posted June 26, 2014 11:51 PM            

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I think that the concept of twinflames is misinterpreted.

For me, the term primary soulmate seems more appropriate. It doesn't say that this person has to be your romantic partner each and every lifetime but they are there - in many ways possible. Michael Newton used this concept and i tend to feel that it's true.

I called for mine and he came into my life.

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I agree with this. We have lots of soulmates but there is one that we place above all others. This person is between a karmic soulmate and twin flame. Divine partner may be a good term. The energy is very similar to what is described in a TF relationship. I guess I believe twin flames can exist but I don't believe everyone has one. I have a hard time relating to the theory that I would share a "soul" with someone else. Certainly not has many people have one that THINK they do. A lot of those are probably primary soulmates but this TF stuff has minimized the importance of soulmates to the point where it isn't good enough to "just be with a soulmate" and that is sad.

posted June 27, 2014 12:39 AM            

Oh, boy. Twin Flames. What a hot topic. Well, since I'm a newly discovered, or 'orienting', shall we say, Twin Flame, I figure I should weigh in.

I wrote a really beautiful scene today -- the first in a long time, to be honest. It's been heavily on my mind, the project I left behind, and the wounds incurred. 'LACHESIS' has proved to be something of a beacon, shining through the mist and illuminating the dark when we become too mired in everything else. Even if it takes awhile, it always leads us back to each other -- our Twin Flame tale.

I'm no longer concerned. I haven't heard anything in response because I'm sure he's thinking. I surrendered to the experience. I offered apology and sought forgiveness. I said that I miss him; and, he reads every post that I make. He knows that I have a plan to keep things together in the interim.

I've decided it doesn't matter what happens off-screen. Playing conflicted and troubled human beings who are saddled with a Twin Flame destiny is part of our own journey, and one we get to share with the world. Sooner as opposed to later.

As to our synastry, some of that seems rather clear-cut.

SATURN-KARMA conjunct URANUS-MOON. Conjunct his MC, and near my IC.

Being bound to a person when you're too terrified of abandonment to allow yourself to give in to the longing for human companionship -- that's a tough spot. He, like his character, is a one-night-stands kinda guy. Never expected someone would steal his heart. Never expected that he'd lose the opportunity to realise it -- until it was too late.

I gave up on the relationship entirely, and felt lost. I sought from the Universe to be free. Nobody told me it doesn't work that way. One of the other characters, the disgruntled 'cautionary tale' older and disenfranchised Twin Flame, was essentially berating my character for the same thing.

'You think you can just give up? That's not what it's about, sweetheart. I'm sorry, but suck it up. We're like flies over here, and there aren't that many of us to begin with. You think it's hard now and want to just let it all go? Just wait until you figure out that isn't an option.'

She's pretty blunt -- but I love her. No doubt she'll be the snarky voice of reason for many more Twin Flames to come. My hope, anyhow.

As for my main characters? Well, they'll figure it out. Just like their creators.

In the meanwhile, all I can honestly do is continue helping people, believing in love, the truly awesome power that it holds, and keep the candle burning. Perhaps at this juncture, all we really need to be are two people lighting up the screen in the way that only those with this sort of connexion can.

One thing that was immediately noticeable to everyone: the love and sense of undeniable unity of these two; how they're made for each other in strange ways; the perfect complements. It reminds me of one of the best lines from a scene I'll never get out of my head -- the one right after she leaves, deciding enough is ... just enough.

As to why I've finally decided to stop running, and accept my 'Twin Flame status' -- that's a lot. Many, many things. Life-changing. Perspective changing. Whole new understanding of reality -- and NOT what I thought it was.

Perhaps we'll never allow ourselves to fall as hard and completely as we want to; always pulling back just as it's happening. We created an incredible story with powerful characters and a beautiful theme.

That in and of itself is worth it. I guess they can fall for each other, run away from the connexion, realise they can't -- and then rinse and repeat only about a hundred times -- and do so for large groups of people trying to figure everything out themselves.

We can give them that. And THAT's something.

posted June 27, 2014 01:46 AM              

my mind works mysterious ways.
But reading your post I had a flashback into last night´s dream, and to my shock discovered I had dreamed of Kyle MacLachlan. which probably hasn`t happened in a decade. And it usually never a good sign.
Bringing back the athmosphere of the process (the film by Kafka).

I suppose there were too many "twins" within the space of 2 lines in your above posts, and that probably has thrown me back in time, right back to a very not twinflame worthy topic, that of Twin Peaks.

Yeah me and my mind, weird duo. lol

posted June 27, 2014 04:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Indigo,

my mind works mysterious ways.
But reading your post I had a flashback into last night´s dream, and to my shock discovered I had dreamed of Kyle MacLachlan. which probably hasn`t happened in a decade. And it usually never a good sign.
Bringing back the athmosphere of the process (the film by Kafka).

I suppose there were too many "twins" within the space of 2 lines in your above posts, and that probably has thrown me back in time, right back to a very not twinflame worthy topic, that of Twin Peaks.

Yeah me and my mind, weird duo. lol

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How very kafkaesque. (No, not really.)

posted June 27, 2014 04:17 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I think my spirit is sloooowly returning.

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I knew it would.

It`s tough, but in a way also strengthening.

posted June 27, 2014 07:24 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Indigo,

my mind works mysterious ways.
But reading your post I had a flashback into last night´s dream, and to my shock discovered I had dreamed of Kyle MacLachlan. which probably hasn`t happened in a decade. And it usually never a good sign.
Bringing back the athmosphere of the process (the film by Kafka).

I suppose there were too many "twins" within the space of 2 lines in your above posts, and that probably has thrown me back in time, right back to a very not twinflame worthy topic, that of Twin Peaks.

Yeah me and my mind, weird duo. lol

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LOL Antological.

I can feel here another thread in the making: Twin Flame vs. Twin Peaks

posted June 27, 2014 07:46 AM              

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I'm surprised this didn't have an 'ATTN: Indigo' in the subject.

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Indigo, don't be selfish, you're not the only Twin around

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I think my spirit is sloooowly returning.

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I think so too

posted June 27, 2014 08:29 AM              

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Originally posted by Selene:
I think that the concept of twinflames is misinterpreted.

For me, the term primary soulmate seems more appropriate. It doesn't say that this person has to be your romantic partner each and every lifetime but they are there - in many ways possible. Michael Newton used this concept and i tend to feel that it's true.

I called for mine and he came into my life.

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posted June 27, 2014 08:31 AM              

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You know I don't do perfect .

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I don't believe you. You have a perfect chart!

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When you put a label it, you don't see the relationship as it is.

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Great point.

posted June 27, 2014 08:38 AM              

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Originally posted by amelia28:
It's Neptune that makes us think there is a higher purpose...that makes us feel that there is more than it seems and meets the eye so I think that could mean there is something we don't see or know; more than meets the eye.

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posted June 27, 2014 08:42 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

What about a final romantic partner? Do you think he exists?

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posted June 27, 2014 08:47 AM              

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
Thank you, LeeLoo, for starting this thread. This topic really does twist my head into a pretzel. I'm hoping reading what you guys think about it can help me to sort out some of it.

The gist of my conundrum is that I can see all the sides and viewpoints, and I agree with a lot of what you all have already said. I, too, seem to have a problem feeling comfortable with the label of "twin flame" because there is just so much variance on what the term even means.

For me, personally, there's a lot of baggage with it because I was raised in a traditional Christian setting. I was raised Baptist. These types of things were not even discussed. No one messed with astrology, etc. So, I had absolutely NO preparation for the spiritual awakening that hit me. I was simply not braced for it. Regardless of being ready for it or not, it did hit, and like a Cat 5 Hurricane. Just like a Hurricane doesn't care if you are prepared or not, it still comes.

There I was, just living my life, happily married, but still feeling like something was missing. I felt like my husband was my soulmate "of sorts", but I would be lying if I said that he and I shared a spiritual oneness. Our love is much more practical and "earthy", which I appreciate and love, but merged souls we are not. I always felt like there was someone else out there who was my "spiritual" other half. I had and have no intention of being unfaithful to my husband. I've been faithful to him, and intend to remain so, but my spirit has completely come alive since I first saw the person who triggered the spiritual awakening in me.

Now, I just can't bring myself to call this person my "twin flame", because I'm just not really sure what the heck that even is. I know that all the things I read other people say about the person they call their Twin Flame apply for me in relation to him. Around the same time I saw him, I started seeing 11:11 ALL over the place! It seemed like every time I looked at a clock, it was there. Then, the Crown Chakra activation came, the Pineal Gland activation, the Kundalini Awakening, etc. I had to scramble to figure out what was happening to me because, like I mentioned, my upbringing didn't include any of those terms. I felt like someone raised in the desert being dropped into the ocean.

This man triggered and still triggers immense spiritual growth in me. I feel like something about his spirit just touches my spirit and it feels alive. It's like my spirit is trying to get me to be more true to my own soul's journey and it keeps pointing at him and saying, "There's your teacher. Learn from him." Everything about my attraction to him feels spiritual and awakening and ALIVE. Everything I feel for him is what I read others describe when they use the term Twin Flame, but I still just feel hinky using that term.

Now, if all this were going to remain abstract and remote, then I wouldn't be half as obsessed with getting to the bottom of it as I am. My problem is that I DO have the opportunity to meet this man, and most likely will. Actually, I'll have the opportunity to meet him many times if I so choose. Where this causes me such conflict of conscience is pretty obvious. I'm married and so is he. I feel incredibly drawn to meet him, and it feels almost like I'm destined to. It's inexplicable, but the feeling is there. It may be because my Karma conjuncts his AC and North Node both 0°. It feels like I simply can't avoid it.

I feel like we will, at the very least, end up becoming friends. I think a working relationship, or perhaps some mentor-mentoree relationship, or just a plain friendship for fun could develop. That would be great, because then my conscience doesn't have to be conflicted.

The crux of the problem for me, though, is that I'm afraid I'm deluding myself that all I would want is a platonic friendship. I'm worried that if there really is such a thing as Twin Flames, and if he by some wild chance is mine, then I would want a more intimate relationship with him and would go too far if given the slightest opportunity.

So, my head is telling me to avoid meeting him at all costs, cancel all plans, and cut all involvement with the charity that we would be involved in mutually. My heart says, "HA! Likely chance! You know you have to at least meet him and look him in the eyes."

I was curious to see how our Composite might play out since I am probably going to be meeting him and at least having a working acquaintance, so I ordered Liz Greene's Relationship Report on astro.com. I've found it to be uncannily accurate when I've ordered them for other relationships, so I wanted to see what the report would say. I won't post the whole report since it's so long, but I will say that all the parts of it that applied to how I would feel about him and how the relationship would make me feel were SPOT ON accurate. The report described my feelings for him and the effect he has on me in scarily accurate detail. It also hit the nail on the head when it came to the part where it described the effect the relationship would have on me.

It had a lot of stuff in it that described how he would feel about me, at least, theoretically. Then, there was the part where it described the effect the relationship would have on him. This was some of what it said:

Even though the report was only hypothetical, since we haven't met yet, I can't help but be stirred by it, because I will be meeting him face to face. If the report's even half true, then it makes me not so trusting of myself in keeping to the platonic mentor thing. So, what do I do? So, for now, I can't call him my Twin Flame, so I'll just call him my Obsession.

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Wild Horses, is this the man who is somehow a public figure, who triggered your chakra activation when you saw his face?

I have this idea...he might be triggering this for you because he LOOKS like your Twin (in a way, he's a hologram of your twin), without actually being the Twin. Of course, he might as well be, I have no way of knowing this.

But I think before meeting the actual Twin, we meet holograms of him/her, who look like him, and trigger in us the activation of the idea that maybe there is a twin after all. What do you think about this idea?

posted June 27, 2014 08:56 AM              

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I am not so sure of that. I am not even sure that romance as we know it, really means something to our spiritual selves. Love, on the contrary, may come in various forms and places. Lately i have been thinking that it is our lesson to learn to give and receive love unconditionally. Only then can our souls truly grow. And for that reason you can get a lesson hard way - when your primary soulmate is not giving you the kind of love you want to receive, but you still love him or her. It is like... you want him to be happy even if being happy for him in this lifetime means to be with somebody else and to have you only as a dear friend. But for one thing i am sure - there is always a soul affinity between these two people, who are primary soulmates. Be it a lover, colleague or friend. I don't think that they can ever dislike or hate each other no matter what happens. You can dislike each others actions or opinions but you always stay tuned to be there for each other when necessary.

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This sounds more like a dear friend of your soulmate group. Or maybe he really is your Twin, your Animus, but in this life you are not ready to be romantic partners. I'm not sure about this, if it works this way.

But if he is a dear friend from your soul group, and not the person with whom you have perfect compatibility on all levels, are you ready to accept it?

To be honest, I strongly believe the Twin or a primary soulmate completes us in all forms: physical, mental, spiritual etc. He is the perfect match on all these levels. He can't possibly want to be with another woman.

What about mutuality? Can a primary soulmate want something different than you do?

Of course, I'm circling around my own concept of Twinflame here.

posted June 27, 2014 09:00 AM              

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As a survivor

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A justification for certain behavior is easily made when you 'belong together'.

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Such a great point, Mir! It's a potentially dangerous path, if you look at it this way.

posted June 27, 2014 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
This sounds more like a dear friend of your soulmate group. Or maybe he really is your Twin, your Animus, but in this life you are not ready to be romantic partners. I'm not sure about this, if it works this way.

But if he is a dear friend from your soul group, and not the person with whom you have perfect compatibility on all levels, are you ready to accept it?

To be honest, I strongly believe the Twin or a primary soulmate completes us in all forms: physical, mental, spiritual etc. He is the perfect match on all these levels. He can't possibly want to be with another woman.

What about mutuality? Can a primary soulmate want something different than you do?

Of course, I'm circling around my own concept of Twinflame here.

I wonder if you could provide a link about the primary soulmate concept? I remember I read an article linked from astrologyweekly, can't find it anymore.

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But why not be with another woman? You've got karma with many people, and you have to work through it.

posted June 27, 2014 09:18 AM            

Michael Newton

This i suppose is what i believe is true. Since we can try different roles in our various lifetimes.

posted June 27, 2014 09:34 AM              

Je t'aimais, je t'aime et je t'aimerai

posted June 27, 2014 09:42 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
This sounds more like a dear friend of your soulmate group. Or maybe he really is your Twin, your Animus, but in this life you are not ready to be romantic partners. I'm not sure about this, if it works this way.

But if he is a dear friend from your soul group, and not the person with whom you have perfect compatibility on all levels, are you ready to accept it?

To be honest, I strongly believe the Twin or a primary soulmate completes us in all forms: physical, mental, spiritual etc. He is the perfect match on all these levels. He can't possibly want to be with another woman.

What about mutuality? Can a primary soulmate want something different than you do?

Of course, I'm circling around my own concept of Twinflame here.

I wonder if you could provide a link about the primary soulmate concept? I remember I read an article linked from astrologyweekly, can't find it anymore.

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This is what I am experiencing. Yes, he is a beloved soul from my soul group. Yes, we do complete each other in every way. I miss him like crazy. So why aren't we together right now living happily ever after?

Well, one of the reasons we have this relationship is to help us grow. No one else can push us to grow and change like this person. Often challenges are thrown in your way. For example, we met under difficult circumstances, we were partnered already, we both have children, now we live at a distance, there is an age difference. It's like the universe says, how much do you want this? What are you willing to do? So you grow and change. You realize life isn't black and white. Thatthere are mysteries that can't be explained with the logical mind. That there is an amazing thing called astrology, lol.

I've been told in previous lives he has also been my child. It only makes sense that I was his child at some point too. This is not just a romantic relationship but also is the greatest romantic relationship of your life. This is your most trusted friend and most amazing lover. You have to let go of earth based concepts because they cannot explain it. I had a life between lives regression done with a hypnotherapist. When I asked my spirit guide if he was my soulmate, she said, "Those terms do not exist here. You love each other very much and have spent many lives together."

posted June 27, 2014 10:42 AM              

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
The term Twinflame is too impersonal for my taste, how about this:

Je t'aimais, je t'aime et je t'aimerai

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Awwww....le romantisme francais...so much in tune with our thread.

"Tu seras mon seul projet" awwww (Cappy, no eye-rolling allowed on this one hehehe)

I thought about posting the lyrics in English, this is what I found:

I loved, I love and I'll love you

My naked child on the pebbles
The wind in your undone hair
Like spring on my way
A diamond, fallen off a box,
The light alone could
Could unravel our secret marks
Where my fingers are stuck on your wrists
I love, I love and I'll love you

Whatever you do
Love is everywhere you look
In every corner of the space
In every dream you linger in
There's love galore
Naked on the pebbles

The sky claims he know you
He's so beautiful, it must be true
He, who never approaches
I saw him caught in your nets

The world has so many regrets
So many things are promised
But there's only one thing for which I'm meant to be
I love, I love and I'll love you
Whatever you do
Love is everywhere you look
In every corner of the space
In every dream you linger in
There's love galore
Naked on the pebbles

We'll fly off the same platform
Facing the same reflections
In this life and the next
You'll be my only plan

I'll go and hang your portraits
On all the ceilings of all the palaces
On all the walls I'll find
And right under I'll write

That the light alone could…

And my fingers stuck on you wrists
I loved, I love and I'll love you

Thanks, lovebird

posted June 27, 2014 11:38 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
LOL Antological.

I can feel here another thread in the making: Twin Flame vs. Twin Peaks

Thank god you didn't see Bob or the midget in your dream.

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posted June 27, 2014 11:40 AM              

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Originally posted by Selene:
Over many years of exposure to souls in the spirit world I have developed a means of classifying soulmates. I find the positions of souls within one of three categories bears upon their relationship to us in the drama of life. [b]Primary Soulmates--A primary, or principal soulmate is frequently in our life as a closely bonded partner. This partnership may be our spouse, brother or sister, a best friend, or occasionally a parent.....Companion Soulmates--Our primary soulmate is our eternal partner but we have other souls in our primary cluster group who can be called soulmates. Essentially, they are our soul companions....Affiliated Souls--There are certain affiliated souls in other groups who are selected to work with us who we come to know over many lives, while others may only cross our path briefly. Quite often our parents come from one of these nearby cluster groups.

Michael Newton

This i suppose is what i believe is true. Since we can try different roles in our various lifetimes.

And after all, if two people are friends of opposite sex, they still can both fall in love after some time, it has not to be exactly in the same moment of meeting. [/B]

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