posted February 23, 2014 07:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
So I'm in at the airport waiting for my flight to texas.
The universe is constantly testing me because all this crazy drama is just arising and I have to make so many decisions
Something really tragic has happened and asked me to be with them..
I know what happened and I can't even say it because it's so horrible...
I don't even want to think about it.
The thing is he's never begged me to do a favor for him ever...
Extremely emotionally independent (Venus in aries)
of course I would come because I still care.

but idk.. my love life is a mess and far from simple...
i have a feeling how this is all going to end Im ready for it... I mean it's my destiny I guess.

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Kerosene,

I'm new here and unknown. I felt weird responding to your post because you have a relationship to the others here. They know you. I'm just - new.

But I can't ignore the way your words here hit me. Whatever you're facing, whatever happens, I send you love and positive thoughts. Be well and be strong. And be good to you, however you can, whatever you're dealing with.

posted February 23, 2014 07:39 AM              

"Those with a conjunction of SoulMate Pair Asteroids like PSYCHE+ EROS or ISIS + OSIRIS are destined to find their true love Soulmates or even Twin Flames in this very incarnation."

and

"If we have to settle tons of karmic debts, and we yet have the True Love placements in Natal [like Eros conjunct Psyche, or Isis conjunct Osiris in my own case], our partner will have
a) Saturn exactly aspecting our love asteroids [JUNO is also powerful in this case as Ceridwen's research is showing]
or
b) Saturn aspecting our own Saturn and karmic objects plus a mirror aspect of the love Asteroids.

I should put up the synastry of me and my wife here, it is an excellent example.

I have ISIS conj OSIRIS exact.
Her Saturn squares my Saturn and her Ascendant squares my Ascendant exact.
But she also has ISIS conjunct OSIRIS exact."
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/000744.html

I have an exact Isis-Osiris-conjunction in my chart. So I was curious if Saturn-aspects might come up.

I was checking Jude`s and Patrick`s chart for this.

In the synastry with Jude it is his Saturn
- conjunct my Karma exact
- trine my Moon
- square my Juno
(no aspect to Amor, Valentine or Eros though).

In the synastry with Patrick it is his SAtur
- sextile my Valentine exact

as far as I can see no other aspects to karmic asteroids or love asteroids of his SAturn.

In fact we have a Saturn-Valentine-DW

his Saturn sextile my Valentine 0.50
my Saturn trine his Valentine 2.38 (maybe a little wide, but since the average orb is below 2 degrees, I accept this one).

I think I might prefer a harmonious aspect of Saturn to Valentine to a square of Saturn to Juno, which also activates my natal Juno-Karma-square. No thanks.

I proceeded to check the charts of the first guy, the one I thought to be the ONe so many years ago (curiously he sort of played a role in my dream yesterdeay, as I was brushing through an old program of the musical he was connected to, Starlight Express. NAturally. lol)

so this guy has a widish Isis-Osiris-conjunction natally himself (3°41)

his Saturn
doesn`t aspect my love asteroids at all

my SAturn however trines his Amor exactly

As for the other guy who is my "nemesis" (I do not mean it in any bad way though)

his Saturn is only very very loosely trine my Eros, but much too wide for me to count, especially as it is not in a DW (3°31) - 3° for an asteroid trine? No way. Even 2°01 feels reaching to me. lol

His Saturn is exactly trine my Destinn though.

Interestingly guy 1 and Patrick sort of energetically resemble each other. Some similiar vibration there, only that Patrick is somehow. more. I don´t know.

And it was them I shared the Saturn-love-asteroid exact aspect with. Amor in the first case, Valentine with Patrick (even the fact that it is a sextile does not seem to lessen the impact).

Maybe I simply owe them love. LOL
And in a sextile/trine it comes easy to me.
(though it is interesting that it is guy 1`s Amor, but in relation to Patrick it is my Valentine). Interesting.

I do not think I owe Jude Juno though. lol
Or maybe the square implies I would be very opposed to the idea I could owe him something like that. With the square there would be resistance, a Oh hell No, not going to go there (again) - his Saturn in my 7th house.

posted February 23, 2014 07:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
That was actually my first thought reading the question, are they talking about physical or astral sex? lol

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Thank you, Ceri! You get it!

BTW, I just watched the YouTube. Lovely man, lovely voice, so gifted. I like his presence.

When you see him, in person, on YouTube, by photo - what happens? What is the first physical sensation?

For the first time in two years, I ran a search on my guy. I found an article with a photo. The instant I saw that photo - ohhh, right in the heart. It is so intense. It isn't like a crush. It's so damn enveloping. Butterflies in the heart? Almost a sweet ache? I don't know how to describe it. And I started to cry because clearly, this isn't going away. He's here. I'm here. The connection is here.

The article was about his acquisition of a family business, third generation, HIGHLY successful. In the tens of millions of dollars.

I'm so ordinary.

It's one of the things I don't get, have never gotten. Why HIM? Why did I get gifted with a guy who feels so out of reach to me? And then I thought of those of us here who share that dynamic. We're the ones who are aware of *something*, we're the ones with the recognition experiences and these guys feel so unreachable. I've always been on the quiet side, not particularly social although I love people. People like me when they get to know me one on one, but I'm not the type to be country-clubbing and socializing with movers and shakers. What is it with this "uneven" dynamic? Is this one of the hurdles that Spirit gifted to us, something that needs some kind of healing? What are we supposed to do with this knowledge, this awareness, when these men seem to exist in another sphere? I just don't get it.

I'm thinking out loud, or in print. If I've trespassed, please forgive me. If it doesn't resonate, again, please forgive.

Whew. Time for some sleep.

Ceri, thanks for the pointers on the chart. How do I do helio? I found it on astro, but someone said to request a circular chart. I can't find that. Are there any other specifics I need to know? Thank you in advance.

posted February 23, 2014 07:58 AM              

Orb limit 2 degrees - but different from what I usually write, I am inclined to allow greater orbs for ONE aspect, if the other is exact, but the average orb of the two aspects should not exceed 2 degrees (which means if one aspect is exact, the other could be up to 4 degrees - however, even with that in mind, I would only us a 4 degree orb with conjunction or oposition, certainly not with sextile, quinkunx or semisextile, even if the average orb might fit, it just does not feel right. Twinflames will have quite exact aspects anyway).

As for asteroids, out of the top of my head:

soulmate pairings
- Isis - Osiris
- Eros - Psyche
- Siva - parvati/Kaali
- Ariadne - Dionysos/Bacchus
- Pluto - Persephone / Proserpina
- (Jessie/ Yeshua - Maria/Mary maybe)

I wouldn´t use Zeus and Hera or Juno and Jupiter, and no Adonis-Ishtar/INannen. While I am fond of the latter pairing, and it denotes really luscious sensual erotic attractions, let`S not forget that Inanna decreed that her lover/husband should take her place in the underworld (die) because she felt he didn`t mourn her absence/ death enough.

Though they were married in a sacred marriage, it didn´t seem like all was well in that marriage, right? lol
At least there was a bit of vengeance going on here.

Sacred marriage also did not only mean the blissful joining of two souls, but became ritualized to ensure the fertility of the land (The king being married to the goddess of the land).

So we have to make a distinction in terms of the HG here.

posted February 23, 2014 08:01 AM              

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Originally posted by micole maree:
Ceri, that's lovely. Just lovely.

Sitting here smiling softly.

Thank you for blessing my day.

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Me too
That was very touching to read.

posted February 23, 2014 08:03 AM              

Karma, Destinn (Moira, Lachesis)
Union, Boda
Spirit, Angel

Juno, Vesta, Ceres
Amor, Valentine, Psyche
Eros, Lust, Aphrodite

places:

posted February 23, 2014 08:15 AM            

Since I started with a midnight birthtime, this is what I found, so far. (Many other asteroids to run yet.) I guess I shouldn't mention any of the angles' aspects other than nodes, huh?

Synastry, Tropical

Saturn at 5 deg Pisces trine Neptune conjunct Juno at 5 deg Scorpio.

DW Jupiter opposed Juno; Jupiter conjunct Juno. (5 deg orb)
DW Saturn-Venus opposition
DW Saturn conjunct Amor
DW his Vx opposed Saturn; my Vx conjunct Saturn
DW his Eros opposed Moon; my Eros appears to be semi-sextile Moon (does this have value at all?)
DW My Psyche conjunct his ASC; his Psyche opposed my ASC.
DW Lilith trine ASC
DW Jupiter conjunct MH
DW His NN sextile my Venus; My NN square his Venus.
Nodes are square.

His SN conjunct my Vx (conjunct my Saturn).
His Psyche conjunct Destinn conjunct my DSC.
His Jupiter/Mercury/Mars conjunct my IC.

Composite, Tropical

Name asteroids trine, same degree and both sextile Lilith.
Lilith opposed Pluto.
Mercury, Mars, Venus, Sun all conjunct within 7 deg.
Neptune trine Lilith.
Cupid conjunct Uranus sextile Karma.

Composite ASC/DSC conjunct my MH/IC.
Composite Vx/Moon conjunct my Juno/Neptune.
Composite Eros conjunct my Venus/Pluto/POF.
Composite Pallas conjunct my Eros.

Whew. Okay, calling it a night.

posted February 23, 2014 08:31 AM              

your helio synastry

posted February 23, 2014 08:32 AM            

It reminds me of you, Indigo, saying something like "maybe the point is to love unconditionally". I think you nailed it. I'm beginning to think the trap is to limit this *experience* to how we think of romance. This thing is bigger than that.

I also noted that this video said something about twin flames coming together "through all dimensions". ALL dimensions. Which explains some of these unfathomable experiences we've had, doesn't it?

posted February 23, 2014 08:34 AM            

your helio synastry

Oh, bless you, Ceri! Thank you!

posted February 23, 2014 08:40 AM              

(Okay there were some by Goldenraytwinflames, too. )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvq9MjrpIjM

posted February 23, 2014 08:46 AM              

Such as;

His Sun conjunct Saturn
Her Moon opposite Saturn

Or

posted February 23, 2014 08:53 AM              

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Originally posted by micole maree:
T

When you see him, in person, on YouTube, by photo - what happens? What is the first physical sensation?

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A punch to my solar plexus that almost has me physically stumbling and tumbling. Well actually one time I literally did (it was when I saw him again after that very first open air). I was standing with some other people in the aisle at the end of the concert (it was not only him there, and I did not even go there for him. lol), and partly I was just standing so I could be leaving quickly (had to catch my train and it was late already). And while i was preparing to leave unnoticed, another force apparently wnated to keep me planted, so I lost a little balance, and was tripping. I immediately found back my balance; however the moment I was tripping, he actually was making some very quick steps towards the edge of the stage, almost as if he wanted to hurry over and keep me from falling. It was just an involuntary movement,b ut it made me pay attention, cause it was then that I realized that despite all the crowd he indeed had noticed me there, which got me into thinking mode: why on earth would this guy pay attention to me? Why did he even see me?

It was almost like a slapstick-scene. lol

howeer, usually seeing him all what you described and Lavender will happen. But sometimes, esp. if I am in my rational mode, the punch to the solar plexus is too strong, it sends me reeling and spiraling, which results in a feeling of almost resentment towards him. It is not REAL resentment, it is more a desperate try of my conscious Self to push back, to find a safe distance, cause even just seeing him somewhere or hearing his voice (well hearing his voice pretty much ALWAYS knocks the air out of my system), he comes to close, he crawls under my skin, and there is just no way to hide. Nothing that is NOT accessible to him. I feel too raw, vulnerable and completely naked around him, even just seeing him, that sometimes I will at least try to keep up the pretense of a defense system. I do not have any defenses when it comes to him though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IATz8ZVTALo

And also this one, especially this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgjsr3MEfdc

For a long time this was the theme song for me

posted February 23, 2014 09:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
I just wanted to reply to this before I left.

Tgem, I totally know how are feeling here.
I've been waiting for sooo long as well, with longing and a need to connect...
But nothing really came out of it until I took initiative.
And now, like Ceri said, that compulsion is gone. It doesn't feel so obsessive anymore.
I just feel... Happy, whole and content you know?
And no, its not like all my feelings are gone either, its more like they have become strengthened and more grounded. Everything is unfolding the way it should...

I guess what I'm trying to say is that he is right there in front you, and you don't need to wait for anything.
You have already been granted with such a beautiful gift! 😊
You have already connected and you know who he is, which is a huge blessing in itself
Higherself established your connection to one another knowing that you two are ready.
And now its your job to work on your fears and overcome them.
Those fears that you hold are really only a creation of your mind.
If you choose, you can let them go and move on into a more happier and lighter state.
And that happens once you face your fears.
Instead of waiting, why not contact him yourself? Who knows, he just could have been waiting for that!! 😉

You can channel your feelings through creativity too, or anything else that makes you happy.
Thats what I do. It helps me a lot.

Anyways I really wish you can find some relief and better, tgem.
Remember that everything happens for a reason, and the reason for your fears could be that nudge in the direction to overcome them!

Sending you lots of love, stay well!
*hugs* 💙

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Thank you Lavender- it means a lot...just wish I could reach out to him like you did...but I can't. Not in my particular situation. That's why the waiting is so hard...it's not in my control.. I can't control it...and that's the hardest part. As I mentioned earlier in the thread...it will be loving from afar for me...

posted February 23, 2014 09:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Gosh, Michelle
I'm so sorry you had to deal with that

A while back when I was in fear mode, I tried to break our connection too, but it was for the stupidest reason.
All because he was who he is. He is well-known, and for that he has a over a million obsessed girls after him.
THAT is what got to me and made me go into denial and guilty for my feelings. I was angry at myself, telling myself to wake up and not become "one of them".
And obviously, now I know I'm not lol.
I tried blocking him out of my mind. But he would keep haunting me.
Out of the blue I'd just start feeling him, and no matter how hard I tried to shake it off and distracting myself, it would get only get stronger and stronger.
So I tried severing the connection. I hated that I was so attached to him.
I tried the cord cutting thing but failed miserably LOL.
Like you, my heart chakra felt the most torterous pain imaginable. It felt like it was being violently stabbed and ripped apart, while my tears were flowing like a river. But I ddn't stop there until I saw a vision of him.
It was clear as day. It still makes me shiver and send shockwaves of pain to my heart, literally.
In the vision, he had his hand over his heart/solar plexus and was bending over in pain, crying, and begging me to stop.
He told me I was crazy for what I was doing. LOL he was telling me
I couldn't bare to see him like this, and the pain I was in either, so I had to stop right away.
I realized I was playing with fire lol.
Cutting him off felt like cutting a limb.
He is like a part of me, not just that but he IS me.
I then became very sick at that time and went into depression.
All for a man who I wasn't even a fan of and didn't know, but felt the deepest bond and intimate familiarity towards.
And I was never the one to feel so deeply for just anyone, never before have I felt my soul so moved and come alive because of a man.

Its just really weird, how my heart chakra is so sensative to him.
The smallest thing pertaining to him makes it react lol.
Its like everything I now feel, I feel with my HEART, like it has a mind and intelligence of its own...

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posted February 23, 2014 09:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Lol, I've been doing it for the last 6 years...
It can be painful at times, the longing and the pull... though I would rather have that than not know of him at all

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posted February 23, 2014 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Good point...I agree. It will be 2 years in May.

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Four and a half years at the end of March.

posted February 23, 2014 09:49 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
My best advice is know what you know, and let that support you during the difficult times. When you're basically starting from scratch, and there's such a high level of intensity already, you can find yourself living and dying by his reactions and responses to you.

Plus the whole unlikelihood that he's approaching it from the same level you are. Now, if he's writing and singing of an experience which sounds like Twinflames to you, there might be a greater chance he'd be receptive.

But you have to bear in mind that the relationship thus far has essentially been happening in your head. And THAT's hard. The ideal is to one day be able to share these things with him, and hear a similar response. But that sort of validation could be a ways away.

Are you writing a book? Y'know, just to have it all together. You could always self-publish it later. Then you could share it with him, if and when you felt the time was right. Years from now, obviously. But it'd be good to have.

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posted February 23, 2014 10:20 AM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
Ceri, that's lovely. Just lovely.

Sitting here smiling softly.

Thank you for blessing my day.

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Love "Drops of Jupiter"....just love it- great song

I know we all have been posting songs that describe what we have gone/are going through.

Music is EXTREMELY important to him and I. We are both very passionate about music (neptune prominent in both of our charts). He's actually a DJ on the side (one of the things that made me fall in love with him). And he used to make playlists for me...ugh the playlists....the songs he would send me, I couldn't help but think he was talking to me through them because he was too scared to tell me in person. If it's ok, I'd like to share a couple of them that are very significant to me.

The second one is the most significant and tells the story (almost exactly) of how our relationship went down. The lyrics are frighteningly spot on to the nature of the love between us. He sent this to me in the last couple of months before I "ran". That was almost 2 years ago.

"Not Over You" by Gavin DeGraw:

Dreams, that's where I have to go
To see your beautiful face anymore
I stare at a picture of you and listen to the radio
Hope, hope there's a conversation
We both admit we had it good
But until then it's alienation, I know
That much is understood
And I realize

[Chorus:]
If you ask me how I'm doing
I would say I'm doing just fine
I would lie and say that you're not on my mind
But I go out and I sit down at a table set for two
And finally I'm forced to face the truth,
No matter what I say I'm not over you, not over you

Damn, damn girl, you do it well
And I thought you were innocent
Took this heart and put it through hell
But still you're magnificent
I, I'm a boomerang, doesn't matter how you throw me
I turn around and I'm back in the game
Even better than the old me
But I'm not even close without you

[Chorus:]
If you ask me how I'm doing
I would say I'm doing just fine
I would lie and say that you're not on my mind
But I go out and I sit down at a table set for two
And finally I'm forced to face the truth,
No matter what I say I'm not over you

And if I had the chance to renew
You know there isn't a thing I wouldn't do
I could get back on the right track
But only if you'd be convinced
So until then...

[Chorus:]
If you ask me how I'm doing
I would say I'm doing just fine
I would lie and say that you're not on my mind
But I go out and I sit down at a table set for two
And finally I'm forced to face the truth,
No matter what I say I'm not over you
Not over you
Not over you
Not over you

"Take Care" by Drake featuring Rihanna:

[Rihanna]
I know you’ve been hurt by someone else
I can tell by the way you carry yourself
If you let me, here’s what I’ll do
I’ll take care of you
I’ve loved and I’ve lost

[Drake: Verse 1]
I’ve asked about you and they told me things
But my mind didn’t change
And I still feel the same
What's a life with no fun? please don’t be so ashamed
I’ve had mine, you’ve had yours we both know
We know, they don’t get you like I will
My only wish is I die real
Cause that truth hurts, and those lies heal
And you can’t sleep thinking that he lies still
So you cry still, tears all in the pillow case
Big girls all get a little taste,ah
Pushing me away so I give her space,ah
Dealing with a heart that I didn’t break
I’ll be there for you, I will care for you
I keep thinking you just don’t know
Trying to run from that, say you’re done with that
On your face girl, it just don’t show
When you’re ready, just say you’re ready
When all the baggage just ain’t as heavy
And the party's over, just don’t forget me
We’ll change the pace and we'll just go slow
You won’t ever have to worry,
You won’t ever have to hide
You've seen all my mistakes
So look me in my eyes

[Rihanna]
Cause if you let me, here’s what I’ll do
I’ll take care of you
I’ve loved and I’ve lost

[Drake: Verse 2]
Yeah
It’s my birthday, I'll get high if I want to
Can’t deny that I want you, but I'll lie if I have to
Cause you don’t say you love me
To your friends when they ask you
Even though we both know that you do (you do)
One time, been in love one time
You and all your girls in the club one time
All so convinced that you’re following your heart
Cause your mind don’t control what it does sometimes
We all have our nights though, don’t be so ashamed
I’ve had mine, you’ve had yours, we both know
We know, you hate being alone
You ain’t the only one
You hate the fact that you bought the dream
And they sold you one
You love your friends but somebody shoulda told you somethin’ to save you
Instead they say,
Don't tell me, I don't care
If you hurt, I don't tell you
You don't care, if you're true

Don't tell me, I don't care
If you hurt, I don't tell you
You don't care, if you're true

[Rihanna]
I know you’ve been hurt by someone else
I can tell by the way you carry yourself
If you let me, here’s what I’ll do
I’ll take care of you
I’ve loved and I’ve lost

posted February 23, 2014 10:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I found a post the other day of IQ

"Those with a conjunction of SoulMate Pair Asteroids like PSYCHE+ EROS or ISIS + OSIRIS are destined to find their true love Soulmates or even Twin Flames in this very incarnation."

and

"If we have to settle tons of karmic debts, and we yet have the True Love placements in Natal [like Eros conjunct Psyche, or Isis conjunct Osiris in my own case], our partner will have
a) Saturn exactly aspecting our love asteroids [JUNO is also powerful in this case as Ceridwen's research is showing]
or
b) Saturn aspecting our own Saturn and karmic objects plus a mirror aspect of the love Asteroids.

I should put up the synastry of me and my wife here, it is an excellent example.

I have ISIS conj OSIRIS exact.
Her Saturn squares my Saturn and her Ascendant squares my Ascendant exact.
But she also has ISIS conjunct OSIRIS exact."
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/000744.html

I have an exact Isis-Osiris-conjunction in my chart. So I was curious if Saturn-aspects might come up.

I was checking Jude`s and Patrick`s chart for this.

In the synastry with Jude it is his Saturn
- conjunct my Karma exact
- trine my Moon
- square my Juno
(no aspect to Amor, Valentine or Eros though).

In the synastry with Patrick it is his SAtur
- sextile my Valentine exact

as far as I can see no other aspects to karmic asteroids or love asteroids of his SAturn.

In fact we have a Saturn-Valentine-DW

his Saturn sextile my Valentine 0.50
my Saturn trine his Valentine 2.38 (maybe a little wide, but since the average orb is below 2 degrees, I accept this one).

I think I might prefer a harmonious aspect of Saturn to Valentine to a square of Saturn to Juno, which also activates my natal Juno-Karma-square. No thanks.

I proceeded to check the charts of the first guy, the one I thought to be the ONe so many years ago (curiously he sort of played a role in my dream yesterdeay, as I was brushing through an old program of the musical he was connected to, Starlight Express. NAturally. lol)

so this guy has a widish Isis-Osiris-conjunction natally himself (3°41)

his Saturn
doesn`t aspect my love asteroids at all

my SAturn however trines his Amor exactly

As for the other guy who is my "nemesis" (I do not mean it in any bad way though)

his Saturn is only very very loosely trine my Eros, but much too wide for me to count, especially as it is not in a DW (3°31) - 3° for an asteroid trine? No way. Even 2°01 feels reaching to me. lol

His Saturn is exactly trine my Destinn though.

Interestingly guy 1 and Patrick sort of energetically resemble each other. Some similiar vibration there, only that Patrick is somehow. more. I don´t know.

And it was them I shared the Saturn-love-asteroid exact aspect with. Amor in the first case, Valentine with Patrick (even the fact that it is a sextile does not seem to lessen the impact).

Maybe I simply owe them love. LOL
And in a sextile/trine it comes easy to me.
(though it is interesting that it is guy 1`s Amor, but in relation to Patrick it is my Valentine). Interesting.

I do not think I owe Jude Juno though. lol
Or maybe the square implies I would be very opposed to the idea I could owe him something like that. With the square there would be resistance, a Oh hell No, not going to go there (again) - his Saturn in my 7th house.

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Wow, this is so encouraging! I'm going to look at our charts right now...we already have the Isis/Osiris conjunction in our Helio composite pegged...more to come.

posted February 23, 2014 11:34 AM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
Wow, this is so encouraging! I'm going to look at our charts right now...we already have the Isis/Osiris conjunction in our Helio composite pegged...more to come.

Man I feel IQ is, like, the "All Knowing". He really impresses me with what all he knows...not that you all don't LOL 😜

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Do you have a conjunction of a soulmate pairing in your natal, too?
That is what IQ was referring to, just in case I wasn`t clear about it. It is not so much about the connection in synastry but what it means for an individual to have this aspect in natal.

posted February 23, 2014 11:58 AM            

His Saturn also squares my psyche (1) and trines my karma (3)