posted March 19, 2014 05:01 PM              

Yup. I guess Soulmates can torture you pretty much as a Twinflame.

As to the loyalty part ...

Augh. YES.

Yes, yes, YES. That drives me INSANE.

As he suddenly lashed out at me when things were becoming volatile, September 2012, 'I feel like I'm married to you - and we haven't even slept together yet!'

We both became VERY angry with each other. Receiving no sense of enjoyment from any relationship (me) or encounter (him) since we were face-to-face, WITH the truth known, that January.

But the feeling of being unfaithful if I'm with anyone who isn't him drives - me - bonkers. Because how NUTS is it to think that you're cheating on someone - with your husband?

Insane!

Nonetheless, only my mother knows I feel like that, and she understands. She hates the situation, too. Somehow, she knows how happy I COULD be, how happy she's seen me in the other dimension / the other timeline, and it just pains her that I'm not that here.

Anyhow. Yes. I can relate to THAT part very strongly. Frustratingly so.

posted March 19, 2014 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
and the symbol of infinity

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posted March 19, 2014 05:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"I am born on the 13th, he is born on the 14th."
Two transformational numbers.

"Our birthdays amount to: 10!"
I kind of like the 10, it seems to speak of a beginning.

"Pallas conjunct Moon 1 degree
Pallas sextile Moon 2 degrees."

Wow!
IQ once said that the Pallas-Moon-conjunction is the only really telepathic aspect (though others can contribute to that psychic link greatly,b ut Moon-Pallas is just so strong).

"He has Pallas conjunct Valentine 2 degrees. Would that make him a "psychic" when in love?"
Yes, maybe. Or maybe he would easily fall in love with a woman who knows how to use her mind.

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I have Pallas conjunct neptune...and my conjunction conjuncts his neptune and Moon!! 😜

posted March 19, 2014 05:17 PM              

Actually my PALLAS is reasonably strong.

Situated in aquarius, my Moon is on the midpoint of Pallas/Psyche (Pallas 10 Aqua - Moon 17 Aqua - Psyche 24 Aqua).

orb is 0°30.

Also PALLAS trines Pluto exactly and both sextile ATLANTIS/NN/Neptune in Sag (on Antares actually)

" the actual symbol for a fresh, new beginning! for the leap of faith!"

Oh I like the FOOL. I totally do.

But there is no card 0, as there is no number 0. It is the 23rd card actually. The one that goes beyond the completion and mastery of 22, the one that tries to go that one step further, and boom, falls into a new cycle.

birthday number 23:

"You love change and excitement and need both to feel truly alive. For you, life is an adventure, to be lived to the fullest. You don't want to be cheated from having your share of experiences.

You are highly adaptable, which makes change a great deal easier for you than for others. You have an easy way with relationships and generally get along well with most people you meet. You have a gift for communication and promoting yourself. You possess talent in verbal and writing skills, and would make an excellent writer, editor or salesperson.

You are quite affectionate and sensitive. You work well with others as long as there are not too many restrictions placed upon you. You do not like to be cooped up in the same place for long; you get restless and bored easily.

You are versatile and talented and there are few things you cannot do. You have a very sharp mind and a fine understanding of the body, which makes careers in medicine or health both possible and rewarding. You are very creative and witty.

Your challenge is to be willing to start your enterprise small and take practical steps toward enlarging it to its full scope. You have a gift for seeing both the details of a plan and how it should unfold. You are orderly and patient. You can approach a problem methodically and systematically. Your solutions tend to be unique. You keep your own counsel and have much inner strength. Conversely, you can be nervous and suffer grave doubts about yourself, which you also tend to hide.

Your challenges
You can sometimes shirk responsibility, letting your gift of gab get you through the tight spots. There can be a tendency toward sensorial indulgence, especially in food, alcohol and sex. You need to learn to focus your considerable energies. Discipline and order are necessities for you to be successful in life.

You can be nervous and even given to paranoia, especially when your nerves become frayed or your imagination runs out of control."

http://www.numerology.com/about-numerology/23rd-birthday-numerology

Obviously that is just my perspective on this.

posted March 19, 2014 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
What about the comparison between your birth dates? Anything significant?

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Oh, I WISH I hadn't burned all of my work when I was letting Jace "go" two years ago. All of my numerology and lexigram work is gone.

But I did think this was interesting. My life path is 8. Generally understood to be about money/financial success. And yet my ACTUAL life path in recent years, ESPECIALLY since being awakened by these dreams, has been spiritually oriented.

Jace, on the other hand, has a life path of 7. Spirituality. I heard through the grapevine that he has a contempt for God because of the damage his son sustained from the chemo for his cancer. His words: "What good is God?". And yet what he has ACCOMPLISHED in life so far is huge financial success with all of the trimmings. The country club, the home in the country club area, the boat and motorhome and, and, and.

It's odd to me. He is embracing all that supposedly composes my life path. And I am embracing all that composes his life path.

By all accounts, spirituality isn't important to him. And believe me, I couldn't care less that he is wealthy. Frankly, I wish he wasn't. I've always seen wealth as an impediment to being able to trust that a man/woman really loves someone; wealthy people are so used to being courted for their influence and favor.

Ironic, isn't it?

posted March 19, 2014 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I don't know if you've discussed this.

It's about the numerological connections between twinflames.

Here is the article:

There has been some noise around those twin flames lately, hasn’t there?

Over the past few years our collective karma had accelerated dramatically. More people have been meeting their twin flames or realizing they have had this unusual encounter.

When twin flames meet, they recognize each other and remain energetically linked through life, as they fulfill a deep catalystic mission in each other’s further life course.

Here are some interesting facts to know about twin flames.

[b]The Meeting

You will meet your twin flame in the settings where/and when you least expect a romantic encounter.

The meeting will bring a sudden rise of energy and a state of euphoria, followed by a deep melancholic feeling of something “long gone missing”, suddenly right now.

Developing a Connection

You’ll meet again in unexpected circumstances, brought back together by some unusual synchronicity.

You feel you “recognize” that person rather than gradually getting to know them.

You may be struck by a sudden thought like “Oh, it’s you! Where have you been?!”

Your spiritual and emotional connection grows intense already at the early stages of acquaintance.

You both bump into signs that bluntly bring you back to one another.

Somewhere at this point you may hear your twin flame drop a phrase like “I am your reflection” or “I am your personal messiah” and so on.

Your interest and attraction to each other will keep on growing.

You both will just be wondering What is going on.

The Merging

Twin flames will share a few unforgettable encounters together where they will both feel “drunk on happiness”. But will part shortly after, overwhelmed by the intensity of a connection and not knowing what to do next.

Here they usually ‘splits’ into Runner and Chaser, and these roles get interchangeable.

The Separation

Twin flames separate and move on further with their lives.

However, they develop a strong telepathic connection and continue communicating through thoughtforms and shared dreaming.

The less physical contact TFs have in separatioin, the keener they feel each other’s on a distance.

Both will try to start new relationships or concentrate on their current partners. This, however, won’t be leaving them satisfied – in the depth of a heart something will be missing.

Both start to investigate and read more about the peculiarity of an experience they shared, and here is where they often come across the term “twin flames”.

Twin Flames and Loyalty

There is an interesting phenomenon of twin flames loyalty.

TFs separate for years, but nevertheless have a feeling of belonging to each other.

Being with other partners feels like… cheating. There is always a silent phantom of a ‘third’.

It’s unreasonable, doesn’t make sense, but it’s there.

Twin Flames and Soulmates

Unlike the relationship with twin flame that always brings you in unrest, relationships with soulmates go effortless and smooth.

The reason is that soulmates secure our zones of comfort, keeping it safe and familiar for us to be in.

While twin flames push each other ‘s comfort zones to edges, and protective walls of fortresses are shaking.

Facing the Self

Twin flames will feel like running back to what felt normal and familiar, but at some point they won’t feel satisfied with their older versions anymore.

It’s like their twin has showed them that they can be better, and keeping status quo is like lying to yourself.

Personal changes are inevitable.

Other Interesting Facts About Twin Flames

Both TFs have noticeable similarities in physique or personality.

Both TFs feel each other well on a distance and often share same moods and physical symptoms. If one twin is in pain, other one will have similar phantomlike sensations.

In separation twin flames oftentimes feel illogically angry at each other, being jealous of each other’s popularity and competitive in their achievements.

Both twins feel the depth of a connection and admit there is a certain mystery about each other that they cannot completely figure out.

Twin flames’ birth dates may repeat the numbers or follow each other.

There is always an interesting math or play of numbers involved between the two.

For example when I summed the letters of my first and second names and those of my twin flame, we both got 11 / 11.

11:11 is a code of twin flames, mirrored aspects of the 2; numbers of Fibonacci sequence, and the signature of your energetic and spiritual ascension.

You may start seeing 11, 10, 0, 1, 7, 8, 22 and repertitive numbers more often.

You’ll notice significant changes in all aspects of your life.

When Twin Flames Reunite

Twin flames don’t reunite easily in a form of a regular romantic relationship.

As long as we try to enforce it, it will be slipping away.

Much personal and self developmental work has to be done first on the part of both before the union is possible, and external obstacles are only the reflection of TF’s current internal unreadiness.

As long as you keep thinking “He or she has to change so we can be together”, you are still not ready.

You get closer to reunion when You are starting to change.

Twin flames always instigate each other to develop further – that is their real esoteric purpose, and that is why they keep each other in unrest.

In a direct or an indirect way they always ‘help’ each other understand what in themselves is missing for completeness.

Twin flame gives us phantom of a home that we are longing to go back to. But each walks there at their own pace on their own road.

http://sofiasiberia.com/2013/12/23/twin-flames/

This is what caught my attention:

Twin flames’ birth dates may repeat the numbers or follow each other.

There is always an interesting math or play of numbers involved between the two.

For example when I summed the letters of my first and second names and those of my twin flame, we both got 11 / 11.

11:11 is a code of twin flames, mirrored aspects of the 2; numbers of Fibonacci sequence, and the signature of your energetic and spiritual ascension.

You may start seeing 11, 10, 0, 1, 7, 8, 22 and repertitive numbers more often.

There's also an interesting article about Twin flames and number 11 here:

http://loveandlivedivine.wordpress.com/meaning-of-number-eleven/1111-2/

Have you checked the numerology?[/B]

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This is wonderful. Thank you for sharing this.

I can especially relate to the loyalty issue. I just mentioned that recently, while wondering recently about getting involved with someone else. Jace is tied to my heart. He lives there. He doesn't go away. He is somewhat like a ghost haunting the hallways of my soul.

And yeah, I feel quite disloyal even THINKING about this new guy.

It's so strange. SO strange.

posted March 19, 2014 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Bluejay:
Thanks Michelle! Each state/county will have their own laws, but usually for research purposes these records can be obtained. Usually it has to be a licensed genealogy researcher or a private investigator to have access to such information without being the individual or an immediate family member. I have done my homework, and in this particular case there are ways I could falsify proof of identity to obtain copies, but it's not worth breaking the law. I'd be sooooo humiliated if the person working in the county clerks office knew his family, which is quite probable since he's from rural Maine. I've never been to Maine, but I think "rural" is probably redundant, since it is not a densely populated state. Anyways, good luck on your search!

Didn't you mention being a Leo ascendant? I think it was close to my Leo descendant at 18 degrees. I am pretty convinced that he's a Leo ascendant because of his look, the way his planets fall into the houses, and a dream I had. Since Jace owns a business (so does the guy I'm talking about) it helps to look at what planets would fall in the 10th house, ruler of the 10th, and aspects to the MC. If he took over a family business, maybe look to the 8th house as well, since it rules inheritances, family legacy, other people's resources, etc. Then again, it's only speculating, but this method was quite effective to rectify my ex's chart. I knew he had a pretty close Moon/Pluto opposition due to his crazy mom, and her manipulation and obsession with him. An energy she directs towards him, but not her other 2 sons. Lol! Luckily, I was able to find his actual birth time to verify it.

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{{{Gosh, I'm SO far behind on getting back to you all. If I miss anybody, it's not intentional. Busy week and I SO want to try to pull together this info for Ceri.}}}

Bluejay,

My ASC is Leo 16.57. (Funny, I don't remember mentioning it here. But I may have in the tiny bit of work I posted after Ceri posted some findings.) Yes, we're very close!

Those are great clues about the tenth and eighth house. Thank you! I'm just unclear about how to try to figure this out by sign. He does have a conjuncted stellium of Jupiter, Mercury and Mars in Taurus and Taurus fits as far as the material goods/financial success details. But then again, Taurus might be a secondary house.

Which planets would you look for in the eighth or tenth house in this case?

One other detail that might help is that I know his relationship with his father wasn't great growing up. One of the asteroid conjunctions that he has (I think it was Nessus) made Ami Anne think he had been abused as a child. Anything is possible. But I'm not sure what his relationship with his mother was like. So fourth house or ninth? And again, I wonder which planets. Moon?

I did try messing with some different birth times this morning, trying to draw a picture. Very time consuming and I don't have time this week.

And so it goes. It doesn't help that I'm such a newbie. I get confused and overwhelmed easily with the influx of so much new information. There's SO much to learn in this science and I'm terrible at math. And, and, and.

posted March 19, 2014 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
MicoleMaree: I definitely think the overall description of you and Jace is of a TF Relationship. Maybe the birth time will nail it with a precise 7th Cusp Planet.

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Thank you for taking the time to post these words, iQ. This is such a perplexing journey. The puzzle is still in pieces but your words help me to feel as though one more piece just locked into place.

posted March 19, 2014 06:32 PM            

Wow. I couldn't even admit to MYSELF how much I loved him - no less him!

Of course, the door wouldn't just shut, but slam, the following January. And I've not touched the handle, or latch, since. Too afraid. What if I discover it's locked? What if I try the key and the lock's been changed? Is it worth it, the feeble back-of-my-mind curiosity, that it just might actually still open - and is just jammed?

Augh. Bad line of thought. Anyway. From an old forum no longer in existence. Circa 2012 Me.

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Post #33
03 October 2012 @ 20:03:12

On The Turning Away

I'm doing it again. I said I wouldn't. I swore I wouldn't. I told him I'd stop running.

And here I am, once again, turning away.

What other choice do I have?

I've absolved myself of the guilt that I'm why we aren't together. I poked, prodded and probed to the point it was proved he hasn't changed.

He can't love me. He can't love, period.

So, what was I supposed to do? Not give love and devote my all to the man who became my husband? To his daughter, my stepchild, whom I fiercely protect and who taught me the joy of such a privilege? Was I not supposed to keep moving forward, have a family; give them my heart?

This whole business is bass-ackwards. Having one's heart in a place where it will only break, or starve from neglect. A place it feels powerless to leave. I guess I left it out in the middle of nowhere with a big black horse and a cherry tree. Joy.

The guilt is replaced by ennui, which alternates between that and restlessness. Then the whole thing takes a nosedive into depression. Despair. Bewildrement.

So much uncertainty. A door that he will neither walk through nor close. I tire of waiting idly by, of course, tamping my foot, checking my watch, sighing, and asking: 'why not?' I tire even more of exasperated replies with equally explosive truths bearing at their core: 'I don't know'.

Yeah. I do. It's too much.

If I'm willing to believe any of this telepathy theory, then, as I lingred between wake and sleep, he very well may have pled that he just can't handle it.

The diffrence? I stopped feeling rejected because of it.

I decided, in listening to my heart, my mind, my soul, I have no reason to fear rejection from him. What he's trying to do - all he truly can - is find some way to keep me without actually having me. So, the door is open - and no one's walking through it.

Fine. Now I get to wrestle with my own daemons, coming to necessary terms of why I fell so hard for a man who is incapable of loving me. Who can't even handle a relationship of emotional depth - doesn't even want to try. He hasn't changed. And it's not my ********* fault.

Sex is dicey when your chemistry is overwhelming, you're best friends, and all he knows is f*cking; women he doesn't care about, with whom he's good acquaintances, and desires it never go further.

I felt horrible about that. Guilty, in a way, that he was relegating himself to this lifestyle because of me. Because of my running.

No. Ha - no.

He can't. Period. Sex is sex, love is a mystery - out of the equation entirely - and never the twain shall meet. I understand now. I'm 'the one who knows him better than anyone'. The one for whom he makes 'incredible allowances' - like sharing emotional intimacy and naming me his confidante, despite how relentlessly I call him on his bullsh*t.

It must get exhausting - having someone who means THAT much to you, affects you THAT deeply, constantly confronting you with everything about yourself you know ain't right.

It is, actually; he does it to me as well.

That being the reality, it's hardly a surprise, the reticence for going further - complicated circumstances notwithstanding. His fear of losing me. No doubt.

He loves me. I ... evidence would suggest, I love him as well. I've healed my inability to experience true intimacy - even as I still have my issues; the fear remains, but I confront it.

He hasn't.

He has sex in a very simple, shallow, impersonal way. The sex is about the sex - not connecting. Our connexion is frighteningly powerful. To treat the sex as, well, sex - and nothing more?

Yes. He would lose me. I'd have no choice but to flee in desperation; in the name of self-preservation. It would hurt SO much, cut SO deeply - I would be in shambles. Treated like a number; a notch. I'd. Be. Destroyed.

This would play havoc with my family, too. The source of my inexplicable, tormented, all-encompassing depression. Disappearing into myself to a place none could reach.

None, save him. And he - my best friend, my partner - he'd be the last person that I'd WANT to.

I don't want this. I can't take that. I don't know where that leaves us. Continuing to lay the right foundation, I suppose. But that we'd be building towards an intimate relationship seems rather quixotic to me. So, I'm being pragmatic.

We haven't had any contact for ... going into 72 hours. He last called Sunday night; I've not texted since that evening. See, I initiate text, he calls. That's just how we roll.

But, lately, I wondered ... what if I didn't?

What if I did nothing? Nothing to maintain this? Would it finally fall away? Would he continue calling?

Would he ... miss me?

He hates it when I do this. He's even told me, in one of those rare outbursts. That he hates the extremes - my being SO there, and my being SO gone. Of course, he'd take my being 'so there' over my being gone any day.

So, ironically, counterintuitively, I've decided to let him go. Really, genuinely, let him go. As the adage says .... If he's 'mine' - he'll be back. If he isn't ... well, it's good to know this sooner rather than later.

He's always 'come back' before. No mattre the distance. No mattre the duration. I got engaged - he was still there. Married; there. I 'disappear' or give him 'the silent treatment' and he's never gone.

But ... will it always be that way? What if I just ... don't initiate - anything - at all?

But all of it hurts. All of it sucks. All of it is just damned hard. And you get to a place, eventually, where it doesn't mattre who runs or chases, or what stage or phase you're in - you just want to let it go - and hope, pray - that it really is yours.

Doesn't it FEEL indescribably better when it IS?

posted March 19, 2014 07:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"I am born on the 13th, he is born on the 14th."
Two transformational numbers.

"Our birthdays amount to: 10!"
I kind of like the 10, it seems to speak of a beginning.

"Pallas conjunct Moon 1 degree
Pallas sextile Moon 2 degrees."

Wow!
IQ once said that the Pallas-Moon-conjunction is the only really telepathic aspect (though others can contribute to that psychic link greatly,b ut Moon-Pallas is just so strong).

"He has Pallas conjunct Valentine 2 degrees. Would that make him a "psychic" when in love?"
Yes, maybe. Or maybe he would easily fall in love with a woman who knows how to use her mind.

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Yeah, I've mentioned this one a number of times, but:

His Moon conj. My Pallas exact, and lilith by 1 in Pisces. My Moon is opposite that in his 7th a few degrees off his Dsc.
His Mercury-Pallas conj. My IC (exact),Destiinn and Union by 1, trine my Mercury (which is conj. his SN), and sextile my Alma. Mercury is the ruler of his 4th and 7th (Gem/Vir), my 1st (my Asc conj. his IC. and SM Midpoint), and according to Pullen, leads in both our charts.

posted March 19, 2014 07:27 PM              

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Originally posted by micole maree:

My ASC is Leo 16.57

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posted March 19, 2014 08:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
We have our Asc's conjunct lol.
Mine is Leo 14°20

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Wow! You guys all have your ASC on my NNODE.

posted March 19, 2014 08:49 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Wow! You guys all have your ASC on my NNODE.

Why am I not surprised?

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Lol

posted March 19, 2014 09:02 PM            

I check my phone. It's been out of my hands for exactly 5 minutes. And yet. I know. I - effing - know.

I check it.

Huh. Nothing. Well, that's relieving.

I set it down.

It vibrates - for just a second.

Now it reads: one missed call.

Son of a !@#$%.

Reading my face, and mini-dramatics, my husband says, 'are we avoiding him again?' Then, he just extends his hand. 'Here. I'll call him back.' Oh, hell no, I'm thinking, though I won't say it. HE's the reason I'm back to not-answering. HE thought it was cutting-through-all-the-crap and allowing us to hyperdrive back to our previous emotional intimacy. Yeah, I'm not seeing it that way.

'NO!' I grab my phone and dash away. 'Nooo, you won't. And I, I am working, damn it. WORKING. I AM WRITING. I. AM. BUSY!' I set it down and go get my mango nectar-vanilla smoothie, because, I NEED ONE.

'Shouldn't you call him back so he doesn't, ya know, feel you're rejecting him?' The kiddo, of course.

'Ya know ... HE can text me. 'Hey, it's important. Need to talk. Call me.' Hell, he can LEAVE A VOICEMAIL.'

' ... Are you sure it's not full?' my husband asks in that Gem-Sag way of his. Wryly.

'YES.' Yeah, I'm defencive about it.

'So ... he called you ... last Monday ... and then Thursday and ... yesterday, and - '

I'm blinking at my husband's suddenly remarkable memory. Scratch that; my husband's NOT known for his memory. Hey, it's not as bad as my costar's - who, in all honesty, is probably early-onset Alzheimer's (forties) - but, still. No.

Of course, I come back into the living room to find my husband holding my phone.

'I, uh, need my phone. For, you know, things.'

My husband gives me That Look, but easily hands it over.

'How long are you going to avoid him? Again?'

'I .... I'm not av - ' Crap. 'I need time. Okay? I just. Need. Time.'

'Why?'

I glare-blink at him.

'HE doesn't know that.'

'Of COURSE he doesn't know that. I'd rather he not have evidence to prove his theory that I'm crazy.'

'What?' Oh, fantastic. Now the child is involved.

'Homework, sweetie, it's not gonna do itself.'

'I'm doing it!' she calls back. Oh, twelve. What an age. The silence as my husband and I just stare at each other for the moment is neither comfortable nor awkward.

'I have a pilot to do, thank you very much.'

He lifts his hands, as if to say, he won't interfere. I offre a simple grin in thanks and sit back down to my Macbook, preparing to work.

' ... and ya came in like a wreeecking ball .... '

I throw up my hands; my entire face saying, 'REALLY?'

' ... Oh.' She smiles her most sheepishly; two rows of braces, the bottom recently applied. I can't believe how much it made her look like a teenager, practically overnight. 'Sorry.'

I sigh. 'It's okay.'

She knows it's not. We all do. We also don't know a lot of what else TO do.

So ... this is what we do.

She decides to take her homework upstairs. She does that sometimes; it's less any kind of emotional weather and more how she sometimes prefers to roll. And I totally get it.

About ten minutes later, she comes down in search of a highlighter, as 'she's sure it would make some things easier.' Top shelf, I tell her. She grabs it.

Then she stands there for a second; her intentional path is already back upstairs, but she's lingring here.

'What's up, kiddo?'

'Uhh, you should listen to 'Love Is An Open Door'.' I blink. 'Just look it up. It's from 'Frozen'.

I sigh. 'Sweetie, I've got a deadline in a DAY.'

'Dooooo eeeet. Do eet now,' she says, donning some funky accent. 'Really. Trust me.'

Sigh. Wow. Is it that obvious?

posted March 19, 2014 11:17 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Wow! You guys all have your ASC on my NNODE.

Why am I not surprised?

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Me too? My Asc is Leo 13.49.

posted March 20, 2014 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Me too? My Asc is Leo 13.49.

iQ had mentioned that Leo Ascendants were likely to be Atlanteans.

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posted March 20, 2014 12:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Lol

Virgo guy has his Anti-Vertex (Leo 13°48) on your NN then.

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And smack on Astro keen's ASC. Heh.

My AVX is 00º LEO 49'.

posted March 20, 2014 01:23 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
And smack on Astro keen's ASC. Heh.

My AVX is 00º LEO 49'.

My NNODE is exactly 18º LEO 03', actually. So, it's close to being conjunct. Might be parallel, though. (It's 15 '25 N.)

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Naww a bit too far from your NN to be parallel

His Anti-Vx is 16°41 N

My Asc is only a tad far from your NN as well, at 16°31 N

posted March 20, 2014 01:25 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Kind of. LEO stellia / heavy LEO placements are 'evidence of Atlantis Epoch Royalty'.

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Interesting,

My DNA is in Leo too (13°08), conjunct my Asc by 1°

posted March 20, 2014 01:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Interesting,

My DNA is in Leo too (13°08), conjunct my Asc by 1°

lol

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Yeah, I need to ask him exactly what he means by 'heavy LEO placements'. I know it was in regards to the dreams I'd shared with him.

Interestingly, Fate's and my composite shifts from SCO into LEO in Draconic.

According to more than a few sources, the dreams that I've had are some strange sort of recall in which I was unprepared to succeed my mother, who was empress at the time. At least I FELT entirely unprepared. Heh. She has very powerful ties to Atlantis.

Such vivid, powerful dreams, those.

Something I thought rather curious is my AVX Persona Chart.

00º LEO 40' | SUN
00º LEO 52' | PALLAS
01º LEO 51' | NNODE
02º LEO 07' | PSYCHE
27º LEO 51' | SAPPHO
28º LEO 52' | VENUS

And:

20º LIB 06' | ATLANTIS
20º ARI 50' | MOON

That might exactly be my SUN/PLUTO MP in Geo-Tropical.

My PLUTO is oddly enough still 21º LIB here.

And check this out:

21º SAG 49' | KARMA
22º SAG 31' | NEPTUNE

Both RETRO.

Wow. There's a LOT here. Too much to name in one fell swoop.

And ... now Astrodienst is down? Nooooo!

posted March 20, 2014 02:21 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
And smack on Astro keen's ASC. Heh.

My AVX is 00º LEO 49'.

My NNODE is exactly 18º LEO 03', actually. So, it's close to being conjunct. Might be parallel, though. (It's 15 '25 N.)

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My NN at 16*02, and ASC at 18*02 Leo
My Sun and ASC are both contra-parallel your NN(and my NN)
My vertex is at 11 degrees Virgo

I knew we had a lot of similar placements since I was born a few weeks after you, but it's weird that we also have ASC/DSC axis aspects going both ways.

I also have Moon conjunct Pluto and Venus conjunct Atlantis all in the 8th house....along with Jupiter and Saturn.

posted March 20, 2014 03:29 AM            

For what it's worth, my Uranus is conjunct ASC at 19.22 Leo. And my name asteroid is at 3.xx Leo as well, all by its lonesome.

posted March 20, 2014 04:00 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Kind of. LEO stellia / heavy LEO placements are 'evidence of Atlantis Epoch Royalty'.

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Mr Sag has Atlantis on 20 Leo, right on my Cupido, but more importantly we make tight Pluto-Proserpina-DNA-Atlantis-pattern, natally, synastrically, compositically.

posted March 20, 2014 04:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mr Sag has Atlantis on 20 Leo, right on my Cupido, but more importantly we make tight Pluto-Proserpina-DNA-Atlantis-pattern, natally, synastrically, compositically.

BTW my Moon is on 17 Aquarius, so I am "Mooning" all your ASC`s and Indigos Node.

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Love it.

posted March 20, 2014 05:12 AM            

I was reading a book I purchased a few days back; it's quite good, actually. Though I don't agree with the mechanism its author does, she herself, Clare Elizabeth Prophet, 'feels' right to me. Even if I tend to gravitate more to the Graduate theory, (as it's what I naturally stumbled upon in an eerily similar fashion), her energy seems useful to me at this juncture.

I forget how I discovered the power of words in my head back in college. How I needn't even speak them in order for them to 'shape' my reality in some form. So, I'd been walking into the bathroom after reading her experience where she'd asked for confirmation that she had in fact met her twin flame - and saw him in the mirror.

I thought, I'm just going to create a little private invocation in an effort to help me pierce through some of these layers; the things which obscure the truth. I'd been thinking that in my head, basically brainstorming what I'd actually affix to some tangible medium.

So I went ahead and stopped, and looked into the mirror at, of course, my own reflection, as I have hundreds of times. Then, I had a strange notion.

My glasses magnify the world for me. They make it possible to experience it pleasantly and in sharp acuity. But it's kind of an illusion that's happening. My microscopic vision, for example, only engages when my frames are off.

I removed them and stood at the mirror. Entirely forgetting, I suppose, the bit of chanting going on in my head, silently, for the past few minutes.

I can't quite explain what happened. Except I gasped, cursed, cried, I think - in short, I was overwhelmed. Completely. I hyperventilated. I didn't quite panic - but very nearly.

It's as if, after about ten seconds of my staring, simply, rather than intensely, either certain things began to rearrange - subtly - or I just suddenly realised how completely similar our faces are.

Because the 'feeling', I had, the image in my mind's eye, as my own features began to melt, merge, blur and shift, was of his very plain expression reflecting right back at me.

And for that flash, that split second, I indeed saw him. It was plain to me as anything. Unmistakeable. HIM.

God, did I want that? I'm not sure. Is that why I cried? Or is it just THAT overwhelming of an experience?

Four years to the day that we saw each other in person for the first time. 20 March. Just 22 hours prior to the exact time.

That was ... it's hard to articulate.

I think I repeated, 'oh, God, I've gone crazy,' several times as I looked away, and could NOT look back, afterwards. I recall that plainly, too.

I'm not sure exactly what to make of this. It's flabbergasting. I'm not quite used to such things just HAPPENING like that, either.