posted January 30, 2014 05:00 PM            

I lied when I said there was no GC action. It's a little wide sometimes (or minor asteroid-ish), but:

GC was supposedly at Sag 26.10 when I was born. He's a couple of years older. His Adorea is at Sag 26.59; my Poseidon is at Sag 25.44. Our composite Aura is at Sag 25.11.

Uranus is in my 7th house; we have lots of Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto synastry, including a close Venus-Uranus square (yeah, I know that's not supposed to be good, but we're an interracial couple and I have no issues, oddly enough, about him having his freedom - so far, anyway). My DSC is in Gemini.

Draconic composite Sun is at Sag 24.29; several other draconic planets and asteroids in Sag, many of them conjunct my 1st house Ceres-Chiron-Kaali-Spirit stellium at Sag 16, the Sabian for which I love: An Easter Sunrise Service draws a large crowd. Several of the others at/near my ASC at 11 Sag.

Oh, and my Sun/Moon midpoint is at Sag 28.32.

posted January 30, 2014 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Hang on, Delilah - you didn't even mention the Heiros Gamos, which means it couldn't have been amazing.

Okay, that's it. I'm done. I'm not gonna go risk life and limb unless there's incredible, mind-blowing sex involved.

I jest. 😉 But that should be clear enough that I appreciate your scepticism, AND yet, that sounds like Twinflames to me. There were a few key features that jumped out at me. The fact that you're likely taking on things related to ancestry and racial differences and issues is wonderful.

Your relationship sounds about what I'd expect. You're 'close by'; you're 'connected'. But it's an unconventional, unique style of relating.

I can only hope I and mine will be so fortunate. I sense we will. That we'll always be connected - somehow, in some way.

Would you share your composite? I've got some theories, and I'd love to see if yours is either in line, or if I've got some stuff to learn there which this one will teach me.

Thanks so much for sharing. I really appreciate it!

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Yes, the sex is spectacular

I don't mind sharing the composite, but I'm not sure how much good it will do you, given that I can't get the Taurus Sun/Capricorn Moon guy to find his birth certificate, so angles and houses will be useless. I tried to rectify a bit, but I'm mostly ignorant of how to do that, and bad at it to boot. What asteroids do you want?

posted January 30, 2014 11:58 PM              

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
What is with this 27 degree sag and libra 2 stuff?
I have so much 27 degree sag going on in my chart so I'm curious

The galactic center?

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26-27 Sagittarius: Galactic centre yes (it moves slowly, actually at my birth it was at 26.30 Sag, nowadays it is 27 and something I think)

posted January 31, 2014 12:01 AM              

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Originally posted by lisalisa:
My North node conjunct his North node draconic

Significant? What would it mean?

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posted January 31, 2014 12:13 AM            

What do you think about this composite?
What type of relationship does this fit?

posted January 31, 2014 01:48 AM              

The three planes:
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tropical: the physical plane; present incarnation
Draco: emotional roots; past incarnations
helio: spiritual plane; either future incarnation, or operating out of the context of time

the helio is also said to relate to the Higher Self, and as twin flames have the same Higher Self , the helios are a MUST in twin flame relationships (if the helio indeed is indicative of our Higher Self at least).
As Draco`s are relating to the Moon and soul-connections, soulmates and Twinflame also MUST have strong Draco connections I guess.

*edit: actually Draconics are a blend of Sun and Moon, so there might be more purposedness to them that I thought in my initial musings.

(1) strong tropical, strong Draco and strong helio:
° twinflames
° probably ready for reunion on earth, as shown by the connections to tropical

(2) weak tropical, strong Draco and strong Helio
° possibly twinflames, who are not yet ready or missing opportunities to be reunited in this earthly incarnation, though their souls and spirits will resonate with each other still
(maybe these will bring the most pain)

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(3) strong tropical, strong Draco, weak helio
° probably no twinflames, as the spiritual or Higher Selves connection is weak
° soulmates with strong soulattachment plus shared past lives
° reconnecting to either solve unfinished karma (esp. if the Draconic aspects are challenging) or because the past shared joy drew them together again

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(4) strong tropical and strong helio, weak Draco

this one puzzles me a lot

° possibly spiritual guides for each other
° it could be that there is no emotional attachment, so they would not be soulmates; or it could be that it just means there has been no past life stuff at work
(it depends how we interprete the Draconics I guess. Is it JUST past life stuff, or is it also relating to a soul-connection?)

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(5) weak tropical, strong Draco, weak helio
° possibly soul- or karmamate with emotional attachment and shared past life experiences
° since the tropical is weak, maybe no reconnection in this life, or mit might indicate that they need to take a "break" from each other

(6) weak tropical, weak Draco, strong helio
° spiritual connection is present, but maybe more like a "background program"
° there seems to be a separation from each other on the physical plane

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(7) strong tropical, weak Draco, weak helio
° Earthmates
° neither soulmates nor twinflames
° probably the start of a new cycle with new souls, maybe even from other soulgroups

(8) weak tropical, weak, Draco, weak helio
° "soulstrangers"

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Of course we would have to define what "strong" and "weak" means (imo, "weak" is rather a lack of aspects than challenging ones).

posted January 31, 2014 03:07 AM              

The soulstrangers bit made me laugh lol.
But I agree with your writings. Very insightful

Briefly checking over my synastries:

With Scorpio:
very strong tropical, strong Draco, ok Helio

With Pisces:
weak tropical, strong Draco, ok Helio

With Virgo:
very strong tropical, EXTREMELY strong Draco, strong Helio
(Btw with Virgo, I noticed some of our major tropical aspects repeating in our Helios)

posted January 31, 2014 03:58 AM              

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Awesomely written Ceri!

The soulstrangers bit made me laugh lol.
But I agree with your writings. Very insightful

Briefly checking over my synastries:

With Scorpio:
very strong tropical, strong Draco, ok Helio

With Pisces:
weak tropical, strong Draco, ok Helio

With Virgo:
very strong tropical, EXTREMELY strong Draco, strong Helio
(Btw with Virgo, I noticed some of our major tropical aspects repeating in our Helios)

Makes a lot of sense to me in terms of the energies of the connections.

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@ Ceri - your method sounds super helpful. Should help people gain clarity and, as Lavender has done, compare one to another.

"Maybe we could work togehter and figure out what really constitutes a "strong" synastry (or composite/Davision)"

Yes, that sounds like a very good and necessary next step.

posted January 31, 2014 04:30 AM              

Meaning tigh conjunctions/ opposition running through helio, Draco, down to tropical, and in tropical probably the angles, Vertex, nodal axis need to be triggered, as these are the points where something manifests in the physical dimension.

However additionally there need to be planet and asteroid touching these levels, cause there needs to be something that can manifest. WHAT will manifest, is the question for me.

another thing I just noticed, and that is peculiar is, has to do with the helio Composite and helio Davison.

While the outer planets do not move far in helio, and Earth will be either conjunct or opposite in both, this is not true for the other planets, (Moon) Mercurfy, Venus, Mars and most asteroids can be on vastly different places.

As a matter of fact in my tropoical composite Venus is on 16 Capricorn, in tropical Davison on 11 Taurus.

However, in helio Davison Venus is on 13.27 Aquarius, in helio Composite Venus is on 13.25 Aquarius!
That is most intriguing and peculiar, not a usual occurrence at all.

Well helio Davison and composite Pluto being both on 13 Libra, is more common.
But then there is also in helio Davison Jupiter on 14 Gemini and in helio Composite Jupiter is on 11 Gemini.
Not as rare as the Venus-thing, but still quite peculiar.

It means that our Grand trine of Venus-pluto-Jupiter stays intact in both relationship charts in helio.

posted January 31, 2014 05:43 AM            

would this be considered a weak helio?

Synastry:

Composite:

posted January 31, 2014 05:54 AM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
I think soulmates are mirrors. They mirror each other and thus feel whole. But they are not complete wholes because they never learn about their shadow side.

For TF (or rather potential TFs),
they are 2 whole souls. Prior to meeting, they probably go through some form of personal spiritual growth on their own to learn to be comfortable as a whole.

Upon meeting each other, that's when they feel uncomfortable like something else is missing in their lives.

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this makes sense to me.

id honestly feel a little upset if someone described me as a soul-mate. because when i've heard others say it, it's to someone they are not attracted to but feel a strong almost familial bond.

if i've experienced TF it's like a familial bond but in a more distance sense, like back to a source. it's still primal and sparky with as you say all the shadow sides.

posted January 31, 2014 07:04 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
What I was thinking about, just as a preliminary thought, was that the channels between all levels/ dimensions need to be open.

Meaning tigh conjunctions/ opposition running through helio, Draco, down to tropical, and in tropical probably the angles, Vertex, nodal axis need to be triggered, as these are the points where something manifests in the physical dimension.

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posted January 31, 2014 07:22 AM              

By "strong" vs. "ok/neutral" Helio, I meant pretty much what Ceri described.

Strong Helio Synastry:
– Any placements and tight aspect patterns that are repeated through several chart methods: Helio–Helio synastry/composite/davison, and Helio–Tropical synastry/composite/davison.

Neutral Helio Synastry:
– No striking patterns apparent, conjunctions and oppositions may be present but might be in "floating air", as in they might not be tied so strongly into the other chart methods (composite, davison, tropical).

Ans as for a weak Helio,
You probably won't be able to find much at all in my opinion.
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Example of a Strong Helio synastry:
(with Virgo guy)

Helio Composite Earth-Moon: Pisces 8°30
Helio Composite Jupiter: Virgo 7°31

Tropical Composite Sun: Virgo 8°30
Tropical Composite Jupiter: Virgo 7°31

Tropical Davison Sun: Pisces 11°44
Tropical Davison Jupiter: Virgo 9°25

^The above touches our individual Tropicals as well:

My Tropical Sun: Virgo 8°17
My Tropical Saturn: Pisces 9°04

His Tropical Sun: Virgo 8°43
His Tropical Desc: Pisces 8°56

There were a lot more repetitive stuff I found as well, but this particular pattern stood out to me the most.

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Example of a Neutral Helio synastry:
(with Pisces guy)

• no repeating aspect patterns or placements present – other than outer planets, so it doesn't count.

Tight DW of Mercury–Jupiter conjunction in the Helio synastry.

His Helio Mercury conjunct my Tropical Pluto 3°
His Helio Jupiter conjunct my Tropical IC 0°
His Helio Venus opposite my Tropical Venus 2°

My Helio Venus conjunct his Tropical MC 1°

And that's pretty much it lol. Nothing else.
So as you can see with this example, there's not much happening – but its not completely bland either since there's some Helio–Tropical action going on, but its mostly from his side.

I think that would explain the unrequited feelings on my part as well, because its MY Tropical that is being triggered more so than his, so I was the one who was more aware of the energies involved.

posted January 31, 2014 08:12 AM              

You have to compare the Helios to the Tropicals as well in order to determine if they are strong or not.
Just checking Helio + Helio charts isn't enough imo.

posted January 31, 2014 09:01 AM            

1.Tropical
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I consider our tropical synastry pretty strong.
He first.

Sun square Uranus 0'05
Moon opposite Chiron 1'45
Mercury opposite Sun 2'36
Venus square Mars 0'27
Venus trine Pluto 2'01
Venus conjunct DSC 0'55
Mars trine Chiron 0'56
Jupiter square Mercury 1'40
Jupiter conjunct Neptune 0'44
Jupiter trine ASC 2'30
Saturn square Moon 2'12
Saturn conjunct Pluto 1'00
Uranus trine Moon 0'08
Uranus sextile Mercury 0'42
Uranus sextile Venus 0'52
Uranus opposite Mars 0'36
Uranus square ASC 0'08
NN conjunct MC 1'40
ASC square Mercury 1'25
ASC square Venus 2'59
DSC conjunct Neptune 0'29

In tropical composite we do have Moon-Pluto conjunction, Venus-Uranus conjunction and Sun-Neptune conjunction.

What stands out this far is composite Sun 12'39 Capricorn that conjuncts his natal Jupiter at 11'09, natal DSC at 11'25 and my natal Neptune at 11'54. This turns out an interesting place for us in Draco as well, compared to what transit Pluto is going to do in months to come.
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2. Draconic

Not so strong on its own (i mean aspects between draconic planets), but i would however consider it pretty strong in terms of connections to tropical planets!

Aspects draco/draco are following (all under 3, most of them 0-1'30):

Venus square Jupiter
Jupiter trine Uranus
Saturn square Mercury
Saturn opposite Neptune
Uranus conjunct Jupiter
Chiron opposite Chiron
ASC square MC

But it becomes more interesting when we throw in comparison to natals.

As i said, in our tropical composite we have a Moon-Pluto conjunction, and in draco-natal synastry, his Moon conjuncts my natal Pluto...

His Dr.Moon conjunct My N.Pluto
His Dr.Mercury opposite My N.Moon, conjunct Our tropical composite (Tr.C.) DSC
His Dr.Venus conjunct my N.Uranus exact (this turns out huge, as it can be seen later)
His Dr.Neptune conjunct my N.Sun

His N.Uranus conjunct My Dr.Sun
His N.Sun opposite My Dr.Moon
His N.SN conjunct My Dr.Mercury
His N.SN conjunct My Dr.Venus
His N.Uranus conjunct My Dr.Venus (!!^^)
His N.Sun opposite My Dr.Jupiter exact
His N.Venus conjunct My Dr.Saturn, conjunct My N.DSC exact
His N.Jupiter conjunct my Dr.Pluto
His N.DSC conjunct my Dr.Pluto !!!!!!!

So when i throw in draconic composite, it all turns out even more dramatic.

Dr.C.Sun is exactly on His Dr.Venus, exactly on my N.Uranus, 1 degree off of our Tr.C.Neptune, exactly squaring His N.Sun.

Dr.C.Mercury conjunct Our Tr.C.Sun, conjunct My Dr.Pluto (!!!), conjunct My N.Neptune, conjunct His N.Jupiter, conjunct His N.DSC, and finally - almost conjunct currently transiting Pluto. What are the odds???

Dr.C. Mars conjunct His N.MC exact

Dr.C. Jupiter conjunct My N.Sun exact, conjunct our Tr.C.IC exact

Dr.C.Saturn conjunct His N.NN exact

Dr.C. Neptune conjunct Our Tr.C.Venus exact, conjunct His N.Neptune exact

So far it's really interesting for me, as Capricorn 12 seems to be really significant for us. I am going to be annoying and tell that this degree has been following me. When i had a dream of my future daughter, it was even before i met this man. In this dream she said that she is coming in 3rd of January, yet didn't tell the year. Nevertheless, when i started making charts with that date, 3 January is Sun exactly on that point - Capricorn 12!!!

Speaking of past lives, this is the man who i remember being my husband in my past life. I have the charts of those persons, the charts are confirmed - they really were living persons. And the most striking fact was that they had THEIR composite Sun on Capricorn 11! As if in this life we have been moved forward and got Capricorn 12 instead! Mind-blowing!

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3. Helio

Again, not so much in aspects themselves.

His Earth conjunct my Venus
His Mercury square my Mercury
His Mars square my Jupiter
His Saturn opposite my Mars
His Pluto square my Jupiter
His Venus square my Pluto

But in terms of cross-aspects there is something.

My H.Venus opposite his N.Sun exact
My H.Mars conjunct Our Tr.C. Pluto exact

His H.Sun conjunct His Dr.Uranus, conjunct my Dr.Jupiter, opposite His N.Sun

His H.Venus opposite My N.Moon, conjunct Our Tr.C.DSC

His H.Jupiter conjunct Our Tr.C. Venus, conjunct His N.Neptune

His H.Uranus conjunct My Dr.Venus, conjunct His N.SN.

And as for Helio composite,

H.C. Earth conjunct His N.ASC
H.C.Mercury conjunct My N.Moon, conjunct My N.Jupiter, conjunct Our Tr.C.ASC, opposite His H.Venus

H.C.Venus conjunct My Dr.Venus, conjunct His. N.Uranus

H.C. Mars conjunct my N.SN

H.C. Jupiter conjunct my N.Venus

So this is it.
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posted January 31, 2014 09:09 AM            

Her Dr. Moon conjunct His N.DSC exact

His Dr.Moon conjunct My N.DSC exact

posted January 31, 2014 09:28 AM            

Their Helio C.Venus is 5'10 Capricorn. Which is exactly conjunct my N.Uranus, exactly conjunct His Dr.Venus, exactly conjunct Our Dr.Sun, exactly square Their Dr.Sun.

Their Helio C.Jupiter tightly conjuncts My Dr.Jupiter, His Dr.Uranus, squares our Dr.C.Sun, conjunct Their Dr.C.Sun, opposes His N.Sun.

posted January 31, 2014 09:44 AM            

In the composites:
1. We have moon square jupiter in both Helio and Trop.
2. We have merc/mars in harmonious aspect in all 3 Helio,Tropical and Davidson
3. We have sun conjunct moon in all 3 composites (in Helio it's earth conjunct moon)

Now for the synastry between Helio and Tropical:
1.Both have sun trine moon/ earth trine moon with DW's
2. Both have sun square Saturn/ earth square Saturn
3. Both have sun trine sun/ earth trine sun
4. Both have moon/merc harmonious aspects
5. Both have moon/mars
6. Both have moon/Saturn with DW's
7. Both have merc/mars with DW's
8. Both have merc/jupiter with DW's
9. Both have earth/venus and sun/venus
10. Both have venus/venus
11. Both have jupiter/saturn

Is this considered strong? What else specifically should I look for?

posted January 31, 2014 10:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Lunae,

You have to compare the Helios to the Tropicals as well in order to determine if they are strong or not.
Just checking Helio + Helio charts isn't enough imo.

Can you post your natals, composite and davison charts too please?

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Ah, I see. Thank you for the insight. I've only touched the Heliocetric charts now that you guys mentioned it. I've read somewhere that not only these charts would represent our higher selves but also our "shadow side".

Here are the charts:

Natal:

Mine

His

Composite:

Davidson:

posted January 31, 2014 10:19 AM              

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Originally posted by tgem:

@Lavendar- I should also mention Virgo and Pisces are strong in our composites, like yours.
Helio composite: earth/moon conjunct in Virgo
Tropical composite: sun/moon conjunct in Pisces
Davidson composite: sun, moon, mercury stellium in Virgo

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Just to mention, earth-moon is always conjunct in the Helio charts.
Its called the Earth-Moon complex.
Its like that for everyone.

And another thing,
I personally think that only conjuntions/oppositions might be valid when working with the Helios...
Not sure why but I don't feel too comfortable including squares and any other aspects.
Same thing for the Dracos, I only use conj/opp for them.

posted January 31, 2014 10:23 AM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
This is the first time I've checked Helio charts and I've never worked with them so bear with me. I don't know how strong these indicators are so maybe someone could help me out:

In the composites:
1. We have moon square jupiter in both Helio and Trop.
2. We have merc/mars in harmonious aspect in all 3 Helio,Tropical and Davidson
3. We have sun conjunct moon in all 3 composites (in Helio it's earth conjunct moon)

Now for the synastry between Helio and Tropical:
1.Both have sun trine moon/ earth trine moon with DW's
2. Both have sun square Saturn/ earth square Saturn
3. Both have sun trine sun/ earth trine sun
4. Both have moon/merc harmonious aspects
5. Both have moon/mars
6. Both have moon/Saturn with DW's
7. Both have merc/mars with DW's
8. Both have merc/jupiter with DW's
9. Both have earth/venus and sun/venus
10. Both have venus/venus
11. Both have jupiter/saturn

Is this considered strong? What else specifically should I look for?

@Lavendar- I should also mention Virgo and Pisces are strong in our composites, like yours.
Helio composite: earth/moon conjunct in Virgo
Tropical composite: sun/moon conjunct in Pisces
Davidson composite: sun, moon, mercury stellium in Virgo

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Keep in mind though, that in the helio perspective the Earth and Moon are ALWAYS one complex, only a few minutes apart from each other. So they are always conjunct.

Also, Earth-Moon-complex is always opposite tropical Sun.

posted January 31, 2014 10:30 AM              

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Just to mention, earth-moon is always conjunct in the Helio charts.
Its called the Earth-Moon complex.
Its like that for everyone.

And another thing,
I personally think that only conjuntions/oppositions might be valid when working with the Helios...
Not sure why but I don't feel too comfortable including squares and any other aspects.
Same thing for the Dracos, I only use conj/opp for them.

I think, that because they are a more inner, deeper layer, they would need more direct channels (conjunction/opposition) to really be felt consciously.

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I did not see you explained the Earth/Moon-complex-thing already.

As for the other iHave to disagree - slightly.

Aspects WITHIN these zodiacs are very valid, just like in tropical (though I ALWAYS see the conjunction and maybe opposition as the starting point/ focus and anchor of any interpretation and take it from there).

However, if we are talkinga bout the "bridging aspects", the portals that are letting energy flow through the channels/ dimensions of helio, Draco and tropical, I would only consider conjunction and opposition as well.
And only really tight ones actually.

Especially in case of twinflames.

Another thing that I find very intriguing is, if a certain theme is being resonating through the different zodiacs, in this case I might be inclined to take it into consideration even if it is not strictly in 2 degree orb (or 3 degree orb).

However, probably the zodiac where the aspect is the tightest, would be the one where it is mainly experienced. (though for natal charts there is no real difference between tropical and Draco, because the same aspect-gestalt is maintained, however the helio can be very different).

I find it interesting that I have in tropical an exact Isis-Osiris-conjunction with Spirit 3 degrees apart from that.

In helio this triple conjunction stays basically intact, but the emphasis is more on the feminine principle, as helio Isis and helio Spirit are partile conjunct on 14 Capricorn with helio Osiris being on 12 Capricorn.