posted February 27, 2014 12:09 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Ok, step one: you said he had a Saggie moon. Google the time range that the moon was in Sagittarius on his given birthday. Was it all day or did it change?

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Yes. It didn't change until the next day.

posted February 27, 2014 12:20 PM            

But his looks might be Taurean too. I just don't know enough.

posted February 27, 2014 07:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Funnily my natal reflects a combination of both their natals (I know she is an ex, but they have both such big stellia in SAg and Aqua respectively, that I had to notice that.

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Did you have similiar Kaali?

posted February 28, 2014 12:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Welcome to the thread.

Yes, I heard of a false twin connection, I donīt believe in it though.

What I believe in is that sometimes you can mistake someone for a twinflame, who really isn`t. Which probably is the definition of a "false twin" anyway. lol

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Thanks for replying. This thing is haunting me for the past several months. At first I thought it was just a powerful infatuation/obsession. So I reflected how am I going to resolve what's happening to me, I'm always been interested in studying astrology since I was 12 (though I'm no expert) but I know the basics. So I thought that astrology would give me the answers, then I came across the term 'twin flames'. When I read the signs of a twin flame connection, I was flabbergasted. Then a sudden realization came to me. As I looked back, I noticed some striking similarities in our life story, even the timelines are close to each other. (I even discovered that our grandfathers were batchmates in the same medical school). My efforts in forgetting him were in vain, as I keep seeing signs related to him whenever I go. Well, I'm posting this to be able to shed some light because I think I'm going crazy (which is unbecoming of me) and I just to have to let this thing out.

posted February 28, 2014 01:21 AM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
Yeah, he's a conundrum. The stellium is Jupiter, Mercury and Mars all conjunct within five degrees in Taurus. I see lots of Taurus in him.

But his looks might be Taurean too. I just don't know enough.

I wish we had email here on this site.

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Ugh. This cold. I had to pop on, though; had a feeling.

posted February 28, 2014 01:24 AM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
Yes. It didn't change until the next day.

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posted February 28, 2014 01:41 AM            

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Originally posted by micole maree:
Felicity, welcome. I'm sorry I was so distracted with the pieces here that I forgot to say "Hi".

I've come across that term and theory, but for me, it doesn't resonate at all.

What I'm learning out of sharing with these so-genuine women/kindred spirits here is that there seems to be a common experience with the TF that is VERY deep, actually cataclysmic in many ways, that sends us into a spiritual awakening, search and growth. (Liora of Twin Flame Sacred Keys on Facebook calls this "deep soul preparation".) It is not a hearts-and-flowers romantic experience; it is a completely unfathomable,different experience from anything I've ever known before. I've been deeply in love with a soulmate, had a kind of familiarity and comfort with him that was distinctive and "felt" very rare and special for a time, but everything about this new experience and connection to this TF is at a completely different level. To FEEL this much and this deeply and not even be in a relationship with him is utterly unreal. And yet, it's VERY real.

A whole lot of words there! But again, welcome.

Michelle

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Hi, micole maree. Thanks for replying. At first I didn't believe with the false twin, but I been keeping an eye on a guy for several months now. He belongs in one of the old rich families here in our country (they're even listed in forbes magazine as one of the top 50 richest). It began as I am a fan of her mom, who is a renowned chef here, I follow her at facebook and on twitter(that's why I got hold of his birth time, strangely she posted it on her twitter). At first I didn't notice his son (I am not really active online, I would only check if there are messages and friend requests). It began March last year after his mom's birthday. I was unwinding back then as it was summer vacation (I'm a dental student) So I was looking at my facebook newsfeed and she posted a picture with her son and looked at it for several minutes. I think that's when this all started. Then that feeling that you wanted to know all about him. So I would always looked on his twitter account, and even anyone that have got to do with him. Til I found out that he has a girlfriend (though he never said it publicly) I found out as I was looking at her gf's instagram. Sounds creepy but yes, I stalked everything that got to do with him. Til I found out that the girl (she's a fashion blogger, sometimes she models) they say, is a gold digger. She's a high school drop-out who wasn't able to graduate because she plagiarized her term paper. I even read that even parents from her school don't want to associate their children to her, because they say that her mother is a gold digger. On top of that, she has lawsuit for physical assaulting a former friend at a bar (who was his ex-boyfriend's sister). She dated him and he dumped her because he caught her cheating on him. When she didn't managed to get him back (She even gave him 85 missed calls and made a scene on his mom's birthday). Well, they are still many stories in between so to make the long story short, after that she dated him (my TF). Obviously she's just using him so appear as if she has moved on (I found out that her dad embezzled millions of money in one of my TF's family company, though obviously he didn't know that). So they had a romantic relationship (though strangely he never said publicly that he's her girlfriend, but her mom knows her as she frequently dines to her restaurants). As he is studying abroad, so it is a long-distance relationship. That's when I realized that she must be a false twin because from what I read, false twin connection only survives in distance. Thank god they're not an item anymore (I think I was quite responsible for it).

Whew! Really a long story, considering I've known him for only 11 months and we still haven't met each other in person.

P.S. These are the articles I've read regarding false twin flames. I think we should be vigilant about them.

posted February 28, 2014 01:51 AM            

We'd be glad to.

What's your story? It helps to give a bit of context.

I'll be in and out, guys, as this fatigue (rotavirus) is horrible. I've got a lot to share, though. It's been an oddly eventful few days.

Keep on keeping on. I'm lurking until my brain's back in full swing.

Believe it or not, I'm writing. Expect periodic snippets of The Valdonia Conspiracy, as it's now in progress once again, a decade since its inception. Thanks god the inspiration to pick it back up! I'd have never thought.

posted February 28, 2014 01:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
I'm pretty sure this thread has the most posts on the forum.

Way to go, IndigoDirae

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Aww. Thanks, Mercurian. I'm really pleasantly surprised. But then everyone's knowledgeable, gracious, and seeking to either learn or assist - and it's one of those topics than you can delve deeply into - and still only scratch the surface.

posted February 28, 2014 02:09 AM            

While I agree with Ceri that a false twin is merely that - a false Twinflame, there are a few intriguing concepts which could confuse or lead us to presume or assess erroneously.

1) As I've said earlier, I think there's a missing link I'm calling Guardian Soul until further notice.

That is:

• a very high-level Soulmate which tends to not only accompany Graduate Soul incarnates, but is crucial in their development.

One or two may be most prominent, even if several are encountered. Indeed, one may feel akin to a Twinflame at times, and would easily be so mistaken, were it not for the presence of one who supersedes certain characteristics or levels of experience.

For example: one with whom someone is telepathic, has active dreamstate / astral involvement, shares Soulmate / Twinflame astrological markers.

In the case of a Guardian versus a Twinflame, however, I believe the key is 'more' or 'constant'. Telepathy may be variable; the markers may be lesser; the dream / astral presence may be inconsistent, etc.

And:

2) The Near Twin.

This is one of those newer theories I'm evaluating. A NT would be, quite literally, a sort of twin. In this case, one with whom one was created; it's said the Near Twins are those souls who are created at the same instant / ejected from the Source - however you best view it.

While it's a new concept, it may have some merit. Indeed, there are those soul siblings which feel very much like twins of a kind - whilst not being a Twinflame.

posted February 28, 2014 02:13 AM              

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There. Had to say it.

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Though of course mental illness or transdimensional (spiritual in this instance) truth, might be the same thing, depending from what (or whose) perspective we are looking from.

Don`t feel offended, if I say `we`, I mostly mean `I`.
And just saying it cause as of now I am royally ****** .

posted February 28, 2014 02:16 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Ugh. Lunar Sags. They'll rip your heart, give it back to you, take it again, and then somehow seduce you into continue giving it, won't they? Heh.

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This is SO apt, and so much how I amf eeling right now. You have no idea.

posted February 28, 2014 02:19 AM            

Let me back up a bit here. I saw this video today on Facebook, not for the first time. It explains some of the reactions I had over time, as Jace would occasionally call our home to talk business with my husband or leave a message on the answering machine. I had this "soul soar" experience every time I heard his voice prior to that first visual/solar plexus whomp. And since as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy2wuSaUNc4&list=TLN8Nm7Catlt2KAxzH6DIRSsbksSrrKGHO

I looked up some photos of him on Facebook and the net last night (to try to identify that ASC) and that feeling hit me again. The only way I know to describe it is that it's slightly similar to how you feel when you're crushing on a guy with the butterflies and the heart-pounding and nerves, except it's way more intense and hits the heart center and the solar plexus dead-on. It almost makes me breathless. Which is why I usually avoid looking up photos of him, lol.

During the next week after we returned from Tahoe, I told my husband, calmly but with my own personal power that he hadn't seen from me in years, that I was leaving him. He was in shock but also in denial. He had always been able to swing things his way with charm and persuasion and sweetness (for a short while) and I'm sure he figured I'd cave in to his wiles again. But I just kept giving him the truth about how devastating our marriage had been for me. The weight I had put on out of carrying the weight of pain around his sex addiction. (I literally grabbed a roll around my tummy and said, "THIS is the shame I've carried, YOUR shame, because you said you couldn't bear for anybody to know about this. I kept your secrets but it was grossly unfair to me.") He stared at me in shock and then started to cry. (No sympathy please. I was married to a narcissist and every manipulation is pulled out, no stops, when they're threatened.) He said, "I can't believe I hurt somebody so special, so deeply."

I repeated that he had indeed done so and that I couldn't live this life of being ignored and lied to and abused and neglected and dismissed as being of no value. And I said that I deserved to be loved as I had once loved him, through way more thin than thick, for so long. I asked him to please prepare himself to tell his family, friends and coworkers. Yeah, he was in shock.

Meanwhile, I was still struggling with this blown-open heart. I still felt too vulnerable, unguarded. I was trying to figure out what all of this meant. I was MARRIED. All of these experiences had happened while I was MARRIED. I've never taken my vows lightly, even though the marriage really was dead, had been dead for years.

I mean, "Really, Destiny? You had to lead me to this guy while I was married, through my HUSBAND, who works for him? WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?" {{This was resonating as a line I heard in a movie. I finally remembered what it was. "Return to Me", Minnie Driver, questioning God having given her the heart of the dearly beloved deceased wife of her new love. Oh, can I relate to the outpouring of emotion and questioning in that scene, applied to THIS experience.}}

Meanwhile, I had been steadily losing weight, about thirty-five pounds at this point. I was walking nearly every day. I was reading spiritually-oriented books, working on the astrology (looking for answers), expanding my intuition and ability to receive Divine guidance. Strangely, I found that I was clairaudient. Much of my guidance came to me as spoken word, softly spoken. My strongest ability is clairsentience - "clear feeling" - and most of what I picked up came through this one. But clairvoyance was kicking in as well. All of this very, very much exploded wide open in growth in this area for me even though there has always been some connection to my intuition.

I really started thinking about the deja vu and the astrologer who pointed out my true love aspect at 45. I was 45 years old on the day that I spotted Jace for the first time. 45 years old and had been fighting despair for over a year since my husband's personal earthquake hit me. That internal voice that had said to me, "That's it. It's over" was a MAJOR turning point in my life and I had ignored it. Nobody will ever convince me that there is no such thing as Destiny. We can alter the course somewhat through Free Will, but Destiny WILL play out.

I was still dreaming of Jace. He haunted my sleep and my waking hours. One night, a couple of weeks after we returned from Tahoe, the longing was so strong in my heart that I literally went to sleep feeling only that. (Was it mine or his? It doesn't seem to matter. Twin flames are one.)

{{{Oh boy. My heart IS open again. He's making love to her. UHHHHHH. Ow. I just asked for this link to reopen, didnt' I? i really don't like this part...}}}

A split-second moment while I viewed Jace lying on his back in his bed, in his bedroom. My astral self was apparently suspended in the air, given the viewpoint I had. I registered his wide-open eyes, staring in shock. I KNEW he was aroused. I sure as h*** knew I was. And then WHAM. I awakened back in my own bed with a HUGE jolt, completely frozen, unable to move my body for several seconds.

And laid there, eyes wide open in utter shock.

WTH?

I KNEW it wasn't a dream. It was real. It had just happened. How? Why? Oh my God, what was HE thinking? What was he FEELING?

I can pretty much guarantee that he was in the same state of shock that I was. I was in disbelief, knowing it had happened but not knowing what to think, how to hold this one. Even more unbelievable, I could describe the general layout of his bedroom, the furniture placement. Obviously, I had never "been there" before. This was apparently an astral projection, for wont of a better description. Involuntary astral projection. But I also knew the "participation" was mutual. I've been all OVER the net looking for something that would help me to assimilate it.

There was something so other-worldly about preparing to leave my marriage while having these continuing inexplicable experiences with a man who barely knew I existed. He was single. I was not. He was unawakened. I had awakened. I simply kept going, hearing all the while the same word that kept coming through in that soft voice: "Trust".

I started looking for a place to rent for my daughter and I. Meanwhile, our twentieth anniversary was approaching. He asked if I wanted to do anything. (We really couldn't afford it after just going to Tahoe.) I told him it wouldn't change anything if we went away; I was still going to leave him. He said, "Let's just get away anyway".

(To be continued.)

posted February 28, 2014 02:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
maybe we are deluding ourselves after all, and nurturing and supporting a mental illness in each other.

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I think we're too smart for that. We're asking questions, sharing experiences, comparing data, constructing hypotheses and investigating our findings.

posted February 28, 2014 02:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
This is SO apt, and so much how I amf eeling right now. You have no idea.

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posted February 28, 2014 02:24 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Something I'm thinking to add:

While I agree with Ceri that a false twin is merely that - a false Twinflame, there are a few intriguing concepts which could confuse or lead us to presume or assess erroneously.

1) As I've said earlier, I think there's a missing link I'm calling [b]Guardian Soul until further notice.

That is:

• a very high-level Soulmate which tends to not only accompany Graduate Soul incarnates, but is crucial in their development.

One or two may be most prominent, even if several are encountered. Indeed, one may feel akin to a Twinflame at times, and would easily be so mistaken, were it not for the presence of one who supersedes certain characteristics or levels of experience.

For example: one with whom someone is telepathic, has active dreamstate / astral involvement, shares Soulmate / Twinflame astrological markers.

In the case of a Guardian versus a Twinflame, however, I believe the key is 'more' or 'constant'. Telepathy may be variable; the markers may be lesser; the dream / astral presence may be inconsistent, etc.

And:

2) The Near Twin.

This is one of those newer theories I'm evaluating. A NT would be, quite literally, a sort of twin. In this case, one with whom one was created; it's said the Near Twins are those souls who are created at the same instant / ejected from the Source - however you best view it.

While it's a new concept, it may have some merit. Indeed, there are those soul siblings which feel very much like twins of a kind - whilst not being a Twinflame.

But the above is simply going to take more research. Intriguing, though. [/B]

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Why doesn`t this feel new to me?
Esp. the thing about Near Twins.

I believe that Paul is/ was a Guardian-soul to me; Despite so much time having passed, and me getting out of this obsession for real. lol, whenever I am hitting a real rough patch, as of now, I can sense him so strongly.
In a way it feels like he is "watching over me", at least his spiritual counterpart, and by now, after the pain of all these years ago, has faded, I am just so thankful for these experiences, which - let`s be honest- shaped me to be the person I am today.
If not for him, I would not be here today and sharing my insides with you.
Though if not for him, I might already be married with children and if not happy, but maybe would know some form of contentment. Or not. One never knows. Never mind, just wanted to express my gratitude that this soul/ spirit once has touched my life and influenced me so greatly, even though it meant I had march through hell and back again, and back to hell once more. LOL

Our composite,

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posted February 28, 2014 02:39 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I think we're too smart for that. We're asking questions, sharing experiences, comparing data, constructing hypotheses and investigating our findings.

If we're crazy, then by default, science is delusional. Because that's just science. 😉

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Agreed.

Of course a true madman would say exactly that.

The problem is we might gather our observations, but also put our interpretations onto them. And probably they could be interpretet otherwise, too. Just in the devil`s advocate here.
I am not actually believing it, it`s just rough.

and yet at the same time the day outside is so beautiful and though it feels like everythng broke down last night, this morning feels fresh and alive, which is strange. I should not feel that way. And I donīt. Yet part of me does.

posted February 28, 2014 02:40 AM            

Some of you have come across mention that the reunion of Twin Flames is aligned with Ascension, right? The seeing of 11:11 is also something that Twin Flames pick up on during this time. Don't ask me to nutshell Ascension, even though I've read plenty. Let's call it spiritual expansion and awareness and being readied to live from the heart chakra as we head back towards Source.

There are several people that I follow who talk about Ascension and with whom I resonate. I came across mention of the ear ringing in Doreen Virtue's books; she simply said that it happens when we're getting downloads of Divine information. And there are many mentions out there of Ascension "symptoms". I'll tell you, every time we go through solar flares and eclipses, etc, there is a new list of symptoms and the darn things fit what I'm going through physically. I know I've shared some kinda unbelievable stuff and some of the things that are influencing me, but I encourage you to check it out and see if it fits for you.

posted February 28, 2014 02:47 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Ugh. Lunar Sags. They'll rip your heart, give it back to you, take it again, and then somehow seduce you into continue giving it, won't they? Heh.

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Yeah, I've heard that. And that there is a lot of on/off, blowing hot and then cold. That fits with the moodiness that has been reported to me. Oh well. I guess we all get stuck with *something*. (I've got Saturn conjunct Vertex in the FIFTH! AND in Capricorn! The worst placement for Saturn. And then Saturn squares my Sun.)

Yes, Indigo, that was me on YouTube. (You have a gorgeous voice. ) I'll probably remove that comment soon, though, if I can. I need to protect some privacy, with all of these details I'm revealing here.

Your Guardian Soul theory is resonating here. Somewhat. I find it hard to believe that I'd have ALL of this with Jace and that he isn't a Twin Flame. But I'm wide open to exploring this and revealing whatever it takes to add to the discussion.

Feel better, Indigo. Your absence was noted.

Michelle

posted February 28, 2014 02:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
maybe we are deluding ourselves after all, and nurturing and supporting a mental illness in each other.

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Ceri,

I think we've ALL hit moments/days/weeks/months where we think we're completely deluded! This stuff is just too WEIRD!!!!

But what strikes me is the consistency and close similarity, if not sameness, between our experiences.

Just one of us? Yeah, maybe deluded. I know I've had that thought about myself. But in this forum, this one thread in one section of one of many astrology forums on the net, there are a group of us experiencing the same things.

Take heart. We're not only living in this and with this, we're delving into precisely what "this" is. It's real.

Michelle

posted February 28, 2014 03:22 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Welcome, felicity!

We'd be glad to.

What's your story? It helps to give a bit of context.

I'll be in and out, guys, as this fatigue (rotavirus) is horrible. I've got a lot to share, though. It's been an oddly eventful few days.

Keep on keeping on. I'm lurking until my brain's back in full swing.

Believe it or not, I'm writing. Expect periodic snippets of The Valdonia Conspiracy, as it's now in progress once again, a decade since its inception. Thanks god the inspiration to pick it back up! I'd have never thought.

More later.

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I think I should post our charts first, so we could assess if it's the real deal. Do you mind if I tell the whole story? That could take up a whole page of this thread!

posted February 28, 2014 03:38 AM            

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Originally posted by felicity:

I think I should post our charts first, so we could assess if it's the real deal. Do you mind if I tell the whole story? That could take up a whole page of this thread!

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Felicity,

I think we've all been telling our whole stories. In pieces, mostly. Frankly, I think it's helping us to deal with this - I keep using this word - unfathomable experience as we look for the answers, or at least SOME of the answers, in the charts.

I, for one, am all ears. (Or eyes!)

Fire away! (But for your own sanity, you might want to break it up in smaller pieces.)

Michelle