posted February 27, 2014 02:30 AM            

You wrote it before I could go back in and edit this. It WAS.

SO raw. SO overwhelming. Since that time, I've had many other times when I've felt that longing and pull.

What I didn't write there and I'm going to go back and fix is that this experience triggered my own longing. And it became a familiar feeling that would visit and revisit me over the years. Still is.

So I understand your words and I hear your heart. It is very difficult to stay in this place of such overwhelming longing. It hurts so deeply.

I keep going back to your word "raw". That's the one.

posted February 27, 2014 02:34 AM            

This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyVvA3GddhA

As I listened to the tones of the "balance sound frequency" wash over me, I was taken back to my deja vu experience.

The "tone" in this video is what I heard echoing in my mind and reverberating in my being when I heard Jace's name for the first time. This tone exactly.

Weird. But somehow just another resonance.

posted February 27, 2014 02:37 AM            

I went to ancestry.com to search for birth records for Jace's kids. (MorpHsTorM suggested that if I found those records, some of the angles might be clues to Jace's chart.)

This is the same site I used years ago to uncover Jace's parents' marriage which enabled me to pin down Jace's birthplace. The SAME site. And I can't turn up ANYTHING. Not on Jace or his former wife or any trace of his kids.

posted February 27, 2014 02:48 AM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
"So how do you know if your supposed to be "with" your twin flame or not? Is it Juno? Is it Eros? There has to be something that says, he's not just your twin flame he's your husband also?? Right??"

To me I would think Juno would have to be significant (it's the marriage asteroid right?). Same with Boda, briede and groom. These seem like love/marriage asteroids, not JUST love asteroids. That's just my theory though.

Just an example (although I have NO idea if this will come to fruition). In our Helio composite, we have Juno opposite Boda exact. What's interesting is that Juno conjuncts Anteres and Boda conjuncts Aldebaran.

To top it all off, Juno forms a Grand Trine with Unitas and Minerva.

Helio Groom (conjunct saturn) is opposite Helio Briede by 3 and Briede exactly trines our Spirit/DNA conjunction.

There's more but I just wanted to focus on the marriage asteroids.

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I would add UNION, too.

Though I fear there are no guarantees even with the most compelling aspects.

posted February 27, 2014 02:56 AM              

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
No its good that you shared.
It helps me out a lot.

I just feel that Orion amd Sirius could be one of the clues to determining TFs, as the ancient Egyptians believed that Osiris was descended from Orion, and Sirius was the cosmic manifestion of Isis's soul.

Both stars were very significant to many ancient civilizations.

The air shafts of the 3 pyramids in Giza, Egypt line up precisely with the 3 of the brightest stars of Orion.

There have also been pyramids and monuments found in Mexico and Arizona that are structured in a way that they are in perfect alignment with the stars of Orion.

Sirius was known to trigger the annual Nile River floods which brough back life and fertility to Egypt.
It appeared in the sky for the first time after 70 days, on the day of the summer–solstice.
Sirius was then first star in the Egyptian calendar to signifiy the beginning of the Egyptian new year.

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posted February 27, 2014 03:46 AM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
I can't find Orion on astro, not even in the list of fixed stars. Is it spelled differently?

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There are two of the stars in the box of selections where Juno, Ceres, etc. all are. They are Betelgeuse and Rigel. The list you click to open up may contain the others (I'd have to look).

posted February 27, 2014 04:19 AM              

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Originally posted by felicity:
Been tracking this thread for sometime, and also researching via the net all about twin flames. Really helped me to assess if mine is also a TF relationship as well. I'm convinced it's the real thing, though we haven't really actually met each other in person. Right now I'm still keeping a healthy distance from him and keeping an eye on him from afar, dunno if he already made the connection. But I think I just saved his soul from a false twin connection. Anyone heard of it? Just sharing my insights and would like to hear your opinions

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Welcome to the thread.

Yes, I heard of a false twin connection, I donīt believe in it though.

posted February 27, 2014 04:28 AM              

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Originally posted by summerlite:
ceridwen

do you use Davison geocentric chart and is it better?

Just ran it and Karma was at GA
Sabian: The Great Pyramid And The Sphinx

Took me so long to figure out with the Egyptian past-life theme based on composite mid-point chart, synastry charts.

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I donīt know which is better to be honest.

some only go by Davison, others by composite. I think IQ relies only on composite, and I usually rely more heavily on it, too.

HOWEVER, the Davison can be really telling.
I keep an eye on those.

The composite is a conclusion, a summary to the natal, as it highlights and focuses natal and synastric parallels (if you have both Venus-Pluto-square in natal in the same phase, it will come up in composite as well and hence emphasise a big theme).
#

Davision seems more "fated" in a way, out of our control, as it doesnīt need to bear resemblance with either natal.
I am a bit blurry on this one, though.

However I found it very telling that it is the Davision where the exact Isis-Osiris-conjunction takes place.

Also,

Davison DESC: 11 Cancer
Davison Mary: 11 Cancer
Davison Jesse: 9 Cancer
Davison Sappho: 11 Cancer

On the night we met Tr Karma on 10 Cancer.

Hence it means it was transiting our Davison DESC and Mary-Jesse conjunction

And bear in mind, that the musical I was seeing him in was "Jesus Christ Superstar".
he was playing Jesus, naturally.

Where it gets difficult though, is that our Draconic composite ASC is on 10 Cancer!!!

Not easy to decide.

Well maybe I should look into the Jesus-Mary-thing some more.

posted February 27, 2014 05:03 AM              

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Originally posted by micole maree:
I had been feeling HIS loneliness, HIS yearning, HIS wishing, HIS wanting. He wanted his partner. And he was alone.

But HIS yearning and longing and wanting and wishing were now somehow MINE. I wasn't feeling this man's feelings for him, I was feeling them WITH him. Our hearts were now joined.

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OH MY GOD, YES YES YES!!!!!!

That is exactly how I felt too.
HE has been the one always in search of his soulmate, longing for true love.
In many of his interviews he's mentioned that because of his profession, he couldn't trust just anyone and let them in. That it will happen when the time is right, and he will just know, when he finds her.
He's always been a firm believer in soulmates, love at first sight, at the like.

What a sweet romantic lol

And that somehow rubbed off on me, like a virus.
And now I am infected, 5 years later, feeling all that he feels simultaneously, alongside him.
Like you said, his pain, longing and loneliness is MINE now, I know exactly how all that he experiences because I am not experiencing it all with him.

Prior to coming across him I had never even heard of soulmates. I wasn't even looking to get into a relationship or find someone to love, I was more focused on my studies at the time lol.

But boy did his "calling out for his soulmate/true love" really work... 😉
He awakened me good.

I find the description of Moon/Chiron conjunction very fitting here b
We share a DW

"When your Moon conjuncts his Chiron, you possess the innate and uncanny ability to see through the facade and literally 'feel' his pain in the sign where it is manifested.
The feelings drawn out between these connections are always profoundly bittersweet as they allow the emotional reservoirs their liberation and their healing.

posted February 27, 2014 05:04 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Welcome to the thread.

Yes, I heard of a false twin connection, I donīt believe in it though.

What I believe in is that sometimes you can mistake someone for a twinflame, who really isn`t. Which probably is the definition of a "false twin" anyway. lol

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posted February 27, 2014 05:09 AM              

"When you search
And in process lose yourself (in it)
Then I find you
And take you back to me

We put our shards together
We are one like Yin and Yang
Do you feel me
When you breath
Do you feel me
When there's nobody"

posted February 27, 2014 05:10 AM              

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Originally posted by micole maree:
I can't find Orion on astro, not even in the list of fixed stars. Is it spelled differently?

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Orion is a constellation which consists of fixed stars

posted February 27, 2014 06:04 AM            

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Originally posted by felicity:
Been tracking this thread for sometime, and also researching via the net all about twin flames. Really helped me to assess if mine is also a TF relationship as well. I'm convinced it's the real thing, though we haven't really actually met each other in person. Right now I'm still keeping a healthy distance from him and keeping an eye on him from afar, dunno if he already made the connection. But I think I just saved his soul from a false twin connection. Anyone heard of it? Just sharing my insights and would like to hear your opinions

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Felicity, welcome. I'm sorry I was so distracted with the pieces here that I forgot to say "Hi".

I've come across that term and theory, but for me, it doesn't resonate at all.

What I'm learning out of sharing with these so-genuine women/kindred spirits here is that there seems to be a common experience with the TF that is VERY deep, actually cataclysmic in many ways, that sends us into a spiritual awakening, search and growth. (Liora of Twin Flame Sacred Keys on Facebook calls this "deep soul preparation".) It is not a hearts-and-flowers romantic experience; it is a completely unfathomable,different experience from anything I've ever known before. I've been deeply in love with a soulmate, had a kind of familiarity and comfort with him that was distinctive and "felt" very rare and special for a time, but everything about this new experience and connection to this TF is at a completely different level. To FEEL this much and this deeply and not even be in a relationship with him is utterly unreal. And yet, it's VERY real.

A whole lot of words there! But again, welcome.

posted February 27, 2014 06:10 AM            

Lavender, I can only pull one quote, but your prior post describing how we feel with them, how deep it is, totally resonates here.

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Here is a small verse from one of his (translated) songs

"When you search
And in process lose yourself (in it)
Then I find you
And take you back to me

[b]We put our shards together
We are one like Yin and Yang
Do you feel me
When you breath
Do you feel me
When there's nobody"

That last bit right that!!!!
THAT is what really gets me.
Couldn't he get any more obvious? Lol. [/B]

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I so love these lyrics. I wish I could hear the song, but I understand that they're in a different language. Still, the translation captures this experience rather well, doesn't it? Yes, that last bit is it. On the nose.

Michelle

posted February 27, 2014 06:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I donīt know which is better to be honest.

some only go by Davison, others by composite. I think IQ relies only on composite, and I usually rely more heavily on it, too.

HOWEVER, the Davison can be really telling.
I keep an eye on those.

The composite is a conclusion, a summary to the natal, as it highlights and focuses natal and synastric parallels (if you have both Venus-Pluto-square in natal in the same phase, it will come up in composite as well and hence emphasise a big theme).
#

Davision seems more "fated" in a way, out of our control, as it doesnīt need to bear resemblance with either natal.
I am a bit blurry on this one, though.

However I found it very telling that it is the Davision where the exact Isis-Osiris-conjunction takes place.

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Ceri, I played with the Davison charts a bit tonight, barely, really. And interestingly, it showed a Moon-Chiron trine. We have so many oppositions and squares in our other charts (along with some conjunctions, trines and sextiles, but the red lines dominate) that this was a surprise.

Is it best to use the corrected Davison or the uncorrected? (What's the difference? I couldn't pick it out.)

Michelle

posted February 27, 2014 06:27 AM              

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Originally posted by micole maree:
MorpHnStorM and Lavender, thank you for the help with Orion.

Lavender, I can only pull one quote, but your prior post describing how we feel with them, how deep it is, totally resonates here.

I so love these lyrics. I wish I could hear the song, but I understand that they're in a different language. Still, the translation captures this experience rather well, doesn't it? Yes, that last bit is it. On the nose.

Michelle

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You're welcome. 😊

Me too

He writes english songs as well.

There is this one in particular in which he describes that "feeling from afar" thing and "not knowing who 'they'are but you are waiting for them" type of feeling... Its just.. Too obvious and spooky, the words he uses lol.

posted February 27, 2014 07:05 AM            

Sometimes I wonder if I'm sharing too much. But there is this drive to WRITE IT ALL DOWN and it feels right to put it here. We're all going through this and just trying to better understand, to be able to "hold" the experience in a way that moves us forward.

posted February 27, 2014 07:08 AM            

Is a Spirit-Union DW in synastry a go? Or am I mixing up combinations?

His Spirit conjunct my Union. My Spirit trine his Union.

posted February 27, 2014 07:09 AM              

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Originally posted by micole maree:
Lavender, it's important to listen to that internal voice.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm sharing too much. But there is this drive to WRITE IT ALL DOWN and it feels right to put it here. We're all going through this and just trying to better understand, to be able to "hold" the experience in a way that moves us forward.

So I understand protecting your privacy. <3

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Very true, yes.
Its good to share
Helps us all to compare notes and relate to one another.

posted February 27, 2014 07:20 AM              

" And interestingly, it showed a Moon-Chiron trine. "
if the trine is close in orb (2° max), it is very significant. Deep emotional resonance with each other`s vulnerability, and unlike the square or opposition, probably more smoothly in healing.

In my experience Chiron- aspects leave you totally open, naked, vulnerable and raw. Like you have been stripped bare of all defences, (which is why being hit there hurts so much). This is why you donīt want to have too many harsh squares to Chiron in synastry or composite.

Well I am one to talk. Our composite Chiron on 29 Aries opposes Union on 29 Libra and squares ASC on 1 Aquarius. LOL

"so many oppositions and squares in our other charts (along with some conjunctions, trines and sextiles, but the red lines dominate) that this was a surprise."
It depends on what is aspected in square aspects.

Generally speaking it is more important that the orb is tight (to conclude that there is significance).
For example my friend and her twin have an exact square of Isis and Osiris. Nevertheless they are so dedicated to each other.

In my synastry there seems actually to be a preponderance of the quinkunx aspect, which is an intriguing one. Being stuck between harmony and challenge. lol

However squares of the vulnerable energies like Moon for example to Saturn or Nessus or Chiron, can bring a lot of OUCH factor.

posted February 27, 2014 07:23 AM              

"The Medium Coeli (MC) computed for the time midpoint, which is the basis of the Davison chart, deviates very slightly (usually by less than 1 degree) from the composite MC (computed as the midpoint between the two personal MCs). The time correction applied to the standard Davison chart brings its MC into perfect alignment with the meridian axis of the composite chart. Most astrologers read the composite chart and the Davison chart together. "

I will use uncorrected one from now on. Davision is a stand alone chart, independent of composite, so it doesn`t make any sense to adapt it to compostie.

Interestingly using the uncorrected one brings Karma into orb of conjunct ASC.

ASC: 13.33 Cap (right on his name in my chart)

Karma: 14.55 Cap

Wow! That puts our Davison DESC EXACTLY on Sirius (orb is 0°12)

And KARMA is only 5 minutes of Vega anyway. I never even saw that before, but it gives me goosebumps.

posted February 27, 2014 08:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, after reading this here:

"The Medium Coeli (MC) computed for the time midpoint, which is the basis of the Davison chart, deviates very slightly (usually by less than 1 degree) from the composite MC (computed as the midpoint between the two personal MCs). The time correction applied to the standard Davison chart brings its MC into perfect alignment with the meridian axis of the composite chart. Most astrologers read the composite chart and the Davison chart together. "

I will use uncorrected one from now on. Davision is a stand alone chart, independent of composite, so it doesn`t make any sense to adapt it to compostie.

Interestingly using the uncorrected one brings Karma into orb of conjunct ASC.

ASC: 13.33 Cap (right on his name in my chart)

Karma: 14.55 Cap

Wow! That puts our Davison DESC EXACTLY on Sirius (orb is 0°12)

And KARMA is only 5 minutes of Vega anyway. I never even saw that before, but it gives me goosebumps.

Funnily I have been dreaming of Orion AGAIN

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Again, thank you, Ceri. I'm happy that my question inadvertently directed you to something significant as well.

You mentioned Vega here. I think I've seen it mentioned before and had asked about it earlier, today or yesterday. It is conjunct in every chart I've ever done so it must be a fixed star or a slow-moving something, right? If it is, what are we looking for in relation to Vega?