posted January 31, 2014 11:09 AM              

What really stood out to me was this:

Both the Helio Composite and Helio Davison Venus conjuncts your Asc exact, and its on the Gal. Center!

posted January 31, 2014 11:15 AM            

Other than that though, I'm guessing the Helio charts are not that strong.

In the Draco/Tropical, venus is the most aspected planet in both our charts. I'd say we have a strong Draconic.

posted January 31, 2014 11:57 AM            

As Neptune can take years to transit a point, this can lend itself to a great many aspects that might indicate soulmate/TF...but I am afraid it would be misleading...

Now this person is on whst Linda would have called a fast-track of karmic growth and a few years ago met a man who was definitely a soulmate (not in a good way but that's a long story). They met, and nothing would keep them apart but due to the nature of His karma, it was a very dangerous liaison. They moved in together and after a very intense 8 months, he was shot dead in front of her on his birthday.

As Pluto transitted within orb of conjuncting her Neptune/SN!

posted January 31, 2014 12:00 PM            

Do we assume that all those people incarnated with a similar purpose, or that they will all meet their soulmates/TF?

posted January 31, 2014 12:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Indigo,

your mentioning of your parents made me think of mine. I do not know if they are twinflames obviously, or soulmates or whatever, but it seems they were meant to be together or at least meet each other.

...

Just makes me think there was some kind of plan behind them getting together, going beyond just becoming romantically involved.

But without their romantic involvement, that would not have happened, probably.

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Ceri, thank you for filling in so many wonderful details about your parents. That is an amazing story! I'd say there's definitely a sort of 'plan' there, and they executed it beautifully. I'm sure you're so proud. Wow. Romantic love can most certainly be a glue for doing those important things, I agree. But I feel that's the purpose it serves.

I'm still digesting a lot over here. Had to take a day to recollect my thoughts. I was beginning to lose my composure yesterday, and I'm working to avoid that.

posted January 31, 2014 12:17 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
I think soulmates are mirrors. They mirror each other and thus feel whole. But they are not complete wholes because they never learn about their shadow side.

For TF (or rather potential TFs),
they are 2 whole souls. Prior to meeting, they probably go through some form of personal spiritual growth on their own to learn to be comfortable as a whole.

Upon meeting each other, that's when they feel uncomfortable like something else is missing in their lives.

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I feel that's backwards.

In my experience, I've seen the opposite to be more true. Soulmates can be anything from complementary to similar in nature; it depends upon the particular lessons which must be learnt.

Twinflames, on the other hand, create that sense of wholeness or oneness in each other on a basic, soul-level. There's a definite sense of completion going on.

posted January 31, 2014 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
^^ my natal is balanced in both element and modality.

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posted January 31, 2014 12:33 PM              

And I agree with you that not everyone who has planets on the Gal. Center would automatically be a twinflame.
Its just one of the many possible factors in potential TF's charts.
I'm still trying to figure this out.

This is because the Galactic Center is a very intense and devine energy.

posted January 31, 2014 12:37 PM              

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Originally posted by Catalina:

Do we assume that all those people incarnated with a similar purpose, or that they will all meet their soulmates/TF?

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No, not neccessarily.

posted January 31, 2014 12:59 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
^^ I'd like to concur with your agreements on the fact that TF's won't cheat with spouses to be together- there is too much unconditional love etc. etc. HOWEVER it is my strong belief that TF's can also show up when a marriage is already collapsing. When one meets their TF, their entire mindset, logic, beliefs all change. They are forced to look deep within themselves and learn to discover who they really are (their true selves.). Therefore upon such an extraordinary bond/experience with the TF meeting, they ultimately feel they are not being true to themselves or their current partner, which ultimately can lead to a separation. The TF's would never say, "I'm leaving my spouse and family for you," no then I wouldn't consider it a TF relationship either.

However they can act as a catalyst to bring about issues with your own self and can also allow the other partner to move on from the current relationship and find their next one they are meant to be with.

I feel this is exactly what happened to me. Some people on this forum say we are not TF's because of the way our personal story went down. However, in my particular case, there was a recognizing, a deep inner soul-searching and thus life transformation. I should make it clear that even though we both felt the connection/significance, I am not married but he still is. I have not interfered with that marriage at all, although I know, we keep tabs on each other. I believe I have awakened and he hasn't. Which is common the females awaken first. Therefore I just give it time and hope. I know all will work itself out it time. I feel the article link below explains perfectly what exactly happened in my particular case "when married TF's meet."
http://www.harusami.com/soul2soul/twins/tie_link.htm

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I'd love to better understand the reason for this. It seems fairly common.

In the series, we actually had them meet when one went to speak at the funeral of the other's late fiancé. He was on the way to his complex when the plane crashed, and thus, he feels responsible somehow. (That's the 'public story', at least.) Instead, he's overwhelmed by the sense of recognition in the woman who was his fiancée. It's rather overwhelming for both of them, and so neither really acknowledge it. Instead, (since she's a physicist), he offers her a position at one of the tech companies he owns. She never considered leaving Oxford, but at this opportunity in California, does. It would be another decade before they'd see each other again, however. She's been made redundant in her position and instead is hired to the main complex. In the CEO's office. As his assistant. Times are tough, (2008), and she figures, it's a job. And they make it quite worth her while, salary-wise.

He sees her, one random Monday morning, rising from what's now her desk, to hand him a cup of coffee and paperwork for something. (He despises paperwork. Never does it. Ever.) He blinks at her, looks at the oversize mug he has in his other hand, then back at her: 'what are you doing here?' Surprised, but not exactly happy.

In that decade, he's learnt to at least try and deal with the way she affected him at first brush. As usual, he runs from his feelings and anyone else. He's a loner; that's just his thing. Nobody had made him feel like that - or even really feel at all. He's a one-night-stands, and no-real-friends kinda guy. (His mentor is a crotchety Gregory House-type, so, no love there.)

So, without her realising it, she's just unintentionally wrecked his entire life. She kind of knows it, too.

She shows him the paperwork; he raises a dismissive hand. 'I don't do paperwork.' Then he takes a sip of his coffee and disappears into his office, closing the door behind him. She's left a little stunned, and very offended. She makes to give him an earful regarding his horrible manners - and he won't open the door. Instead she hears a buzz from the desk. 'Hold all my calls.'

This was officially his means of accepting her as his assistant.

The relationship with my Twinflame, while clearly different, has carried this tone throughout.

We wrote that together, entirely improvisationally, in 2006, at the beginning of my second biggest project, the one I've since shelved for ... reasons ... and to return to completing the one that came a decade before it.

I can concur, mightily, with the statement that they return us to our true selves. He certainly did me. He, on the other hand, couldn't take it, and the character he created was a perfect, almost too obvious representation of that.

At the time, we'd had no idea what we were writing was a 'reunifying of many Twinflames' story, or that I'd stumble into so many others - like Mel and Nichole. All we knew was that we loved each other more than anything, and for many separate reasons, would never be able to make it work.

So, 2012, we began to throw ourselves into developing the story into a TV series. The feelings were too strong - ARE too strong. Like Lane and his avoidance, he takes the 'I'm sorry, were you talking? I'm not listening,' cutting, brutal, snarky approach. I finally begun to take the, 'you can't do that to me!' stance, and in his rare moments of clarity he'd admit that the thought of losing me is greater than the potential joy of having any time together at all.

Lane did, after all, suddenly realise the intense love he always felt for Fiona only after he'd failed to protect her, and she lay dying.

Oops! Spoiler.

Well, kinda. 😉

I remember thinking then that this man had something deeply locked away and buried that he wouldn't allow anyone to know or see. It inspired me to try. That was 2007.

We have an exact conjunction of SHERLOCK (5049) and IRENEADLER (46722), for those who know the story. On my MOON-URANUS and his SATURN-KARMA-SNODE. Scorpio.

I never pushed THAT hard, but there were times I did. Times I tried to make up for his dooming us both to the perpetual inbetween. So that his fears would realise what he most hated: being alone.

Anyway. It's a LONG story.

An interesting highlight was when we 'met' for the 'first time' as I was passing through his city with my husband and stepdaughter. It was only 2 hours, but for us, it both felt like many more - and not at all. He'd later confess that seeing me for only 2 hours was worse, so we haven't. That was 2012. January. The beginning of the year we REALLY tried to make it work, and both failed.

While there at dinner, I suddenly had the thought, and said aloud, 'this place is amazing. I'm so glad we can come back tomorrow.'

And I saw it. In my mind's eye. It was around 2PM, lunch time, and he was wearing his usual blazer with a different shirt. I was in my 'If you don't think, you shouldn't talk,' Mad Hatter's tea party baby-tee. Not what either of us were wearing then.

He followed along, 'yeah, there's a really great chicken curry that I thought is amazing, but not AS amazing as the thing you got right now.' (It was an Indian restaurant. We'd accidentally pose before a tapestry of Shiva and Shakti before leaving.)

Then it hit him. It was already hitting me. 'Oh, you're not going to be here.' He laughed, but it was mirthless.

For a second there, we were flat somewhere else. On another timeline. A different eigenstate.

That's happened before with us, too. I wouldn't know it until another year had passed, though. The first time we failed to meet. In 2008.

Anyhow. I really, really digress.

I did rediscover my true self, and it changed my life. But it's been too hard for him to do the same. He's angry with himself but also me. For the whole thing. For my existing, and not being with him, even though he never truly gave me a chance to.

posted January 31, 2014 01:07 PM              

In this day and age the midpoint of the SGC and GC is nearing 15 Scorpio.

I read that the mid degrees of the fixed signs are often associated with Atlantis.

However that is not all, the 15 Scorpio-Taurus axis was where our kind of astrology originated from!
At least when we trace it back to Babylon. Back then the Antares-Aldebaran-axis was on 15 Scorpio-Taurus. Since these are not only bright fixedstars, but they are also opposite and therefore can serve as an axis, this axis became the frame of reference for the Babylonian astrologers.

I also became aware that the SGC and GC are so close to the 00 degrees cardinal, which are solstice points.

Everytime you and someone else have the same planets in exact antiscion/ contrascion of each other, it will turn up on these points, and near the SGC and GC.

I realized that a few years ago when noticing that in Jude Law`s and my chart composite Atlantis is on 00 Libra. It was too exact on that point to not take notice.

I then realized our Atlantis positions are in exact antiscion of each other.

My Atlantis is on 8.15 Sag, and has its solstice on 21.45 Cancer

his Atlantis is on 21.48 Cancer and its solstice on 8°12 Sagittarius.

the composite Atlantis comes up on 00°01 Libra.

Our ASC`s and Vertices are kinda mixed into that as well, though not affiliated with the Aries point.

his ASC is on 9.15 Sag, with antiscion on 20.45 Cancer.

my ASC is on 7.01 SAg, with antiscion on 22.59 Cancer.

Our nodal axis is a bit wide in orb.
His NN on 16.51 Cap, with antiscion on 13.09 Sag (or Gemini)
my NN on 10.10 Sag with antiscion on 19.50 Cap.

Therefore the nodal axis doe snot quite make it to the Aries point, but instead rests on 28.30 SAgittarius.

Similiar with our sets of Suns, composite Sun on 1.47 Cap, sets of Saturns, composite Saturn 1.14 Cancer.

This will be the case for all planets which are equidistant from either 00 Cancer-Capricorn or 99 Aries - Libra.
And it is worth to look out for it when seing that a composite has planets on these points (this is not true for Davison btw).

It also means that the DRaconic composite will highlight a particular type of aspects (depending what aspect, if any, your nodal axis makes to 00 Aries, which means that this happens when the composite nodes are close to 00 degrees of any sign, as the DRaconic is always calculated in relation to 00 ARies.

In our case with composite NN on 28 Sagittarius it is highlighting all squares with a 2 degree orb especially.

Example:

Composite DRaco to tropical Draco

- Dr ASC and Dr Neptune conjunct our two names in composite 8they are conjunct, yes, and actually our family names are part of it, as well, though my family name is sextile, but falls onto my natal Venus and his natal Sun - let us rather not think about it)

- Dr Sun conjunct IC and Osiris

- Dr Moon-Mercury-Venus-Siva conjunct Kaali

- Dr Saturn conjunct MC and Pluto

- Dr saturn conjunct Atlantis (with Dr Saturn being exactly on 2 Libra)

- Dr Vertex conjunct Isis

- Dr Kaali conjunct Venus and NN

- Dr Kaali conjunct Siva on 27 Sagittarius exact

- Draco Atlantis falls onto my natal "trauma-conjunction" on 1 Capricorn, well there are some good ones there as well, Stonehenge, Boda, Vesta, Knight, bu the Sabian is a traumatic one. Anyway, actually his Adam is there conjunct my Eva under one degree

- for the composite however
- Draco Atlantis conjunct Sun (and HOrus) exact and opposes Saturn exact

If I ever wondered where we messed up so badly to deserve an exact Sun-Saturn-opposition on the aries points, and if I hadn´t had that life-between-lives-dream some years ago, well THIS configurations would have cleared up matters without the shadow of a doubt. lol

- BTW Draco Pluto on DRaco MC on 8 Cap opposing Draco Osiris on 7 Cancer on the IC, definitely brings to mind

not only our tropical composite Union on 6 Cap, but also

his Sun on 7 Cap, my Venus on 6 Cap, my Osiris on 7 Cap and my Isis on 8 Cap, along with his Valentine on 6 Cancer and even his Osiris on 4 Cancer, though this might be a tad wide

I guess the occasions where we could have messed up are pretty much infinite. lol

Is this strong? Is this weak?
I dont know.

posted January 31, 2014 01:27 PM              

- Dr ASC not triggering anything in composite, however it DOES Trigger his natal ARthur and my natal Guinevere-Spirit (and when we met Tr Karma was on the DR ASC, but this one is the same as normal Davision DESC, so who knows what it was?)

- Dr Saturn conjunct ASC on 1 Aquarius exact

- Dr Vertex conjunct ASC with 3 degrees

- Dr Pluto-Atlantis conjunct Isis- Ceres

- Dr Uranus conjunct Mars-NN-Amor-Cupido

- Dr Jupiter conjunct Juno

- Dr Mercury - Neptune conjunct Juno and opposite Valentine-Lust

- Dr Venus opposite Sun on GC

posted January 31, 2014 01:35 PM            

:basks:

Okay. We're good.

😉

But the more I read about the GC, it seemed it MUST be connected somehow. At least one of you.

If my theory is sound, it'd be one partner bringing in the GC, the other the SGC, and the composite showing some sort of balancing point ... which I've yet to find.

I know many have natals with both, and that's intriguing to me, and warrants further study.

But 27.5-28.0° SAG is popping up all over 'the network': my Twin's SUN, my stepdaughter's NNODE, one of my soul sister's NEPTUNE - and that's at first glance.

posted January 31, 2014 01:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
"However, in my particular case, there was a recognizing, a deep inner soul-searching and thus life transformation."

Yup. That was general theme happening with me too.
Recognition, then soul searching, then the continuos, ongoing transformation.

I wonder if this can be seen in the synastry charts too...
What aspects do you think might explain this?
Pluto perhaps? 8th house/8th house ruler aspects?

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Correct me, Crystal, but isn't it true that you two have yet to physically meet? If that's the case, how did the recognition take place?

posted January 31, 2014 01:46 PM              

But at my birth GC was at 26.30 Sagittarius.

Still the 27-28 Sag DO turn up as well.

As for the balancing point, I would keep an eye on 15 Scorpio-Taurus (maybe also Aquarius-Leo).
it is not ripe for conclusions yet, but midpoints tend to concentrate the energy of both points in the midpoints. Just imagine how powerful it would be with the SGC and GC.

The only thng I am yet not certain about, if it is valid and applicable checking the midpoint of two black holes. But it is worth a try.

I admit though I am kind afond of it, having my Moon at 17 Aquarius, my name asteroid at 16 Taurus, and a HUGE stellium at 15 Scorpio including Siva, London, Moira, Lancelot, Walpurga, Orpheus or Eurydike - I always forget which one- and so on.

And of course it is important as in the Davison and the composite Mr Sag`s and my IC is at 16 Taurus. In composite it is joined by Eros, Priapus and Dionysos at least.

So it might just be a personal hting.

Last time I spoke to him, and this was a spur-of-the-moment decision again- the ecclipse before had been hitting our composite Uranus on 12 Scorpio, and that night the exact Tr Saturn-Karma was on 16 Scorpio.

posted January 31, 2014 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
I think asteroid Pholus might play a role too.
Its known to be responsible for being a catalyst for huge change.
Sort of like the Vertex, its like a turning point.

My Pholus is conjunct our Suns and his Asc, all exact.
His Pholus opposes my Vertex 2°

Do you any of you have it prominent in your synastries?

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Lemme check. I've got a PHOLUS-CHIRON link with my costar, and, if I recall, PHOLUS-SNODE, too. But I've not checked my Twin.

:thinks:

posted January 31, 2014 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
In esoteric astrology Uranus rules libra.

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posted January 31, 2014 01:52 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Huh. I think I kind of get that. It makes much more sense with Aquarius, though. Why Libra? Do you know? Is it the impartiality?

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I think because Alice Bailey said so.

Which is one of the reasons I am not yet really buying it, I just like a good logical reasoning, ou know?

However, Tobey also was counting the houses backwards, beginning with 00 Leo, which he said should be the beginning, as the Sun is the centre of our solar system, and if you go round the house-circle you end up at Libra and the 11th house.
I DO have a bit of a problem seeing Aquarius as indicative of 7th house though. But I think he stated that the 7th house is a house of EQUAL partnering, and thus Aquarius makes sense.

I know IQ really believed in this, at least for a while. I do not know if he uses it still.

I actually am too fond of the usual to switch.

posted January 31, 2014 01:55 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Hang on, I saw 'IndigoDirae was right,' so I have to bask in this moment before returning to what I was catching up on.

:basks:

Okay. We're good.

😉

But the more I read about the GC, it seemed it MUST be connected somehow. At least one of you.

If my theory is sound, it'd be one partner bringing in the GC, the other the SGC, and the composite showing some sort of balancing point ... which I've yet to find.

I know many have natals with both, and that's intriguing to me, and warrants further study.

But 27.5-28.0° SAG is popping up all over 'the network': my Twin's SUN, my stepdaughter's NNODE, one of my soul sister's NEPTUNE - and that's at first glance.

Twinflames and their 'partners' and 'collaborators' - their 'network', I would think would have to be harnessing some of the GC.

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Hmm interesting theory Indigo...

Now that you mentioned it, I went back to check the SGC in our charts.

He has:
Juno on 2° Libra exact, and Mercury on 5° Libra.
He doesn't have any personal objects on or near the GC.

I have:
Vertex on 25° Sag and no objects on or near the SGC