posted June 27, 2014 01:05 PM              

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
One possible aspect that might be looked at is Anteros 1943. Anteros is the god of requitted love. Son of Aphrodite and Ares and brother of Eros. He represents love returned or the avenger of unreturned love or those that scorn love. Could also be love that happens slowly.

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posted June 27, 2014 01:12 PM              

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Originally posted by Enneline:
This is my synastry with my twinflame (according to a psychic and since I "saw" quite some lives with him I am willing to agree) and my love was unrequited, hence a classic case

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wow...it may have been unrequited, but that's one impressive synastry...look at the luminaries cross...it gives me goosebumps...anything there opp the Sun/Moon conjunction (an important asteroid?)

posted June 27, 2014 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Oh, yes, interesting. What would the aspects/configurations be? Anteros unaspacted for one partner is meant to show unrequited?

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Quoting Taineberry in another post:
"Anteros in the natal chart symbolizes the manner in which you reciprocate love. E.g. In Aries in first house....you return love to another in a very direct manner and this is a natural part of the way you project your outer personality.
Eros is your capacity to initiate acts of eroticism/love and Anteros is your capacity to respond to someone else's eroticism/love.

Anteros aspects are common in synastry where there is a reciprocated love relationship. For example: venus conjunct anteros ...... The anteros person returns love to venus person when venus expresses their love interest and appreciation."

We have...
His Anteros 29 27 Libra conjunct my Aphrodite 28 09 And Jupiter 26 25 Libra
Semisextile Neptune 28 24 scorp
Trine Vertex 29 39
Oppose Ceres 29 33

posted June 27, 2014 01:27 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
wow...it may have been unrequited, but that's one impressive synastry...look at the luminaries cross...it gives me goosebumps...anything there opp the Sun/Moon conjunction (an important asteroid?)

I wonder how the composite looks for this synastry.

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Yes, I was having a kind of hard time getting over that "thing" we had. Sure, it was my Pluto who opposes his Venus and my clingy cancer energy would net let me getting out real quick.

re. Asteroid: don't know.
this is our composite

posted June 27, 2014 01:45 PM              

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
Quoting Taineberry in another post:
"Anteros in the natal chart symbolizes the manner in which you reciprocate love. E.g. In Aries in first house....you return love to another in a very direct manner and this is a natural part of the way you project your outer personality.
Eros is your capacity to initiate acts of eroticism/love and Anteros is your capacity to respond to someone else's eroticism/love.

Anteros aspects are common in synastry where there is a reciprocated love relationship. For example: venus conjunct anteros ...... The anteros person returns love to venus person when venus expresses their love interest and appreciation."

We have...
His Anteros 29 27 Libra conjunct my Aphrodite 28 09 And Jupiter 26 25 Libra
Semisextile Neptune 28 24 scorp
Trine Vertex 29 39
Oppose Ceres 29 33

My Anteros 14 06 Taurs trine his Amor 14 09 and his Mars 12 55 Virgo

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My Anteros is conjunct someone`s Valentine exactly (in scorpio).
The funny thing is that in the beginning I felt noticed by him unusually much, which in turn made me pay attention and over time got me totally hooked.

Of course by now the tables have totally turned.
Though maybe not as totally as I might have thought.

posted June 27, 2014 02:49 PM              

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Yes, I was having a kind of hard time getting over that "thing" we had. Sure, it was my Pluto who opposes his Venus and my clingy cancer energy would net let me getting out real quick.

re. Asteroid: don't know.
this is our composite

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This chart is not ugly...it is ruled by Mercury on many levels.

I don't want to encourage you in anything unrequited, or stir some old pains, but these charts look like "marriage" charts If you ever want to explore them more in depth, just for the sake of astrology, I'd love to see them with the love asteroids in the Compilation thread and in a format that shows orbs better (web default).

posted June 27, 2014 03:05 PM              

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
A lot of those are probably primary soulmates but this TF stuff has minimized the importance of soulmates to the point where it isn't good enough to "just be with a soulmate" and that is sad.

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This is the danger with ideal models, I agree. Most people are struggling with "imperfect", yet rewarding loves and there is so much growth with each love experience/relationship. When you build a model (like I did on the Compilation thread, searching for ideal configurations, although most of the things there are based on real-life cases, some apparently very accomplished real life cases though) people come and ask: but we don't have Sun/Moon Venus/Mars and we love each other very much. Does this make our relationship less meaningful? As if there's some sort of elite living the good stuff while others just struggle with imperfect, second-rate relationships. It is not so. There is a path, more likely, to excellence, perfection. And each step of the journey is worth it, IMO. We can't give up ideals and myths though, or models, although it sometimes feels we're a long way from reaching them. But it is a thin and delicate line when we discuss or approach these ideals. And people need both, I guess.

posted June 27, 2014 03:07 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
This chart is not ugly...it is ruled by Mercury on many levels.

I don't want to encourage you in anything unrequited, or stir some old pains, but these charts look like "marriage" charts If you ever want to explore them more in depth, just for the sake of astrology, I'd love to see them with the love asteroids in the Compilation thread and in a format that shows orbs better (web default).

There is apparently one weak point in the synastry: your Saturn/NN, such a major spot for you. However, on a second look, it is strongly connected to his angles and Karma and a bit widely with his Mars. But maybe this is he weak spot of the synastry (no luminaries connection and this is important to you). In the comp too, Saturn/NN is a bit disconnected.

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how can i set "web Default"? Do you prefer astrotheme.com or astro.com?

Marriage? Yes, I know there are some indicators but he said that he never loved me and that he never would. So I think marriage is not going to happen in this life

posted June 27, 2014 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

[B]I'm surprised this didn't have an 'ATTN: Indigo' in the subject.

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Indigo, don't be selfish, you're not the only Twin around

Hey, I'm the new kid on the block. With a show about Twin Flames. And my own currently being an unevolved butt.

Thank God for iQ, though. At least I know when I have NO idea what I'm doing, I can go to him, digitally flailing like a youngster who meant well but erred; the equivalent of, 'I think I just did something really, really bad ... help me?'

Interestingly, he suspected tampering. Not completely outside of the realm of possibility. My mother and I both got hit near-to the same time. I presumed planetary shenanigans, but she was more concerned that we'd not adequately guarded ourselves against certain ubsavoury personalities. ( ... We'll leave it at that.) My mother is a rather powerful force, energetically-speaking; an 'old timer' of the 'New Age' -- before the term really was even a term. And she still turns up her nose at it.

Anyhow. She was hit hard around their anniversary. Just -- zombified. Totally depleted. She said I needed to cleanse and shield. Eh. My own fault. I still take things with a grain of salt. I suppose some of that floating around with my seeking to be liberated from him caused an even greater backlash.

In either case, I've had a veritable army of soul-family come to my aid here in various ways. That's been absolutely incredible. Talk about feeling blessed. It gave me just enough to offer assistance to one who genuinely needed it and will be becoming my client soon.

And today, I'm still okay. It's going to be a bit before I'm back in full swing, but it'll happen.

He also suspected that Fate was pulling more than his 'allotted share' from me. That may be so. I'm wondering if it was hard -- again -- for us to be in each other's presence for a couple of hours. It's never enough. He used to say how just a few hours is nowhere near enough time. All we could ever seem to snag were those infrequent few hour blocks, so we stopped. That's why we hadn't seen each other since 2012. I'm still surprised he made it so clear -- like a demand -- that I be there this past May.

For a few days, it felt like a new beginning. We were more communicative and it seemed the cold war was over. Then he just ... two weeks later, he got mean-spirited. If he'd thought I was intentionally avoiding him while driving through, he knows that isn't right. We've been flying.

Anyhow. It's unusual for him to be this overtly angry with me. He must be going through a difficult time since we saw each other. Maybe it had the same impact it did in 2012 -- but this time, it had been another 2 years, of mostly intense contact. And I'd given him the opportunity -- which he rejected.

He tends to be angry with me when he's angry with himself. JUST me. Aren't I lucky? Puts on a happy face or laid back exterior elsewhere. But then I get the anger.

posted June 27, 2014 03:32 PM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I believe if your twin flame is unrequited love ...then there is a lesson in that your supposed to be learning from.
Once you emotionally detach from the pain and start looking at the situation and asking yourself, what am I supposed to learn from this. I know I'm not supposed to just sit here crying...there is a message that is reflecting something going on inside me. Once I see and learn this lesson it will be a step towards unlocking the love we share.
If your love is blocked....or unrequited it's a reflection of how your not fully loving yourself. Your blocked from love because you can't accept that you deserve this depth of love.
Remember your twin flame and the relationship between you is a mirror reflection of your soul because they are a part of your soul. The way they react to you is reflecting the way you feel about yourself. If you want it to change stop looking at them as the problem and realize the problem is your inability to love yourself and accept that you deserve love.
Stop focusing on them and start realizing they are shoeing you what you need to change in order to raise your vibration to a place that allows this union to happen without hurting both of you.
The twin flame relationship must have both partners strong enough to be whole without the other, if it doesn't happen this way they will implode on each other and becoming weaker because of it.
So personal strength and the ability to fill your own cup, understand how to attain love and love yourself without expecting others to fill that need is probably the most important requirement to have this relationship be positive instead of negative.
When you come together the point is that your strength blends, creating a powerhouse of energy that raises the vibration of anyone who gets near you. It's not your weaknesses that need to blend....if this were to happen you would damage and prolong your ability to come together by many lifetimes.
If he runs, thank him for doing that! He is preserving the purity of the love potential for a time when it won't be so painful it's seriously destructive to you both.
When he runs...realize that means you are not open to loving yourself, he knows you and him are not strong enough to become a powerhouse together...so he runs! The purpose is to become stronger together not tear each other apart by expecting each other to make the other whole.
What's awesome is if you step away and allow yourself to realize it's not him causing the issue, it's both of you not being string enough for the union to happen, you can change it.
If you chose to focus on learning how to love yourself, and grow healthier he will also grow healthier because your souls are connected. He will grow as you grow, your strength will be reflected in him, just as your weaknesses are reflected through each other.
Your the one who understands what's going on logically, so it's your responsibility to change it so that eventually your strong enough to come together without the union being destructive.

Don't push him, push yourself and eventually he will seek you out....because your both finally ready!

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Beautiful post!
And I totally agree that self-love is the key to love and the required process before even meeting a fulfilling love.

But the question here is: is it even possible to meet your twinflame (the real twinflame, not a hologram resembling him more or less, encouraging you to start believing twinflames exist and to look for yours, but still a hologram), your twinflame in flesh and blood, before you are both ready for twinflame love?

posted June 27, 2014 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by jjj:
Gabby, great post, thank you for your post, that s exactly it!

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posted June 27, 2014 03:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I believe if your twin flame is unrequited love ...then there is a lesson in that your supposed to be learning from.
Once you emotionally detach from the pain and start looking at the situation and asking yourself, what am I supposed to learn from this. I know I'm not supposed to just sit here crying...there is a message that is reflecting something going on inside me. Once I see and learn this lesson it will be a step towards unlocking the love we share.
If your love is blocked....or unrequited it's a reflection of how your not fully loving yourself. Your blocked from love because you can't accept that you deserve this depth of love.
Remember your twin flame and the relationship between you is a mirror reflection of your soul because they are a part of your soul. The way they react to you is reflecting the way you feel about yourself. If you want it to change stop looking at them as the problem and realize the problem is your inability to love yourself and accept that you deserve love.
Stop focusing on them and start realizing they are shoeing you what you need to change in order to raise your vibration to a place that allows this union to happen without hurting both of you.
The twin flame relationship must have both partners strong enough to be whole without the other, if it doesn't happen this way they will implode on each other and becoming weaker because of it.
So personal strength and the ability to fill your own cup, understand how to attain love and love yourself without expecting others to fill that need is probably the most important requirement to have this relationship be positive instead of negative.
When you come together the point is that your strength blends, creating a powerhouse of energy that raises the vibration of anyone who gets near you. It's not your weaknesses that need to blend....if this were to happen you would damage and prolong your ability to come together by many lifetimes.
If he runs, thank him for doing that! He is preserving the purity of the love potential for a time when it won't be so painful it's seriously destructive to you both.
When he runs...realize that means you are not open to loving yourself, he knows you and him are not strong enough to become a powerhouse together...so he runs! The purpose is to become stronger together not tear each other apart by expecting each other to make the other whole.
What's awesome is if you step away and allow yourself to realize it's not him causing the issue, it's both of you not being string enough for the union to happen, you can change it.
If you chose to focus on learning how to love yourself, and grow healthier he will also grow healthier because your souls are connected. He will grow as you grow, your strength will be reflected in him, just as your weaknesses are reflected through each other.
Your the one who understands what's going on logically, so it's your responsibility to change it so that eventually your strong enough to come together without the union being destructive.

Don't push him, push yourself and eventually he will seek you out....because your both finally ready!

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This. This, this, this, THIS.

Thank you, Gabby. I echo that a hundred and ten. And all of your advice.

My sadness, I feel, stems from always wondering how what I do -- what I have to do -- affects him. I'm always asking: is he learning? I'm on a helluva journey. Shouldn't he be, too?

But he pushed me to finally love myself -- in bizarre ways, but it certainly worked. Now if only he'd even remotely follow my lead.

I'd never say the love is unrequited. I'd say it's overwhelming and spills over into everything. When it has a context -- the show -- we can both accept it in this indirect fashion. It's as if we try and approach it now, for what it is, we panic.

You can't expect a man who's gone the entirety of his personal life engaging in sport sex to suddenly be accepting of the potential to have an intimate relationship with the one person he believes knows him better than he does himself; the one he calls his soulmate.

Putting it on a distant timeline, and saying we had no expectations kept the door ajar, and us both feeling okay for the moment. But then I became obsessed with an endgame. I missed the whole point of our being together and sharing the connexion we had. iQ explained that he derives energy from my attention. But I received it from his affection. When he confronted the depth of our feelings, we were left in a weird place. We can't just pretend they're not there, and we can't do anything with them. What do you do?

I couldn't take it, so I distanced. That's what prompted him to continue seeking to connect with me, but always in this undefined, but clearly limited fashion.

Things are different now for me. My self-definition isn't so easily shaken. I have a better understanding of many, many things. I can only help that he'll respond and try again, so that we can prepare this campaign, and at least get the pilot script registred with the WGA. Then maybe the process will help him find the same kind of self-definition I've found. Rather than saying the words he doesn't believe, he could have not only established himself as a scientist, but also an artist.

posted June 27, 2014 03:53 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
astro.com "web default style" (Chart drawing style)

Maybe we can find out why he said that despite this synastry/comp

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and here are the orbs

posted June 27, 2014 03:54 PM              

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Originally posted by page one:
Enneline, your Mars doesn't seem to be making any contacts in his chart. And Mars rules his descendant?

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posted June 27, 2014 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Beautiful post!
And I totally agree that self-love is the key to love and the required process before even meeting a fulfilling love.

But the question here is: is it even possible to meet your twinflame (the real twinflame, not a hologram resembling him more or less, encouraging you to start believing twinflames exist and to look for yours, but still a hologram), your twinflame in flesh and blood, before you are both ready for twinflame love?

Personally, I believe twinflames evolve (as souls) in sync. They are both ready at the same time. This is probably one of the key factors of twinflame meetings: synchronization. And synchronicities. And getting together against all odds. Most twinflame stories - some of them can be found on the web - (claiming to be and being together and looking like an accomplished couple) have this in common: getting together against all odds, even changing their previous lives in order to do so.

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posted June 27, 2014 04:02 PM              

Awwww....you burst my bubble with a bam hahahahahaha you'd probably have to change your sex for this one lol

I'll take a look though

Mars is not that unaspected. You have Venus/Mars DW. His Mars opposes your 5th house ruler, apparently makes a Yod with your Pluto/Neptune, trines your Saturn ( a wider orb) and DSC, squares your Mercury/Jupiter and Pysche. And semisextiles your Mars. (check the orb for this one)

posted June 27, 2014 04:13 PM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:

My thought on the twinflame is I believe that if you both can reach this place in your current incarnation...then it's possibly you will meet in this incarnation, potentially before your fully ready, but you will be an ongoing lingering thought in each other's heads as you slowly develop and soulfully grow into each other, separately. After the soul union spiritually becomes strong enough it will manifest into reality.

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But you agree that it has to be mutual...the love!?

I also believe that love, the love they feel, is so overwhelming, like a Moon/Pluto conjunction of sorts combined with Venus/Neptune Moon/Venus...actually all the love aspects there at once. But the mutual longing and loving is excruciating (sometimes you need to make a conscious effort not to think of the person in order to live, if you think of them you feel that overwhelming wave) if they can't be together and it continues when they are together too, but like a celebration.

posted June 27, 2014 04:20 PM              

and that cross is closed with Ceres! and Sun on Valentine/Lust mdp...what a miss ay ay ay

There must be something wrong in this synastry (apart from the fact that he's probably gay)...I'll find out

If not...then it's just like in the song:

posted June 27, 2014 04:25 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
This. This, this, this, THIS.

Thank you, Gabby. I echo that a hundred and ten. And all of your advice.

My sadness, I feel, stems from always wondering how what I do -- what I have to do -- affects him. I'm always asking: is he learning? I'm on a helluva journey. Shouldn't he be, too?

But he pushed me to finally love myself -- in bizarre ways, but it certainly worked. Now if only he'd even remotely follow my lead.

I'd never say the love is unrequited. I'd say it's overwhelming and spills over into everything. When it has a context -- the show -- we can both accept it in this indirect fashion. It's as if we try and approach it now, for what it is, we panic.

You can't expect a man who's gone the entirety of his personal life engaging in sport sex to suddenly be accepting of the potential to have an intimate relationship with the one person he believes knows him better than he does himself; the one he calls his soulmate.

Putting it on a distant timeline, and saying we had no expectations kept the door ajar, and us both feeling okay for the moment. But then I became obsessed with an endgame. I missed the whole point of our being together and sharing the connexion we had. iQ explained that he derives energy from my attention. But I received it from his affection. When he confronted the depth of our feelings, we were left in a weird place. We can't just pretend they're not there, and we can't do anything with them. What do you do?

I couldn't take it, so I distanced. That's what prompted him to continue seeking to connect with me, but always in this undefined, but clearly limited fashion.

Things are different now for me. My self-definition isn't so easily shaken. I have a better understanding of many, many things. I can only help that he'll respond and try again, so that we can prepare this campaign, and at least get the pilot script registred with the WGA. Then maybe the process will help him find the same kind of self-definition I've found. Rather than saying the words he doesn't believe, he could have not only established himself as a scientist, but also an artist.

I would like that.

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