posted June 29, 2014 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Jjj and Gabby,

is this not the feeling of being madly in love, the exhilarating kind, in a higher dose, associated with the famous love chemicals, especially PEA?

[b]When you say you and a romantic partner 'have chemistry' you're right! There is a lot of chemistry involved in feeling attachment, sweaty palms, butterflies in your stomach, etc. Have you ever wondered exactly what chemicals are involved in feeling love? Here's a look at some of the key biochemical players:

phenylethylamine or PEA - This is an amine that naturally occurs in the brain and also in some foods, such as chocolate. It is a stimulant, much like an amphetamine, that causes the release of norepinephrine and dopamine. This chemical is found when you are falling in love. It's responsible for the head-over-heels, elated part of love.

norepinephrine - When PEA causes this chemical to be released, you feel the effects in the form of sweaty palms and a pounding heart.

dopamine - Dopamine is a neurochemical that appears to be associated with mate selection. An Emory University study found that voles (a type of rodent) chose their mate based on dopamine release. When female voles were injected with dopamine in the presence of a male vole, they could select him from a group of voles later.

oxytocin - Dopamine triggers the release of oxytocin, which is sometimes called the 'cuddle hormone'. In both genders, oxytocin is released during touching. In women, oxytocin is released during labor and breast feeding.

testosterone - Though you might think of testosterone as a male hormone, both men and women produce it. Raw lust is accompanied by a surge in testosterone levels.

endorphins - Your brain acquires a tolerance to the love stimulants and starts to release endorphins. The honeymoon is over, chemically, around 18 months to 4 years into a relationship. However, this isn't all bad. Endorphins are associated with feelings of attachment and comfort. Endorphins are like opiates. They calm anxiety, relieve pain and reduce stress.[/B]

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posted June 29, 2014 06:14 PM            

This list of dopamine, PEA etc reminds of my recent chemistry revision of amines with my teenager.... I dont want to go there again!!!

I have had similar dynamics all my life... with 3 men before him... with all of them I had Venus-Chiron... one was ages ago... it was a brotherly soul love, not physical attraction, he started to avoid me... the next was very karmic, the energy was very intense and somehow similar, but more plutonic, he started to avoid me as well, I cried a lake of tears, although we were not compatible sexually... then came again a brotherly love, without sexual attraction, but very strong soul pull, my Aries Chiron on his Venus exactly, his Chiron trined my Venus exactly, our souls pulled like magnets, but he disappeared as well... all these men disappeared... long distance, another country, another town.

With the latest one the energy is much more intense, and the dance is like Gabby described... the difference is that although he avoids me (not so much recently), he is still in my life and we see each other against all odds (mostly by chance, Im thankful for destiny for that). This makes a huge difference for me... that he continues to dance this tango with me. And the physical attraction is magnetic as well, although our contact has been only platonic.

Why cant you be with yours, Gabby.. ?

As for men chiming in... most men are ashamed to admit that they dance this dance, that they have so strong feelings for someone, they dont consider this manly (he is one of them, so we nearly never talk about it but the little he has said has convinced me that he feels the same).

posted June 29, 2014 07:30 PM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
I don't think this is the same feeling. I have felt the "chemical" reaction many times when attracted to people. I have never felt this type of energy with anyone else. If I had to try and describe it simply, I would say it feels like you are two giant magnets pulling on each other. I always knew when he entered the room even with my backed turned because I felt his energy. Chakras are definitely involved. I'm assuming this energy helps create the great physical attraction, too. I have never been more attracted to anyone. He is the best looking man in the world to me. More attractive than any actor or rockstar. Wild Horses says she only feels spiritual love but that isn't my experience. I'm in the lust camp! I guess this is what they call "the third energy".

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OMG....it's so funny you talk about the magnet pull! I felt that to, it's was strong he saw me, and tried to talk to me but I was busy and didn't come back over to talk to him. I was dating someone at the time so I ignored guys if they tried to talk to me.
He was only in town for 2 days, he came back the next day and I wasn't working, he left town but sent ppl from my area back into my work regularly to find me and get my name for him. Shortly after i was transferred to another location to do some training...i stayed there a year and then came back. A year later he found me again, went to talk to me but I was swamped evidently and again didn't go back to him.
So he waited 3 hours for me to get a break and finally walked up to me and stood in my way so I didn't run off, this is the my 1st memory of him, he quietly said, with the cutest lil sad puppy dog look on his face, "do you just hate me or something?"
I looked up at him when he said that and felt lightening hit me, literally! My heart jumped the second I looked him in the eye!
I took a break and then found a way to get off work totally and we went to eat at an IHOP, lol! We stayed there all night talking....a storm knocked the lights out, we were the only ppl in the restaurant because it was about 2 or 3am. They lit candles for us and we kept talking for a few more hours....it was so sweet!

I know logically when I look at pictures of him, he's not the sexiest guy on earth....but still he is to me! I could not resist him now, no way! Just being in the same room with him and I get clumsy and stumble over my words and giggle in this stupid way even after 6+ years!! Lol
I prefer to text him so I can maintain some dignity....he thinks it's so adorable and gets the biggest smile when I walk into things and trip over stuff....thank god! He knows how he affects me....he asks me why? He says he's not that cute, he always says I'm so much more attractive than him so he can't believe I would want him. I disagree...I don't see what he looks like, I just see his soul and it's so beautiful! Honestly though he's cute in a rugged boyish way, cap AC conjunct Eros...he's hotter than he knows, maybe not typical "hot" but the way he moves, his energy and look in his eyes.....makes me weak! I've shown ppl pics and there like, hmmm....ok? I could paste a link to his bio n pics for his work.
My lust and Angel sits on his AC and Eros...ugh!
His Uranus is conjunct my Karma exact, and 2 degrees from my AC on my 12th house side.
My Uranus is exact opposed his Sun, his Sun is in my 7th but 1 degree from being on my 8th house cusp.

posted June 29, 2014 07:59 PM            

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Originally posted by maira:
Great-great posts, Gabby! I have to re-read the thread and save them. You described the energy perfectly! And one question, if it's not too personal: you said that that energy destroyed your relationship, how did you get over it? Did you get over it? I seem to be stuck in limbo, knowing that I made the best decision in severing the relationship, but some days it's really hard. Thank you again for your enlightening posts!

And an off-topic: LeeLoo, I've been meaning to ask you, and now Gabby too, are you from .ro? I'll remove this one later

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We dated long distance for a year, we talked 24/7!
He woke me up every morning calling to say good morning, something's we talked all night to.
He was working in my area for a few months and we were seeing each regularly so his friend, who had tried to get me to like him found out we were into each other.
He started saying horrible things about my guy...I ignored it at first but eventually told my guy what he was saying because they were supposedly best friends.
He was sad but just wanted to let it go....
One night his friend came into my work and told me my guy had a live in girlfriend and that he already left without saying goodbye to me. Absolutely broke my heart! I had a silver bracelet made for him that had silver plates carved into things that represented all his most important events in his life, is just picked it up that day from the jeweler. I was so upset I showed his friend the bracelet, he told me how my guy didn't deserve that or me and told me he'd buy it from me so I didn't lose all my money from it. I didn't want to but eventually let him talk me into it. He left and tried to call my guy...couldn't get him, I left a message crying and told him what he's friend had told me and wanted to know why?
He called me early in the morning as soon as he got the message...he had been asleep. Said he was in a dream and didn't see reality.
We split, he had to figure out what he was going to do. He's a 4x taurus with a cap AC, money is his life. So it was kind of choosing me or money! He didn't do anything at first but became so stressed n kind of suicidal, as I did to! We went through insanity because we passed this pain back n forth. His friend started harassing me and wouldn't leave me alone.

We both kind if died together! We have been best friends since but the impact of that pain still is there...I think we are both terrified of feeling that again, we both hurt so bad, it felt like i died like I couldn't breath anymore. Seeing him hurt like that broke me and when I would call crying it was overload on both of us, the hurt ripped us up.

posted June 29, 2014 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
OMG....it's so funny you talk about the magnet pull! I felt that to, it's was strong he saw me, and tried to talk to me but I was busy and didn't come back over to talk to him. I was dating someone at the time so I ignored guys if they tried to talk to me.
He was only in town for 2 days, he came back the next day and I wasn't working, he left town but sent ppl from my area back into my work regularly to find me and get my name for him. Shortly after i was transferred to another location to do some training...i stayed there a year and then came back. A year later he found me again, went to talk to me but I was swamped evidently and again didn't go back to him.
So he waited 3 hours for me to get a break and finally walked up to me and stood in my way so I didn't run off, this is the my 1st memory of him, he quietly said, with the cutest lil sad puppy dog look on his face, "do you just hate me or something?"
I looked up at him when he said that and felt lightening hit me, literally! My heart jumped the second I looked him in the eye!
I took a break and then found a way to get off work totally and we went to eat at an IHOP, lol! We stayed there all night talking....a storm knocked the lights out, we were the only ppl in the restaurant because it was about 2 or 3am. They lit candles for us and we kept talking for a few more hours....it was so sweet!

I know logically when I look at pictures of him, he's not the sexiest guy on earth....but still he is to me! I could not resist him now, no way! Just being in the same room with him and I get clumsy and stumble over my words and giggle in this stupid way even after 6+ years!! Lol
I prefer to text him so I can maintain some dignity....he thinks it's so adorable and gets the biggest smile when I walk into things and trip over stuff....thank god! He knows how he affects me....he asks me why? He says he's not that cute, he always says I'm so much more attractive than him so he can't believe I would want him. I disagree...I don't see what he looks like, I just see his soul and it's so beautiful! Honestly though he's cute in a rugged boyish way, cap AC conjunct Eros...he's hotter than he knows, maybe not typical "hot" but the way he moves, his energy and look in his eyes.....makes me weak! I've shown ppl pics and there like, hmmm....ok? I could paste a link to his bio n pics for his work.
My lust and Angel sits on his AC and Eros...ugh!
His Uranus is conjunct my Karma exact, and 2 degrees from my AC on my 12th house side.
My Uranus is exact opposed his Sun, his Sun is in my 7th but 1 degree from being on my 8th house cusp.

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That is such a sweet story Gabby! Doesn't sound like a case of unrequited love to me. He seemed very determined to meet you! When I first met my guy we were both with other people and never really alone but he often used to hang around way longer then he needed to and so did I. I can totally relate to bumping into things, being tongue tied, etc. It's hard to even look at him. . Sometimes I'm kind of relieved he doesn't live close by so I am not constantly preoccupied with worrying about bumping into him.

Thats funny, his Karma conjuncts my Uranus which trines my Karma. We have Venus/Uranus DW and Moon/Chiron DW. His outer planets really do a number on my mine. We have lust square lust, too which conjuncts and sextiles our Sehkmet/Ptah conjunction.

posted June 29, 2014 08:47 PM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
That is such a sweet story Gabby! Doesn't sound like a case of unrequited love to me. He seemed very determined to meet you! When I first met my guy we were both with other people and never really alone but he often used to hang around way longer then he needed to and so did I. I can totally relate to bumping into things, being tongue tied, etc. It's hard to even look at him. . Sometimes I'm kind of relieved he doesn't live close by so I am not constantly preoccupied with worrying about bumping into him.

Thats funny, his Karma conjuncts my Uranus which trines my Karma. We have Venus/Uranus DW and Moon/Chiron DW. His outer planets really do a number on my mine. We have lust square lust, too which conjuncts and sextiles our Sehkmet/Ptah conjunction.

By the way Gabby, I haven't been singing your little ditty everyday but I have put an unconditional trust on my intuition and think it is really coming on strong because of it, thank you!

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Wow! You have Uranus/Karma to?? We have the Karma/Chiron connection also!!
His karma is exact on my Chiron and his Chiron is on my DC exact, which opposes our Karma/Uranus and my Pluto.
His lust trines my Mars!
My lust is conjunct my Valentine and Eros, his Valentine is exact on my Valentine, all square my Pluto, trine his Saturn/my Juno and sextile his NN.

posted June 29, 2014 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
It's the distance here, too. Still, we managed to be in constant contact. Add to that paranoia, major issues, fears of abandonment ... it's a nasty cocktail.

Augh. I can't get this song out of my head. It's driving me crazy! First I loved it, now ... it's like I want to scream, 'I GET THE POINT!'.

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posted June 29, 2014 11:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Wow! You have Uranus/Karma to?? We have the Karma/Chiron connection also!!
His karma is exact on my Chiron and his Chiron is on my DC exact, which opposes our Karma/Uranus and my Pluto.
His lust trines my Mars!
My lust is conjunct my Valentine and Eros, his Valentine is exact on my Valentine, all square my Pluto, trine his Saturn/my Juno and sextile his NN.

Edit-how did you put an unconditional trust on your intuition...that sounds awesome!

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He's cute Gabby. I didn't see your second post, it must have crossed with mine. It must be terrifying for you knowing he's driving into tornadoes. I'm sorry it didn't work out. No reconciliation possible?

His Karma conjunct my Uranus at 4 libra, my karma trines at 3 Gemini. Creates a grand trine with his Venus at 4 Aqua. No, we don't have Karma/Chiron his Moon cj my Chiron and my Moon trines his Chiron.

posted June 29, 2014 11:24 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

This is very interesting. However, I'm thinking it's not random that those people actually don't know each other. Some of them will never meet. So it doesn't matter if they have good contacts in their synastry. They are not destined to meet. So doing their synastry is futile, I guess. Even in the case of astro twins, there are differences and probably those differences play a lot in regards to relationships. Otherwise, they would both fall in love with the same person, and this doesn't happen often. I believe synastries are not random, they do show the story between two people. Sometimes the connection or the disconnection is more difficult to spot, but it must be there. It's like a map of reality.

Regarding NN conjunct Vertex, it only shows those two people are meant to meet each (the possibility in fact, not the certainty(, it doesn't show the nature of the relationship. Many aspects there combined show the nature of the relationship, IMO. And you can try for instance to run some synastries with some celebs: you will find NN conjunct Vertex or angles or many contacts there, but it is unlikely you will ever meet them in person. This doesn't depend on synastric aspects.

So I guess synastries only come into play and should be looked at only if two people already met, this is when the map becomes active.

About unrequited love...it is possibly very complex and I intend to discuss that in depth.

What do you think the aspects or markers of unrequited are?

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I'm glad to hear you say that. I guess I am looking for assurance. Although, in the case of my friend and my SM, they may meet sometime in the future. I get this feeling she may be in my soul group (with him) and we may have hooked up to help each other. We have very similar issues and our charts are so similar.

What markers would there be? That's tough. Probably Neptune, my favorite aspect Neptune square/oppose Venus...creates illusions. Pluto...unhealthy obsession.
What about Echo and Narcissus, Nessus and Dejaniera, Apollo and Daphne. Pluto and Persephone, a love that develops slowly.

posted June 29, 2014 11:31 PM            

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
He's cute Gabby. I didn't see your second post, it must have crossed with mine. It must be terrifying for you knowing he's driving into tornadoes. I'm sorry it didn't work out. No reconciliation possible?

His Karma conjunct my Uranus at 4 libra, my karma trines at 3 Gemini. Creates a grand trine with his Venus at 4 Aqua. No, we don't have Karma/Chiron his Moon cj my Chiron and my Moon trines his Chiron.

What I meant was, I just accept unconditionally whatever I am getting from my intuition. I don't question it and I don't try to talk myself out of believing it.

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The safest ppl are the ones that know about tornadoes and they are very very careful...plus he isn't doing it anymore. He's onto other dangerous filming adventures....ugh! He was filming surfers in the most dangerous waters on Earth, fortunately that's over!

I kind of doubt our relationship is over...last time we spoke he was seeing someone else, I didn't realize that before I told him how deeply my feelings still were for him. His response was, I had no idea you still felt like that. I thought you'd never want to be with me again. Then he said, you said you were going to move? Why didn't you move here?
I said I didn't know you wanted me to...he said I was afraid to say anything, I still don't get why you like so much after all the lies I told you.
I said, I've thought about that...I don't know how I would have reacted if I'd met you when I was with someone, esp in a relationship I was trapped in and miserable. It was like we were a tornado the moment we met, an unstoppable energy!
He told me the timing of me telling him that I stilled felt like this was terrible, he was about to go visit his girlfriends family with her for a week.
Then asked me if we could see each other again as soon as he got back....he started getting excited and said he couldn't believe we had been able to stay away from each other for years. It's been me that avoids him, he's tried to see me several times but I'm scared to get that energy flowing again if it can't go anywhere.
I'm actually thinking about moving closer to him...my job has positions there. I know if we were anywhere near each other, we would be inseparable.

posted June 29, 2014 11:50 PM            

I feel so bad for breaking down and crying about his ex friend harassing me....if I would have handled it better he wouldn't have felt all my pain and went to do something about it and exploded on that guy. Then he wouldn't have lost his show! He tells me it wasn't my fault, the crew and production was getting to big and Discovery didn't want to pay for it anymore because it wasn't making enough money for them. I still wish I could have handled everything better.

We can destroy each other and ourselves or uplift each other...I want to be uplifting! I needed to get myself stronger and healthier to be able to be good for each other, if I didn't we would only destroy each other again.
You know he's the only person on earth who has read my entire life story a few times...as I was writing my book, the one he encouraged me to write, he read every page every time I edited and re-edited, he wanted to read it.

posted June 30, 2014 03:06 AM            

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Lol....which song?

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I don't even know, Gabby. I don't even know.

posted June 30, 2014 07:45 AM              

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Originally posted by maira:
Great-great posts, Gabby! I have to re-read the thread and save them. You described the energy perfectly! And one question, if it's not too personal: you said that that energy destroyed your relationship, how did you get over it? Did you get over it? I seem to be stuck in limbo, knowing that I made the best decision in severing the relationship, but some days it's really hard. Thank you again for your enlightening posts!

And an off-topic: LeeLoo, I've been meaning to ask you, and now Gabby too, are you from .ro? I'll remove this one later

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posted June 30, 2014 07:46 AM              

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
I don't think this is the same feeling. I have felt the "chemical" reaction many times when attracted to people. I have never felt this type of energy with anyone else. If I had to try and describe it simply, I would say it feels like you are two giant magnets pulling on each other. I always knew when he entered the room even with my backed turned because I felt his energy. Chakras are definitely involved. I'm assuming this energy helps create the great physical attraction, too. I have never been more attracted to anyone. He is the best looking man in the world to me. More attractive than any actor or rockstar. Wild Horses says she only feels spiritual love but that isn't my experience. I'm in the lust camp! I guess this is what they call "the third energy".

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lol nothing wrong with "lust camp"

posted June 30, 2014 08:05 AM              

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Originally posted by jjj:

As for men chiming in... most men are ashamed to admit that they dance this dance, that they have so strong feelings for someone, they dont consider this manly (he is one of them, so we nearly never talk about it but the little he has said has convinced me that he feels the same).

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Thank you for sharing, jjj. Wow those are lovely Chiron aspects...

About the above. I honestly believe this is not true. I consider this a self-consolation feminine myth. Just my opinion. I think when a man's in love with a woman (and he's free, of course) he's like a moth to a lamp. Definitely doesn't want to be someplace else. And they are all action heroes, to be honest. Even the shy and recluse.

posted June 30, 2014 08:36 AM              

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Ok without reading all the responses, the thing I don't like about the TF concept is that it assumes there is one "ultimate" love out there- even if we choose to define it as something 'beyond' romantic love, it's still a form of love since love equals unity...

Also relationships aren't static, unrequited can mean one person is 'into it' while the other person isn't, but then the tables turn down the line (which again plays into the concept of unity- cutting the "cord" isn't always so simple)

Clearly I believe in astrology, so I know there are some valid and mathematical ways of defining these relationships... but to be honest I really don't think astrology tells the whole story, our 2D synastry/composite charts can't account for everything. This is just my random first impression to this question, so I'm sorry for missing the details that've gone on in this discussion...

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Hi, FireMoon, how are you?

I agree with you, all these ultimate love theories may suggest on one hand that some loves are less worthy, whilst they all are. But it's just an ideal concept, a myth.

About the chord... to be honest, I don't think there's any cord in a genuine unrequited case. A cord has two ends. It implies two people feel the same longing, love, wanting at the same time with the same intensity.

Sometimes, when there was real love and it ends, one cuts the cord sooner than the other. The other is left in pain, with a limp cord, hanging like a detached umbilical cord. It usually withers by itself, but sometimes it needs to be cut or else it gets infected.

When there has been an unrequited situation more or less from the beginning, there wasn't any cord in a first place. Just one of the persons with a bow with arrows, shooting their arrows to the other, target missed.

I agree with you that sometimes unrequited is not unrequited anymore, although, if there hasn't been a mutual attraction from the beginning, most of the times even if the relationship happens, there are problems or it doesn't last. And even if there is a chance sometimes in the future unrequited becomes requited, I don't think we should be on standby for that, it may or it may not happen and life is too short for that.

posted June 30, 2014 08:43 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thank you for sharing, jjj. Wow those are lovely Chiron aspects...

About the above. I honestly believe this is not true. I consider this a self-consolation feminine myth. Just my opinion. I think when a man's in love with a woman (and he's free, of course) he's like a moth to a lamp. Definitely doesn't want to be someplace else. And they are all action heroes, to be honest. Even the shy and recluse.

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It the two are free, then of course... even tough there still can be exceptions... some people are really badly damaged.

Mine is married w a small child, that changes a lot--- And he also admitted that his marriage is not based on feelings, that feelings are for teenagers... Aqua moon.

posted June 30, 2014 08:56 AM            

He must be my age. A few months older, my Mars is in Cancer. We have Kaali too.
Uranus 4 Libra
Karma 4 Libra
Karma 3Gemini
Venus 4 Aqua
Kaali 3/Parvati 5 Taurus (his Siva 1Aqua)
SN and NN 3 and 1 Pisces/Virgo
Parvati 3 Pisces
Destinn 6 Cancer
Spirit 2 Leo

If you have a chance to try again you must. Even if it means heartbreak. I know you have been going through an awakening, what about him? Did this have any spiritual effect on him? Following surfers, that is even worse!

posted June 30, 2014 09:11 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
lol nothing wrong with "lust camp"

KM< is he the guy on the other thread, with Moon/Pluto?

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LMAO! Hell, no LeeLoo!

posted June 30, 2014 09:17 AM              

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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
LMAO! Hell, no LeeLoo!

I have an example for you though. Pluto/Moon guy had a beautiful wife from Eastern Europe. She hated it here in America. Eventually she got fed up and returned. He let her go even though I think he really loved her, or at least more than he has ever loved anyone else. He said he could never live over there because he couldn't speak the language. I was like, just learn the language! He couldn't go through with the thought of selling his house and everything and moving to Europe despite his Sag Moon. So there is a case of a man truly in love but not following his heart. I think men put their minds before hearts most of the time.

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lol he wasn't that much in love then, me thinks. Maybe they were incompatible and that's why she left and he probably knew it

posted June 30, 2014 10:55 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
lol he wasn't that much in love then, me thinks. Maybe they were incompatible and that's why she left and he probably knew it

I think sometimes being in love is not enough. You must also believe in the relationship, believe in long term compatibility with that person if you are to make such a move.

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