posted February 24, 2014 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Just for the sake of comparison: in our Helio composite we have:
Isis conjunct Osiris exact
Siva trine Kaali exact
Kaali square Parvati at 1.5 degrees

...I see a theme going

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I'm beginning to wonder if the Helio conjunction indicates a Soulmate / Twinflame relationship, (soul, astral), whereas a Tropical conjunction shows that it will manifest in (this?) incarnation. Just theories.

posted February 24, 2014 03:37 PM              

sorry, I am jsut a bit, I don`t know, out of place.
I knew, Iw as talking too much about him. I shouldn`t have been doing it. (sometimes I fear he might hear it somehow almost. lol)

Anyway, I just was having a look at his facebook site, and apparently he chose to totally anonymize it, taking off every kind of personal information including his relationship status (again). The only thing that really is left there, is this picture from the open air concert, which naturally brings back that moment into my memory when I first saw him (and he me, though he probably does not remember).

I am not even sure why I feel so shaken about it now. But he HAS been acting strange for the last week or so, restless, almost manical (firing so many videos and changing his photos again and again and again - maybe just reconstructing his site, but still weird).

WEll, I even woke up with that strange feeling in the pit of my stomach this morning, like something`s up, but now I feel downright, I don΄t know, startled, scared. Something like that.

Have I been overdoing it? Looking at his site?
Can you see if someone is looking at your facebook account? Sorry I have no clue how that stuff works.

but even if it should be possible, well there is no other site on the net probably, that is more anonymized than mine. Luckily I resisted the urge to put a pic on there.

Anyway I just feel a strange churning feeling in my stomach.

Ah Gabby,

helio centric.

Spiritual chart.

Your true essence.

That which is, in comparision to what we see from our perspective in tropical.

The solar spiritual fire, essence shining through.

The reason for your tropical, that which is BEHIND it.

posted February 24, 2014 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Oh Gabby- thank you so much for sharing 💙💙👼

I can't remember, did you say he has "awakened" and knows the significance of the relationship or no?

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No, he hasn't had an awakening yet! I have shared all this with him...and he said he knows there is something to it! But he's does what's easy and convenient and right there. No biggie! When he wakes up he wakes up!
He has a lot I pressure to be a certain person and because of that he has to deny his real feelings...he's told me that himself!
He cares more about his public image and what his family thinks of him, he comes from money and has to live up their expectations of him!

posted February 24, 2014 03:42 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I'm beginning to wonder if the Helio conjunction indicates a Soulmate / Twinflame relationship, (soul, astral), whereas a Tropical conjunction shows that it will manifest in (this?) incarnation. Just theories.

But where then does Draconic fit in? What would aspects be there? As they no doubt draw from the Tropical, are they a halfway point between soul and Earth? I know they're very karmic. Are they dharmic, too?

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Good question about the Draconic.

I have in tropoical Isis-Osiris-conjunction natally (exact), and conj. Spirit 2 degrees

in helio Isis exact conjunct Spirit and conjunct Osiris 2 degrees.

I also have int ropical JESSIE conjunct MARY by 1°24 (on 9 and 10 Scorpio, RIGHT on my Draconic Vertex-Eros),

in helio JESSIE conjuncts MARY by 1°21, but on 19 and 21 Libra, framing my tropical DNA on 20 Libra, opposite tropical Chiron on 20 Aries.

I also have helio DNA exactly conjunct tropical Magdalena on 1 Libra, which flabbergasted me when I saw it. LOL

Draco JESSIE on the sacrificial degree of 29 Aquarius, with Draco MARY on 00 Pisces.

(there is more much more, but there is only so much I can take tonight. lol)

posted February 24, 2014 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I'm beginning to wonder if the Helio conjunction indicates a Soulmate / Twinflame relationship, (soul, astral), whereas a Tropical conjunction shows that it will manifest in (this?) incarnation. Just theories.

But where then does Draconic fit in? What would aspects be there? As they no doubt draw from the Tropical, are they a halfway point between soul and Earth? I know they're very karmic. Are they dharmic, too?

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posted February 24, 2014 06:06 PM            

In his natal, he has Jessie trine Mary exact as well.

Nothing really shows up in either tropical or Helio composite but in synastry my Jessie trines his Mary. It's wide though (5.)

posted February 24, 2014 07:42 PM            

Is anyone familiar with the Gaiman novel 'Stardust' from 1999? I can't thank the Universe enough for my husband; he is clearly a Guardian and companion to me. A guide. I can't tell you how many times he's proven a conduit to what's coming to me, that I guess I'm just not receiving.

In this case, he started watching the 2007 film at random a day or so ago. I rarely watch anything anymore - too much to do. I feel guilty, too; I should be writing.

But I chose to watch this one. It's Gaiman, after all. Ahh, here comes 12:34. Heh.

I'm still grokking it. The way it affected me was bizarre - and not just because of my fuzzy-headed brain state thanks to the cold. No. This was something else.

The concept of Yvaine, the anthropomorphised star, the star born into human form because she landed in a face realm ... it just all flooded to me. I was entranced. (The film was also excellent from a storyteller / producer's standpoint, too.)

I related to it beyond words of expression. I can't articulate it. It was like watching a film of my family history, or something deeply ancestral.

For those who've not seen it - DO. I won't spoil anything. I'll simply share that, as it concluded, I burst into tears. I don't even know why I was moved that deeply. Was it powerful? In the way that traditional faerie tales are. But this was deeper somehow. This hit me at my core. Underneath the usual dry Brit wit and wry storytelling, there was something that gripped me.

It took me a bit to put myself back together. I was just wrecked from it. I felt loss and longing and desperation and homesickness and fear and that horrible sense I'm not doing what I'm here for. That my 'destiny' awaits.

THAT feeling.

Suddenly, two words popped into my head; I'd seen then when Ceri posted them, but it was of an 'I'll get to that' nature. No urgency. Today, I went searching like a madwoman. Finally, I found them.

SOOMANA (2432) and SOOTIYO (2433).

The Hopi words for Stargirl and Starboy.

'Stargirl' suddenly resonated with me like never before. I KNEW there was something to it.

Its linkages are meandering, and, to me, subtle. But it's resonant with the Soulmate Pairings, in that they're close to being conjunct - but aren't. Quote. It depends at what level we're looking.

We'll start at 'the source', so to speak. Helio.

Some intriguing things afoot there;

• His H-SOOMANA is parallel his H-VALENTINE, widely conjunct my T-SUN, but tightly parallel it.

• Our H-SOOMANA are sextile.

• His H-SOOTIYO is conjunct his T-VERTEX, too, and parallel his H-JUNO. This makes my H-SOOTIYO parallel his H-JUNO, too.

• We have H-SOOTIYO conjunct 2°, on 3° and 5° VIRGO - and exactly parallel.

And, most intriguing:

• My SOOTIYO is right on the MP of his H-ISIS-OSIRIS conjunction, and conjunct both (right on ISIS, and 1.5° conjunct OSIRIS).

On to Tropical:

• Our T-SOOMANA are still sextile. This time, contraparallel.

• Interestingly, his T-SOOMANA is tightly parallel his T-EROS-PSYCHE parallel. In the Helio, it's very wide. Here, it's exact. His T-VALENTINE is still parallel.

It's ALL parallel my T-MOON, and T-SNODE.

• His T-SOOMANA is conjunct my T-KARMA and his T-PLUTO. (Which are all on my T-SUN/MOON MP.)

• My T-SOOTIYO is parallel my T-ATLANTIS and contraparallel T-SATURN.

(Of note to me: my Helio SATURN and ATLANTIS are parallel. T-ATLANTIS is conjunct H-SATURN.)

It gets really interesting in Draco:

• The MP of D-SOOTIYO/SOOMANA is conjunct my D-ASC, with SOOMANA, SOOTIYO, VENUS, and ISIS parallel. (VENUS and ISIS are near-exactly parallel.)

• My D-SOOTIYO and D-VERTEX are tightly parallel.

• His D-SOOMANA and D-VALENTINE are parallel my D-ASC.

• His D-SOOTIYO and D-ISIS are tightly conjunct, near-exact, on my D-VALENTINE.

There are many more ways Draco ISIS, OSIRIS, our SUN, MOON, 7C, VENUS, VALENTINE, ATLANTIS, and SATURN are interconnected and highlighted. But! Let's go on to ...

The Draco Composite:

• ISIS-OSIRIS conjunct, .5°, exactly parallel.

• SOOTIYO-SOOMANA nearly exactly parallel.

• ISIS-OSIRIS parallel SOOTIYO.

• JUNO-SOOMANA conjunct @ 28° GEM.

• ATLANTIS, PLUTO, SATURN, SOOTIYO, SOOMANA, ISIS, OSIRIS, 12C - all parallel.

That seemed significant, so I did some research.

In short, I found a direct linkage to BETELGEUSE (which it's conjunct), which is part of Orion - which the ancient Egyptians likened to Osiris, and the Hindu, Rudra.

Wow.

What do you think, Ceri?

I think you're on to something regarding SOOTIYO and SOOMANA.

How does this figure for everyone else? I've not checked the other two pairings we have in our charts. I just happened to notice links to ISIS, so I looked further.

posted February 24, 2014 07:50 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

I think you're on to something regarding SOOTIYO and SOOMANA.

How does this figure for everyone else? I've not checked the other two pairings we have in our charts. I just happened to notice links to ISIS, so I looked further.

Excited to see where this research goes!

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From memory, I know my DC/TF and I have these two conj. in our T-synastry. I'd have to check the others.

<Edit> Yep, here are the T natal placements:

Mine:
Sootiyo @ 6 Cancer (with Vesta @ 7)
Soomana @ 17 Cancer
Ute @ 19 Gem, conj. his IC (and my Asc.), with Saturn on the other end.

His:
Sootiyo @ 10 Cancer
Soomana @ 8 Cancer
Ute @ 25 Leo, conj. his Mercury, Pallas, and my IC
His Vesta and Hera are at 17 Cancer...

These are also mutually aspecting our Sun/Moon via sextile/trine.

posted February 24, 2014 08:05 PM            

I'm so sorry to hear about what Mr Sag did. You weren't wrong to be more vocal. This is a safe space.

Regarding social networking, specifically, Facebook, I'd hate to give you false information. I still think Fate's stunt was a weird scare tactic. As you know, he can become so terrified of losing contact, but he can't seem reassurance, so, like a primary schooler, he reacts with abuse of some form. His favourite is to play the 'I feel like you're stalking me,' card. I have to manually check his page because he does everything via Twitter, and it won't alert me. So, I check twice a day - if I remember. Usually morning and night.

But he claimed, during one if his moods, that it was more than that. I'd no clue what he meant until he said he has a log which proves otherwise. (To which I couldn't help but respond: now who's being creepy?)

Now, I know that something on my mobile app used to tell me what searches I did - but that's be she's I'm lazy. 😜 I'll search his name in my app, because it's easier for me.

But to think he has an app which spies on his own pages and reports who views it? ... Uhhhhh ....

I think it was more of his barbing BS. Honestly.

But does Mr Sag have a reason for such app? And would he care if you were visiting it a particular day, really?

posted February 24, 2014 08:05 PM            

Check for conjunctions in T-Composite, Morphea. From the looks of that, it should be - if not parallel.

I think yours hit our SIVA-PARVATI.

posted February 24, 2014 08:41 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Isn't that fascinating about SOOTIYO and SOOMANA?

Check for conjunctions in T-Composite, Morphea. From the looks of that, it should be - if not parallel.

I think yours hit our SIVA-PARVATI.

Don't you have something at 11° CAN in your T-Comp? Or H-Comp?

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It is! Esp. as I in particular, have always felt a a Native American connection...

T-Comp:
Sootiyo @ 8 Can
Soomana-Sun @ 13 Can (Vesta @ 12, Alma @ 15)
Ute @ 22 Can (IC @ 20)
Vertex is @ 15 Lib
Uranus is @ 12 59' Lib

T-Davison:
Sootiyo @ 9 Can
Soomana @ 4 Cap
Ute-Moon @ 9 Sag
Sun @ 13 Can/9th

H-Davison:
Sootiyo @ 7'48 Can
Soomana @ 7'37 Cap
Moon @ 12'59 Cap

H-Comp:
Sootiyo @ 7 Can
Soomana-Vesta @ 12 Can (opp Moon/Earth @ 13 Cap, squ. Uranus @ 11 Lib and Chiron @ 11 Ari)

posted February 24, 2014 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

sorry, I am jsut a bit, I don`t know, out of place.
I knew, Iw as talking too much about him. I shouldn`t have been doing it. (sometimes I fear he might hear it somehow almost. lol)

Anyway, I just was having a look at his facebook site, and apparently he chose to totally anonymize it, taking off every kind of personal information including his relationship status (again). The only thing that really is left there, is this picture from the open air concert, which naturally brings back that moment into my memory when I first saw him (and he me, though he probably does not remember).

I am not even sure why I feel so shaken about it now. But he HAS been acting strange for the last week or so, restless, almost manical (firing so many videos and changing his photos again and again and again - maybe just reconstructing his site, but still weird).

WEll, I even woke up with that strange feeling in the pit of my stomach this morning, like something`s up, but now I feel downright, I don΄t know, startled, scared. Something like that.

Have I been overdoing it? Looking at his site?
Can you see if someone is looking at your facebook account? Sorry I have no clue how that stuff works.

but even if it should be possible, well there is no other site on the net probably, that is more anonymized than mine. Luckily I resisted the urge to put a pic on there.

Anyway I just feel a strange churning feeling in my stomach.

Ah Gabby,

helio centric.

Spiritual chart.

Your true essence.

That which is, in comparision to what we see from our perspective in tropical.

The solar spiritual fire, essence shining through.

The reason for your tropical, that which is BEHIND it.

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Thank you for your explanation Ceri!!

As far as his odd behavior have you looked at transits to him right now?

I used to look at the videos out on YouTube and the tv shows website to watch *sparky's* videos and interviews but I quit...it's just more pain than it's worth!

I would think doing it to much would hurt! As I've said before, your strong!

posted February 24, 2014 11:24 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

SOOMANA (2432) and SOOTIYO (2433).

The Hopi words for Stargirl and Starboy

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Great find, thank you! I love how things come to you, that's quite a talent!!
I, like others, found some strong aspects with these asteroids....

My Helio Soomana pisces@16.08
His natal Discovery pisces@15.51
His natal Celestia pisces@16.30
His natal Boda pisces@14.26
My natal Bried virgo@14.20
My natal Ganesa virgo@14.41
My natal Ash virgo@14.54
My natal Isis taurus@15.31
His Dr. Osiris scorp@15.29
My Dr. Samadhi pisces@16.44
His Helio Parvati pisces@15.56
Trop comp Bless pisces@16.27

His Dr. Sootiyo taurus@17.56
My Dr. Eros taurus@17.16
My Dr. Valentine taurus@18.16
My natal Angel cap@16.21
My natal Rudra cap@16.28
My Helio Gabriella cap@15.56

My Helio Sootiyo cancer@18.44
His Helio Raphela pisces@18.48
My Helio Michel scorp@17.06
Trop comp Kaali cap@18.55
Trop comp Siva pisces@20.34
My natal Pallas pisces@17.52
My natal Magdelena scorp@17.49

His Dr. Soomana virgo@19.45
My natal Moon virgo@18.38
My natal child virgo@19.45
His Trop Eros cap@20.32
His Dr. Union scorp@21.38
My Trop NN scorp @21.44
My Helio Valentine cap@21.02

posted February 25, 2014 01:04 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
No no, there's so much more to the story about why my husband and I split. I was in a co-dependent, controlling relationship where I was emotionally neglected. I have 12th house venus and spent 10 years of our marriage sacrificing my needs for his. He was very controlling and selfish. I believe he wanted out of the marriage long before we actually split. I was very alone and TF picked up on that after getting to know us. TF was the catalyst to ending my marriage. I actually fought to save it- that's why I initially "ran"...tried to put our marriage back together, but husband wasn't willing to put in the effort. He was the one that actually filed..not me. And it broke my heart, even though I knew it was for the best. He was one of those men that was completely emotionally unavailable and so neglected me as well. But I still love my husband, after all that he's done/didn't do to me. That's why I wish him the best. We actually have a love stellium in the 11th house in our progressed composite. I believe we were always meant to be friends, rather than lovers. He is absolutely a soulmate (I believe we may actually been brother and sister in another life.). But we produced an amazing beautiful son who I love more than life itself. So with that said...I will always love him for giving me such a wonderful gift.

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posted February 25, 2014 01:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:

He cares more about his public image and what his family thinks of him, he comes from money and has to live up their expectations of him!

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Really sorry to hear about this, I know this is really hard.

@ Ceridwen, have you had any dreams/visions/astral experiences with Mr. Sag (sorry, I don't remember if you've mentioned this)?

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I am not even sure why I feel so shaken about it now. But he HAS been acting strange for the last week or so, restless, almost manical (firing so many videos and changing his photos again and again and again - maybe just reconstructing his site, but still weird).

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I'd wonder if you're picking up on things from his end...

Checking transits wouldn't be a bad idea either.

As for facebook, I know you can check to see who's visited your page (from what I've heard), but I'm not sure how to do it as I just haven't bothered to look myself.

Tgem

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It's interesting how we all seem to have the combination of the scientifically/analytic mind along wit a strong creative side. Doesn't that fit one of the definitions of TF's? Having gifts in both areas?

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Yep! Mine was like this too, though his focus was on the arts.

Thank you all for the compliments btw. I do hope to exhibit that one.

I'm still working on compiling aspects. will post some more at some point.

Here are a few asteroid aspects to start (though they are out of order/incomplete at this point, mind you):
We do have an Eros-Psyche conj. in our helio synastry chart.
Raman-Sita conj. exact in our Draco, my Sun is 2 degrees from it, and my Kaali-MC square this conj.
Draco Siva sextile Parvati, square that Raman-Sita conj.
My tropical Osiris-Asc conj. his tropical IC exact (which is opp his Saturn).
His tropical Sita-IC conj. my Asc-Osiris
His Eva is also on his IC, with the same aspects as above.
*^These asteroid-angle conjunctions square our Moons. which are opp by 2 degrees.
Our name asteroids conj. in t-synastry, and I have his last name conj. my first name in my natal.
His t-name conj. my t-SN to a degree. His name in my natal conj. his Vertex.
In t-Composite, his name is on the Dsc. while my name is on the Asc.
My t-Zeus conj. his t-Asc by 2 degrees
My draco Rudra is exactly on his MC-Saturn.
His d-Osiris and Innanen is exactly conj my d-Venus and antivertex with his Isis and Vertex-Valentine 3 and 4 degrees away.
t-Rudras are conj.

posted February 25, 2014 01:30 AM              

Transit SOOMANA is RIGHT on my NN-Neptune-conjunction as of now. Will be exact the weekend I suppose.

Natally SOOMANA is conjunct my Sun exact on the GC.

posted February 25, 2014 01:40 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

But does Mr Sag have a reason for such app? And would he care if you were visiting it a particular day, really?

Chin up.

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I had no idea this can be done.

But no, he does not have ANY reason. He should not care. Well he is a bit in the public eye, a lot of people will visit his facebook site.

As for me doing it, yes, I might have been overdoing it over the last days, but then on the other hand, it is impossible to connect my facebook site back to me. Now let`s talk about who is paranoid here.

And even if he saw that *someone* was visiting his fb, why should he care? I don`t think he would, no reason really.

Before I logged off for good though, I saw that while his gf`s page looks pretty much unchanged, there is only one minor change, and that is she also took her relationship status off, and pretty much erased every trace there ever was a relationship.

Well, after that short glimpse I started getting so appalled with myself (I mean, it is not really my business anyway, right? I am a Sag, not a ********* Scorpio, I don`t SPY on people!), that I really logged off for good. That is silly school-girl- crap and not worthy of my age and dignity. lol

posted February 25, 2014 01:45 AM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:

I used to look at the videos out on YouTube and the tv shows website to watch *sparky's* videos and interviews but I quit...it's just more pain than it's worth!

I would think doing it to much would hurt! As I've said before, your strong!

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I actually love seeing intervies of him, they are business related anyway.

But as for checking his relationship status on fb, well, sure it did hurt.
But it gets better with time, just some does of reality is sometimes needed, putting things in perspective.,
It is all good and well to have a spiritual sense or connection to someone, but we have to stay aware that they have their own choices, their own perspective and pretty much living a life which does NOT revolve around us. There is a fine line between spiritual truth and delusion about physical reality.

And especially before seeing him I NEED to put things into perspective, into physical reality, even though I do not deny the truth of my spiritual experiences. But different layers of dimensions...

posted February 25, 2014 01:50 AM            

Your artwork is stunning. I'm always intrigued when I see people who have heavy science/math backgrounds who can also be so expressive in the arts. Obviously, you are one of those who has a balance between the left brain and the right brain.

posted February 25, 2014 01:51 AM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Thank you for your explanation Ceri!!

As far as his odd behavior have you looked at transits to him right now?

I used to look at the videos out on YouTube and the tv shows website to watch *sparky's* videos and interviews but I quit...it's just more pain than it's worth!

I would think doing it to much would hurt! As I've said before, your strong!

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Oh his transits. Out of the top of my head:

Tr Venus conjunct his natal Venus (LOL he is going to have a Venus-return when I see him that weekend, or I see him just shortly afterwards9

(which means Tr Venus is ALSO conjunct our composite Moon, my natal Vertex and Sun/Moon-mp as well - all bundled together with relatively generous orbs)

Tr Mars conjunct his Union (and mine) and square his Venus

Tr Saturn conjunct his Uranus in 8th house exact, sextile his Venus, trine his ASC, sextile his Saturn

Tr Uranus trine his Mercury

Tr Pluto trine his Mars-Jupiter-conjunction

Tr NN has JUST entered Libra (and exact on hsi Union - and mine)