posted June 30, 2014 03:00 PM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
@Gabby

He must be my age. A few months older, my Mars is in Cancer. We have Kaali too.
Uranus 4 Libra
Karma 4 Libra
Karma 3Gemini
Venus 4 Aqua
Kaali 3/Parvati 5 Taurus (his Siva 1Aqua)
SN and NN 3 and 1 Pisces/Virgo
Parvati 3 Pisces
Destinn 6 Cancer
Spirit 2 Leo

If you have a chance to try again you must. Even if it means heartbreak. I know you have been going through an awakening, what about him? Did this have any spiritual effect on him? Following surfers, that is even worse!

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I'm not sure if he is going through an awakening...I seem to bring that stuff out of him though. Whenever we are in constant communication he makes strides and starts questioning his life choices, he definitely has a spiritual side but is not around ppl who bring that out in him.
Pluto will be transiting his AC and 1st house very soon, he has 2 degrees before it's exact on his AC, I'm not sure what will happen there? Pluto lives on my AC so if it's anything like I've known....I hope he's going to make it through ok...Pluto doesn't allow you to lie to yourself about anything!

It's odd how we can go 6 months not talking at all, then we communicate for 15 minutes and in that 15 minutes have epiphanies or I accidentally say something that was a major part of his life that was also a major part of my life...we did not know we had that in common.
Last time we were talking about the government and I said it's going to come to a civil war! Then jokingly started saying that speech, "What we got here is failure to communicate" he started laughing and told me throughout his college years he used that speech as his answering machine message, it was one of his favorite speeches.
I said that's so perfect especially because the next line, "Some men you just can't reach" he totally cracked up and said somehow he had miss that part fitting so well to, he'd always focused on the "failure to communicate".
I myself had that speech posted on my wall as a teenager, it was one of my favorites also.
He asked me how it was that I could get deeper into head every time we talked, like I know things about him nobody else would know unless they had lived it with him. My answer was, "???? Not a clue!!" Lol

posted June 30, 2014 08:55 PM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
I don't think this is the same feeling. I have felt the "chemical" reaction many times when attracted to people. I have never felt this type of energy with anyone else. If I had to try and describe it simply, I would say it feels like you are two giant magnets pulling on each other. I always knew when he entered the room even with my backed turned because I felt his energy. Chakras are definitely involved. I'm assuming this energy helps create the great physical attraction, too. I have never been more attracted to anyone. He is the best looking man in the world to me. More attractive than any actor or rockstar. Wild Horses says she only feels spiritual love but that isn't my experience. I'm in the lust camp! I guess this is what they call "the third energy".

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I think I need to point out that there is a big difference between the desire to make love/merge, and lust (physical chemistry). This love making and merging of energies, or Divine Union/Hieros Gamos/Sacred Union (or whatever you want to call it) is what results in "The Third Energy". It comes from a place a pure love, a pure energy. Where as lust is founded in the physical...

If a set of "twins" does happen to meet up and experience a physical relationship (that happens to include a romantic aspect) in a particular life time, then it's perfectly natural (and expected) that physical chemistry will also play a role in enhancing the experience.

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Sensitive topic here... but I've been impressed and depressed lately by the rather numerous accounts of Twinflame stories connected to some unrequited love situation of sorts. My heart is with all these stories in a way that I can't describe properly in words My mind wants to understand.

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These are some thoughts I shared on another forum, and thought I'd share them here as well:

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Too often people confuse infatuation/limerence (physical chemistry) and emotions, addiction, co dependency, obsession, jealousy, possessiveness, and the "pain" that accompanies these traits, with Love. Love is not connected to or interchangeable with any of those traits, as these traits are the result of afflictions within the Ego and immaturity, not Love. It seems like there are a lot of people that have an attachment to the "TF" label as an excuse for dysfunctional behavior, and/or as a romantic interest/ideal. That is not what this Divine Union is about.

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I'll add that I too understand that there maybe things that "twins" have to work through, should they physically come together within a life time. Life on earth is hard, and it can have quite an affect on us...There is a lot of healing and purging that can take place upon (re)union, and some of those things listed above maybe the the things one needs to work through for a union to happen, but you definitely have to be in the right place to handle that, as it can be a very difficult process. It is indeed a tough and painful process, but (in my opinion) that pain does not come in the form of abuse or intent to harm from one "twin" to another. This Union does not encourage dysfunction in any form, it is precisely the opposite...

posted June 30, 2014 09:56 PM            

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Originally posted by MorpHnStorM:
I think I need to point out that there is a [b]big difference between the desire to make love/merge, and lust (physical chemistry). This love making and merging of energies, or Divine Union/Hieros Gamos/Sacred Union (or whatever you want to call it) is what results in "The Third Energy". It comes from a place a pure love, a pure energy. Where as lust is founded in the physical...

If a set of "twins" does happen to meet up and experience a physical relationship (that happens to include a romantic aspect) in a particular life time, then it's perfectly natural (and expected) that physical chemistry will also play a role in enhancing the experience.

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posted July 01, 2014 06:22 AM              

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Originally posted by MorpHnStorM:
I'll add that I too understand that there maybe things that "twins" have to work through, should they physically come together within a life time. Life on earth is hard, and it can have quite an affect on us...There is a lot of healing and purging that can take place upon (re)union, and some of those things listed above maybe the the things one needs to work through for a union to happen, but you definitely have to be in the right place to handle that, as it can be a very difficult process. It is indeed a tough and painful process, but (in my opinion) that pain does not come in the form of abuse or intent to harm from one "twin" to another. This Union does not encourage dysfunction in any form, it is precisely the opposite...

Just a few of my thoughts on the subject.

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Great post Morph

It is indeed a tough and painful process, but (in my opinion) that pain does not come in the form of abuse or intent to harm from one "twin" to another. This Union does not encourage dysfunction in any form, it is precisely the opposite...

I agree...if there's any hindrance or obstacle or delay, it comes from two sources:

- external factors which come from the necessity for TF to "align" their lives in order for the Union to take place

- the need for some TF to retreat after the initial encounter and purge some inner/outer things, process the information and prepare for a possible reunion. When the Union presents some difficulties for taking place (like both or one of the TF being involved with someone else, of course there's a retreat - BUT in my opinion, TFs know they will soon be reunited, and if the external factors are outside their control, they know/feel fate will reunite them)

posted July 01, 2014 06:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I believe in the TF relationships you will always see these activated in some way, the relationships energy is what helps wakes us up to our deeper purpose, gives us a means to connect in our earthly/physical form to our higher self and the powerful energy we have hidden dormant inside us.
The TF relationship to me is less about the relationship and more about the awakening that happens because of the relationship.

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posted July 01, 2014 06:39 AM              

We've all known it or will experience it, in one form or another, at some point.

A few non-astrological considerations...

It seems to me there's almost always a connection between UNREQUITED and UNATTAINABLE.

Apparently, someone lives an unrequited love when he/she falls in love with an unattainable person. Usually the reasons are (there are many cases, I'm just highlighting a few which seem to be more common):

-a generally appealing person who seems to have many admirers, obviously can't be with all of them lol

- someone who's a very different type than your type who maybe seems alluring BECAUSE of the difference

- someone distant or inaccessible one way or another, yet part of the public ethos (like a celeb). With celebs, because they are a public figure, people (some more than others) feel as if the celeb belongs to us and we are "entitled" to love those and this is when the line is being crossed between someone's life as a public figure and his/her private life and personality which may be very different from the public one.

- someone already in a couple

posted July 01, 2014 07:17 AM              

Personally, I've identified two major triggers:

1. natal charts predisposed to unrequited. Some natal charts are more vulnerable in this respect and prone to fall under the spell of an unrequited love.. In the synastry, the other triggers the prone-to-unrequited pattern in a strong manner. In this cases, the natal "embraces" the unrequited love in a fluid, rather natural manner, sometimes even with a certain enthusiasm, as if it comes natural to the person to react this way or as if the person is being engulfed by the unrequited feelings.

These unrequited loves are likely to take a long(er) time.

2. accidental unrequited situation triggered by the synastry For natal charts not falling in the 1st category (prone to unrequited), a person triggers a specific unrequited configuration. The natal feels the situation as unnatural to him, out of character, experiences unease, perplexity, the desire to understand and ultimately to get out. The danger to see some sort of mutuality when in fact it's unrequited is diminished, the natal is generally aware this is unrequited love, not something else.

These unrequited loves are more likely to be temporary and short-lived.

Of course, many times it's a combination of both.

I've experienced a combination of the two and I'll share it with you at some point.

THE LORDS

For case 1., by exploring the natal charts, I think I've found some clues about the "culprits". I've decided to use the cute, yet solemn ancient term of "Lords"

First Lord of Unrequited is Pluto
Pluto's domain is power. Pluto's domain is to replace his own permanent or temporary powerlessness with...power. Pluto's domain is to render someone powerless, to strip him of his control, to make him/her surrender. Pluto in love - when love is denied to him - will tell you he is deeply in love, a soulmate love, that transcends reciprocity. He is wrong. Pluto feels powerless and worthless, yet utterly fascinated, at this stage of love and all Pluto wants is to get his power back from the other. Pluto wants to own the other, to make him his own, Pluto wants the other to surrender to his love for self-worth reasons. When the other resists, this is when Pluto's obsession kicks in, his chase to get his power back.

Many times when Pluto "wins" and the other "surrenders" completely, Pluto's interest dies in a Plutonian way.

Pluto's lesson in love is to learn to differentiate between power and love. For this, he needs to learn from his opposite yet twin sister, Venus. Ultimately, the Plutonian transcends his superhuman strength into the power of love.

(Sun/Venus/Moon/ASC/DSC in Scorpio or 8th, Pluto in hard aspect to Sun/Venus/ASC/DSC/Moon/Mars, Pluto in some houses - 1st, 7th, 3rd, Pluto as love ruler)

The second Lord of Unrequited is Neptune
Neptune forever holds a dream of ideal love into his immense wavy heart. He chases the unattainable too, just like Pluto, but for a different reason. Neptune's object of chase is a glamorous, otherworldly person/love. The fantasy. The Romantic's Dream. Neptune rules unrequited because he has no problem with living in a fantasy world, he has no problem with the lack of tangible reality events, proofs, real love. He may even be repulsed by ordinary, day-to-day loves. They suffocate his dream, they are interference.

Neptune finds an unattainable glamorous person to feed the dream. Or he transforms an ordinary person, through the power of his imagination and the power of his self-illusion, into the dream.

Beloved Neptunian people keep the flame of the ultimate love dream lit for all of us.

Neptune's lesson in love is to learn from his opposite twin sister, Mademoiselle Virgo, how to see and bring magic to (sometimes ordinary) people close to them, those who really love them and to bring the magic into little every day life.

(Sun/Venus/Moon/ASC/DSC in Pisces or 12th, Neptune in hard aspect to Sun/Venus/ASC/DSC/Moon/Mars, Neptune in some houses - 1st, 7th, Neptune as love ruler)

To be continued with my personal experiences and a lesser god of unrequited, Mr. Saturn, manifesting itself in synastry rather than the natals.

posted July 01, 2014 08:26 AM              

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Oh no, my chart has too much of that Will I stand a chance to escape from my fate?!

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posted July 01, 2014 08:28 AM              

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On the other hand Pluto and Neptune are also the lords of blissful mutual soulmate love.

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Absolutely They have these two faces.

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I do think though for requited love you really need the personal planet triggers.

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posted July 01, 2014 08:52 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
that makes it tricky to see which is which.

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This is another good question: how can you tell someone is not in love with you? What are the signs?

Personally, I have only one answer currently but I'm waiting for your thoughts.

Also, for all those interested in this topic, TF vs. Unrequited, what are your natal markers for unrequited/obsession/illusionary love risk?

As far as I'm concerned, I'm an 8th houser:

Sun Venus Mars Mercury and Pluto in the 8th house

Mars Pluto Mercury stellium with Mercury ruling houses 5th and 8th

posted July 01, 2014 09:26 AM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
Perhaps my comment came out wrong. Of course I agree this is more than lust. There must be a great physical attraction, too though, in order to want to merge with them and that was what I was refering too. I didn't mean to imply that third energy was created through lust alone. I think when your energy meets theirs and you feel the power of it, wanting to bring the two together becomes an almost unstoppable force.

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I understand what you're saying Karmic Moon. I just wanted to clarify what I had meant, because I didn't want it to sound like I was belittling the physical desire aspects of your connection.

On a side note... Everytime I read the term Hieros Games now, I think of Hunger Games with sex.

posted July 01, 2014 12:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
Gabby, everything you wrote here is very helpful. It's so easy once these feelings are awakened to want so desperately to consummate them. Your soul aches for it. This whole process has made me realize that all I thought I knew and understood about life, love, and the nature of the universe itself was so naive. I've had to start over from square one like a newborn baby. Love like this, love like what I feel for this person just simply DOES NOT FIT into my prior paradigm. The very word "love" itself doesn't even seem to suffice. I need a "better" word.

I keep having dreams about him, but in my dreams, we're usually children. We're usually very young children around age 5 or 6, and we just play together. We spend the dreams just running around chasing each other, playing, laughing. In one of the dreams he picked me a wildflower and handed it to me, and I smiled, and we sat on the grass and he put his arm around my shoulder, then leaned against me and told me, "I'll always take care of you. I'll never let anything hurt you." I keep getting the feeling like we are twin brother and sister in the dreams because I keep feeling such a protective love from him in them. I've never believed in past lives before, and I still can't say that I do, but things like that keep making me question what I do or don't know or understand.
It makes me think of that line from Hamlet: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

So, I've started to reexamine the purpose for this spiritual awakening, and to rethink a lot of things. So, now, I'm thinking that he and I may just cross each other's paths to help each other to spiritually grow, and there does not have to be a sexual or romantic relationship for that to happen. Like Gabby said in her post, the spiritual awakening that the relationship causes may be more important than the relationship itself. Accepting that and letting go of all preconceived expectations and just letting the purpose be what it will be brings a spiritual release.

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What a beautiful post!!
What's crazy is I've had similar dreams, and we are children....
Yes, I think the spiritual awakening is the focal point and that's what I focus on. Doing that helps me with the feeling I need to be with him. I can just let go and walk my own path...and feel content!
I can't shake the feeling or the dreams of us coming back together though. I don't want to think about them or put any stock into that being what happens...so I push it out of my head and continue focusing on me!
As you will find, the more you raise yourself and become the person full of love and happiness...spiritually you will grow closer to him. As you push him out of you the more his soul will push to be inside you so keep pushing him out! I just have this feeling that eventually the spiritual pushing to be near you will eventually burst into physically pushing to be in your life.
But we have to prove we are separate and don't need them before they realize it's them who needs us...I feel it's possible this is how their spiritual awakening begins and they will catch up to is in lighten fast speed...but we must never allow them to think we are the weaker one, we must be the stronger one who leads the way and they will want to follow. If you turn into the needy one they will run because it's to much for them to handle, the emotions are out of control and most men can't handle a tidal wave of emotions, it's their deepest fear.

I had a dream last night I was standing in a dept store looking at hot pink luggage to buy...and he walked up behind me and gave a me a big hug. He told me had moved and now lived just down the road from me. It's odd because he's the one who's always traveling and I'm stationary, plus hot pink?? Ugh! Gross, I would never buy hot pink luggage!

I have dreams like that almost every night now! I just met a couple who are in their 60's, they got together in their early 40's. They are still madly in love, inseparable to the point ppl get jealous of them...when I found out he and she were the same signs as my guy m me, I asked for all their birthday info. They are sending it to me today. Funny thing is they showed me pics of then when they first met, they looked just like me n him!

posted July 01, 2014 02:55 PM              

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(Sun/Venus/Moon/ASC/DSC in Scorpio or 8th, Pluto in hard aspect to Sun/Venus/ASC/DSC/Moon/Mars, Pluto in some houses - 1st, 7th, 3rd, Pluto as love ruler)

(Sun/Venus/Moon/ASC/DSC in Pisces or 12th, Neptune in hard aspect to Sun/Venus/ASC/DSC/Moon/Mars, Neptune in some houses - 1st, 7th, Neptune as love ruler)

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Wouldn't I know? Venus in Scorpio conjunct Pluto, Pluto in Scorpio in 7th conjunct DSC lol. Neptune North Node ruler square Mars. I've been in unrequited infatuation before. How would I know if it's requited? Hmm, hard to say, it's a case to case for me.

posted July 01, 2014 02:57 PM              

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
How would I know if it's requited? Hmm, hard to say, it's a case to case for me.

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What do you mean? It's pretty easy to know it's requited. No?

posted July 01, 2014 03:14 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
What do you mean? It's pretty easy to know it's requited. No?

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posted July 01, 2014 03:17 PM              

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
[b] What do you mean? It's pretty easy to know it's requited. No?

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posted July 01, 2014 03:50 PM            

In this synastry, there is a DW of Nessus on Venus-Mars Midpoint 0°. His Nessus sits right on my Venus-Mars MP, and my Nessus sits right on his Venus-Mars MP, both 0°. Then, both of those spots sit on the Solstice Point/Antiscion of each other. My Venus-Mars MP and his Nessus are @ Cancer 9°, and His Venus-Mars Midpoint and my Nessus are @ Gemini 21°. I think it might be playing a strong role in the obsessive feelings.

posted July 01, 2014 03:56 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I've never met a man who's interested in a woman = passive for long

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Yeah, my type is the active ones.

posted July 01, 2014 04:08 PM            

I'm wondering because it is exact on our NN cap@16.04
Hyperborea cap@16.22
Chiron aries@16.04
indicating the relationship will force us to face our deepest wounds...but also bring us to
Kaali cap@19.00
Jupiter cap@22.54

In Greek mythology the Hyperboreans (Ancient Greek: Ὑπερβόρε(ι οι, pronounced [hyperbóre(ː ɔi̯]; Latin: Hyperborei) were mythical people who lived "beyond the North Wind".
The Greeks thought that Boreas, the god of the North Wind (one of the Anemoi, or "Winds") lived in Thrace, and therefore Hyperborea indicates a region that lay far to the north of Thrace.
This land was supposed to be perfect, with the sun shining twenty-four hours a day, which to modern ears suggests a possible location within the Arctic Circle.

However, it is also possible that Hyperborea had no real physical location at all, for according to the classical Greek poet Pindar, neither by ship nor on foot would you find the marvellous road to the assembly of the Hyperboreans.
Pindar also described the otherworldly perfection of the Hyperboreans:
Never the Muse is absent from their ways: lyres clash and flutes cry and everywhere maiden choruses whirling.
Neither disease nor bitter old age is mixed in their sacred blood; far from labor and battle they live.

If you look at the bibles description of the coming of Gods kingdom...

Rev 21:
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

posted July 01, 2014 04:10 PM            

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What a beautiful post!!
What's crazy is I've had similar dreams, and we are children....
Yes, I think the spiritual awakening is the focal point and that's what I focus on. Doing that helps me with the feeling I need to be with him. I can just let go and walk my own path...and feel content!
I can't shake the feeling or the dreams of us coming back together though. I don't want to think about them or put any stock into that being what happens...so I push it out of my head and continue focusing on me!
As you will find, the more you raise yourself and become the person full of love and happiness...spiritually you will grow closer to him. As you push him out of you the more his soul will push to be inside you so keep pushing him out! I just have this feeling that eventually the spiritual pushing to be near you will eventually burst into physically pushing to be in your life.
But we have to prove we are separate and don't need them before they realize it's them who needs us...I feel it's possible this is how their spiritual awakening begins and they will catch up to is in lighten fast speed...but we must never allow them to think we are the weaker one, we must be the stronger one who leads the way and they will want to follow. If you turn into the needy one they will run because it's to much for them to handle, the emotions are out of control and most men can't handle a tidal wave of emotions, it's their deepest fear.

I had a dream last night I was standing in a dept store looking at hot pink luggage to buy...and he walked up behind me and gave a me a big hug. He told me had moved and now lived just down the road from me. It's odd because he's the one who's always traveling and I'm stationary, plus hot pink?? Ugh! Gross, I would never buy hot pink luggage!

I have dreams like that almost every night now! I just met a couple who are in their 60's, they got together in their early 40's. They are still madly in love, inseparable to the point ppl get jealous of them...when I found out he and she were the same signs as my guy m me, I asked for all their birthday info. They are sending it to me today. Funny thing is they showed me pics of then when they first met, they looked just like me n him!

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Thank you, Gabby. I'm taking your advice to heart. I'm trying to focus on using this energy for spiritual growth and understanding. I'm trying my best to put it to positive use.

BTW, I got curious about your dream, so I Googled what hot pink in a dream can mean.

One site said this:
"The color hot pink is very representative of lust and sex in your dreams. If you are surrounded by hot pink, you may be the object of someone’s lust or the one having sex."
"Hot pink may also be associated with real love and tenderness. The color pink foretells of exciting things to come with someone of the opposite sex."
http://sleepculture.com/hot-pink-dream-interpretation-and-meaning/

posted July 01, 2014 04:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:

On a side note... Everytime I read the term Hieros Games now, I think of Hunger Games with sex.

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