posted March 14, 2014 03:15 PM              

Uranus:
15.22 Pisces - 22 Pisces (stationary and retro then) 19.12 Pisces

Neptune:
20.15 Aquarius -24 Aquarius (retro) - 22.24 Aquarius

Pluto:
29.08 Sagittarius - 1 Cap (retro) - 1.13 Capricorn

NN:
29.04 Aquarius - 09.25 Aquarius

posted March 14, 2014 05:02 PM              

It is an "event - chart", sort of.

What impression do you get?

posted March 14, 2014 05:58 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
what do you say to this chart?

It is an "event - chart", sort of.

What impression do you get?

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I am not very well versed in interpreting even charts but I will give it a shot.

Spirit and Kaali are conjunct the Asc, squaring Lust and Chiron.
So I'm guessing this event will have be very intense and powerful in terms of "soul-business" lol, if you get my drift.
It would be a mixture of soft vulnerability and nakedness of the soul (Chiron in Pisces in 4th), combined with some intense, expansive, and (spiritually) sexual energy (Kaali conjunct Spirit on Asc in Sag), with a touch of pure desire (Lust in Virgo).

Jupiter on the Desc in Gemini would give it a lovely, joyous, high-energy, up-beat and playful vibe.

Moon square Neptune would give an added fantasy-like, soulful energy.
Though there may be some confusion/unclarity regarding the emotional atmosphere of the event?

The Sun-Mars-Valentine-Destinn-Union-Venus stellium in the 5th is just BEAUTIFUL!!!

Vertex squaring that stellium tightly just makes it even more significant!
This event was fated for sure and it will likely be life changing as well...
And it being in the 8th house could very well explain the nature of that "turning point"

Pluto square Proserpina on the MC, opposing Amor - Simply stunning!! –despite it being harsh aspects lol.
But I guess they emphasizes the intensity and dynamic energy of the event!

posted March 14, 2014 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I notice that three of us have ALMA conjunct JUNO in some variation of a relationship chart.

Michelle and Jace:

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(Juno being on the degree that is a veiled reference to twinflames)

What is the degree that is reference to TF's?

Tropical synastry:
My Juno Aqu 6' 50
His Alma Sag 8'48

Helio synastry:
My Juno Cap 17'5
His Alma Sco 22'19

posted March 14, 2014 06:40 PM            

It should prove interesting to you, too, with the nodal axis transiting that spot in the current timeframe.

I also noticed that in Mr Sag´s and my composite there is a very close Pluto-Atlantis-conjunction, though ours is earlier in Libra, mid degrees, and in 8th house (9th if we use equal). Ours is not tied to Saturn, though it squares Venus-Proserpina in 12th house."

@Ceri and Indigo:
In regards to Atlantis and Pluto/Saturn

Our tropical synastry:
My Atlantis Sag 13'38
His Pluto Lib 14'11

Our Helio composite:
Atlantis Lib 16'42
Pluto Lib 13'55

Draco synastry:
My Saturn Aqu 18'35
His Atlantis Aqu 16'54

posted March 14, 2014 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
what do you say to this chart?

It is an "event - chart", sort of.

What impression do you get?

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I love:

• 11° SAG rising. (Duh. ;p)

• 1H SPIRIT-KAALI trine 4H AMOR. (While not exactly angular, the closeness to the 5C feels more fitting.)

I adore:

• 5H DESTINN-VALENTINE-SUN-MARS. I mean, wow.

The fact that MARS is involved seems more to denote action rather than friction, in my view.

That DESTINN's 1° orb conjunct SUN-MARS sells it for me. And in ARIES? Hello! That's got some movement to it.

• UNION-VENUS? Kissing the 6C, but still 5H. The degree seems significant. Late. Like we're rounding something up.

That the stellium is occurring in 5H from 22° to 28° ARIES, really, since the SUN is there, all conjunct, is VERY eye-catching.

This means the MP between them are ALL conjunct one another, more or less. For example:

SUN = VALENTINE / DESTINN

I mean, DESTINN is perfectly placed.

DESTINN = SUN / VENUS
DESTINN = MARS / UNION
DESTINN = MARS / VENUS
DESTINN = VALENTINE / VENUS

It's :jaw-drop:'ing.

PLUS ... it's ALL beautifully trine that 25° LEO ANGEL from the 9H.

This is an elevated, beautiful, romantic energy. Wow!

Okay. Where's CAMELOT, ARTHUR, GUINEVERE abs LANCELOT in all this?

Seriously!

There's just one thing that gets me.

6H GEM MOON.

It seems rather prosaic for such a dramatic, theatrical, ardent, passionate configuration. I like how it's exactly trine NEPTUNE, even if it's 3H. That can be a very soulful conversation.

It's the fact it's just so ... uninvolved. It's also so close to being conjunct JUPITER, but just missing it. Like it's trying to be SOMETHING, but can't commit to anything here - except the NEPTUNE trine. It's a start! But, c'mon. It's NEPTUNE. That's very, well, variable.

It's disposited by 29° PISCES MERCURY in the 4H, but not on the IC.

I find this interesting.

It's only real aspect is that NEPTUNE trine, in an Air sign AND house (so, all intellect and concept here), but its dispositor is none other than PISCES MERC.

See where I'm going?

It's not coincidence it's a GEMINI MOON, in VIRGO's natural house, trine only NEPTUNE in GEMINI's natural house, and disposited by MERCURY (which RULES both) IN PISCES.

Hmmmm. Emotion or intellect. Logic or passion. Feel it, or think it. Head or heart ... which will it be?

That degree isn't whistling Dixie, either. 29°? Either way, we're approaching an 'end-game' of sorts here. But being SO near-to 00° ARIES? This is a major changeover.

As the Aries Point is such a potent, public, 'notice me!' degree signifying new beginnings, this Watery MERC is just on the edge of stepping into not just the light, but the spotlight.

The trick is to tap into the passionate, Fiery ARIES smorgasbord. The wondrous blend of ARIES and LEO. (And, since MARS is part of it, it's a loop. That energy is all self-contained, and HUMMING with possibility to the point you can almost hear it.

How?

I think the answer lies in 25° CANCER VERTEX.

Thankfully, its dispositor is the MOON. There's a direct, though unconscious relationship. The MOON can draw from this point which is exactly opposing the heart of the ARIES stellium.

But, oh, dear. It's 8H. And, as expected, the MOON is 8R. The road to redemption, so to speak, is not smooth and unblocked. This vacillating, wavering, 'A or B?' is at the heart of the vulnerability quandary.

And it IS that, most definitely.

But, again, VERTEX, gateway to the unknown, championed by the Fates themselves, is energetically - and powerfully - linked to the ARIES stellium. In this way, the 8H leads to the 5H. Backwards-seeming, no?

Fortunately, the degree here is now 25° CANCER, not 04° GEMINI. It's getting a gentle nudge from 25° LEO ANGEL which is in perfect harmony with the 5H stellium.

It's all right there, Ceri.

Trust in the forces beyond our understanding, our comprehension, reach, and control. Let the beauty of that unknown overtake you; give in to the deepest yearnings of the heart; the stirrings of the soul.

That way, lies a sort of romantic paradise charted and blessed by those very same forces.

To try and control it, to refuse surrender, to analyse, debate, and reason, will allow you to drift, and wander, your own peaceful mental maze. Instead, break the solitary pattern by tapping into the greatness within your grasp - by nothing more than trusting yourself to it.

posted March 15, 2014 10:11 AM            

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Yes, Alma/Juno continues to be present:
Helio Davison:
Juno Sag 9'39
Alma Cap 11'11
1.5 degree semi-sextile

Tropical Davison:
Juno Sco 23'28
Alma Sag 20'57
2.5 semi-sextile

Helio composite:
Juno Sag 11'26
Alma Cap 7'41
Very wide semi-sextile at 4 degrees

Tropical composite:
Juno Sag 29'20
Alma Cap 24'56
Very wide semi-sextile at 4 degrees

posted March 15, 2014 10:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL Mr SAg`s Union

29° LIB 28`

Maybe THEY are the soulmates.

My own unionis at 29.50 Libra

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posted March 15, 2014 10:34 AM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
Yes, Alma/Juno continues to be present:
Helio Davison:
Juno Sag 9'39
Alma Cap 11'11
1.5 degree semi-sextile

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This seems to be strongest, though it doesn`t quite fit the pattern.

posted March 15, 2014 10:37 AM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
Cusp's Trop NN is conjunct my name asteroid at 29.19 Libra

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posted March 15, 2014 10:38 AM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
Our birth info?

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posted March 15, 2014 10:39 AM              

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Originally posted by tgem:
Ceri is it a first meeting chart? I

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Hmm, how to answer that question?

posted March 15, 2014 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
This seems to be strongest, though it doesn`t quite fit the pattern.

There are the odd exceptions to this pattern though. Can you give me your data?

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Well don't forget we also have a 2 degree sextile in our tropical synastry..I would think the 2 degree sextile is stronger than the 1.5 degree semi-sextile?

posted March 15, 2014 10:53 AM              

However in tropical composite ALMA is exactly sextile UNION, which is conjunct Sun - I had been wondering before if UNION might be an alternative to an exact JUNO-aspect, but it did not really occur that much, it was pretty much always the conjunction of Juno and Alma, or a synastric conjunction of these two, including one set where Juno conjunct Juno and Alma conjunct Alma. lol

posted March 15, 2014 10:55 AM              

I had just been so amazed at how often this combo had come up in form of a tight conjunction, but I suppose every close major aspect will create a resonance there.

Robert Browning and Elizabeth Barrett Browning had the square between Alma and Union in helio Davison.

SRI Aurobindo and the Mother had the opposition of ALMA and UNION in tropical composite

Another couple of tf`s had the ALMA-JUNO-conjunction in helio composite

Marie Curie and Pierre Curie had a close square of Alma and Juno in tropical composite.

Paul Mc Cartney and his first wife had an exact trine of Alma and Union in tr composite.

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posted March 15, 2014 11:02 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I'm not sure how to read for 'reunion' yet. I DO think it's going to be everywhere, though, in every level: natal geo-tropical, helio; progressions, SRs, arc, Draconic, etc.

I did list all of my name asteroids with Fate once. I'll grab that and repost. I'm not sure if I read that as anything indicating or guaranteeing any sort of reunion, though. Merely validation.

Curiously, iQ stated that you would incur negative karma from a sexual relationship?

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Honestly, I don't know what to make of IQ's idea of my mars conjunct his Saturn in Trop synastry would bring bad luck..

posted March 15, 2014 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL we were writing it the same time

I had just been so amazed at how often this combo had come up in form of a tight conjunction, but I suppose every close major aspect will create a resonance there.

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posted March 15, 2014 11:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Michelle,

I had a closer, though still superficial, look at your composite/ Davison.

Only in terms of the stronger soulmate pairings; somehow I feel a bit uncomfortable using the pairing of Adonis/Ishtar / Adonis as tf-marker. Though it is a strong attraction-point for sure.

Anyway it is a real shame we do not have his birthtime.
And yes it is true there are not innummerable markers, especially not in your composite; but I still found some indicators/ significant aspects, that I think justify a closer look.

COMPOSITE
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Planetary and love asteroids

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Odd, odd things going on with this site.

The quote above was truncated here, from what it was originally. This also happened last night (when I originally replied using this same quote function) and again here; last night I thought I had fumble-fingered again and chopped it off myself. But I posted a response to you, Ceri, that isn't here on this thread this morning.

I came here after a devastating conversation with my daughter, needing "something", something else on which to focus for a moment. Or an hour. She is in crisis. I am in California, she is in New York. My sweet, tender-hearted, so-sensitive quad Scorpio daughter is falling apart and all I can do is be here, HERE d**n it, when she needs me. If I can ask you all to send her some prayers/positive thoughts, I would be so grateful. She needs the support. Her name is Samantha.

I found your answer to my question about composite charts, Ceri. I read part of your story, Indigo. And then. Oh, my. And then.

Ceri, THANK YOU SO MUCH, SO VERY, VERY MUCH. I am blown away that you put your time and your heart into looking at our charts.

But I'm even more blown away at what you found.

On so many levels, I have recently been just wanting to wash my hands of this. It feels so pointless. Even knowing that what I've experienced, as you handful of friends here have experienced, is so rare. That it IS precious. I've been torn up inside, AGAIN, and wanting peace.

Reading your findings, Ceri, put hope into my heart. Nothing may ever happen with Jace, but I need that hope. Hope is what keeps us going.

Thank you. With all my heart, thank you.

posted March 15, 2014 11:12 AM            

"here was a warmth in the dream."
I could feel the warmth in your description, yes. And it is very much this kind of warmth that I feel on our "good days". THAT warmth is worth any of the "bad days" actually, more than just making up for it.

"But we're getting very close. I feel we're ticking ever nearer each day."

If at any point you have a dream about me and Cusp coming together, feel free to let me know LOL😜

posted March 15, 2014 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Indigo,

"here was a warmth in the dream."
I could feel the warmth in your description, yes. And it is very much this kind of warmth that I feel on our "good days". THAT warmth is worth any of the "bad days" actually, more than just making up for it.

"But we're getting very close. I feel we're ticking ever nearer each day."
That is what I feel as well.

" This MARS RETRO seems to be shifting us in greater alignment to it."
It is of significance for Mr Sag and me, as both natal UNIONS and our composite UNION are all three on 29 Libra.

Composite Mars is on 23 Libra, so after the Tr Venus moving back and forth over our composite Venus (16 Cap) and hence experiencing a Venus Return, now it is Mars` turn, a Mars-Return in our composite (again wiht the back-and-forth move).

And after that we are ALSO experiencing a com posite nodal Return, as our composite NN is on 20 Libra (with AMOR, CUPIDO and CAMELOT glued to it on 20 LIbra, and my DNA and SAPPHO and MUSA are there, as well as his natal Pluto, all on 20 or 21 LIbra)

But I disgress.

BTW you know what I just realized?
Usually the nodes are retrograde, there are just some rare occasions they are changing into direct motion (and usually not for long).

They will become stationary when I will undertake this trip, a week`s holiday, at which end I am going to see him on stage again, in EXCALIBUR.

Just two days before seeing that musical, they will be in direct motion.

And only for the few days I am going to be there, curiously pretty much exactly with my departure they will resume their retro motion again.

All this stationing happens on 28-29 Libra, only one degree off our UNION, composite and natal.

And as I remember you have your Saturn-Pluto-Atlantis in composite there.
Pay attention to what takes place in the days from appr. 22nd - 29th april.

just before Beltane, 1st may, this window will close again, probably shifting into a very new phase from then on, taking the experiences with us.

"The events that had taken place between you, which you generously shared with us, were nothing short of strangely perfect. The positive impact you both had on each other, and the world, was plain to see."

What else could I say to this?

"and your togetherness was an excellent, even textbook representation of Twin Flames."
I might be more hesitating to call it like this than others, but I like hearing it, reading it, cause then I can feel the truth of it.

"Off-handedly, my hair is a LOT like yours."
Yes, I noticed that, too
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"I rarely ever wear cosmetics - or even bother with much in that area. ."
Same here.

"I remember thinking to myself, 'she's finally realising she's beautiful.'"
Is it so obvious?

LOL
But yes, I slowly start seeing and accepting that I am actually not all that bad, and that there is no real need to hide away (anymore).

" See, I still struggle with the concept, though people tell me I clean up rather nicely."
I suppose we are most critical of ourselves. But you really o not have anything to worry about in this regard.
But even more than, that you "clean up rather nicely" (never heard that before), it struck me how your very unique vibration also appears in the pics.
I think that will capture more attnetion than looks alone, this "presence" you have.

"He made you laugh;"
Yes. he always does. And THAT actually is the secret key to my heart, or under my defense systems. If you can make me laugh, it is me at my most vulnerable, and temporarily forgetting about any kind of guarding myself.

Actually even that night he broke my heart (oh how am I dramatic today!), he still managed to make me laugh. How is that possible?

"you were both smiling so much."
That is one of the most beautiful things actually, to see when a smile is being born on his face, and when it is appearing, because of me, well, that is a very incredible feeling.
As I said, what really made me pay attention to him, on that second concert in february 208, was that he entered the dark audience there, and it was like the whole room was bathed in light. That was unusual, I thought.
Someone illuminating a whole room just by his radiating smile and voice and positive energy alone.

"There was an energy connecting you, like a bridge between your souls;"

my REIKI, TESLA and CIRCE fall onto the very same degree of his Sun/Moon-mp, and the Sabian is:

"An Old Bridge Over A Beautiful Stream Is Still In Constant Use"

"your auras shimmered as one."
How beautiful!
Which colour?

Actually, yes, that was what I sensed in 2011, when he was approaching me during his show, and squatting beside me, and later standing right beside me, how I could not tell where my Aura ended and his began BECAUSE it was like my subconsciousness or even Higher Self did not even realize he was a different person; it was like my defense mechanism did not cry alarm, because it didn´t recognize him as "Not me" - energetically.
That was a very strange thought - even for me.

" part of what I'm here to do, what I've done ever since I could make friends, was collect people. My soul-family."
I think that what has taken place, at least partly, in this thread.

"It only stands to reason I'd have - and find - my own. "
You have.
You just don`t know what to do with tha realization.

You mentioned in the post prior to thsi the BIG BETRAYAL, and it struck a loud chord in me. I was on the bus actually, when I could hear the thoughts in my mind: "The big betrayal is to not acknowledge the truth of your twinflame, even if you know."
When I looked up I just saw a cat sitting across the bus, and then walking away after looking at me (I´ve always had a guardian-cat, but he unfortunately died some months ago; he was always walking patrols around my house, especially when my parents weren´t here, which is why I came to call him guardian cat; actually the day or two days before he died, he came to me and into my kitchen - something he NEVER did before, he was a strangely shy cat- and just sat there and was telling me something. Well I did not quite understand cat-language, but felt it was important to listen to him, even though my consciousness did not understand, then he walked out and it was the last time I had seen him, and the days after this he died. I suppose he had been coming to say goodbye to me - this cat today from across the bus, looked a lot like him, so I took it as a good omen).

Maybe there are more betrayal-scenarios, but this is certainly part of mine. STubbornly denying a truth just for fear of being wrong.

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posted March 15, 2014 11:16 AM              

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Honestly, I don't know what to make of IQ's idea of my mars conjunct his Saturn in Trop synastry would bring bad luck..

I will say he only looked at tropical synastry and Draco synastry though...and at the time the possibility of being TF's wasn't even on the table.

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