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Tulipe
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posted June 17, 2014 02:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Good to know!

For example, someone has Venus square Uranus and Mars conjunct Pluto trine Neptune in his chart. He would most likely be attracted and fall in love with people providing a strong, exhilarating impact on his Venus, he needs a coup de foudre to be interested, and this is achieved through hard aspects to his Venus. But, for the whole package to be there, he also needs that this woman provides some hard aspect to his Mars/Pluto too (with Mars/Pluto, a conjunction is preferable) and, at the same time, some soft aspects to his Mars - sextiles or trines from her Mercury, Jupiter, Neptune, Pluto, Moon etc to be in tune with his Mars Neptune trine - which is more of a psychological aspect making someone, for instance, have a very artistic approach on his work or have a lot of erotic fantasies etc.) and this woman should bring a similar or compatible flow of energy to this.

Of course, IMO, the best aspects will be the ones closing the patterns.


I thought this post is in the ideal partner thread, why is it here? And yes, I agree with the hard and soft aspects here. However this is where it gets difficult. Most people have hard and soft aspects to their Venus and Mars at the same time, how can we know their preferences?

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posted June 17, 2014 02:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tulipe, no, I wanted to write about it here because it is related to geometric pattern completion, but in a way you are right, it belongs to ideal partner as well.

About people having both hard and soft aspects to their main attraction planets - Venus and Mars - as I was saying in the above example, when this happens, they probably need both to feel completed. To be honest, in the synastry of long-term couples I see there are A LOT of aspects between the two (with the exception of people having stellium on stellium, like, for instance, Melanie Griffith and Antonio Banderas couple who just split - I was thinking about posting their chart anyway

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Tulipe
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posted June 17, 2014 02:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leeloo, please do. I learn better with illustrations .

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posted June 20, 2014 11:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iman/David Bowie pattern completion

Her TOB is unknown, but I suspect she is a Cap ASC.

A Venus square Moon girl meets a Sun conjunct Mars square Neptune fella.

They also have:

Sun/Moon DW

Venus/Mars DW

Sun/Saturn DW

Mars/Saturn DW

Venus/Jupiter DW

Moon/Uranus DW

Mars/Moon DW

Mars/Neptune DW

Venus/Sun DW

Mercury/Mars DW

and the list goes on and on (with a reserve to her angles and Moon, but it's most likely this)

Apparently both have Vertex axis square NN axis in the same signs (in reverse for the nodes)

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posted July 30, 2014 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorpHnStorM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bump.

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Astro keen
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posted July 31, 2014 02:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I discovered this pattern completion recently.

In addition to the Moon (and Saturn accidentally), it links only Kundalini/Vedic asteroids - I have these in 7 houses at 22 degrees, within an orb of 1 degree either way, whilst he has these in the remaining 5 houses, again at 21/22 degrees. In my natal these include a grand cross and a mystic rectangle. I may be missing seeing other patterns.

Each grand trine below includes a combination of both our points, mostly 2 of mine to 1 of his. So, he completes the grand trine.

Mine: Tara-22.19, Hara-21.4, Hanuman-23.16, Mahakala-22.21, Rudra-22.24, Garuda- 22.37, Moon-22.18

His: Kaali:22.33, Gopalan-22.17, Rudra 19.50, Anand- 20.18, Vesta 21.16

Sacred Geometry indeed!

We have a very pronounced kundalini theme in our composite - from a past life according to iQ. Nothing I would have suspected from present events. So, this 12 star pattern seems to reflects that. I find the configuration magical. It is definitely an unrealised potential in this life/dimension.

Note, I haven't joined all the points in the pattern.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 31, 2014 10:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lovely completion star, AK!


What is Gopalan, Hanuman, Anand?

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Astro keen
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posted July 31, 2014 10:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks!

Gopalan is another name for Krishna, an incarnation of Vishnu. Vishnu, the preserver, being one of the trinity - the 3 aspects of God.

Hanuman, the monkey God, who featured prominently as a supporter and friend of Rama, is supposed to be an incarnation of Shiva. A quote: "Hanuman also rules the Air Element, and indciates how Pranyama Yoga with focus on a Deity burns off Karmic Debts and allows free flow of Kundalini."

Anand means 'joy' or 'spiritual bliss'.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 31, 2014 02:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you!

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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 02, 2014 08:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Our Sun/Moon/angles Hexagon with Jupiter and Saturn and our Zodiacal Star with
NN
ASC/DSC/Saturn
Juno
Sun/Jupiter
Alma/Chiron
IC/MC/Moon
Karma
Moon/Priapus
Sun/Aphrodite
Vesta

(I should have considered Sun/Aphrodite mdp instead of Sun, that's why it's a bit deviated)


Planetary geometry
Grand Crosses:

Mutable: VenusPsyche/MarsEros/Neptune/Ceres Pholus Alma Juno Jupiter etc.

Mutable: Sun/Sun/nodal axis

Fixed: Moon/Moon/LilithJuno/MC/IC

GT:
Air: Venus Mars Pluto (Mars/Mercury)
Air: Mercury/Vesta Juno/Lilith Karma
Air: Uranus Valentine Mercury Saturn
Water: Moon/MC/Vesta Juno/Jupiter Saturn/DSC
Water: Sun Moon Saturn/DSC
Fire: Moon/Priapus NN Alma/Chiron
Fire: NN/IC Chiron Vertex/Union
Earth: ASC/Lilith IC Sun/Aphrodite
Earth: Psyche/Pallas Sun Vedic stellium


What are your Crosses and your Grand Trines?

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Astro keen
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posted August 02, 2014 01:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leeloo,

This applies to a Grand Cross made by Kundalini asteroids in my natal, which is made up of Tara - 22 Leo, Rudra - 22 Taurus, Moon - 22 Aqua, Hara - 21 Sco.

The Masculine Energies of Rudra, and Hara are present in Feminine signs while the Divine Feminine Energy of Tara along with Moon are in Masculine signs. So, a balance is struck. Interesting isn't it! These are also placed at the critical degrees of fixed signs.

The 4 grand trines that complete the 12 star pattern, as in my chart above, bring all the elements into play - therefore, forming the most complete pattern, each grand trine being completed by a combination of his and mine. It seems that balancing forces in synastries between feminine/masculine or mutable/fixed etc are significant and tell a story of their own.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 03, 2014 06:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Leeloo,

This applies to a Grand Cross made by Kundalini asteroids in my natal, which is made up of Tara - 22 Leo, Rudra - 22 Taurus, Moon - 22 Aqua, Hara - 21 Sco.

The Masculine Energies of Rudra, and Hara are present in Feminine signs while the Divine Feminine Energy of Tara along with Moon are in Masculine signs. So, a balance is struck. Interesting isn't it! These are also placed at the critical degrees of fixed signs.

The 4 grand trines that complete the 12 star pattern, as in my chart above, bring all the elements into play - therefore, forming the most complete pattern, each grand trine being completed by a combination of his and mine. It seems that balancing forces in synastries between feminine/masculine or mutable/fixed etc are significant and tell a story of their own.


I love that!

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Tulipe
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posted August 03, 2014 10:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not as sparkling as your synastry but I thought to share our skipped steps superpositions. This is an 8th harmonic/midpoints configuration between his skipped step and mine, each square has a semi-square midpoint.

Never noticed Aphrodite opposite my Sun before , does it mean I have an attractive personality? lol

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posted August 03, 2014 11:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Not as sparkling as your synastry but I thought to share our skipped steps superpositions. This is an 8th harmonic/midpoints configuration between his skipped step and mine, each square has a semi-square midpoint.

Never noticed Aphrodite opposite my Sun before , does it mean I have an attractive personality? lol


an 8-pointed star, my fav
Nope. It means you're gorgeous on the outside

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posted August 03, 2014 12:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
an 8-pointed star, my fav
Nope. It means you're gorgeous on the outside


I can always dream, but thanks lovely Loo, I grin from ear to ear hehehe.

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posted August 03, 2014 12:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Tulipe:
I can always dream, but thanks lovely Loo, I grin from ear to ear hehehe.


I've seen you! You're a hottie


C'mon folks, what are your Grand Trines and your Crosses in synastry?

They are your themes.

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posted August 03, 2014 03:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LeeLoo,

Do you recall suggesting that I needed an opposition to balance my T square and you made several suggestions about how that could be done.

"First of all, you definitely need an opposition, to balance your T square and to form your Kite with Sun-Neptune, Pluto/Jupiter and Pallas."


I checked if the SM had any asteroids, if not planets, what are providing an opposition. Firstly, would you consider that Moon/Jupiter/Pluto are forming a T square with Saturn, since Moon isn't exactly opposite Jupiter/Pluto? I ask this because I noticed that I have Juno at the Jupiter/Moon midpoint exact. And his Juno opposes my Juno, thereby providing the opposition. Now would an asteroid be a mismatch as a point in a kite to counterbalance other heavyweights such a Pluto/Jupiter? Just wondering what you would have thought about this.

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posted August 03, 2014 03:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a valid Cross...you have a T/square with Moon/Pluto/Jupiter/Saturn/Juno, quite a strong one, and the mdp validates it and he brings Juno. I don't understand the Kite question though

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posted August 03, 2014 03:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's me misunderstanding things. You and mentioned -
"you need an opposition, to balance your T square and to form your Kite with Sun-Neptune"

and was conflating the two patterns - a grand cross and a kite. So, to clarify, Juno forms an opposition to form a cross with the T -square, and not a kite. That would involve Pallas and need an opposition in the 9th house.

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posted August 03, 2014 03:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have two T-squares and one of them is also connected to a possible Kite. But if his Juno is opposing your Juno, he can only complete the cross between Moon/Jupiter/Pluto/Saturn/Juno/his Juno. You need a planet/major asteroid on the Taurus cusp for the Cross/Kite formation.

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posted August 03, 2014 03:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. I learn slowly.

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It's OK. You know, the Kite is made of a Minor Triangle and a Grand Trine. You need the leg of the Grand Trine, for you already have the Minor Triangle. Anyway, having a possible Cross/Kite formation in the chart is good for relationships.

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[b]You Complete Me: Grand Trines in Synastry

In our experience, one of the most powerful indicators of special relationships occurs when a simple trine in one person's natal chart is effectively turned into a Grand Trine by another person's planet(s), particularly when it involves personal planets. For example, in one person's chart, Mars is in the early degrees of Sagittarius and trines the Moon in the early degrees of Aries. A planet in the early degrees of Leo would form a Grand Trine in this native's chart, but doesn't exist. Her partner's Sun fills this pattern, as it is in the early degrees of Leo. This powerful connection is especially potent when it is reciprocated. A special bond exists between the natives.


What are your pattern completions in your significant synastries and how do you feel them?[/B]


i guees we have grand trines in earth DW. i'm not sure because aspects might be too wide for synastry.

his mars in taurus (15 degrees)
his moon in virgo (22 degrees)
my sun in capricorn (19 degrees)

my jupiter in taurus (26 degrees)
my sun in capricorn (19 degrees)
his moon in virgo (22 degrees)


if they are tight enough to be felt and it's just not something else in our synastry we have a solid relationship from the 1st date. at our second date we told each other that sitting together and talking makes us feel like we've been together for 20 years. like we've been together since our birth and we'll be together until the day we die.
or like i said something else makes us feel this way i don't know.


and i'm not sure maybe it's our venuses in each other's 6th house. but we always try to comfort each other physically. when i get sick he's my nurse. when he wakes up i ask him if he needs some water. small stuff like these.

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++ Would a Part of Fortune and the descendant be candidates in a configuration? I never knew the angles could be part of one but of course they can... wondering about the Arabic parts now...

For instance, red's POF (conjunct blue's Juno-Union) trines red's Desc/Juno, (and maybe blue's Descendant too?), blue's moon/Neptune trines these, and red's Moon/blue's Chiron make the opposition/sextiles?


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Also I just realized there are two kites in our composite? Kites are so far the only one I'm trained to recognize--as of last week. exciting stuff...

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