posted July 01, 2014 05:30 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Da, Maira, si tu?

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posted July 01, 2014 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:

Thank you, Gabby. I'm taking your advice to heart. I'm trying to focus on using this energy for spiritual growth and understanding and to let this love just spill out of me to others. I'm trying my best to put it to positive use. It's a strange experience, though, because you read so much about the whole twin soul/ twin flame thing making the people feel like they have some mission. I feel that so, so, so, so strongly, but without the other person to share the energy with, it feels incomplete somehow. Yet, you still feel driven to undertake some mission. It's almost like you're in the cockpit ready to fly, but you don't know where you're supposed to be flying to, and Hey! Look! Your co-pilots not there, either. Yet, you still feel like you shouldn't just sit there and wait. You feel like you should be readying yourself spiritually for the mission.

BTW, I got curious about your dream, so I Googled what hot pink in a dream can mean.

One site said this:
"The color hot pink is very representative of lust and sex in your dreams. If you are surrounded by hot pink, you may be the object of someone’s lust or the one having sex."
"Hot pink may also be associated with real love and tenderness. The color pink foretells of exciting things to come with someone of the opposite sex."
http://sleepculture.com/hot-pink-dream-interpretation-and-meaning/

So, combined with luggage, which would indicate travel, it sounded nice. I can tell the relationship between you two is a passionate one.

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Really ? Wow!! I guess I like the hot pink luggage now!!

I guess we are happily sitting in the cockpit! Lol
But we are alone right now, reading our instruction manual.
We know we need to be the best co-pilot possible and are grateful he hasn't arrived yet because we want to practice and be as ready as possible for our pilots arrival! We aren't even thinking about him right now, we are though anticipating how proud he will be once he sees all we have done to better ourselves!
We are thinking about just us alone, getting ourselves so well equipped that when he bumps into us, he will be amazed.
We are not some weak, wilting woman without him, we have grown into something he admires.
He sees we have knowledge and a deep understanding that is silently shining from the inside out!
He seems proud of us....maybe a little inspired and curious as to what has changed?
Maybe he think we outgrew him...and feel a little intimidated until he sees even with all your growth, you still see him as the amazing one....and be humbled and decide its time he makes some changes to!

I don't have a clue why I feel this is part of the process....maybe because women connect to their heart easier than men? Our higher self and intuition is heart based?
Also, women do not have the ability to disconnect from their emotions, men do...and they taught to do that in our society so maybe it's us that has to prove to them that emotions are a strength. Our love isn't hurting us it's inspiring us bad we become their guides in learning this strength....but we must know it ourselves first. Since these TF can feel us inside and out we cannot fake it!

I think that's why I've been holding off on seeing him....I'm so excited to be the very best me, I don't want him to see me until I I can blow him away with my personal strength and growth.
I almost think we have to be the example that proves its safe to feel as deeply as we feel between us....actually it's a protection if we chose to allow it to be. But how can they know that unless we display that strength in ourselves?
I don't want to see him because I'm not ready, I want to be better....I am going be that person myself before so he can see it and put trust in it.

posted July 01, 2014 06:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
I checked out Hyperborea, to see what part it might play. The most notable aspect it makes is in our Davison Chart. It's sitting on the North Node-Valentine-Midheaven conjunction, squeezed in between Valentine and NN. Since you said it's on the NN in your chart, too, that stuck out to me.

The NN-Valentine-Hyperborea-Midheaven conjunction sextiles Pluto in the 8th and Venus in the 12th. Venus trines Pluto, and that cluster sits right on the Venus-Pluto MidPoint.

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So cool how yours also conjuncts the NN....makes me think it's important,

Ours makes an aspect with Eros/Psyche as well-
NN cap@16.04
Hyperborea cap@16.22
Eros cap@14.47
Karma cancer@15.30
Psyche taurus@17.49
Kaali cap@19.00
Cap placements are square comp 11th house Uranus libra@20.11
Opposed comp 5th house Chiron aries@16.04

His natal AC cap@14
My natal Rudra cap@16.28
My Angel cap@16.43

His natal Rudra cancer@5.10
My Bless cap@6.23
My natal Kaali scorpio@2.14
Comp Pluto libra@3.05
My Karma libra@5.49
His Kaali aries@5.44
His 8th house-
His Isis libra@5.16
His Uranus libra@5.38

I never even realized our saggy Sun/Moon@4.28/@5.05 is in his 11th house!

About Rudra-
"David Frawley says that Rudra is the Fire of Prana, we encounter this energy whenever we undergo a catharsis that leads to emotional transformation, shift in personality. Rudra brings inetnsity in our lives that causes us to evolve .... to achieve a deep state of transformation only the energy of Rudra has to be invoked within - otherwise deep transformation that frees us from all limitations is NOT possible.
The deity Rudra is the liberated soul free from all limitations.
Kaali is the female deity and counterpart of Rudra so she is equally."

posted July 01, 2014 06:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
I wanted to clarify what I meant about the sexual attraction I felt not feeling like lust. What I meant was, when I think of lust, per se, I think of the more raw, carnal "I wanna tear your clothes off and hump your brains out" kind of feeling.

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Huh. I'm completely alien to that feeling. Completely. The only time I've felt 'lust' stems from a very deep, soulful connexion, and it's that merging feeling. Physical intimacy, specifically, intercourse, simply being the vehicle for that merging on a spiritual level.

posted July 01, 2014 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
... "David Frawley says that Rudra is the Fire of Prana, we encounter this energy whenever we undergo a catharsis that leads to emotional transformation, shift in personality. Rudra brings intensity in our lives that causes us to evolve .... to achieve a deep state of transformation only the energy of Rudra has to be invoked within - otherwise deep transformation that frees us from all limitations is NOT possible.

The deity Rudra is the liberated soul free from all limitations.

Kaali is the female deity and counterpart of Rudra so she is equally."

... The Rudras were a highly evolved type of Realized Entities. They did not have blood lust. In Myths, death and destruction almost always means irreversible transformation.

The Rudras play their part as being agents of Metamorphosis. A Strong Rudra Theme in synastry will thus play out as irreversible Personal Change if you both actualize and sustain the relationship."

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Yeah, my Twin and I have a strong Rudra theme. I've always wondered more about how that actually plays out -- especially with our composite KAALI-RUDRA conjunction in Helio.

Makes a LOT of sense. That echoes on a very, very deep level.

Our cSUN is parallel cKAALI.
His nVENUS and nEROS is conjunct cRUDRA.

cRUDRA is contraparallel the cKARMA-DESTINN.

cRUDRA is also EXACTLY parallel the cASC.

posted July 01, 2014 06:50 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Yeah, my Twin and I have a strong Rudra theme. I've always wondered more about how that actually plays out -- especially with our composite KAALI-RUDRA conjunction in Helio.

Makes a LOT of sense. That echoes on a very, very deep level.

Our cSUN is parallel cKAALI.
His nVENUS and nEROS is conjunct cRUDRA.

cRUDRA is contraparallel the cKARMA-DESTINN.

cRUDRA is also EXACTLY parallel the cASC.

Yeah. Very involved.

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That's interesting Indigo....we have a similar thing going on. Actually extremely similar aspects, Rudra/Karma opposed is very telling!
His Rudra is exact inconjunct our Sun/Moon conjunction...interesting my Parvarti sits on that conjunction and his Parvarti trines it!
My Kaali opposed his Sun 1 degree, square my Saturn

His Kaali opposed my Karma on my DC, this makes a trine with our Sun/Moon and a grand trine with my Saturn.
His Kaali is on my BM Lilith
My Kaali is on his Jupiter

Do you know if any of these are parts of Rudra or is Rudra from from these?

Hindu Gods-
(Male)-- Siva (1170), Rudra (2629), Mahakala (10819), Shankar (22817), Hara (4640)
(Female)-- Kaali (4227), Tara (5863), Parvati (2847)

I'm wondering because our Hara is cap@16.16 is exact on my Rudra cap@16.28
Female-
Our Kaali cap@19.00
His Tara pisces@16.19

Our Siva pisces @20.32
Our Mahakala leo@17.47
His Shankar pisces@21.54
His Hara pisces@14.24
My Hara scorp @17.38
My Rudra cap@16.28

My Tara virgo@5.49
His Rudra cancer@5.10

posted July 01, 2014 08:53 PM            

In the synastry, my Rudra is opposite his Karma, and squares his Pluto opposite Moon, forming a T-square with them. That makes his Karma on my Amor the point opposite the Rudra apex of the T-square.

His Rudra is on my Psyche and opposite my Eros. That explains the transformation brought about on those two. It also squares my Vertex 1°, and forms a grand trine with my Amor and Aphrodite.

There are other Rudra aspects in the synastry, but I think those are the key ones I feel.

I noticed right away that the Composite Ascendant is on his natal Rudra 0°. Comp. Rudra is on his Sun 1°. Comp. Rudra conjuncts Comp. Mercury and is part of the Grand Trine between Mercury in the 12th, Neptune in 4th, and Jupiter in 8th. Rudra being in the mix just probably adds an intensity to the spiritual feeling of that grand trine. Rudra also trines the NN 1°.

The Davison has Rudra in the 7th conjunct Vertex 0°. Vertex is @9.59, Rudra's 10.08, so they're very tight. They both square the Nodes 0° @9.50 and Karma 2°. Karma conjuncts the S.Node in the 4th 2°. I dunno what to think of all that. Rudra-Vertex in 7th, squaring S.Node-Karma in 4th would explain why this all feels spiritual.

posted July 01, 2014 10:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:

Do you know if any of these are parts of Rudra or is Rudra from from these?

Hindu Gods-
(Male)-- Siva (1170), Rudra (2629), Mahakala (10819), Shankar (22817), Hara (4640)
(Female)-- Kaali (4227), Tara (5863), Parvati (2847)

I'm wondering because our Hara is cap@16.16 is exact on my Rudra cap@16.28
Female-
Our Kaali cap@19.00
His Tara pisces@16.19

Our Siva pisces @20.32
Our Mahakala leo@17.47
His Shankar pisces@21.54
His Hara pisces@14.24
My Hara scorp @17.38
My Rudra cap@16.28

My Tara virgo@5.49
His Rudra cancer@5.10

Comp Shankar gemini@1.57
My Parvarti saggy@0.59
His Parvarti aries @0.46
Comp Parvarti aqua@0.53

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I believe those are all names for Shiva and all names for Kaali. I really resonate with Kaali. She rules kundalini and can help one destroy the ego. I have them pretty strong in our chart too. Even in transits. Here are a few..

Tropical
My Rudra 12 Leo trines his Kaali 10 Sag
His Rudra 10 Scorp oppose my Kaali 3 Taurus

Chiron linkage
My Rudra 12 Leo sq his Chiron 9 Taurus
His Kaali 10 Sag trine my Chiron 10 Aries

Draco
My Rudra 8 Virgo sextile his Kaali 9 Cancer

Moon linkage
My Rudra sextile his Moon 10 Scorp
His Kaali 9 cancer sq my Moon 8 Libra

Helio
His Kaali 0 21 Sag sq my Rudra 26 Leo
My Kaali 11 Aries oppose his Rudra 9 Libra

I noticed some Rudra DW aspects too
Tropical
Rudra trine Moon/Rudra sextile Moon
Rudra sq Chiron/Rudra QC Chiron
Rudra sq Rudra

Helio
Rudra sq Uranus/Rudra cj Uranus
Rudra trine Ceres/Rudra oppose Ceres

In tropical...
His Shiva 1 Aqua sq my Kaali 3 taurus/Parvati 4 Taurus
His Shiva qc/semisextiles our Nodal conjunction, my Kaali/Parvati trine/sextile our Nodal conjunction

Helio
His Shiva 12 Aqua sextile Kaali 11 Aries

Draco
Siva 0 Virgo sq kaali 29 Gemini
Siva 0 Virgo cj Siva 3 Virgo ( and cj our Nodes 1 and 3 Virgo)
Parvati 0 Gemini sq Siva 0Virgo
Parvati 2 libra semisextile Siva 3 Virgo

posted July 01, 2014 10:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
Thank you Gabby for bringing up Rudra. I had completely overlooked it. It does figure strongly in the charts between he and I. It helps explain why this whole experience has brought about such a spiritual metamorphosis in me.

In the synastry, my Rudra is opposite his Karma, and squares his Pluto opposite Moon, forming a T-square with them. That makes his Karma on my Amor the point opposite the Rudra apex of the T-square.

His Rudra is on my Psyche and opposite my Eros. That explains the transformation brought about on those two. It also squares my Vertex 1°, and forms a grand trine with my Amor and Aphrodite.

There are other Rudra aspects in the synastry, but I think those are the key ones I feel.

I noticed right away that the Composite Ascendant is on his natal Rudra 0°. Comp. Rudra is on his Sun 1°. Comp. Rudra conjuncts Comp. Mercury and is part of the Grand Trine between Mercury in the 12th, Neptune in 4th, and Jupiter in 8th. Rudra being in the mix just probably adds an intensity to the spiritual feeling of that grand trine. Rudra also trines the NN 1°.

The Davison has Rudra in the 7th conjunct Vertex 0°. Vertex is @9.59, Rudra's 10.08, so they're very tight. They both square the Nodes 0° @9.50 and Karma 2°. Karma conjuncts the S.Node in the 4th 2°. I dunno what to think of all that. Rudra-Vertex in 7th, squaring S.Node-Karma in 4th would explain why this all feels so intense and spiritually transforming for me. The Vertex axis @ 9.59 Virgo/Pisces forming a grand square with the Nodal axis @ 9.50 Gem/Sag may explain why it all feels so fated to me. It feels like I can't escape the effects he has on me, the spiritual transformation, the emotional transformation all feels so destined. Rudra and Karma being with them just seems to make it feel more intense.

That South Node-Karma conjunction in the 4th is the apex of a Kite formed by Pluto in 8th, trine Venus in 12th, and opposing it is the top of the kite with N.Node conjunct Valentine, Neptune and Midheaven.
That seems like a lot of energy pointing at that apex of S.Node-Karma. That apex is conjunct his Natal Mars/Valentine/Lilith/Part of Fortune, and Mars is his DC ruler. Maybe he will feel the energy as strongly as me. Who knows? I do think that I'm beginning to understand why it all feels so intense and powerful to me and why it feels like my spirit has known his spirit for all eternity. Sounds melodramatic, but it's how it feels. I think the S.Node-Karma in the 4th being at the apex of that kite just makes it feel like our spiritual past goes back for ages.

I'm so glad you mentioned Rudra. It has helped make some things make more sense for me. I'm going to read up more on it. I do think you're right. I think it factors strongly in these twin soul/twin flame type spiritually transforming relationships. The metamorphosis factor is a common theme with these relationships, and Rudra seems to be all about some metamorphosis. Whew. I have so much spiritual growth ahead of me.

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posted July 02, 2014 12:10 AM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
I believe those are all names for Shiva and all names for Kaali. I really resonate with Kaali. She rules kundalini and can help one destroy the ego. I have them pretty strong in our chart too. Even in transits. Here are a few..

Tropical
My Rudra 12 Leo trines his Kaali 10 Sag
His Rudra 10 Scorp oppose my Kaali 3 Taurus

Chiron linkage
My Rudra 12 Leo sq his Chiron 9 Taurus
His Kaali 10 Sag trine my Chiron 10 Aries

Draco
My Rudra 8 Virgo sextile his Kaali 9 Cancer

Moon linkage
My Rudra sextile his Moon 10 Scorp
His Kaali 9 cancer sq my Moon 8 Libra

Helio
His Kaali 0 21 Sag sq my Rudra 26 Leo
My Kaali 11 Aries oppose his Rudra 9 Libra

I noticed some Rudra DW aspects too
Tropical
Rudra trine Moon/Rudra sextile Moon
Rudra sq Chiron/Rudra QC Chiron
Rudra sq Rudra

Helio
Rudra sq Uranus/Rudra cj Uranus
Rudra trine Ceres/Rudra oppose Ceres

In tropical...
His Shiva 1 Aqua sq my Kaali 3 taurus/Parvati 4 Taurus
His Shiva qc/semisextiles our Nodal conjunction, my Kaali/Parvati trine/sextile our Nodal conjunction

Helio
His Shiva 12 Aqua sextile Kaali 11 Aries

Draco
Siva 0 Virgo sq kaali 29 Gemini
Siva 0 Virgo cj Siva 3 Virgo ( and cj our Nodes 1 and 3 Virgo)
Parvati 0 Gemini sq Siva 0Virgo
Parvati 2 libra semisextile Siva 3 Virgo

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So they are all part of the same thing..... Just different parts??
Your aspects seem very intense!! I hope they show when things will come together....

posted July 02, 2014 12:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:

I just meant to point out how I perceive the differences from my experience. I wanted to distinguish the difference between what I have felt in the past as "lust", which was what I felt when I had a DW Mars conjunct Venus 0° with someone, vs. what I feel toward the man I feel may be my twin soul. The feelings I feel for him are a longing to merge with him on all levels, spiritual, mental, emotional, and physical... to simply be one with him. The feeling is there that in that moment the energy would be so strong that some form of spiritual spontaneous combustion would occur and I can't even fathom that I would be able to contain that level of energy and intensity of feeling. After looking up Rudra, I found out mine sits right on my Venus-Mars Midpoint 0°, so maybe that feeds into my feelings on it.

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posted July 02, 2014 06:36 AM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Has anyone looked at asteroid Hyperborea in regards to TF connections? If the relationship is meant to awaken us....this placement might be meaningful in TF charts?

I'm wondering because it is exact on our NN cap@16.04
Hyperborea cap@16.22
Chiron aries@16.04
indicating the relationship will force us to face our deepest wounds...but also bring us to
Kaali cap@19.00
Jupiter cap@22.54

In Greek mythology the Hyperboreans (Ancient Greek: Ὑπερβόρε(ι οι, pronounced [hyperbóre(ː ɔi̯]; Latin: Hyperborei) were mythical people who lived "beyond the North Wind".
The Greeks thought that Boreas, the god of the North Wind (one of the Anemoi, or "Winds") lived in Thrace, and therefore Hyperborea indicates a region that lay far to the north of Thrace.
This land was supposed to be perfect, with the sun shining twenty-four hours a day, which to modern ears suggests a possible location within the Arctic Circle.

However, it is also possible that Hyperborea had no real physical location at all, for according to the classical Greek poet Pindar, neither by ship nor on foot would you find the marvellous road to the assembly of the Hyperboreans.
Pindar also described the otherworldly perfection of the Hyperboreans:
Never the Muse is absent from their ways: lyres clash and flutes cry and everywhere maiden choruses whirling.
Neither disease nor bitter old age is mixed in their sacred blood; far from labor and battle they live.

If you look at the bibles description of the coming of Gods kingdom...

Rev 21:
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Does anyone else see any connection with this?

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posted July 02, 2014 06:38 AM              

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Originally posted by maira:
Aa, ce dragut! Probabil am simtit de cand ti-am dedicat youtube-ul cu cartile

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posted July 02, 2014 06:52 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
So neither of you ladies and gents who experienced unrequited love have prominent Pluto and Neptune in their natals?

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posted July 02, 2014 07:26 AM              

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Originally posted by Enneline:
My pluto conjuncts my IC. Sufficient?

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posted July 02, 2014 07:30 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
No You're not prone to unrequited love

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posted July 02, 2014 07:31 AM            

HYPERBOREA conjunct VENUS (1°00) and ASC (0°50)
So, VENUS/ASC=HYPERBOREA (0°20)

DESTINN conjunct HYPERBOREA (0°10)

Wow. This is beautiful:

HYPERBOREA parallel EROS (0°40)
HYPERBOREA parallel PSYCHE (0°05)

and

HYPERBOREA parallel VALENTINE (0°50)

Too far to conjunct -- 7°. But a nice parallel.

And ...

HYPERBOREA parallel MARS (0°25)

How's that for a nice complement to his HYPERBOREA conjunct my VENUS?

Some nice things going on in the composite, too. Most notably:

HYPERBOREA conjunct ATROPOS (1°50)
HYPERBOREA parallel ATROPOS (0°30)

Inevitable, huh? That's the kind of inevitability I'm more than down for.

Plus --

His HYPERBOREA is parallel the cJUNO and cALMA.

My HYBERBOREA is conjunct many of the composite Midpoints:

KARMA/SUN (1°)
KARMA/VENUS (1°)
DESTINN/SUN (0°)
DESTINN/VENUS (0°)
KARMA/JUPITER (1°)
DESTINN/JUPITER (1°)

It's conjunct the cASC, 1° as well.

Very, very nice job, Lee. Home run! I think you're definitely on to something. Checks out here wonderfully.

posted July 02, 2014 07:36 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
So neither of you ladies and gents who experienced unrequited love have prominent Pluto and Neptune in their natals?

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I've got PLUTO very prominent -- on my SUN (2°), and BML (0°) and parallel my ASC.

Fortunately, I've been either blessed -- or extremely cautious -- but unrequited love has been a rare thing. So much so that when it does come up, it's more of a 'I'm too X, Y, Z,' leading to the relationship or connexion breaking down. It's almost always had a mutuality to it at the core.

posted July 02, 2014 07:40 AM              

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Would you actually tell me if I was?

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