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darkdreamer
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posted August 16, 2008 06:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you are interested, you can do your declinational equivalents here
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/declination/index.php


Just type your declination of a planet in (ex: 23°23 N - my Sun) and the convertor will calculate the longitudinal equivalent (26° Sagittarius). The second number is the solstice point of the first one (I only use the first though; because otherwise it gets confusing).

It`s really interesting. In the normal chart Moon is unaspected.
In the LE (longitudinal equivalents) it`s conjunct Uranus and Juno and opposing Pluto, close to the declinational nodal axis (I think), and this Uranus-Pluto-colouring of my MOon definitely makes sense, since i have always been torn between the need to feel I belong somewhere, a need for passionate emotions and at the same time the urge for independency and detachment.

Of course you can see that in the normal chart, too, since my Aquarius Moon is in the 2nd house, and the ruler of moon house is in Scorpio conjunct 11th cusp, and the old ruler (Saturn) is in Cancer in 8th house.

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posted August 16, 2008 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"What I am seeing is that the l.e. chart will show where the native can handle squares and oppositions. It explains why some people do so well with miserable squares and manage to build and shine rather than give up in defeat , and why some people utilize trines so well , yet others just become lazy. I see ways "out" with the l.e.s."

That is so cool...I'm going to have to check out my charts when I get home from work.

Amazing!

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darkdreamer
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posted August 16, 2008 10:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, after reading a bit more, you have to use both positions that astroweekly gives you. They are equally important, since every declinational positions has two equivalents in the zodiac / longitudes.

Doing that it seems that Moon, Uranus and Juno are all tightly conjunct falling onto the NN, opposing Pluto on the SN. And Sun trines / sextiles it and Neptune squares it.

Also, in the longitudes I don`t have strong Saturnian influence, as it is retograde, in Cancer in 8th house, almost unaspected.
But in the equivalent chart it moves into the 7th house conjunct ASC and Vertex and opposing Mars. Definitely resonates with me.

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darkdreamer
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posted August 16, 2008 03:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I looked at the synastry of the declinational equivalent charts with two guys. (my planets first and orb is 3°)

1st:

Sun conjunct Sun
Sun trine Pluto
Sun conjunct Lilith

Moon square Mars
Moon square Neptune
Moon conjunct juno] (0)

Venus conjunct Mercury (0)
Venus conjunct Jupiter
Venus conjunct NN
Venus trine Eros (0.00 )

Mars conjunct Venus (0)
Mars opposite Saturn (0) - there had to be someone spoiling the fun *sighs*
Mars conjunct AC (4)
Mars trine IC
Mars conjunct Antivertex (0)

Saturn opposite Venus
SAturn conjunct SN
Saturn conjunct DC (0)

Saturn opposite Destinn

Uranus square Mars
Uranus conjunct Juno (0)

Neptune conjunct Mars
Neptune opposite Saturn
Npetune square Juno

Pluto square Mars
Pluto opposite Juno
Pluto trine Lilith
Pluto conjunct Psyche (3,5)

NN conjunct Juno

AC conjunct Venus
DC conjunct Saturn
AC conjunct AC
DC conjunct Vertex
AC conjunct Destinn

Antivertex conjunct Mars
Vertex conjunct DC (0)
Antivertex conjunct Destinn

Karma square Destinn
Karma conjunct Eros (0)

Destinn trine Venus
Destinn opposite Mars
Destinn square Pluto

Juno square Saturn
Juno conjunct Juno

Psyche opposite Pluto
Psyche conjunct Psyche

Eros opposite Moon
Eros opposite Karma (0.00 )
Eros trine Eros

Lilith trine Moon (0)
Lilith conjunct Uranus
Lilith square AC
Lilith trine Karma
Lilith square Destinn
Lilith opposite Eros


EDIT:

There are some double whammies:

Mars / Vertex
Saturn / DC
Pluto / Psyche
Vertex / DC
Karma / Eros

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darkdreamer
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posted August 16, 2008 03:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And for the second guy: (my planets first)

Sun conjunct Sun (0)
Sun trine Mars (0)
Sun square Karma (0)
Sun square Eros (0)
Sun trine Pluto

Moon opposite Mars
Moon conjunct SN (0)

Moon opposite Lilith

Mercury conjunct Venus

Venus conjunct Venus
Venus trine Pluto

Venus square Destinn (0)

Mars square Mars
Mars trine Saturn
Mars trine DC
Mars conjunct Neptune

Saturn trine AC

Uranus conjunct SN (0)
Uranus conjunct LIlith

Neptune trine Juno

Pluto trine Sun
Pluto conjunct NN

Pluto conjunct Lilith (0)
Pluto trine LIlith

SN conjunct Mars (0)
SN conjunt Jupiter
SN conjunct NN
SN conjunct Lilith

DC trine MOon
AC square Mars
AC trine Saturn
DC trine Uranus (0)
AC conjunct Neptune
AC trine DC (0)
DC tirne Karma

Karma trine Venus
Karma conjunct Pluto

Karma square Destinn

Destinn opposite Moon
DEstinn trine Juno

DEstinn square Lilith

Juno opposite Mars
Juno conjunct SN
Juno opposite Lilith

Psyche conjunct Psyche

Eros trine Venus (0)
Eros trine Pluto

Lilith opposite pluto (0)


EDIT: Doublewhammies between:

Sun / Pluto
Mars / DC
Saturn / AC
Pluto / Lilith

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darkdreamer
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posted August 16, 2008 06:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh well, while I was looking through some synastries (declinational equivalents), I also came across the one with musicman again. I thought there would have to be something to explain the strong and lasting impact, he had on me.

I found some very interesting connections:

My Sun trine his Moon (0)
my Sun trine his Venus
my Sun trine his Juno

My Moon opposite his Moon
my Moon opposite his Venus
my Moon conjunct his Jupiter (0)

my Venus trine his Sun (0.00)
my Venus square his Mars (0)
my Venus trine his NN (0)

my Mars opposite his Pluto

my Saturn conjunct his Destinn

my Uranus opposite his Venus

my pluto conjunct his MOon
my Pluto conjunct his Venus this indeed explains why I was so insanely drawn to him

my NN conjunct his Jupiter
my SN conjunct his Juno

my DC conjunct his Pluto

my Karma conjunct his Eros
my Karma conjunct his Sun

my Eros trine his Sun
my Eros conjunct his NN (0)

my juno opposite his Juno

my Lilith opposite his Sun
my Lilith opposite his Eros

Double whammies:
Sun / Venus
Jupiter / Juno
Uranus / Psyche
Neptune / Psyche
Eros / Lilith


But the other interesting part is that his Karma seems to challenge almost everything in my chart:

square my Moon
square my Uranus
opposite my Neptune
square my Pluto
square my NN


And his Pluto:

opposes my Mars
opposes my Neptune
squares my NN
conjuncts my DC
squares my Juno

On top of that squares his Eros my Saturn and DSC. It surely explains some thing.

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bvanzy
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posted August 16, 2008 08:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Darkdreamer,

Can I just ask you to confirm the phraseology of working with solstice points.

Say: Person A's Sun conjuncts Person B's Venus solstice point, what ways would that be phrased to indicate which person was doing what.

ie. in the above case, which is correct..

A's Sun antiscion B's Venus?
or
A's Sun conjunct B's Venus antiscion?

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darkdreamer
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posted August 16, 2008 08:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably the correct terminology w ould be:
A`s Sun is conjunct the antiscion of B`s Venus.
But you could also say A`s Sun is antiscion B`s Venus.
I actually prefer the terminology PErson a`s Sun is solstice conjunct Person B`s Venus.

But it`s all a matter of preference I guess.

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bvanzy
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posted August 16, 2008 08:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cheers.

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bvanzy
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posted August 16, 2008 09:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His natal Sun/Mercury/Venus contrascion my solstice Venus. (on the Libra/Aries axis)

and

My natal Venus contrascion his solstice Venus, solstice Sun and solstice Mercury. (on the Virgo/Pisces axis)


My natal Moon contrascion his solstice Mars. (on the Libra/Aries axis)

and

His natal Mars contrascion my solstice Moon. (on the Virgo/Pisces axis)

If these two sets of solstice aspects weren't in different spots, you'd think they were the same aspects. They aren't the same aspects counted twice are they? Am I losing my mind?

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Lara
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posted August 17, 2008 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD,
It's not just a Venus/mars conjunction, it's a DW Venus mars!!!

pretty funky!
When I get my computer back I will do more

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darkdreamer
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posted January 12, 2009 02:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 29, 2009 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess astro.com does not calculate antiscia?

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posted April 23, 2009 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kismet*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What if someone's antiscia of the sun conjuncts the ruler of my seventh house under 1 degree orb? Any ideas?

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posted January 30, 2011 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulful122     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
.' * '.bump.' * '.

Even though Leo and I don't seem to have NN conj anything in each other's natal charts.. the Solstice/Antiscia point shows the growth we both felt that didn't show up in our regular synastry.

(Solstice to Natal)

Me - Him

My Solstice Mercury & Saturn conjs his natal NN
My Solstice NN conj his natal Merc & Mars

My Solstice Moon also conjs his natal Sun/Moon mp, and his Solstice Moon conjs my natal Sun/Moon mp


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posted June 12, 2011 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alma Sun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Epic thread. Would be a good idea if more people look into solstice points.

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posted July 07, 2011 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alma Sun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted December 22, 2011 01:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Randall
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posted February 13, 2012 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*bump*

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Linda Jones
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posted June 17, 2012 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*bump*. This thread is amazing!!!

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Randall
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posted June 18, 2012 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I might move it to Astrology 2.0 (thinking).

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Linda Jones
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posted June 21, 2012 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Randall, I think that would make sense

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So you thought about doing an entire synastry with the solstice equivalents, Ceri. How would this be, the connections there? like a subtle underlying "shadow" merging? more like duads?

Tell me more, please

BTW, it would be nice to have this thread moved to Astrology 2.0

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Randall
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posted May 11, 2014 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's so many here I could move there.

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posted May 25, 2014 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bump for Interpersonal Astrology

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