posted July 25, 2014 12:00 PM            

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They got married when his helio pr Earth squared her n Venus (1 degree applying)

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I noticed the exact same one, during the marriage of a famous royal couple here.

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Not sure how to weigh the helios anyway

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posted July 25, 2014 12:03 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I certianly do not discredit the findings of WEstran (though if we rely only on his findings we will have to leave out the helio for sure, as well as the pr Moon and angles, as he did not use them either), his findings are amazing. Period.
Proven over and over again.

Still that does not mean we canīt form our own thoughts and do our own research as well (of course probably not as elaborate as his. It was exemplary).

Actually I checked and when my friend and her husband got together they were having a progressed Venus-Sun-square, it is very possible though that it was a separating one, so another confirming factor of the theory.

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I agree with this. The point was not to contest Westran's work. Even if I or anyone else wants to do that (for example to prove couples can get together during a Sun/Venus square), a few examples are not enough and one needs to do a research as valid as he did, statistically. So far and until further proof, he statistically proved that.

But I have noticed squares (other squares) simply point to a turning point. I will show you some examples. I have this example myself: we got together during an exact Mars/Mars square and my opinion is that this square was in fact definitory for the getting together, because of the circumstances surrounding our meeting. But we did have Venus apll to Sun and many other Westran aspects, so this finding does not exclude Westran's findings.

posted July 25, 2014 12:08 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
checking certified couples is a good idea.

my parents on their wedding day had (just checking pr Moon in her trigger-function)

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Sun Moon Vertex look significant to me: it seems to have been a smooth process though.

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posted July 25, 2014 12:58 PM              

1967 - 1973

Her progressed to his natal

Sun 17-23 Cap
Moon 17 Aries - 6 Cancer
ASC 17-26 Aqua
MC 7-13 Sag
Vertex 11-16 Virgo
Venus 23 Sag - 0 Cap
Mars 2-7 Aqua
Juno 14-16 Aries

Her Sun transits his 3rd house (sec 8th), lands on his Juno. The only aspect her Sun makes is a trine to his 23 Virgo Neptune, right around wedding.

Her Moon starts on his 6th cusp, lands on his Chiron, near 9th cusp - so Moon crosses DSC during this time! Which means she makes both a square and a trine to his Sun during this time. (his Sun 20 Aqua)

Her ASC transits his 4th, crosses his Sun/POF

Her MC transits his 2nd - her MC starts from an exact conjunction to his Mars, arrives in conjunction to his Avx (2) around wedding date.

Her Vertex 11 Virgo starts from an exact square to his Vertex axis, 11 Gem. Transits his 10th, lands on his Union exact.

Her Juno starts from an exact conjunction to his Saturn, transits his 6th, trines his MC all this time.

Her Venus transits his 2nd. Starts from a conjunction with his Valentine (1) and an exact square to his Neptune. After wedding, Venus will start applying to his natal Venus/Chiron opp ((4 deg away).

Her Mars approaches his IC. It passes through a square to his ASC/DSC and his Moon. Wedding day finds Mars sextile Mars exact.

I find these quite significant.

posted July 25, 2014 01:07 PM              

Of course that means we have to figure out the core synastric configurations initially, however with my parents synastry or my friend`s synastry, they seem to have a clearly "defined" synastric image for lack of better word, not all interconnected, but their more improtant ones including luminaries or Venus/ Mars and usually also triggering the angles.

My parents for example, had strong Sun/Moon-progressions when they got together or married, but in fact they have a very dynamic luminary-link-up synastrically as well (T-square of both Suns and my Dad`s Moon), and I suspect their luminary progressions were touching upon that as well. Of course it does not need to be a rule, but I`d find it interesting to check on that as well.

posted July 25, 2014 01:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Yes. I like to start my pSynastry by first looking at the pSun & pMoon. Often they can be found in the 4th harmonic (conj, opp, square) when things click into place.

I'd go as far as saying that pSynastry wont work unless the pLuminaries are in the 4th harmonic.

Note: I'm not deviating from Westran's methodology. As in, I'm not looking at the synastry between Sun/Moon. What I'm looking at is the progressed position of Sun/Moon in one individual's chart. This is how I use the progressed Luminaries.

The other way I use the Sun & Moon is to determine if the partner is an ideal match. For this I look at the natal positions of the Luminaries. This is a personal/developing theory; but I believe your ideal partner will have the opposing moon phase to your own. For this I use the four major phases; New Moon-Full Moon, First Quarter-Last Quarter / New Moon-Last Quarter, First Quarter-Full Moon. These are the basic pairings. I know everyone has their preferences, and I suspect the opposite sex parent may play a role, but this is still a developing theory.

Charles & Diana v. Charles & Camilla.

Natal Sun-Moon.

Charles & Diana were both born around the full moon. In the beginning this should make them very attracted to each other because of the familiarity. Over time, however, they will find each other lacking because they're both missing the same part and looking to each for it.

Camilla, while a Cancer like Diana, was born at the New Moon - the opposite of a Full Moon. This compliments Charles's Full Moon perfectly. In each other they will find whatever is missing in themselves.

Charles/Diana/Camilla

pSun & pMoon in the 4th harmonic

The year Diana was engaged to marry the Prince she had pSun in Cancer & pMoon in Libra...among other configurations. Charles for his part had pSun in Sagittarius, pMoon in Gemini.

The year Camilla finally snagged Charles she had pSun in Virgo, pMoon in Virgo. Charles for his part had pSun in Capricorn, pMoon in Capricorn.

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Wow.. that's interesting, and really something to think about.

We're btw, both born in the same Moon Phase (first quarter) .. and yes, I def. notice the 'same drive' but I dunno how this will work out on the long run or when we come much closer, or even that it will overrule somehow our amazing progressed upcoming synastry. Hm... I'm interested to know more about this now

So Guys.. tell me all, in which Moon phase are you both born?

posted July 25, 2014 01:24 PM              

Sun 18-24 Pisces
Moon 14 Sc - 0 Cap
ASC 25 SC - 0 Sag
MC -11 - 18 Virgo (her pVertex, btw)
Vertex 8-13 Cancer
Juno 6-8 Aqua
Venus 5-12 Aqua
Mars 23-27 Sag

Sun transits her 2nd. Passes through a Grand Trine to her DSC and MC! After wedding, starts applying for Sun square Sun. (4 deg away)

Moon starts its voyage from her 9th (sec 11th), 5 deg away from MC, crosses MC, Venus and Sun, lands on Sun on the 12th cusp for wedding day. Passes through a square to her Moon/Pluto and a trine to her DSC.

His ASC crosses her 10th, arrives in exact conjunction to her Venus 0 Sag on wedding date!!!

His MC entering her 8th house, arrives in exact trine to her Mars on wedding, applying (2) for her angles MC and ASC.

His Vertex transits her 6th (sec 8th), passes through a Jupiter conjunction on Avx, and a Juno/Neptune square.

His Juno in her 1st squares her NN, arrives in perfect sextile to her Juno 7.42 Aries.

His Venus transits her 1st. Only a sextile with Juno, now applying for her Moon and Neptune (after wedding).

His Mars 23-to-27 Sag applying to her Sag Sun 28, on her 12th cusp.

posted July 25, 2014 01:28 PM              

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Originally posted by mir:

Wow.. that's interesting, and really something to think about.

We're btw, both born in the same Moon Phase (first quarter) .. and yes, I def. notice the 'same drive' but I dunno how this will work out on the long run or when we come much closer, or even that it will overrule somehow our amazing progressed upcoming synastry. Hm... I'm interested to know more about this now

So Guys.. tell me all, in which Moon phase are you both born?

I guess my perfect one, then, would be a Last-quarter guy.

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I am Balsamic, he is Disseminating. Personally, I don't see what I'll do with a first quarter, since Balsamic is said to be the harvest before a new cycle, wrapping things up. Poor first quarter guy would be left behind

posted July 25, 2014 01:35 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I was also wondering, expanding on the theory, if the most important core synastric configurations during a getting-together-phase need to be activated (at least one of them), or mirrored in progressions.

Of course that means we have to figure out the core synastric configurations initially, however with my parents synastry or my friend`s synastry, they seem to have a clearly "defined" synastric image for lack of better word, not all interconnected, but their more improtant ones including luminaries or Venus/ Mars and usually also triggering the angles.

My parents for example, had strong Sun/Moon-progressions when they got together or married, but in fact they have a very dynamic luminary-link-up synastrically as well (T-square of both Suns and my Dad`s Moon), and I suspect their luminary progressions were touching upon that as well. Of course it does not need to be a rule, but I`d find it interesting to check on that as well.

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That's what I suspect, Ceri, and already noticed so far. I can't help by noticing how progressions lead us back to the synastry and I'm not surprised.

If there are strong aspects in synastry between personal planets/love rulers, one trigger either by progr-to-progr and progr-to-natal will actually trigger a whole config, an aspectfigure, as you call them. They practically trigger the synastry.

I suspect progressions not backed by synastry will leave a void after the window passes (hence short term or affairs),whilst the ones lightening up a synastric aspect are triggers for a whole config and often a domino effect (that's why an aspected synastry counts).

I also noticed progressions mirror synastric aspects, in cases where the actual aspect is not directly triggered by the progression. So it's a metaphorical triggering of a certain energy backed by the synastry. For example, I was saying a Mars/Mars square triggered my relationship. We have Mars trine Mars in synastry.

This is really interesting to check, those mirrors.

posted July 25, 2014 02:07 PM              

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Originally posted by mir:
Lee, you don't have anything to complain being born in AT-LEAST a different phase.
I compare us now with Diana & Charles, both FULL-MOON kids ;(

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ahhh, c'mon, haven't you read what I said about Joanne/Paul and Linda/Paul?

posted July 25, 2014 02:18 PM              

I'm thinking not anyone needs complementarity in this respect, perhaps the complementarity is on a different level of the synastry (and I'm sure it is), whilst the Moons contain the same energy (a similarity aspect): fresh for first stages, Jupiterian for Full Moons, darker and gloomier and wiser for the last etc

posted July 25, 2014 03:41 PM              

Why?

Tr Moon 1 Leo
Tr Jupiter 2 Leo
Tr Sun 3 Leo

Tr Mars 00 Scorpio

A New Moon with Jupiter, oh of course squaring an intense dynamic Mars, but still. Wow, looks like there is quite a dynamic energy flirring around then.

It also made me laugh because Tr Mars will be conjunct my Uranus on 1 scorpio (and pr Uranus on 2 Scorpio) right on my 11th house cusp.

I mean HOW fitting is that? For being part of the audience tomorrow?
Though with Tr Mars on my Uranus, and Sun/Moon/Jupiter square my Uranus, what is my Uranus going to do for God`s sake?
(it is unaspected, I am always the last to know what he has in mind)

Something else about it made me also laugh.

Mr Sag has currently pr Sun, Mercury and MC on 2 and 3 Aquarius. ROFL
Tell me the irony is not lost on you!

so that means the Transiting Sun/Moon/Jupiter-Mars square is triggering my pr and n Uranus squaring his pr Sun, Mercury, MC. Well he DID say I was making him crazy, didnīt he? Maybe he meant it literally.

Well Tr Sun/Moon/Jupiter opposing his pr Sun and pr Mercury.
Tr Mars conjunct my Uranus

So maybe I am relating more to the Scorpio Mars.

Well the other Uranus-progression we have is not activated (his pr Uranus on almost 25 Scorpio squaring my pr Mercury on 24 Aquarius and pr Venus on 25 Aquarius)

I just found that funny, well, maybe it doesn`t mean anything, but at least with this Jupiter-New Moon this better be a good day with many happy vibes.

posted July 25, 2014 05:59 PM            

Even my ex and I, were both a first-quarter Moon.

posted July 25, 2014 10:30 PM            

Nine is a Full Moon. Wildly/magnetically/powerfully drawn to other FM types. Unfortunately, we crash and burn. The ones I keep at the friendship level are easy/intuitive/fun.

posted July 25, 2014 11:03 PM            

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Joanne/Paul Newman both had New Moons. Linda and Paul McCartney had Crescent Moons, both of them.

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True. What's interesting about these couples is at the time of marriage there weren't any significant pSun/pMoon aspect. However, according to wiki, at time of first meeting all four had pSun/pMoon in the 4th harmonic.

Joanne - Aries/Capricorn
Paul Newman - Pisces/Pisces

Linda - Libra/Libra
Paul McC - Cancer/Cancer

Princess Diana had the same "delay." At moment of engagement; Cancer-Libra. At moment of wedding; Cancer-Scorpio. I suppose the issue was already joined/first-meeting taking place, and the marriage ceremony was just a formality.

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I'm interested in your progressed luminaries idea. Are you saying two people can get together only if they have progressed Moon in aspect to progressed Sun in their natal?

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posted July 25, 2014 11:59 PM            

Him Cap-Cap
Me Virgo-Gem

(both pMoons by about 15 deg applying to our pSuns, if that matters lol)

We also (I just see) had our pMoons exactly out-of-bounds contra-parallel at 25'** then (by 0'03 appl).

ps; I also noticed that my pSun/pMoon midpoint was exactly opp. his pSun (0'20)

funnily enough, we have this same aspect in synastry the other way around. My Sun opp his Sun/Moon midpoint (within 1).

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posted July 26, 2014 04:41 AM              

my p Moon: 00.29 Taurus
my p Sun: 29.59 Capricorn

(square by 0.30, separating, but still in effect I think, oh and a quarter Moon of course)

For him it was not so imminent though:

p Moon: 12.49 Cap
p Sun: 25.55 Cap (precisely on his n Venus).

So FAR out of orb, but I saw yuo mentioned th same signs, too, and so I thought I`d mention it.

Of course it means that for him the pr New Moon would only take place in the year, following our first meeting; he did not get into a relationship at that time though.