed the most. I never forgot that, and it's driven me to continue to show him the same, despite his tetchiness and sardonic nature. He knows he's loved, because since March 2013, I've made it clear to him. And though he's not said it, I know it drives him. Deeply.

He gave me back to myself. It's the least I can do to make sure he feels loved.

I can love!

More than that, I can actually love! And I do! I've expressed more love and gratitude in the past year than I have easily in twenty. It saddens me; what a loss of time, and yet, I'm grateful now.

In fact, I'm simply grateful. For the lessons, relationships, experiences, opportunities, and even hardships I've endured throughout this. It's been like being thrown onto the fast-track, a crash course, if you will, in spiritual growth.

And I'll think, just because we aren't Twinflames, but mere souls on Earth at this point who happened to meet for whatever reasons, that I've lost nothing - and gained everything.

That I'm not cheated out of certainty, but reminded of the gift I've been given just knowing him - JUST knowing him. The ways he's impacted my life; how any biographer worth their salt would KNOW of him, just as they would my own family.

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EXACTLY, Indigo!

The most important thing about any type of connection is how much it really impacts you and changes you, and what you can learn from it.

It makes me very happy to see how you are viewing all this.

posted February 21, 2014 06:11 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

Oh, and in regard to your aura-gasms 😉 : I just always thought of that as the way he makes my heart smile. But I might be wrong. As to 'a ghost getting intimate with you' ... let's not go there just yet. I've got some tales in that department!

Man, somewhat unrelated, I had a helluva dream before this, but I won't get into detail yet. We were out in space, or on some other planet, almost as if playing a game, like children, but it was more tactical than that. We were descending somewhere, and preparing to, it would seem, jump, or take off, or something. I was checking to make sure he was ready. I guess I just assumed I was? 😉

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LOL oh please do share!
I am very interested in hearing about your "ghost story"! 😉

And as for your dream, it seems very symbolic of how he has impacted you and your relationship, I think.
Or it could also be the foreshadowing of another "take–off" you two will participate in, who knows!

Btw,
Here's what a dream interpretation site said about jumping:

From: http://www.dreammoods.com/

posted February 21, 2014 08:56 AM            

I watched the old TF couple's youtube videos and Mel did mention something about the ethereal bodies floating off to space. Could that be what you all are trying to describe?

Also, Mel mentioned that TFs have no past karma to clear. But I think iQ thinks they have based on older threads I've read. What do you guys think? That bit left me stumped.

posted February 21, 2014 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
That's good news to hear from iq, Lavender.

I watched the old TF couple's youtube videos and Mel did mention something about the ethereal bodies floating off to space. Could that be what you all are trying to describe?

Also, Mel mentioned that TFs have no past karma to clear. But I think iQ thinks they have based on older threads I've read. What do you guys think? That bit left me stumped.

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posted February 21, 2014 09:59 AM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
I'm of the personal belief that TF's don't have karma between themselves, however I DO believe that TF relationships are meant to assist in healing karma an individual has with him/herself..like learning self-love/unconditional love etc.

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posted February 21, 2014 10:01 AM              

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Originally posted by summerlite:
That's good news to hear from iq, Lavender.

I watched the old TF couple's youtube videos and Mel did mention something about the ethereal bodies floating off to space. Could that be what you all are trying to describe?

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posted February 21, 2014 10:29 AM            

I have met someone that seems to fit the "twin flame" by it's description and astrology aspects!
His Karma is saggy@18
My Angelic saggy@18
My DNA saggy@18
My Venus libra@18

My Karma libra@5
His DC libra@4
His Angelic aqua@4
His DNA aries@3

posted February 21, 2014 11:04 AM              

TwinFlames however are multidimension beings, and therefore have soul extensions in parallel realities.
They are there in case they decide to blow it lol, so they are acting as "back ups", in a way.
And in those parallel realities their soul extensions can play any role, be with and marry other people as well, which will be soulmates, or they can be with their own twins.
They are having an human experience afterall.

posted February 21, 2014 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
From my understanding, TwinFlames don't have past lives.
That is because prior to coming down on earth, they were already a one soul, one entity.
It is only when they came to 3–dimensional reality that they took on two forms of male and female, because that is the natural law of this planet; opposites.

It is soulmates that usually tend to have karma from past lives, and go lifetime after lifetime searching for and reconnecting with one another.

TwinFlames however are multidimension beings, and therefore have soul extensions in parallel realities. 12 or 13 of them.
And in those parallel realities their soul extensions can be with and marry other people as well, which will be soulmates.

But I do agree with you on the good karma stuff—I like calling it destiny, personally.

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Huh. Where does that part come from? The parallel realities bit? Because that's the major overarching theme of my work. It has been since my youth.

I do think past lives are a part of it, though. You went through this Earth thing, in many ways, together, bonded, 'Graduated', and have returned for some reason.

posted February 21, 2014 11:14 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Huh. Where does that part come from? The parallel realities bit? Because that's the major overarching theme of my work. It has been since my youth.

I do think past lives are a part of it, though. You went through this Earth thing, in many ways, together, bonded, 'Graduated', and have returned for some reason.

At least, that's my understanding, thus far.

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Actually, parallel realities and past lives are the same thing lol.

Everything is existing in the now, every time frame, every time line, they're all co-existing together as parallel realities.

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