posted June 17, 2014 10:51 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
My view on ideal romantic synastry is that it will feature the following aspects (we are talking ideal here, how your "final" partner looks like, your "twinflame"):

1. Sun/Moon DW
1. Venus/Mars DW
3. a completion of the natal patterns

IMO, anyone with a T/square needs a fourth leg to feel complete, to begin working on the 5th element (the vertical springing from the Cross's center) with the other person; anyone with a trine needs a third leg etc. -it's the reconstruction of the Androgyne projected on synastric geometric completion

4. Saturn to luminaries
5. similar or complementary aspects
6. the other's planets in your primary/secondary love houses (and viceversa)
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From this perspective, a first glance at your chart shows:

you need something in 4-7 Aries
you need something opposing your Saturn

and then the hunt begins, to choose the best planets that can be there, taking into account the rest of the necessary requirements for this ideal profile

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Sun/Moon DW - Which is in part why I asked about "his" Moon, since it'll have no aspect to my Sun. At most there's maybe a chance of an inconjunct if Moon is still in Capricorn (which I'd prefer not), but that's not the best.

You mentioned an 8-point star or something, are we talking septile aspects or squares or what for your basis? As far as I see it, if my ASC-angle counts, main thing I'm missing from a Star of David potential is the early Aries spot as well. Funnily enough if I've checked celeb charts, usually it's the wives who have something touching there, not the man, as if I'd get along better with the wives instead of the starting points for any astro-checks. *shrug*

With my other rectangle, did you mean Mars-Pluto-Neptune or were you actually thinking of the ASC-Pluto-DC wedge completion? Because either way it leads to the Star/rectangles, but I thought of the planet one first instead of the angle potential.

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You write elsewhere: "I always use these asteroids: Juno, Ceres, Vesta, Amor, Valentine, Lust, if the synastry looks like a romantic one. They are the asteroids of marriage type relationships.

Ceres seems to figure prominently in long-term relationship charts, it is often on an angle or in a focal position, part of patterns or involved in nice conjunctions or soft aspects with Sun, Moon, Venus, Juno etc., most often in DW."

I thought about mentioning that my Vesta is at 0 Aries, Ceres-Pomona-name asteroid at 8 Gemini, but left them. Lust at 26 Sagittarius. Ceres presumably works with your planned Gemini Venus thing as well. Another name asteroid is at 4 Libra and their midpoint is conveniently on my Ascendant. I also at first wasn't supposed to be given the name I was, so things worked on that front as well. A third one of sorts is seconds from my Sun, the second closest asteroid to it so far if I recall, after Tinker (which I could also twist for meanings at my end).

posted June 18, 2014 08:37 AM              

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Originally posted by Keela:
Sun/Moon DW - Which is in part why I asked about "his" Moon, since it'll have no aspect to my Sun. At most there's maybe a chance of an inconjunct if Moon is still in Capricorn (which I'd prefer not), but that's not the best.

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There are no "bad" and "good" aspects in my view, Keela, each serve a purpose, bring a certain energy, with good and bad. The quincunx in its best form brings pleasant surprises between the quincunxed planets, some constantly surprising you in that area, but the planets are already in aspect, they work together, they are a team. To me, all aspects mean connections. Lack of aspect is no connection.

It is difficult to have Sun/Moon AND Venus/Mars DW in a synastry with only ptolemaic aspects between these four.

here is a thread where I describe what I consider a DW
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/227344.html

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You mentioned an 8-point star or something, are we talking septile aspects or squares or what for your basis? As far as I see it, if my ASC-angle counts, main thing I'm missing from a Star of David potential is the early Aries spot as well. Funnily enough if I've checked celeb charts, usually it's the wives who have something touching there, not the man, as if I'd get along better with the wives instead of the starting points for any astro-checks. *shrug*

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an 8 pointed star is made of two Grand Crosses intertwined in the middle, more or less.

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With my other rectangle, did you mean Mars-Pluto-Neptune or were you actually thinking of the ASC-Pluto-DC wedge completion? Because either way it leads to the Star/rectangles, but I thought of the planet one first instead of the angle potential.

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your other rectangle is Mars Pluto Neptune yes, but I'm sure with such a pretty and complex geometric chart as yours, there are many other patterns to be completed, possibly with asteroids as well.

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You write elsewhere: "I always use these asteroids: Juno, Ceres, Vesta, Amor, Valentine, Lust, if the synastry looks like a romantic one. They are the asteroids of marriage type relationships.

Ceres seems to figure prominently in long-term relationship charts, it is often on an angle or in a focal position, part of patterns or involved in nice conjunctions or soft aspects with Sun, Moon, Venus, Juno etc., most often in DW."

I thought about mentioning that my Vesta is at 0 Aries, Ceres-Pomona-name asteroid at 8 Gemini, but left them. Lust at 26 Sagittarius. Ceres presumably works with your planned Gemini Venus thing as well. Another name asteroid is at 4 Libra and their midpoint is conveniently on my Ascendant. I also at first wasn't supposed to be given the name I was, so things worked on that front as well. A third one of sorts is seconds from my Sun, the second closest asteroid to it so far if I recall, after Tinker (which I could also twist for meanings at my end).

Given that there is Vesta trine Juno, I imagine you'd want something for around 1 Sag. Draconic Juno is 5 Sag opposite the Mars stuff.

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posted June 18, 2014 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Meissieri, you have a nice chart for completion. AS you can see, you only need one placement for a Castle pointing in your 2nd house Pluto.

In order to include the Sun, we need an additional configuration: I recommend a Grand Trine with his Aries Moon in your 7th and your Vesta.

For the rest, the compulsory Pisces placement to complete the Castle - I wouldn't choose a Pisces Sun for you, despite your 12th house, because of your Sun and ASC. His Sun should be in Leo or Virgo, falling into your secondary 5th, with Venus on your Mars or in Taurus with Venus opp your Pluto trine your Mars, his Sun trine your Moon etc.

Jupiter in Pisces, maybe?? Or something else, in early degrees - Juno or a major asteroid would be nice too. His Mars in late Pisces opp your Venus, making a possible additional cross for you, with some asteroids.

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Hey! Thank you so much for taking a look at my chart. I can see a lot of your choices, yes. That bowl does give a lot of options for completing, I agree. Probably one of the few good things about it, ha.

If you don't mind, I don't really know what that pattern means, actually. I'm in for having my Pluto aspected, though! And yes, a well-placed planet in Taurus gets nearly my whole chart and falling in that deep and passionate 8th house.

And *gasp* the Mars-Saturn square man I talked to you about (if you even remember) had so many of these placements! Indeed Jupiter in Pisces, Taurus sun trine my moon exact, Aries moon trining my Sun-SN and Vesta. Oh man, no wonder I was so attracted to him right away. I remember feeling literal sparks whenever I touched him, even accidentally.

The Cross with opposing my Venus/Juno or my Mercury especially appeals to me. Instantly drawn to them like crazy! They really seem to hold the key to solve that T-square problem.

Venus touching my Mars is very nice, makes me take much more action in going after him. But I also like to have my own Venus touched. 8th house ruler, you know? Works like a charm every time, doesn't matter what the aspect is.

Haha, my chart really points at my secondary 5th house, right? Better match than in Aquarius, I agree. It's just... easier than getting so many harsh aspects Aquarius would make.

posted June 18, 2014 03:54 PM            

Right off the bat: Capricorn placements or Saturn in aspect to their personal planets. That Saturn on the Descendant definitely points at someone with that kind of energy. If they're in Capricorn, they'd fall into your first house, which is always nice as an overlay. Possibly opposing your Saturn, too.

Then ruled by the moon in Leo in your 7th house, which is even intercepted, some Leo would activate that part of your chart - make it come alive, so to say. If on your moon, I imagine the effect would be even stronger.

Early Gemini planets would close your T-square, and even more: they'd fall either in your 4th house - your secondary 7th for Cancer DSC - or your 5th, which may again give a Leo vibe. Even more, Gemini fits perfectly with your 5th house and secondary 8th. Mercury in your 8th gives another pull towards the twins.

Then wow, what a tight conjunction of Jupiter and Juno as the apex! Even more, your 7th house ruler is again involved. What do you think about Sagittarius? Maybe even the Sag/Pisces combo somewhere. Very mutual, but also the guru/teacher type, spiritual. I admit I haven't looked much into yods/arrows yet, but it could be important for you.

You have such an emphasis on your 8th house - 4 planets and Venus on the cusp. He should definitely have some Pluto energy somewhere. Your 8th house ruler is even conjunct Pluto, giving it more emphasis. Maybe a planet on your MC? It would give you a Capricorn vibe (Saturn conj your Descendant), trine your Descendant, sextile your Ascendant and sun. Lots of potential to hit many aspects of your chart. Something mid-Scorpio.

Hmm. A Cancer or Leo can have their Venus in Gemini (and for Cancer also their Mercury), so that could be great. Then the moon in either Capricorn or Scorpio. I'm especially feeling a Scorpio moon on your MC - again matching that Cancer/Capricorn axis, but his Cap moon on your Ascendant would be nice too, I bet. Capricorn Mars conjunct your Ascendant would please your 8th house Mars a lot, though, especially having Aries as your secondary 5th house. Or having it again on your MC. I think either combo would work.

Early Pisces rising matches the symbolism of Juno and it'd put your Venus on his Descendant with your sun in his 7th house. Then your Libra planets either at the end of his 7th or in his 8th. Nice way to overlay his houses, right?

Sagittarius matches your symbolism, too, and I'm thinking an Ascendant around the degree of your North Node would be attractive. He could guide you to your goals just by his general personality and image. Maybe they could have Jupiter in the other sign, which are both good signs for Jupiter. Or maybe some asteroids?

In short... I keep seeing these signs show up: Cancer, Capricorn, Leo, Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, Pisces, Scorpio and Aries. That's a lot to choose from. My votes would go for Sagittarius or Pisces rising with Jupiter in the other sign, Capricorn Mars/Moon, Scorpio Mars/Moon and then a combo of Gemini/Cancer/Leo or Cancer/Leo/Virgo for personal planets. They could have some romance asteroids in Aries or maybe a Node trining your Sag NN.

I think I got them all now.

posted June 18, 2014 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
The quincunx in its best form brings pleasant surprises between the quincunxed planets, some constantly surprising you in that area, but the planets are already in aspect, they work together, they are a team. To me, all aspects mean connections. Lack of aspect is no connection.

It is difficult to have Sun/Moon AND Venus/Mars DW in a synastry with only ptolemaic aspects between these four.

Everything connected in a closed pattern in synastry suggests a bond and a long-term structure. The more closed patterns there are, the stronger the bond.

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posted June 18, 2014 06:29 PM              

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Originally posted by Keela:
Point was that there isn't even a 150 degree aspect unless the something is in Capricorn, too. The pattern may look visible from your "above" but going to a 5 degree orb on that aspect seems pointless for the early Aquarian degrees or anything possibly closer to the ASC. I'm potentially more fond of 72 and 51,5 degree aspects or even the novile than 150, but that's irrelevant as opposed to the aspect not being there if the orb is wonky. Is this Mercury retrograde repeating the same things at the other?

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posted June 19, 2014 08:12 AM              

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Lee Leo, based on your chart I would say a sensitive, reliable but somehow mysterious handsome guy

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posted June 19, 2014 08:39 AM              

I don't know if you noticed, but the placement on MC also closes my only loose trine, Jupiter - Saturn. A luminary there seems immediately like a great idea, because it would be connected to my Sun, Moon, ASC, DSC, IC, MC etc, also make a required luminary to Saturn connection, with a nice luminary to Jupiter trine as a bonus.

But I am the most impressed that you guessed the placements of my current love. Are you a psychic? Lucky girl as I am now, you would not believe it, but this man's Moon is 16.29 Scorpio, my MC 16.44 Scorpio!

He is a Pisces Sun opposing my Sun by 1 deg.
He has Saturn on MC exact square his ASC/DSC and Sun (poor guy lol), Capricorn Cancer intercepted in 4th and 10th, my ASC in the middle of his interception.

His Saturn squares my Sun (loosely), my Saturn integrates his Sun/Moon trine. His Saturn also quintiles my Moon, exact, so a DW Sun Moon Saturn.

His Mars is there, at 7 Gemini
His Venus trines my Mars/Pluto/Mercury, Venus in Aqua in my 1st, my interception, with a bunch of other asteroids there, all opposing my Moon.

Somehow, I love Leo energy, but I always see Leo Suns as friends, never fell in love with one of the many Leos I know. perhaps my Leo Moon is very strong by herself, and in need to shine, because of her interception?

Or perhaps it's my need for mystery.

This man, just as you described , has Pluto conjunct ASC, quindecile Sun.

His ASC in late Virgo conjuncts my Mars/Pluto, so yes, another good guess about Mars/ASC connection for me. I wouldn't have preferred his Mars on ASC because it wouldn't have been connected to my Venus.

I hope all these are good news. Wishing you the best!

posted June 19, 2014 11:57 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Enneline, you described him perfectly - my ideal guy. Thank you!

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My heart skipped a beat reading Enneline's description lol.

posted June 19, 2014 12:17 PM              

and what about me?

posted June 19, 2014 03:02 PM              

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
My heart skipped a beat reading Enneline's description lol.

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posted June 19, 2014 03:04 PM              

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Originally posted by Enneline:
yes, the perfect Gentleman who seems to be a secret Agent in secret

and what about me?

I just date losers and those with good looks & Background cause...guess what in me

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posted June 19, 2014 03:13 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Wow..cool chart! I'm working on his profile

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posted June 19, 2014 03:25 PM              

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Originally posted by meissieri:
Can I have a try, too? Now I want to see how much overlap we get.

Or else I'll just wait for LeeLoo's interpretation.

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posted June 19, 2014 03:35 PM              

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Originally posted by meissieri:
Can I have a try, too? Now I want to see how much overlap we get.

Or else I'll just wait for LeeLoo's interpretation.

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posted June 19, 2014 03:40 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Enneline: profession: boss of an ONG dealing with helping people or something artistic or related to anything involving creativity (I mean it: do you like that?)

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posted June 19, 2014 03:46 PM              

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Originally posted by Enneline:
are you an artist, leeloo?

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I'm an artist, yes, that's why I was thinking you could be my manager, trying to make some connections here I hope you didn't pay that astrologer, why did she say that? Your Mercury (3rd ruler) is in Leo conjuncts Jupiter and very well aspected, even connected to Uranus. You have a strong chart.