posted July 16, 2014 10:02 PM            

I'm using that phrase until a better one comes along. Here goes...

Hypothetically, you have a thing with someone born on the 1st of the month. They're 20yo so their chart have progressed to the 21st. Years later you meet someone born on the 21st, suddenly what was a progressed chart is now a natal chart.

Or, conversely, the second person was born days before, say six days but you meet them six years after you parted ways with the first person. This would mean that you're dealing with the same progressed chart for a second time.

Have any of you guys experienceD this?? I have a notebook full of such happenings. What's the significance/meaning??

posted July 17, 2014 04:27 AM              

not quite the same as what you were describing, but I was noticing it in terms of solar arcs.

Well, this guy and me have a 5 degree Venus-Mars-trine in natal synastry, and usually i wouldn´t even really count that big of an orb, but I am pretty sure I can feel it.
It just dawned on my a few weeks ago, that because we have an age difference of 5 years, this trine is moving in step with the solar arc.

Right now his sa Mars is at 16 Libra and my sa Venus is at 16 Aquarius, while of course the solar arc movement is rather "static" as it does not vary in speed, I find this interesting now as my sa Venus is about to conjunct my natal Moon on 17 Aquarius.

I know that some astrologers say you are not to compare solar arcs to natal in synastry, but quite frankly I don´t see the reason why not, if progressions work natally and solar arcs work natally, and progressions work synastrically, why would solar arc not work synastrically as well.
As a matter of fact I know that they work, have observed it first hand too often for it to be coincidental.

Anyway usually i only check solar arc to natal for synastry, as the solar arcs themselves move with the same spead, and thus aspects within them stay the same, what I did not figure in was the age difference though, that can result in different aspects between two individual solar arcs pictures (different from birth picture), of course once asessed, this solar arc- solar arc synastry will stay the same throughout the whole life, just the activation of the natal will change.

posted July 17, 2014 05:34 AM            

With the guy I am attracted to (it is mutual, but complicated hehe) we have this Mars-Venus applying opposition and parallel (a pretty rare event) in our geo, helio and draco progressed composites. The is also an applying Sun-Venus conjunction.

posted July 17, 2014 06:27 AM              

I'm beginning to think progressed aspects (progressed to progressed) show the dynamics of a relationship, specifically why two people experience something at some point - for example a Moon applying to Mars or Saturn could show the moment they become parents, theoretically. (actually, this is a good one to check and I wanted to do this with my parents).

Or why they got together at that particular moment in time. But I have this idea that progressed aspects are only "triggers", it doesn't mean that an applying aspect shows the relationship is to last or even begin or an aspect entering the separation phase means they are meant to separate. I think the applying aspect shows there's a chance for them to get together in that time frame: the aspect does its job by applying, then it separates because the job is done (such as getting them together) and other aspects come into play, reflecting another possible stage of the relationship.

Also, I think an applying aspect basically shows one person "applying" to the other, as in reaching out, but it doesn't ensure mutuality ( so having mutual aspects is perhaps better than one Sun/Venus for instance). For example, as Mir found out, in the case of my cousin's divorce, her Venus applying to a conjunction to his Sun just as the divorce started - her love for him is certainly enhanced now, and by the divorce, but it's apparently not mutual.

I'm thinking the comparison natal/progressed is more relevant in terms of mutuality and long term, because it means the stages in one-s life are congruent with the other's "permanent" chart.

posted July 17, 2014 06:38 AM              

However in the case of people with strong core-synastry AND progressions, that might be the incentive they need, and then they realize just how much in synch they are.

Also I believe in the trigger-potential, yes.
Actually i would also chekc the slow planets transits for that, what is being triggered.

As for Venus-Sun, well it does not even need to be because it is a progression, but I have often found if there was only a Venus-Sun and not much else, it was relating to a onesided admiration on part of the Venus-person.

posted July 17, 2014 06:48 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
[B]While i think that relationships can be triggered by progressions, even if the synastry is lacking, it probably is more indicative of an affair, that will not reach too deep. it will not really touch both people`s core.

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Yes, indeed. The nature of the synastry shows the lasting potential, if any. And the nature of the relationship.

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Actually i would also chekc the slow planets transits for that, what is being triggered.

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How do we do that? You mean transits to progressions/composite/natals or solar arc compared to natals?

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posted July 17, 2014 07:14 AM              

For example let`s say you have Moon at 16 Aries and another has Sun at 16 Libra.

posted July 17, 2014 08:04 AM              

I checked my parents progressions for the day we were born (the three daughters) - actually for conception day:

my conception

progressed-to-progressed

her Moon conjunct his Pluto exact square his Lust, quincunx his Mars (1)
his Moon opp her Pluto (5)
his Mars trine her Priapus (1)
her Mars conjunct his Juno/Lilith (1)
his saturn conjunct her Juno (1) trine her Ceres (2)
her Saturn conjunct his Priapus (4)
her Jupiter conjunct his Avx trine his Uranus
his Jupiter conjunct her Lilith (2)

so a Moon/Pluto DW

progressed to natal

his pMars conjunct her nSun exact, trine her Eros,
her nMoon/Pluto opp his pMoon exact!square his pUranus trine his pSaturn (2)
her nMoon also conjunct ceres/Priapus
his pMoon conjunct her nAmor/Lust
his pSaturn square her nMars exact, trine her Moon/Pluto

so Moon/Saturn DW

her pMars conjunct his nLilith
her pSaturn square his nMars

so Mars/Saturn DW - the work was hard, apparently hehe

my sister 1 conception

progressed -to -progressed

Moon still conjunct Pluto
his Mars still trine her Priapus/Ceres, now opp her Uranus
his Moon opp her Ceres and Pluto wider
and most of aspects still there (my sister and I - 2 years apart)

my sister 2 conception (9 years apart) - let's see

progressed-to-progressed

her Moon opp his Moon
his Moon opp her Eros trine her Neptune and her Mars (a few minutes)
his Mars trine her Saturn/Priapus
her Mars opp his Pluto exact, to the second! conjunct his Juno square his Uranus exact
his Saturn trine her Pluto (4) and her Eros
her Saturn conjunct his Priapus trine his Mars

posted July 17, 2014 08:25 AM              

In another synastry example, I have Sun opp Moon, and at some point, I have Sun conjunct Moon in progressed - to - progressed synastry, for a long time.

EDIT: as Ceri pointed out, not that long in terms of progressions, about 3 months.
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posted July 17, 2014 08:54 AM              

However a Sun-Moon, progressed to progressed wouldn´t last that long, as the progressed Moon is such a quick mover.

Sophia Mason gives it a 3 months frame (for progressed Moon aspects) - one month applying, one month exact, one month separating (orb is one degree of course)

posted July 17, 2014 09:16 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You are right, in terms of progressions, this is not a long time. The progressed composite Moon/Sun takes about 1 1/2, 2 years.

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posted July 17, 2014 09:20 AM              

Perhaps I'm wrong, and only the moment counts? When it is 2 deg apart? You think it's not at all felt before that?

posted July 17, 2014 09:33 AM              

For 3 deg: Nov Moon 3 apll to Sun, May next year Moon 3 sep from Sun - so 5 months.

Which gives the 3 month window you were talking about - for the actual "event"

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posted July 17, 2014 12:19 PM            

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I think progressed can be another clue (apart from the focal points in the synastry) to why people who don't have a connective synastry get together, but they can't replace the synastry.

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But the big question will Always be; WHAT is connective synastry and what isn't?
There are too many different views on that, we can take the Magi-astro approach (which was a big discovery with great results for me), we can take the Cochrane-approach (great also!), we can take the Lotus-White approach.. well, it's soo subjective all that I'm inclined to say; it clearly has to be a bit of ALL.

Well, there's more consensus about the progressions and I love that.

And to conclude: I've seen TOO many great, perfect synastry charts with nothing coming out-of-it.

posted July 17, 2014 04:59 PM              

Looking the other way around, at long-term couples who have worked, you notice there ARE connective synastries. At least this is my experience. I work with a database of long-term couples. Perhaps today we can define a long-term couple as a 5 year long couple. But to be honest, 90% percent of my database are relationships over 10 years: mostly couple having a family, having been together for a long time etc. I don't have ONE synastry among them which is not connective in the classical sense: aspects (many of them) between planets, personal planets, angles. Sometimes the aspects are not necessarily romantic as in Moon Venus Venus Mars etc. but there you have aspects between love rulers. Sometimes the relationship doesn't suggest a lot of romanticism, but a strong friendship or a marital connection. But they are all connective. However, even in those cases, there are at least 3 overall romantic aspects - with romantic potential. I have more than 50 personal cases, celebrities not included. But I've studied those as well. Apart for some requests, I've selected those couples myself for my love mandala research with a questionnaire (and many people I know), because I wanted synastries based on long-term love/romance. So I'm using many people I know personally and evaluated (of course, as much as I can) as still loving each other after a long time. Some of them are lifetime partners. If you can show me a disconnected synastry that went over 10 years...I'll eat it I have seen zero so far.

I believe a progressed aspect such as his pMars conjunct her nVenus behaves in a Neptunian (or perhaps Uranian) way when it is not backed up by a connective synastry: when the progression begins to separate (if these progressions studies are relevant and they seem to be), those two people wake up like from a dream and wonder: what the hell happened? and perhaps it turns into an affair or a short term relationship as Ceri says.

That being said, your research inspires a lot of passion in me, Mir: progressions are fascinating and I can't wait for you to tell us more

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posted July 18, 2014 10:48 AM            

GEO Progressed-to-Progressed

(14-2-2001)

Well, the first thing that grabbed me by the throat;

Orange’s pVenus: 14'13 Scorp
His pVenus: 15'06 Scorp

^ At that moment it was already separating but still very tangible I would say.
2 years later it was already separating by 2 degr.

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GEO Progressed-to-natal

Striking is this;

- Her progressed Sun: 0'43 Libra
- His natal Sun: 0'57 Libra

- His progressed Mars: 23'22 Aqua
- Her natal Mars: 23'58 Leo

Also;
Her pVenus was separating from a square to his nMars (by 0'50) (and ofcourse also his own pVenus separating from a square to his nMars ^ - he had btw, an applying pVenus/pMars parallel by 0'14 which reached its peak 2 years later - I'm mentioning this because I see somehow a connection with their PVenus/pVenus one ^)

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Progressed Geo Composite: appl. Moon/Vertex conjunction by 0'43.
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Helio progressions...

Well, I don't see a thing, or not much in there. At least not connected at-first-sight.

- Her pVenus in an appl. opposition to her pMars (0'35)
- His pVenus in a separating trine from his pMars (less than 2*)

This ^ makes in the progressed helio compo a separating Venus/Mars quincunx (by 0'36)

BUT.. look at their helio natals; they share a tight DW Venus/Mars sextile in their Helio synastry.
Which makes a tight Venus/Mars oppostion by 1'05 in the Helio composite.

It almost looks like a trigger ^, if you get the vibe.

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OK, Conclusion: the markers (Venus) were already separating.. but I seem to notice that this is pretty common when things get off the ground. Tight separating strong progressed aspects..but point is; is there anything left after that? In this case, clearly not.

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