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LeeLoo2014
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posted June 14, 2014 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Oh yes, how you can come up with these great ideas I don't know . I'm touched by the Yod in the Composite for your father lol, I wonder how would you interpret that Moon conjunct Pluto in 12th. And those two Kite point to Venus/Vertex and Mercury chart ruler, DSC on Venus/Mercury midpoint too, he must have been drunk by love that day lol.

Now I'm going to examine my charts , I have Vertex on DSC in my composite with the FM too.



Yeah, you should see the photos, he looks kind of drunk and amazed lol I wonder if it's not the city hall champagne Nah, they have been so much in love! I still have those charts to analyze. Can't wait to see yours too!

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posted June 14, 2014 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IntuitiveJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His FM chart synastry. His TOB unknown
He is on the inside

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posted June 14, 2014 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Yeah, you should see the photos, he looks kind of drunk and amazed lol I wonder if it's not the city hall champagne Nah, they have been so much in love! I still have those charts to analyze. Can't wait to see yours too!

I don't know why but your father's Composite makes me think of my father's grin in his wedding day, everybody says he looked like a monkey with that ear-to-ear grin . I'll wait for your take on those charts, looking forward to exchange ideas with you. Of course I will post my chart with my interpretation for experiment lol.

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posted June 14, 2014 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IntuitiveJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And both composites with first meeting

Mine
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His (TOB unknown)
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posted June 14, 2014 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Anyway after the break a colleague came onto stage with him, looked at the notepad, chuckled and said to the audience: "I have to read this aloud for you: He wrote: `Breathe in. Breathe out. The lady in the 2nd row, to the far right, is driving me completely crazy. I even messed up my lines during the song xy hugely."


Well, of course it was a joke, and the audience was laughing, and I was laughing, too at first, until the realization hit me WHO was sitting in 2nd row, and from his perspective, on the far right side.
Which would have been yours truely.'

Really?? How about that! I've seen from your pictures...when you shine, you really shine, Ceri

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posted June 14, 2014 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Really?? How about that! I've seen from your pictures...when you shine, you really shine, Ceri

LOL
Thanks. I guess I might have a good phase.

He was giving me quite a bit attention even on monday, but seriously it took me by surprise.

It`s more than a bit of a pattern change (our usual pattern is complete and utter ignorance lol).

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posted June 14, 2014 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Tulipe:
I don't know why but your father's Composite makes me think of my father's grin in his wedding day, everybody says he looked like a monkey with that ear-to-ear grin . I'll wait for your take on those charts, looking forward to exchange ideas with you. Of course I will post my chart with my interpretation for experiment lol.


Yes, exactly, lol...there's something about men and wedding photos...they look like a mixture of "I'm screwed' "Look how important I am now, I'm a hubbie" and, of course "I'm in love, I must be!"

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posted June 15, 2014 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mother and Wedding

The Sun is in the 11th, just like in her natal. She also has an exact Sun/Uranus in the natal - this event is the "right place" for her.

Also, she has a natal Cap ASC and stellium, here we have a 10th house emphasis, with chart ruler Mars in 10th - she has Mars in Cap conjunct ASC in natal

The event brought her the official wife status (10th as angular and a marriage house)l plus after the marriage she immediately started hard work and being a mother etc.

Interestingly, the stellium here is an Aqua, father's sign, with Venus conjunct father's sun

Love signs here:

Sun opp Pluto with Pluto in 5th conjunct POF and Vesta (she has a Moon conjunct Pluto in the natal)
7th house ruler Moon conjunct Union, her own DSC ruler, in 3rd (her natal secondary love house), speaking of a free, harmonious sharing of feelings through words

vertex conjunct DSC
Amor opposite Eros and valentine
Venus conjunct Alma
Amor trine Moon etc.

MC ruler the same as her natal chart ruler - the basis of a long term relationship, well integrated into her life


Father and Wedding

Sun directly in 7th, Venus conjunct Vertex on DSC, ASC/Mc ruler right on DSC, dispositor part of the love Yod and making a dreamy rectangle with Jupiter, Eros/Vesta and Moon/Pluto - connected to a GC with Alma Uranus - this is a love union, with deep feelings (interestingly, Moon Pluto in Leo mimics mother's natal placement, plus he has a natal Scorpio Moon)

NN/Psyche conjunct IC - coming home, not only in practice, but also on a soul level

Mars trine Saturn makes a great Kite with ASC/DSC and the chart rulers - additional long-termness sign, with Mars opposite Union as well, trines chart/MC ruler

Just like in mother's chart, many signs here of long-termness and love.

Venus, his DSC ruler is right on DSC here
Neptune, his 5th house ruler, in multiple love connections
and Mercury his 8th house ruler, is now the ruler of this chart, sitting where it should


7th house in this chart is the same as his 5th house in the natal. He has Uranus in his natal 7th (and mother, she is an exact Sun Uranus opp !), here Uranus makes an exact trine with the Sun, opposes Alma and makes a pretty sextile with Valentine in the 1st.

That's a nice love chart!

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posted June 15, 2014 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IntuitiveJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My FM chart synastry- all times are correct
I am on the inside

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Bumping just to ask if anyone knows what the "star" (I don't know what else to call it!) in the center is called in synastry? I looked at patterns but can't fig it out!

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posted June 15, 2014 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri, next time you notice he's paying attention to you again, scream to him "I love you too!"

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I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.

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posted June 15, 2014 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
Bumping just to ask if anyone knows what the "star" (I don't know what else to call it!) in the center is called in synastry? I looked at patterns but can't fig it out!


IntuitiveJ, I haven't had the chance to look at your charts, but I will. What star? You mean those 3 opp? You basically have 3 Grand Crosses there.

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posted June 15, 2014 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Ceri, next time you notice he's paying attention to you again, scream to him "I love you too!"


It`s too late.

It just sucks all the more, knowing that he felt or even feels *something*

But you know what? It doesn`t change the fact that he has a girlfriend, who is pregnant with his child.

I wouldn`t have thought this could have been any harder, but to know that there actually probably was a chance somewhen in the past, and we missed it. I missed it.

This is beyond cruel.


Unfortunately knowing this doesn`t really help switching off my feelings.

Well I guess he is driving me crazy, too.


I just wonder what could I have done? What should I have done? When?

I suppose no answers to this one though.


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I'm sorry if I made you feel worse with my joke, I thought you were getting over him. And about the situation. Do you know if he was single when you met?
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posted June 15, 2014 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Intuitive,

Unfortunately with his TOB unknown, it's hard to tell the impact on him, we can't analyze the house overlays, neither in synastry nor composite. But with Uranus on his Moon, Sun on his Venus, he must have felt it, all right. There are also some karmic markers: Juno conjunct Karma, Uranus on DSC, Alma on Sun/Saturn pointing to the possibility of finding a destined partner. The same theme is in the composite, with Moon Venus and Uranus and Juno conjunct Psyche.

I'll look at yours now.

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posted June 15, 2014 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see a romantic impact for you, Intuitive, everything points to a meeting important for your self-fulfillment and self-expansion, also it is very work or business or social related in both charts. However, I see you had your nodal return then, so this is generally a period of very important, life changing meetings.

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posted June 15, 2014 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IntuitiveJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I don't see a romantic impact for you, Intuitive, everything points to a meeting important for your self-fulfillment and self-expansion, also it is very work or business or social related in both charts. However, I see you had your nodal return then, so this is generally a period of very important, life changing meetings.

Thank you for looking at the charts!
Interestingly I am the one who sees him as my ideal partner- I feel tremendous romantic feelings for him. There's a very intense physical attraction between us but he "runs". I've been trying to understand why I feel so strongly for him- it never ever wavers.
*sigh*
Yes I guess it was the grand crosses I was seeing that looked like the star pattern to me

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posted June 15, 2014 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IntuitiveJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Intuitive,

Unfortunately with his TOB unknown, it's hard to tell the impact on him, we can't analyze the house overlays, neither in synastry nor composite. But with Uranus on his Moon, Sun on his Venus, he must have felt it, all right. There are also some karmic markers: Juno conjunct Karma, Uranus on DSC, Alma on Sun/Saturn pointing to the possibility of finding a destined partner. The same theme is in the composite, with Moon Venus and Uranus and Juno conjunct Psyche.

I'll look at yours now.


Thank you. This makes sense as well.
I believe he does see me as ideal.
He's afraid.
We also have juno conjunct psyche in our regular composite. Exact venus conjunct pluto in synastry. Exact Eros conjunct valentine. His NN and valentine on my DSC & sun & his sun on my Asc.
I feel as if there's no way to know which way life is going to take us but I'm so afraid of never letting him know my true feelings for him. I try & surrender...

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posted June 15, 2014 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It`s too late.

It just sucks all the more, knowing that he felt or even feels *something*

But you know what? It doesn`t change the fact that he has a girlfriend, who is pregnant with his child.

I wouldn`t have thought this could have been any harder, but to know that there actually probably was a chance somewhen in the past, and we missed it. I missed it.

This is beyond cruel.


Unfortunately knowing this doesn`t really help switching off my feelings.

Well I guess he is driving me crazy, too.


I just wonder what could I have done? What should I have done? When?

I suppose no answers to this one though.



I don't think you should blame yourself at all, Ceri. Remember about that computer malfunction and the fact that you didn't receive (or knew if you did) his answer? You DID approach him and contacted him, but that was a divine intervention, I think; personally, I have a strong belief in the universe moving things towards the best. I know it's not a comfort for you now, but maybe there is a meaning to that. Even if you don't end up together, I'm pretty sure he's leading you, one way or another, even spiritually, to a happy love.

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posted June 15, 2014 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
Thank you. This makes sense as well.
I believe he does see me as ideal.
He's afraid.
We also have juno conjunct psyche in our regular composite. Exact venus conjunct pluto in synastry. Exact Eros conjunct valentine. His NN and valentine on my DSC & sun & his sun on my Asc.
I feel as if there's no way to know which way life is going to take us but I'm so afraid of never letting him know my true feelings for him. I try & surrender...


Why would he be afraid? Intuitive, please don't believe this. If a man loves you or sees you as his potential partner, you will know, he will try to make you his, to keep you for himself. Forgive me if I seem harsh, but things are that simple IMO

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posted June 15, 2014 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IntuitiveJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Why would he be afraid? Intuitive, please don't believe this. If a man loves you or sees you as his potential partner, you will know, he will try to make you his, to keep you for himself. Forgive me if I seem harsh, but things are that simple IMO

I agree.
He was burned by his ex wife so he has fear of getting burned again.
I know exactIy what you mean- however I have not been able to mentally let go of he & I developing into a romantic partnership. To me- no one else compares. Maybe one day I'll have the courage to actually say the words.
Until then I try & live my life & focus on myself. Thanks LeeLoo...and I do agree with you.

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posted June 15, 2014 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Composite with the First Meeting chart:

The Sun in 2nd house. I have Taurus ASC, so 2nd house matters have double importance for me, especially when I have Chiron there. This meeting brings light to my wounds. Composite Karma opposite Pholus in 2nd/8th axis, a karmic meeting that has soul impact. Sun is also the chart ruler, sextile Saturn in 4th house, it has potential for long-term, I think.

Venus in 1st in a T-square with Saturn in 4th and Uranus in 7th. It was a 'coup de foudre', and Saturn there makes sure I won't fly off the handle lol.

Moon conjunct Alma in 4th (sweet!) in a Thor's hammer with Mars in 12th and Uranus in 7th. Again, I'm being striked hard lol, can't remain immuned to him. The Moon/Alma is also on my natal DSC, I thought I found the perfect partner ^^.

That Kite with Pluto in 5th at the apex is the beauty of the composite. Because I met him when I just have a Jupiter return, it was a time of deep impact for me, that Neptune/Moira in 7th is actually on my natal MC, Pluto is right on my natal Sun: I'm being transformed by love, especially the way I am, because I have Sun square Moon in my natal.

I wonder what does BML on South Node in 12th mean, could it be I'm to come into my power by this meeting?

Composite Juno on my natal Vertex, hmm, I found myself a partner?


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posted June 15, 2014 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I won't comment on that Thor's Hammer

OK, what do we have here?

Of course, your interpr already say it all

I think Lilith there on SN and in 12th disposited by the Moon in Scorpio has something to do with issues of femininity, transformation related to the feminine, feminine empowerment brought into light, with a happy ultimate outcome, being trined by POF.

It's a very intense chart. Especially with Jupiter/Valentine Union opp and Pluto in 5th, ASC on 0 Leo ( it brings a beginning with something) - intense!

The Thor's Hammer is definitely the core of the chart and connected to a bit widish but still valid Yod with Union and DSC pointing to Destinn, more or less. Couldn't get rid of Uranus as DSC ruler, conjunct Amor squaring the Moon/Alma Mars and Saturn as the future of the relationship, though (MC, NN rulers). Interestingly, they both pass by Pluto and lead to the Sun. it's such a pretty Kite with Mercury (Sun disp), Jupiter/Valentine, Neptune, pointing more to Pluto/Union mdp awwww

I also like Mars semisextile Jupiter/Valentine (the masculine side)

And Venus semisextile Sun (I see it as the feminine side in this chart, since it's you and FM)

A nice love pair.

What about him?

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posted June 15, 2014 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm beginning to think I wouldn't have fallen in love if not for Uranus makes an apparition somewhere.

Anw, for him:

He's no less impacted lol.

Sun in 11th house, it's his secondary 4th house. I suppose Uranus is where his deepest feelings lie. Composite Sun conjunct Mars/North Node trine Uranus/Union right on the IC. He's not being called Mr. Uranus for nothing. I suppose he must've been in love too, as that Sun MC ruler conjunct Mars DSC ruler opposite Venus chart ruler in 5th house in a wedge with Uranus IC ruler on IC/Union. Moon in 6th conjunct Chiron it must feel like heaven, at least for a while. Saturn and Mercury in 12th opposite Moon/Chiron/Karma, a soulful karmic meeting.

He also have two Kites, one point to Uranus/Union on IC, one point to Pluto/Juno on AntiVertex. Even that Juno/Pluto beauty conjunct his natal Uranus his IC ruler .

Sun/Mars/North Node in Yod with BML in 4th and DSC/POF. His chart is no less intense, and it tells the same story as mine, I think. A fated, transformative meeting with a happy outcome.

The ASC for his chart indicates something that comes to an end for him, funny that mine indicates a beginning.

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posted June 16, 2014 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LeeLoo,

Looking at the Fm synastry and composite seems to be revealing and helpful. More came to light with these, a sharper focus perhaps than with the natal synastry and composite, or so it seems to me.

However, as a result of these investigations, I happened to look at the synastry with my ex-husband - an awful marriage, which left me greatly damaged. I was surprised to find that the synastry showed many key SM markers. How could that be? Perhaps they were relevant only for the early days? In contrast, the planet aspects were troublesome and surely took precedence.

For example, we had - Mars opposite Mars, Mars opposite Uranus, Venus and Saturn opposite Pluto.
BUT these co-existed with -
Alma conjunct Juno
Juno conjunct: Karma/Destin
Alma conjunct Vertex/NN
Psyche trine Valentine
and many more similar ones

This makes me wonder whether one should be assigning great significance to such aspects. In no way were these predictive here.


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posted June 16, 2014 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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LeeLoo,

Looking at the Fm synastry and composite seems to be revealing and helpful. More came to light with these, a sharper focus perhaps than with the natal synastry and composite, or so it seems to me.

However, as a result of these investigations, I happened to look at the synastry with my ex-husband - an awful marriage, which left me greatly damaged. I was surprised to find that the synastry showed many key SM markers. How could that be? Perhaps they were relevant only for the early days? In contrast, the planet aspects were troublesome and surely took precedence.

For example, we had - Mars opposite Mars, Mars opposite Uranus, Venus and Saturn opposite Pluto.
BUT these co-existed with -
Alma conjunct Juno
Juno conjunct: Karma/Destin
Alma conjunct Vertex/NN
Psyche trine Valentine
and many more similar ones

This makes me wonder whether one should be assigning great significance to such aspects. In no way were these predictive here.



This is very interesting, Asro Keen. Could you post the synastry and composite with your ex husband?

That's why looking for asteroids is not a good idea, it can be very misleading, if the planetary synastry is not very good or it doesn't point to a soulful romantic union.

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