posted July 17, 2014 07:21 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
i think it depends on what you want from the person. if you're looking for love then a moon-moon opposition will be problematic. saying oppositions are good is a difficult thing because it assumes that a) you need someone else to help balance you as a person (which you don't), and it b) encourages the notion that strife in a relationship is a good thing. a moon-moon opposite is difficult (for romance) because you aren't able to naturally fulfill the others' needs without effort, a lot of it. perhaps something else in synastry (a moon conjunct to something else) would offset this bit, but it's too hard imo to struggle. for friendship or casual dates it doesn't matter all though.

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posted July 17, 2014 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by SoujiroSeta:
It depends on the person. Isolating this aspect alone, some people don't want someone that mirrors their emotional state back to them. I'm in that same boat.

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posted July 18, 2014 12:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Would it be a deal breaker? Any experiences with it? Thanks!

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Moon opposite Moon basically points to totally opposite conditioning and emotional needs. The childhoods of each individual will be likely in stark contrast - like two kids looking at each other from across the street who aren't allowed to play. They are friendly from afar but don't understand each other's basic needs and upbringing.

posted July 18, 2014 08:42 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm baffled to see so many people still seeing opposites in synastry as "opposing" needs, behaviors etc., while the opposition is an aspect of attraction and complementarity. Real life cases show this for a fact. The opposition is the backbone of the Grand Cross. Please check famous long-term couple synastries and see how many of them are WITHOUT crosses or at least a T/square (hence oppositions).

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opposites are opposing needs. there is no way you could say that the emotional needs of a cancer moon will be the same as a leo moon, or any other. the natives will be vastly different. if you look at studies you are right to some extent, they back up that "opposites attract" because we are naturally drawn to people that are different than us and operate in a different way. but over the long-term, how many of those opposing couples stay together? the principle of opposites rules initially, but if you're looking for long-term then studies for happiness and longevity of the relationship bode better for similar placements in the chart.

This is a quote from a psychology/social psychology book that studied some of the biggest myths that exist in (American) culture. It is called 50 Great Myths of Popular Psychology and it's on page 135, “When it comes to interpersonal relationships, opposites don’t attract. Instead, homophily (the term for the tendency of similar people to attract each other) rather than complementarity [attraction of opposites] is the rule. There is some truth to ‘opposites attract,’ because we often gravitate to people dissimilar from us in order to learn from them and understand them. However, studies in the field of social psychology have proven repeatedly that while opposites might (initially) attract, it is the similarities of nature that will keep couples together and growing strong."

posted July 18, 2014 09:13 AM              

Anyway, more opinions, even contradictory, are better than a single view

I wonder what we have in opposition in our synastry, BTW
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posted July 18, 2014 09:37 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thank you for the quote, starmoon. I respect your opinion, but opposing signs are complementary signs That's why marital couples have oppositions. I will try to list later the oppositions of long-term famous couple that worked. You can't have a cross without two oppositions and the cross is the most binding synastric aspect based on my research so far. Of course, I could be wrong and you could be right, but so far, in practice, this theory of oppositions being "incompatible" and squares being "crossed purposes" simply doesn't match with real life examples.

Anyway, more opinions, even contradictory, are better than a single view

I wonder what we have in opposition in our synastry, BTW

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posted July 18, 2014 10:36 AM            

Oppositions and square don't mean you will get into arguments/fights guaranteed. It just means you see things differently. How both people handle the aspects may vary.

I've had opposition/squares which lead to fights with some, and led to excitement with others. The differences kept us, or me atleast, stimulated.

That's the thing about having trines/sextiles/conjucntions. IMO, they feel great INITIALLY. I can't stress initially enough, but as time passes they become routine/boring. This is my personal preference.

So whereas you say oppositions start out great in the beginning because of the whole opposites attract thing, but they become problematic later on. I say they might start out problematic in the beginning but they keep me stimulated enough for there to be a later on.

posted July 18, 2014 11:49 AM              

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Originally posted by starmoon:
yes, opposing signs fall under the principle of complimentarity, but i still don't think that makes for great partners. i would love to see some of the examples you have though. i (can't you tell?!) wrote a book all about conjunctions, so perhaps you can write the book on oppositions :-) we obviously don't have the same view on this but i'd love to see the examples. i think, honestly, you'll find "exceptions" for everything though, and people/couples that fit every pattern. it is the nature of ... people, i suppose

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Where can we find your book? I'd love to read it. Conjunctions are emblematic for the idea of union.

Famous long-term couples and their oppositions (I'll only check planets, although sometimes asteroids make important crosses with planets)

First, the case that has been discussed recently: the opposition that made Edward renounce his throne for Wallis:

his Venus in Taurus opposing her Scorp Uranus (ASC ruler) making the Fixed Cross with her ASC/DSC axis.
a classical separative opposition (and many times it is so) becomes a major binding factor

I'm only looking at the opposition per se, although many times it is part of a cross.

Liz Taylor/Richard Burton

Her Sun Pisces opp his Virgo Moon (classical marriage aspect, the emblematic Sun/Moon opp)
her Pluto (11th ruler) opp his Jupiter (9th ruler)

Princess Lillian/prince Bertil

Her Sun/venus Virgo opp his Sun/Merc
her Neptune (ICr) opp his Venus/Uranus (5th and 8th ruler) - another classic, the romantic, compelling Venus/Neptune opp - Venus longing for Neptune possibly forever

Elizabeth/Robert Browning

her Jupiter (ICr) opp his Venus/Jupiter (1st and 5th and MC ruler)

Lauren Bacall/Bogie

her Pluto (5thr) opp his Mars (intercepted 12th)
her Jupiter (6thr) opp his Pluto (DSc ruler)

Linda/Paul

her Moon (9th) opp his Venus (9th and 2nd ruler) - another classic/romantic lol

Joanne/Paul Newman - champions of oppositions

her Saturn (ASC r) opp his Pluto (MC r)
his Venus/Merc (IC, 5th and 8th ruler) opp her Pluto (11th ruler)
her Moon (DSC ruler) opp his Neptune (2nd ruler)
his Moon (DSC ruler) opp her Neptune (3rd ruler)

June Carter/Johnny Cash

suspected opp: her Moon opp his Pluto (8th ruler)
her Neptune opp his Mars (ASC ruler)

Brangelina

her Venus (11th and Ic ruler) opp his Moon/Venus (11th and 8th ruler)
her Saturn (DSC ruler) opp his Merc (DSC ruler)
her Merc opp his Sun
her Pluto (5th ruler) opp his Jupiter (ASC and Sun ruler)

Just a first batch

Notice how in almost all cases the planets are love rulers.

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posted July 18, 2014 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
you realize with time that similarity of function (ie moon) is significantly better for compatibility than oppositions are.

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posted July 19, 2014 08:34 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm baffled to see so many people still seeing opposites in synastry as "opposing" needs, behaviors etc., while the opposition is an aspect of attraction and complementarity. Real life cases show this for a fact. The opposition is the backbone of the Grand Cross. Please check famous long-term couple synastries and see how many of them are WITHOUT crosses or at least a T/square (hence oppositions).

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I'm still with you on this one...

posted July 19, 2014 10:46 PM            

I feel an incredibly strong magnetic emotional pull toward him unlike anything I've ever felt. The Composite Moon is in Cancer conjunct Mars and Venus. The Moon is sitting in between them both conjunct Mars 1° and Venus 2°.

posted July 20, 2014 05:33 AM              

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Originally posted by MorpHnStorM:
I'm still with you on this one...

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Thank you, Morph

posted July 20, 2014 05:34 AM              

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
Our Moons are too wide to be opposite... 10°, and out of sign, but they are ContraParallel 0°, and on the Solstice Point/ Antiscia of one another in Virgo and Aries.

I feel an incredibly strong magnetic emotional pull toward him unlike anything I've ever felt. The Composite Moon is in Cancer conjunct Mars and Venus. The Moon is sitting in between them both conjunct Mars 1° and Venus 2°.

I'm not sure if it's the Composite or the Synastry causing the strong emotional pull. I just know I sure feel it.

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You seem to have a lot of Antiscia/Contraantiscia in that synastry. Can you list them?

posted July 27, 2014 05:56 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Where can we find your book? I'd love to read it. Conjunctions are emblematic for the idea of union.

Famous long-term couples and their oppositions (I'll only check planets, although sometimes asteroids make important crosses with planets)

First, the case that has been discussed recently: the opposition that made Edward renounce his throne for Wallis:

his Venus in Taurus opposing her Scorp Uranus (ASC ruler) making the Fixed Cross with her ASC/DSC axis.
a classical separative opposition (and many times it is so) becomes a major binding factor

I'm only looking at the opposition per se, although many times it is part of a cross.

Liz Taylor/Richard Burton

Her Sun Pisces opp his Virgo Moon (classical marriage aspect, the emblematic Sun/Moon opp)
her Pluto (11th ruler) opp his Jupiter (9th ruler)

Princess Lillian/prince Bertil

Her Sun/venus Virgo opp his Sun/Merc
her Neptune (ICr) opp his Venus/Uranus (5th and 8th ruler) - another classic, the romantic, compelling Venus/Neptune opp - Venus longing for Neptune possibly forever

Elizabeth/Robert Browning

her Jupiter (ICr) opp his Venus/Jupiter (1st and 5th and MC ruler)

Lauren Bacall/Bogie

her Pluto (5thr) opp his Mars (intercepted 12th)
her Jupiter (6thr) opp his Pluto (DSc ruler)

Linda/Paul

her Moon (9th) opp his Venus (9th and 2nd ruler) - another classic/romantic lol

Joanne/Paul Newman - champions of oppositions

her Saturn (ASC r) opp his Pluto (MC r)
his Venus/Merc (IC, 5th and 8th ruler) opp her Pluto (11th ruler)
her Moon (DSC ruler) opp his Neptune (2nd ruler)
his Moon (DSC ruler) opp her Neptune (3rd ruler)

June Carter/Johnny Cash

suspected opp: her Moon opp his Pluto (8th ruler)
her Neptune opp his Mars (ASC ruler)

Brangelina

her Venus (11th and Ic ruler) opp his Moon/Venus (11th and 8th ruler)
her Saturn (DSC ruler) opp his Merc (DSC ruler)
her Merc opp his Sun
her Pluto (5th ruler) opp his Jupiter (ASC and Sun ruler)

Just a first batch

Notice how in almost all cases the planets are love rulers.

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posted December 28, 2019 07:13 PM            

Thanks!
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/009764.html

posted December 28, 2019 07:36 PM            

The answer to the question about it being a deal breaker is no. No single aspect in synastry is ever a deal breaker by itself. This comes from over-anticipating the challenges or focusing on the negative.

Moon opposite Moon in synastry, no matter how tight the aspect, is nowhere near the most challenging or potentially problematic aspect.

The potential is that the two people present different internal perspectives that can be balancing and good for the soul development of both -- if they are willing; the needs may be different, but complementary -- again towards balance.

If you have two people who are not really interested in balance, but are more focused on personal gratification, then this aspect will seem annoying and agitating. If there is not enough 'meet in the middle' attitude it may seem like it just cannot work. However, in principle astrologically, it also is important to look at the complementary aspects by other planets. If there is say a nice sextile/trine by virtually any planet and nothing else, then what would you possibly worry about?

The whole picture must be taken into account. Astrology cannot effectively be done piecemeal.

posted December 29, 2019 06:41 PM            

My core partner and I have opposite Moon Signs. We definitely have different approaches emotionally and needs wise, but we have learned to meet in the middle some, and tend to have a balancing affect on each other.

posted December 31, 2019 02:32 AM            

Also, something interesting is that the composite Moon will be square. So, a t-square with all the Moons - natals + composite.

For fun, I wonder about the tsquare missing leg. Either from the composite or the natals.

GalacticCoreExplosion -

What other aspects do you have to your Moons?

It has been said that, opposites between Aries and Libra are different because it is involving the classic male/female polarities Mars and Venus as rulers.

posted December 31, 2019 10:17 AM            

In partner's chart, Moon rules her 7th, and is opposed a very close Jupiter Saturn conjunction in Libra. (Which is interesting since I'm a Cap Sun and Merc with Aqua Venus, and Jupiter in the 1st/closest Planet to the ASC).

The ruler of the Moon, Mars, is in early Pisces cusping Aquarius and closely conjunct Mercury. (Her Pisces Mercury Mars conjunction is on my Pisces South Node in my 7th, and I happen to have a fairly strong attunement to Mercury).

Moon rules my 12th and is conjunct the faster moving ruler of my Sun, Mercury, Venus, Descendant, and 6th House--Saturn. Widely square Mercury. Via it's conjunction with Saturn, it partakes in a wide square to Neptune and closer sextile to Uranus.

The ruler of the Moon sign, Venus, is in Aquarius in the 7th and very closely aspected to only and all the outer planets (sextile Neptune, trine Pluto, and square Uranus).

In a sense, our Moons are less "personal" focused than what the initial sign placements would suggest, which is part of what helps us to harmonize in our case. If one can have a bigger picture perspective and to take things less personally and selfishly, then it's easier to take steps back and "watch self pass by" in order to choose more positively.

posted December 31, 2019 10:25 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
There are different views of oppositions in synastry. Personally, I consider the opposition a major attraction factor. It's a magnetic aspect and a symbolic one: it shows the integration of opposites is possible in this relationship. The integration of opposites is a fundamental aspect at the core of any romantic Yin/Yang relationship. A synastry without at least one opposition is not that compelling. Oppositions give heightened feelings and a long -term attraction, because the opposing planets are constantly one after the other, there is this feeling there's always something left to achieve.

The opposition is similar to a Full Moon (when Sun in Moon are in opposition). It's a peak and a time of harvest. Each planet shines brightly reflected by the other, so each planet shows itself in full bloom, in splendor. This gives an "overstimulation" factor, that's why opposition are so exciting. Just like the legend of Sun and Moon, they were brother and sister (in some variation of the legend, two lovers) being the same and different (as in complementary) at the same time. An opposition in synastry means a zodiacal axis (two signs who share half similarities, half complementary differences) can be integrated in this couple.

In this case, these two people have an emotional personality that is half the same, half different. But the differences are complementary in nature.

I've noticed great synastries have at least one opposition to one of the luminaries. If not, there is at least one opposition involving major love rulers ( with the exception of synastries between two condensed natal charts).

I disagree with the astrological view seeing the opposition as what I find simplistic: opposing does not mean incompatible. It's like saying conjunction is good, opposition is bad, trine is good, square is bad. Any planet which already meets with another in an aspect is ready to make a pair with the other planet. All aspects are connective in a synastry.

An opposition is an aspect of COMPLEMENTARITY in a synastry.

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