posted January 30, 2014 12:55 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

So, yes. In my experience, URANUS figures. I think that may be why.

What're your thoughts?

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posted January 30, 2014 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
"However, in my particular case, there was a recognizing, a deep inner soul-searching and thus life transformation."

Yup. That was general theme happening with me too.
Recognition, then soul searching, then the continuos, ongoing transformation.

I wonder if this can be seen in the synastry charts too...
What aspects do you think might explain this?
Pluto perhaps? 8th house/8th house ruler aspects?

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Yes, absolutely....among others. As I had mentioned in an earlier post, both him and I have the outer planets prominent in our natals. Therefore we have the outer planets prominent in our synastry as well, and most of them DW's. Uranus for the unconventionality, neptune for the soul/spirituality and Pluto for the transformation....JMO, of course.

posted January 30, 2014 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
For the most part, I agree.. The only part that just doesn't feel right for me, is that they may not be together.
My thinking of the TF concept is getting together against the odds.. What ever it is that stands between them (maybe that's their karma) that the powerful of meeting your TF would make you stand up and fight to be together... (Together)
That's how it helps change the world..
An example (from another era)
Long time ago, (even stiff today, in parts if the world)
When 2 people of different nationality got together, they have to fight the world against acceptance.
Some people might say, hey this is just to hard, I don't want to fight family, neighbors... Etc...

In a TF relationship, they stay together, fighting the racism together... Proving how they stand by each other and how the negative world can't break them...
Doing this opens up the doors, for future couples... Then opens up the world to accepting interracial couples..
That in my view is an example of a TF type of relationship.

Excuse any typos, I'm really tired

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No worries. And there certainly are those whose 'mission' it is to defy the odds to be together. I can imagine that's why we started seeing some gay couples of Twinflames. (Hey, it takes a lot to heal this world.) In this day and age, we're fighting for marriage equality. So some will certainly fight for marriage.

But not all of us.

Several are content doing our part, and remaining separate-but-together. Loving in a powerful, but practical way. I certainly couldn't write this story without mine, and it turns out it's quite possibly the missing piece to the Twinflame portrait.

So I've committed to, one day, our doing this series.

We'll be older. Our 40s, most likely. I'll know even more, and have collected so many more Twinflames. Learning so much more than I know now. He'll grow. He'll spend more time in Sedona (move there?!?) and it'll change him. He refuses to learn to love without me, though.

And I ... :sigh:

I had to bury my feelings. Completely. Just to get through the days. He's an expert at burying his feelings, too. Together, we have the combined superpower of denial!

But we were never supposed to BE together in any traditional sense. My husband needs me. My stepdaughter needs me. And my costar, now my lover, needs me. But I AM learning - so, SO much.

But my Twin ... he's not ready to BE loved yet. Or to learn.

And what can I do? Besides do what I know I need to in order to prepare myself for what I must do? To be the best version of me I can be?

If that ain't 12H LEO NNODE for you. 😉

posted January 30, 2014 01:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
I think asteroid Pholus might play a role too.
Its known to be responsible for being a catalyst for huge change.
Sort of like the Vertex, its like a turning point.

My Pholus is conjunct our Suns and his Asc, all exact.
His Pholus opposes my Vertex 2°

Do you any of you have it prominent in your synastries?

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In his natal he has Pholus conjunct his venus in Pisces which is the apex of his natal Yod. In my natal, Pholus is conjunct my name and Amor asteroid conjunction in Pisces which is exactly semi-sextile his first/last name asteroid conjunction in my natal.

posted January 30, 2014 01:17 PM              

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
I think asteroid Pholus might play a role too.
Its known to be responsible for being a catalyst for huge change.
Sort of like the Vertex, its like a turning point.

My Pholus is conjunct our Suns and his Asc, all exact.
His Pholus opposes my Vertex 2°

Do you any of you have it prominent in your synastries?

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For me Pholus indeed has been very significant.

I mentioned that man I used to think of as my twinflame; granted much of it was just fantasy and imagination of a 15 year old, not even caring for the fact that first of all he was a performer (do I detect a theme? lol), and had basically disappeared from the face of the earth. No internet these days. no clue if he was even still alive. Never even seen him to begin with, just heard his voice, saw his photo, and bam! Something just took over.
Fantasy, yes, mostly, probably.

But at the same time my spiritual awakening started, my interest for astrology became that passion it is now, meditations, bouts of telepathy, astral travels, I slowly remembered that I always had the capcity as a child, and everything else. Oh and of course the month I discoverd him, I stumbled over Linda Goodman`s work. First time, and first time that the words twinsoul came to my consciousness, through various sources, also read an article in an old magazine; jupiter, about twinflames, astral travel and so on.

the realization that we were NOT meant to end up riding into the sunset happily together, became such a traumatic crashing down of every beliefsystem, that not only I was plunged into a dark night of the soul, but literally being brought to the edge of death.
Actually I think back then I was given a choice, and had I chosen to not take on this tremendous soul-pain, I would have died, lying there on the ground in my grandmother`s appartment, surrounded by her, my mother and father, who tried to stabilize me.
Later on it was not really talked that much about it, and well, I took it either for just a serious bout of dizziness or breakdown of the circulatory system (I would be having more bouts of these in the coming years, which I now take as a sign, that I wasnīt quite firmly embodied, but somehow my soul and spirit was always trying to stay in a different dimension than the physical one) or a nervous breakdown.
Maybe it was. I donīt know.
I could have died that night and the temptation was GREAT.
I also remember sensing the presence of my maternal grandmother, whom I could never meet, because she died many years before my birth, but it is said I am a mirror immage of hers, and most of all I felt back then, that i could not do that to my mom. It would have destroyed her. Losing her daughter after already having lost her brother at the age of 3, and her mother at the age of 17.

It sounds maybe strange, but it was so crystalclear to me that this night was a decision of life and death.
I decided to stay. Again. (I made the same decision, as I remember, when I was a child.)

Maybe I WAS simply having a nervous breakdown. lol
But it was very traumatic, and it was triggered by that gentleman as well. Or my reaction or imagination or whatever, my insights, as to why we would never be.
ADd to that that later on it turned out, or seemed to turn out he was gay (It was just a few months ago I learned, he actually is not gay, but bisexual, but it doesn`t matter either way anymore).

Pholus was being discoverd the very year Ihad my breakdown.

Apart from that the transits of Pholus were reliable timers as to when he would sort of pop up again.
ctually he did show up in my life.

I remember that day. I was walking down a street, not thinking about anything, and suddenly it was like a sudden electric flash hitting me right into what I have come to identify as my crown chakra right now, and I KNEW he had come back, I even knew the city he was in.

I raced home to check the yellow pages (lol). Amazingly he di dnot have a private scret number, but it turned out I was right, he had been in exact that city I had foreseen, and actually his phone numbers was the same as mine, except for one digit.

Some other bizarre strange things surrounding this one as well, but maybe I am just perceiving it that way.

However Pholus was always in the transits on these occassions.

Actually my Pholus is cojunct his Chiron-ASC-conjunction, opposing his Pluto as I remember and sextile his Karma, while his Pholus and SN are conjunct my Moon in Aquarius and trine my Karma.

in the composite Pholus is conjunct Valentine in Aquarius.

A lot of zany Uranian energy there, right to my Uranus opposing his Venus. lol

No, he certainly is not and never was my twinflame, and if I see him today somewhere, I do not quite get why I was feeling that strong magnetism to him, it is simply gone.
It is gone since the last time I saw him on stage in 2010. You know something you just know that it`s time to let go and leave, that your path now has to take another direction.

Still, without him I wouldn`t be here today. I wouldnīt even have met Mr SAg!
It was always Paul who sort of pulled me to where Mr Sag was, just because of them working together or Paul cancelling and Mr Sag taking over that spot.
It almost felt .... intentional. lol

But yeah Pholus. lol

My Pholus is on 6 Pisces conjunct HOrus and sextile Venus-Isis-Osiris. I like him to be there.

posted January 30, 2014 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Ok I know this is an astrology forum but since we're talking about validity etc. has anyone used tarot as to validate if the other person in question is their true TF? I know some people on here study it. Wouldn't that help to give insight into the nature of the relationship? Not saying this would definitely give a yes/no but help confirm or deny maybe?? IDK...just looking for thoughts I guess...

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posted January 30, 2014 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
I hear you but I don't think every pair is ready for a Final relationship. They may meet onc e or many times in a specific life but our main mission is not "worked" as a couple until the time is right.

From what I've gathered here "Graduates" are those "completed" souls who return to help the world. These would probably have already united with their TFs from what I can gather, in a last life or couple of lives before "graduation".

Without insulting the obvious intelligence here I don't feel TF relationships are reserved for Graduates, but help each other graduate before their next venture whatever it may be...? And I feel the relationship is strong enough.that a significant percentage of it
Can take place in a bilocal manner. Nor do I feel that there us a future time when, having assisted in a spiritual rebirth of Earth, graduates necessarily head elsewhere. My feeling is that some - not all - came here to live on earth with fully ensouled bodies/embodied souls and fulfill the goal of doing just that, for the experience. My intuition is that some are already doing so and that "graduating" is not so much s matter of working out karma thru laborious traumatic lifetimes, but of clearing it out thru letting go of our emotional garbage, by whatever means or length of time necessary. Does that make sense?

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Absolutely. It does to me, anyhow.

I'm going to make a separate post addressing the point of those which are similar to Twinflames in scope, but different.

posted January 30, 2014 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well the last time I asked about Mr Sag and me it gave me the Princess of Cups and Prince of cups. Not sure I really want to know.

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posted January 30, 2014 02:23 PM              

Semi-kidding.

But I was so sad when he obviously decided to not perform at a certain village anymore. I loved that city, and while he might have been ready to move on from there, I clearly wasn`t ready to let go. But if I go there, I want to see him perform open air. I am stubborn like that.

I have had several set of dreams in which I pleaded my cause to him.
In these dreams he agreed to give my case some consideration.

Seems the judgement was in my favour, a great opportunity just came up. A Whitsun-festival (I wanted to always see it anyway, but never made it there).

Of course most tickets are already sold, practically no hotelrooms left. I literally got the final one! (hotelroom)
and the only tickets left were those at an aisle. LOL
Why am I even TRYING to sit anywhere else? I always end up at the aisle anyway.

Maybe this is silly, but I am really happy about this.

posted January 30, 2014 02:32 PM              

Your story sounds very familiar to what I went through as well, prior to becoming aware of Virgo guy.

There were two people with whom I experienced a magnetism and unhealthy obsession with, a Scorpio and a Pisces.

I had first developed very strong feelings for the Scorpio, 7 years ago.
I was very attached to him and obsessed and I let my imagination run wild that he was the perfect kind of guy and we were meant to be together...
But, it was unrequited. And I didn't want to accept the fact that it was, which eventually led to heartbreak and depression on my part.

After the heartbreak I experienced from the Scorpio, I started to develop an infatuation with a Pisces guy that went to my school.
Similar thing happened with him, it was unrequited and resulted in heartbreak, and I went into a really isolated mode after that and developed anxiety.

A year later, after I had slowly let it go and moved on, I reconnected with the Scorpio guy online.
But this time, all feelings were gone.
There wasn't anymore of that strange magnetism, obsession, the butterflies, etc.
I didn't feel a single thing, not even anger for him.
But we talked casually and remained friends.

One thing I noticed with both of these guys (Scorpio and Pisces) was that they really sparked my imaginitive faculty, especially the Scorpio, which made things a lot worse.

So anyways, onto how he led me to finding out about Virgo guy:
One day while we were talking, scorpio guy had listed a huuuge list of artists that he listened to, most of them were lesser known European bands, and one of the names stood out to me.
So I went to go google them and then BAM – I came across Virgo guy.
He couldn't help but spark my curiosity as to how familiar he looked and how much he reminded me of myself... Right down to his physical features and the way he just "was".

I thought hm he could be a long lost brother of mine or something lol.
But all jokes aside, I have to say that I didn't feel anything romantic initially. It was more of a close "I know you" type feeling.
And there wasn't any of that typical shyness and infatuation things that I get when I like someone lol.
Seeing him made me feel more open than ever, I almost felt exposed, as crazy as it may sound... Like I had nothing to hide from him and it was ok to just "be"
And I think you know what followed after lol
That hunger for answers and what all this was about, trying to process it all, then the "withdrawl/running away from my shadow" stuff, then the transformation that followed...

Funnily though, the Scorpio kind of resembled Virgo guy, they had a similar style lol.
But in no way the feelings are any similar or all I have gone through.

But Ceri I can sympathize with you and know how it must have felt.

posted January 30, 2014 02:37 PM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
Ok I know this is an astrology forum but since we're talking about validity etc. has anyone used tarot as to validate if the other person in question is their true TF? I know some people on here study it. Wouldn't that help to give insight into the nature of the relationship? Not saying this would definitely give a yes/no but help confirm or deny maybe?? IDK...just looking for thoughts I guess...

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I mostly draw the Aces pertaining to him, I have gotten the Ace of Cups, 2 of Cups and Ace of coins mostly, followed by the Ace Wands.

posted January 30, 2014 02:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The status quo was changed THROUGH or even because of their intense infatuation.
Had they not been that infatuated with each other and uncompromising as well, the tragedy would not have unfolded like that resulting in the cathartic heart-opening process for the respecitive societies.

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posted January 30, 2014 02:46 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
@Catalina- the parallel lives, Uranus/venus and other synastry indicators showing possible hurt in a "conventional" relationship is very prominent with my supposed TF as well

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posted January 30, 2014 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
*sighs* Within all the blabbering I did, you had to pick up on this, right?

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Eventually. 😉

posted January 30, 2014 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
This is the couple who I have been working with as well, among others, who I feel is very knowledgable. I don't know that I agree with 100% of everything they say, but most of it, I do.

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We've been in correspondence - Mel, rather than Nichole. I think the only thing we disagree on is the previous karma jazz. I've had too much tell me otherwise in too many ways. He's intrigued by my own experience, considering it happens to fit 'the plan' to a bizarre T - and it's just something my own Twinflame and I created with several others.

So I've got to say, they got me off my ass, so to speak. I begun to take it seriously and start preparing - rather than be fearful and allowing my scepticism to predominate and direct my intuition.

posted January 30, 2014 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
I mostly draw the Aces pertaining to him, I have gotten the Ace of Cups and Ace of coins mostly, followed by the Ace Wands.

I am just learning tarot right now though.

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I've gotten 2 of cups multiple times for him and I. The Death card as well.

posted January 30, 2014 02:56 PM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
I've gotten 2 of cups multiple times for him and I. The Death card as well.

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posted January 30, 2014 02:57 PM              

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Originally posted by tgem:

Should also add that many times, from what I understand, the 2 of cups can also mean business partners. Put that into the context of a SM or TF relationship, I feel it can also relate to a "spiritual purpose" together....as that is usually the purpose of a TF union.

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posted January 30, 2014 03:05 PM              

Actually I was just pulling three cards on how I will experience that upcoming event, or rather how the "connection" or reception between us will be and I pulled:

Page of Cups - 10 of cups - 2 of cups.

LOL

A little bit much cup I suppose. but definitely encouraging.

posted January 30, 2014 03:07 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
We've been in correspondence - Mel, rather than Nichole. I think the only thing we disagree on is the previous karma jazz. I've had too much tell me otherwise in too many ways. He's intrigued by my own experience, considering it happens to fit 'the plan' to a bizarre T - and it's just something my own Twinflame and I created with several others.

So I've got to say, they got me off my ass, so to speak. I begun to take it seriously and start preparing - rather than be fearful and allowing my scepticism to predominate and direct my intuition.

A clear WIP.

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posted January 30, 2014 03:14 PM              

I defintely know what you are speaking about.

"But then again its good that you did or you wouldn't have grown so much and come as far as you have now,"
That is what I am absolutely certain of, yes. It was a ncessary thn ting to go through, but man while going through it and I got stuck there for an eternity, it was, very painful, and it did a lot of damage to my ability to trust anyone`s perceptions including my own.

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But this time, all feelings were gone.
There wasn't anymore of that strange magnetism, obsession, the butterflies, etc.
I didn't feel a single thing, not even anger for him. "
Yes, exactly like that.

"He couldn't help but spark my curiosity as to how familiar he looked and how much he reminded me of myself... Right down to his physical features and the way he just "was".

I thought hm he could be a long lost brother of mine or something lol.
But all jokes aside, I have to say that I didn't feel anything romantic initially. It was more of a close "I know you" type feeling. "

That was my reaction to seeing Mr SAg, too.

"And there wasn't any of that typical shyness and infatuation things that I get when I like someone lol. "
Yes. well, actually what got me to notice him was the fact that he seemed to see me no matter where I was. Sometimes it felt like where I was, was the centre. I donīt know. hard to explain.
Of course this was followed by a period of complete ignorance. LOL
But those first times, I was having the feeling like I was always in the spotlight, even if trying to hide in the audience.

Maybe my Sun in conjunction to his Moon, simply.

" I almost felt exposed, as crazy as it may sound.."
Exposed is exactly what i feel around him, too. And when it first happened, I wasn`t able to deal with it. Yes I have a Sun-Merucry-conjunction right on the Galactic centre, but it is isolated in my chart. I am not used to be connected to it all the time. Well now I am . lol

"Funnily though, the Scorpio kind of resembled Virgo guy, they had a similar style lol. "
Yes, Paul and Mr Sag do have some similiarities, but as you said, the feelings are very different.

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Btw, my Sun and Pholus are both at 8 Virgo, opposing your Pholus, and my Saturn at 9 Pisces conjuncts it lol. :P"
Oh right into my Kite.

GT of Venus/Isis/Osiris on 6-8 Cap, trine Lucifer on 6 Taurus trine Lilith-Hekate on 6 and 8 Virgo, and these opposing Pholus-Echnaton-Horus-Ishtar-Ceres and probably a lot more. lol

posted January 30, 2014 03:22 PM              

In the Davison we have a conjunction of Venus and Mars on 9 and 11 Taurus; it is opposite the intercepted ASC-ruler Uranus on 8 Scorpio and squaring the main ASC-ruler Saturn on 13 Leo in 7th house.

Well, Uranus is also trine DESC on 11 Cancer (on which our biblical conjunction rests), and Venus is trine ASC exactly.