posted January 30, 2014 04:02 AM              

This is about someone I have known a couple of years. Mostly long-distance. We have now decided to go separate ways, although detaching ourselves is proving immensely difficult for both of us.

A few key aspects:

Synastry
Sun/Asc DW
Moons conjunct - his on my Dsc
My Venus conjunct his NN
Loads of DWs - Juno/Pluto, Karma trine Pallas (my Pallas at 26 Sag), Sun/Penelope, Moon/Kaali .. and more
My Spirit at 2 Libra conjuncts his Jupiter.

Composite
3 planets in the 12th - Pluto, Mars, Jupiter
Asc conjunct Mars, Sun - within 2 degrees.
Saturn conjunct NN
Karma conjunct Kaali and Union - all trining Mars/Eros exact
4 planets at 29 degrees - Neptune, Mercury, Saturn, Pluto

I've been told that the anaeretic degrees in composite point to unfinished business which now must be dealt with - and then the relationship ends. I personally think our link will last, whichever form that might take. So, very close soulmates, in my view, with perhaps a greater agenda (healing, soul growth) than would be expected of SM partnerships. That is what I suspect, despite the surprising degree of familiarity and ease we have in each other's presence.

posted January 30, 2014 07:54 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I don't disagree that they seem to embody the Twinflame connexion: but it's not because of their intense infatuation. It's because they changed the status quo.

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The status quo was changed THROUGH or even because of their intense infatuation.
Had they not been that infatuated with each other and uncompromising as well, the tragedy would not have unfolded like that resulting in the cathartic heart-opening process for the respecitive societies.

posted January 30, 2014 07:57 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Okay, clearly I need to email you privately. I haven't even asked that question, but things have just COME to me.

I told you, by the way, he used to double for him, right? Especially in AI? That just gets me, because it's a weird 'link' between you and he.

Oh, I'm blathering. But I'll email you. Soon.

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*sighs* Within all the blabbering I did, you had to pick up on this, right?

posted January 30, 2014 08:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
I never said that and nor do I think that way.
That is YOUR misconception that a graduate soul is somehow "higher of better" than others.

Graduate simply means that they've experienced it all, several different types of (relationship) roles in various lifetimes and have now left the earth plane.
But they have come back now to help in raising the vibration of the planet.

Graduate souls aren't better or higher at all, they just serve a different purpose.
Everyone has a purpose and they're all unique.

But then again, that's just what I resonate with, I am not impying that others believe the same, I'm just sharing my views on it.

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posted January 30, 2014 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Thanks Ceri! Yes that is one of the things that struck me too...and the combination name asteroid is my first-his last-er .. as in suzyread-er (not the actual one).

The parallel lives, though most of our lives we have been thousands of miles apart, the uranus/venus connections...but there are other connections in the synastries that make it plain that we would likely have bruised each other if we had tried to "couple" in any normal, acceptable way.

Going to have a look at your link and it's late so talk soon xx

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posted January 30, 2014 08:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Another very enlightening article written by a tf couple whos experiences and info resonate a lot with me. I find them to be one if the few REAL tf couples ones who are authentic and sincere.
Their youtube videos are great too.
http://twinflames.ca/2013/10/true-signs-of-a-twin-flame-union/

Though this particular article is more for those tfs who have met and are already in a physical union.
Still though some of the info in there rings true for me and fits in with what I've experienced.

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posted January 30, 2014 09:10 AM            

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The best love is the kind that awakens the soul and makes us reach for more, that plants a fire in our hearts and brings peace to our minds. And that’s what you’ve given me. That’s what I’d hoped to give you forever.

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posted January 30, 2014 09:24 AM              

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Sometimes spiritual growth happens peeling potatoes or talking with a homeless person.

The mundane path is no less important than more obviously expressed spiritual endeavors, though it may be harder for others to see.

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posted January 30, 2014 09:45 AM              

"I feel it's too often being used as a justification in some way. 'So what if I'm cheating - they're my Twin!'"

Yes, I agree with that.

Actually I think there is a risk to both sides of the pendulum. On the other hand using the twinfalme explanation as justification of behaviour, including codependency and other issues.
On the other hand I also see the danger of conceptualizing too much, getting too abstract and over-spiritualizing it, instead of simply experiencing it and accepting it for what it is.

I have seen people become so nasty over these concepts, and I can`t deal with that well, this absolutism, that claiming of having the privilege to the absolute truth in these matters - it just seems so profane to me. lol
And not very spiritual.

I probably walk in this trap now and then myself, as we all do, but I try to remind myself that there is this trap now and then.

But of course I understand the urge, the need to conceptualize, categorize, analyze, as I have it myself.

"FEELINGS? Of an almost human nature?"
Yeah, tell me about it!

Though I must say with my Sag, it wasn`t romantic. Well, I struggle with the meaning of the term romance anyway. But if we talk about the eyes glazing over, drawing small hearts over any notebook, that kind of adoration, no. it wasn`t there.
I didn`t even find him especially goodlooking. And flaws? Oh yes, I saw them, well the little things that endlessly annoyed me and made me make some critical remarks (one thing being that I thought he was just too goofy and silly. Ther eis a limit to everything!).

I did see these little things, that irked me, mostly because I actively searched for them.
No, never Mr Charming, never Mr Perfect to me.

But I guess what annoyed me the most about him, was that despite me telling myself over and over again, that he was neither that goodlooking nor was he serious enough, and too much of a goofball (though I love goofballs actually. lol), and all of that, despite that, there was this instinctive response inside of me to his proximity. I do not even know how to call it, what word fits it. It was like an archaic program gets activated everytime he is near, something inside me responds to him on a cellular level as it feels, and it is nothing that I really have control over. Maybe just the hormones. lol

Well, eventually I HAD to realize, that he wasn`t as goofy, either he has calmed down a lot, or I see him differently now, I don´t know.
And he doesn`t seem to be as shallow, as I hoped him, prayed for him to be. (good argument against a person for me, them being shallow, real turn off).

But of course he is still a little zany. Iremember shortly after our first meeting he was playing in Aida again, and he started adding to his autograph the icon of the eye of Horus, and was having painted it in ink on his wrist for some time, even after the shows ended. He is crazy.

Of course he has NO idea that in his chart HORUS on 4 Libra is conjunct KARMA on 3 Libra, and both opposite OSIRIS on 5 Aries. LOL

Anyway I can´t even label my feelings for him, how would I be able to categorize that possible connection?
All I know is there is something bizarre going on,t hat I can`t quite comprehend.

"It's become a mantra for me. 'It is what it is.'"
Yes, for me as well.
But it is difficult sometimes for a mind like mine to be confined to that, and developing the patience and trust that everything will unfold at the right time and the right speed. and I will know and understand, when the time is right, not before. Gosh, don´t you hate that, too?
my mind is too impatient for that!

posted January 30, 2014 09:52 AM              

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:

No one knows the "total absolute truth", everyone has their own take on things based off their personal experiences and what resonates with them, and that's perfectly fine!
It doesn't make one opinion any better or justifyable than the next one.

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posted January 30, 2014 10:02 AM              

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Originally posted by Catalina:
I hear you but I don't think every pair is ready for a Final relationship. They may meet onc e or many times in a specific life but our main mission is not "worked" as a couple until the time is right.

From what I've gathered here "Graduates" are those "completed" souls who return to help the world. These would probably have already united with their TFs from what I can gather, in a last life or couple of lives before "graduation".

Without insulting the obvious intelligence here I don't feel TF relationships are reserved for Graduates, but help each other graduate before their next venture whatever it may be...? And I feel the relationship is strong enough.that a significant percentage of it
Can take place in a bilocal manner. Nor do I feel that there us a future time when, having assisted in a spiritual rebirth of Earth, graduates necessarily head elsewhere. My feeling is that some - not all - came here to live on earth with fully ensouled bodies/embodied souls and fulfill the goal of doing just that, for the experience. My intuition is that some are already doing so and that "graduating" is not so much s matter of working out karma thru laborious traumatic lifetimes, but of clearing it out thru letting go of our emotional garbage, by whatever means or length of time necessary. Does that make sense?

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It makes sense to me. And I share this view.

But I may be weird in that I so often seem the only one who is not particularly keen of this being their last life.
I just started enjoying it here so much, I really do not want to leave so soon!

But my development is somehow backwards anyway, from living too much in my head and maybe even from spirit, or just fantasizing. lol, I am moving into my body and my heart. even according to a test I took (these are always questionable I know), it is not the crown chakra or third eye chakra I have to worry about; the sacral and the root chakras were the ones that needed most care.

posted January 30, 2014 10:21 AM              

your mentioning of your parents made me think of mine. I do not know if they are twinflames obviously, or soulmates or whatever, but it seems they were meant to be together or at least meet each other.

They met in a discotheque in Germany, and obviously fell in love, though it was also a meeting of minds; my mom loves to tell the story how they stole away from the crowd not to make out (I am sure though there was some of it, too, but I rather did not ask!), but were discussing their views on the Vietnam war and ongoing political and philosophical issues. First meeting. Discotheque, right?
predictable place for discussing politics. lol

Anyway, both family background was such, that their respective familieis had been expelled from their land in the late world war II days, and somehow ended up in villages only 20 kilometres of each other.
The funny thing is that before they got expelled, in the part of the country they originated from, their families ALSO had been - unkowingly- living that close to each ohter.

However it is possible they would not have met or it would have been an inappropriate union then, as their social background was different. My father coming from a pheasant`s family, and my mother, well definitely from a business-family, but there are some mysteries about her family, up to why the local baron or whatever his title was would take so much care to her great grandfather, as to make it possible for him to join the military and later on taking over some jobs for the aristocracy.

Anyway, vastly different backgrounds there.

However, they did meet obviously in the new home-village, fell in love, married and had children.
My middle brother was born with the Down-syndrome, and I suppose this was the trigger for them to not only deal with it and take care of him, which they have always done and still do, but become co-founder of two independent organization to help people with Down syndrome and their relatives. My Dad has still a function within the one organization, which is more about organizing life for people with Down syndrome so that they can live as independent as possible, work and these things.

My mom co-founded a more private organization to pull these people out of the shadows and make them an integral part of social life.
When my brother was little, there were no people with Down syndrome to be seen anywhre, not because they didn`t exist, but families were ashamed of them and scared for them, how other people would react (well Nazi Germany did a a masterly job in eradicating mentally handicapped people as well, and the consequences were far reaching).

However, in the last 20 years or so, this image has luckily changed, and people with Down syndrome have become at least more integrated than before (though still clearly osme work to do there).

These two organization helped a lot raising the consciousness of the immediate environment right down to the politics.

My parents are a part of it, and still are, a couple that instills trust in others and who are actually able to have at lesat a little beneficial influence from behind the scenes.

HOwever, if they had not met each other, and had not had a child withDown syndrome themselves, would they have done that?
And I do believe they made a difference, at least to those people they personally touched and talked to.

On the other hand not every couple who has a kid with Down syndrome is inclined to become active and take this responsibility and put the work into it.

Just makes me think there was some kind of plan behind them getting together, going beyond just becoming romantically involved.

posted January 30, 2014 10:26 AM            

For TF (or rather potential TFs),
they are 2 whole souls. Prior to meeting, they probably go through some form of personal spiritual growth on their own to learn to be comfortable as a whole.

posted January 30, 2014 10:37 AM            

I see Earth as paradise, over which our human dysfunctions are superimposed to create the appearance of limitations, and humans as "becoming" integrated with her natural vibrations for the purpose of being fully human, fully realized while in the body. I have a very hard time with visions of a perfectly sunny, benign environment without the joy and majesty of storms and the adventure of creativity.

posted January 30, 2014 11:01 AM              

"I see that movement in you Ceri, and the beautiful soul that is emerging though I have always loved your nonsensational-nspirational way of seeing things..."
Thank you.

"I see Earth as paradise, over which our human dysfunctions are superimposed to create the appearance of limitations,"
Yes, I see it that way, too.

"though I have no aversion to travelling in other dimensions,"
Neither have I.

I very much enjoy my travels into other dimensions, the difference in vibration, yes. (some might call it my imagination though).

But I also enjoy the physical dimension.

It is just another dimension which has just as much value as any other more etheric or astral dimension.

Also, I have ahard time imaging them all as separated, because they really are all one for me. Sort of folded into each other.

posted January 30, 2014 11:10 AM            

However they can act as a catalyst to bring about issues with your own self and can also allow the other partner to move on from the current relationship and find their next one they are meant to be with.

posted January 30, 2014 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
i have this theory that twinflames would mean having all 12 houses lit up in synastry because that's really how they can be spiritually evolved as 2 wholes becoming one.

Do you see it? You can include those main asteroids like Juno, Pallas, Ceres, vesta.

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That would be nearly everyone. Logical, but impractical.

Rather, those in my research are focussed very narrowly on a particular sign or two in the composite. That makes a lot of sense, considering purpose of mission.

Now that the natal would be 'balanced' in some way, here's a thought.

I was told that one of the main reasons my natal expressed likelihood of being a Twinflame is its lacking afflictions among the basic 9 points. It's also balanced in element and modality.

I think that might have real merit.

posted January 30, 2014 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
Do I understand some of these posts to suggest that Uranus is prominent in twinflames?

If yes, how and why?

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I got that, too, Delilah.

I'm thinking, given the relationship is always conventional, it may be pointing to the more 'Indigo' form of relating, which is Uranian. It's beyond possessiveness and jealousy and insecurity. It's pure love and freedom.

I've seen many Twinflames speak of this in their experiences. It also helps them be apart to do certain things.

I also wanted to address a particular feature, which it may shed some light into.

Certain 'Twin tales', like (presumably) yours, indicate a touch-and-go bond. You'll meet, be in each other's lives for a brief period (year to a few), then distance or separate, 'buzz' around each other throughout, and come back together much, much later, to Do The Thing.

Yours sounds very much like that to me.

Uranus could be involved here, because you're off handling other business, without cutting that silver-blue cord, as it were.

One of the lessons seems to learn to love in a Uranian template. Freedom, space, and compromise. No owning them. None of this possessive stuff. Love without condition or limits. Friends and companions. And absolutely no commitments. Uranus is first out the door when obligations start being tossed around. But he'll never leave if you never shackle him.

So many Twinflames have come here to relearn the lesson we already had: love, but don't own. Love unconditionally. Don't possess. There's a strange security in a Twinflame relationship. There's a bond that's never broken, no matter time nor space or circumstances.

I had a leg up, with the family that brought me in. They've taught me SO much. Among them is to love differently, freely, and without condition.

My Twin's VENUS, MARS, PSYCHE, and EROS are all in his 1H - in AQUARIUS. My SNODE is on the MP of ALL of them.

His URANUS is conjunct his MERC (5R) and my VALENTINE.

Yeah. We get it. 😉

My URANUS is smack on his SATURN which sits on my MOON ... and his KARMA.

We already learnt this whole 'don't possess me' thing before. Being miles and miles away just reiterates that message. I think it's interesting it's his SATURN (12R) and my 6R (URANUS). His karma, my dharma.

In the composite, URANUS is sitting with our SUN, MOON, ASC, VENUS, VALENTINE, JUPITER, MERCURY conjunction in the 1H (Scorpio). It's closer to the MERC, which is technically 0° SAG.

So, yes. In my experience, URANUS figures. I think that may be why.

posted January 30, 2014 12:37 PM              

Yup. That was general theme happening with me too.
Recognition, then soul searching, then the continuos, ongoing transformation.

posted January 30, 2014 12:41 PM              

My Pholus is conjunct our Suns and his Asc, all exact.
His Pholus opposes my Vertex 2°

posted January 30, 2014 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I got that, too, Delilah.

I'm thinking, given the relationship is always conventional, it may be pointing to the more 'Indigo' form of relating, which is Uranian. It's beyond possessiveness and jealousy and insecurity. It's pure love and freedom.

I've seen many Twinflames speak of this in their experiences. It also helps them be apart to do certain things.

I also wanted to address a particular feature, which it may shed some light into.

Certain 'Twin tales', like (presumably) yours, indicate a touch-and-go bond. You'll meet, be in each other's lives for a brief period (year to a few), then distance or separate, 'buzz' around each other throughout, and come back together much, much later, to Do The Thing.

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Going to chime in here if that's ok.

I find this interesting and true to my experience.

posted January 30, 2014 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by IMoppedtheFloor:

.....Why would I be reticent? I just don't feel like you're the judge jury and executioner of what twinsouls are, astrologically or otherwise. So I feel like I don't have to respond to your "challenge" to prove what I already know is true. If it doesn't fit into your paradigm that's really not my problem, what is, is what is, whether it makes you comfortable or not.

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You know what? I kind of am. It's taken me a LONG time to accept this, so quit spouting BS you know nothing about - AND being ridiculously rude to others.

Whoever crapped in your cornflakes, dearheart, I'm sorry, but PLEASE. GET. OVER. IT.

You want a spiritual kick in the head? Here's the first clue. Go out and GET one. You need it.

Continue this line of behaviour, and I'll report you.

Got it? Great.