posted July 23, 2014 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Septiles seem to become manifest as part of a DW or a more complex config (like a septile Yod or a combination with major). Perhaps noviles behave like this too.

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Hmm, we have Venus-Mars-trine at 5 degrees (I wonder what minor that trine picks up ).

Let me check for septile Yods.

Oh wait I already did so.

my Mars and Juno, his Venus and Chiron.
Yeah I know asteroids. Still I consider that significant.

some intriguing novile patterns as well.

Well not quite a yod but intriguing still

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posted July 23, 2014 02:02 PM            

EDIT: Oh, yes, I see, I think I've seen it before, it looks significant to me, being a close, harmonious pattern. Technically, Venus/Mars septile is connected to a biseptile and triseptile to Chiron, but I think in this case, the whole pattern counts.
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posted July 23, 2014 02:09 PM            

Well my Mars is biseptile my Juno
his Venus is biseptile his Chiron

my Mars is septile his Venus and triseptile his Chiron
my Juno is septile his Venus and also septile his Chiron.

Funny enough I also have Venus biseptile Chiron in my own chart.
and in my own basic chart it is:

Venus biseptile Chiron
Venus septile BML
Venus triseptile SN
Chiron septile BML
chiron septile SN
BML biseptile SN

sorry for disgressing

posted July 23, 2014 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:

I think Antiscia, being a mirror point, already reflect compatibility between two planets/points. Maybe a lack of synastric aspect means a lack of tools to channel the awaken energy.

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It is not so much compatibility in the sense os similiarity, than complementarity.

Agree to the rest of the post though.

posted July 23, 2014 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Thanks Looloo, and I must ask the meaning of your username ^^, it's lovely like a Teddy bear. Funny you should say that it's more relevant in my synastry. Remember when I did Persona synastry and I conclude the chart for my Moon/his Saturn is more mindblowing than his Moon/my Saturn despite his Moon oppose my Saturn exact? Well, my Moon novile his Saturn must hold a certain importance. I have a lot of 'novile' family aspects in my synastry. Time will tell if it's personally evolving or just plain irritating .

I think Antiscia, being a mirror point, already reflect compatibility between two planets/points. Maybe a lack of synastric aspect means a lack of tools to channel the awaken energy.

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It's the one from the Fifth Element, it's a nickname someone gave me once.

I'm not sure about antiscia, I don't have enough experience with how they play out in various synastries. Certainly something that must be included in any serious synastric analysis. But, just on an intuitive level, I don't think someone who has, let's say Venus in 20 Virgo and meets a man with Mars in 10 Aries (so no aspect between Venus and Mars) has the same level of compatibility as a Venus in major aspect to Mars. Only if they have a lot of other Yin/Yang aspects. But they will probably be attracted to each other in an almost inexplicable way. But I may be wrong. There is some glitch here that I can't grasp yet lol

EDIT: although, antisica should be COMPLEMENTARITY (which of course is a bit different from "compatibility"). But I'm not sure what kind of complementarity we are talking about.
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posted July 23, 2014 02:39 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
But I'm not sure what kind of complementarity we are talking about.

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posted July 23, 2014 02:42 PM            

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Do we have a mathematical explanation for a DW with Antiscia Points in synastry or natal? An example, his IC Antiscia point is on my ASC, my ASC Antiscia point is on his IC.

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That is very interesting Tulipe. It reminds of what we have;

- His Ascendant is exactly solstice conjunct the Composite IC.
- His IC is exactly solstice conjunct the Composite Ascendant.

Weird! yes....

Until one day I discovered this with our personal angles;

- My ASC/MC midpoint = his ASC/DESC midpoint (exact)
- His ASC/MC midpoint = my MC/IC midpoint (exact)

OR:

- My DESC/MC midpoint = his ASC (exact)
- His DESC/MC midpoint = my IC (exact)

...

But then I asked myself the question; well, but then, what do *I* have in common with the composite angles?

It can't be only him, logically.

So ...

and then I suddenly noticed my hidden participation lol;

- The Composite DESC/MC midpoint soltice conjunct my IC (exact)
- The Composite ASC/IC (ofcourse then) solstice conjunct my MC (exact)

But for him also;

- Composite ASC/MC midpoint contra-antisc. his ASC/MC midpoint.
- Composite DESC/IC midpoint contra-antisc. his DESC/IC midpoint.

(hm.. he ^ still seems to be more involved than I am)

posted July 23, 2014 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Probably the one that drives you nuts.

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posted July 23, 2014 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I give more credit to Juno and Chiron, too.

Well my Mars is biseptile my Juno
his Venus is biseptile his Chiron

my Mars is septile his Venus and triseptile his Chiron
my Juno is septile his Venus and also septile his Chiron.

Funny enough I also have Venus biseptile Chiron in my own chart.
and in my own basic chart it is:

Venus biseptile Chiron
Venus septile BML
Venus triseptile SN
Chiron septile BML
chiron septile SN
BML biseptile SN

sorry for disgressing

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posted July 23, 2014 03:49 PM            

Venus antiscia Venus
Mars antiscia NN
Saturn contraantiscia Moon (1)
NN contraantiscia Saturn

posted July 23, 2014 03:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
Wow. So, do those all conjunct in the 7th harmonic chart synastry between you? Am I thinking of that right? If so, then that sounds beautiful.

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No the second block, is just my natal.

posted July 23, 2014 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No the second block, is just my natal.

However, yes, his Venus-Chiron conjuncts my Mars-Juno in the 7th harmonic chart.

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posted July 23, 2014 04:06 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It's the one from the Fifth Element, it's a nickname someone gave me once.

I'm not sure about antiscia, I don't have enough experience with how they play out in various synastries. Certainly something that must be included in any serious synastric analysis. But, just on an intuitive level, I don't think someone who has, let's say Venus in 20 Virgo and meets a man with Mars in 10 Aries (so no aspect between Venus and Mars) has the same level of compatibility as a Venus in major aspect to Mars. Only if they have a lot of other Yin/Yang aspects. But they will probably be attracted to each other in an almost inexplicable way. But I may be wrong. There is some glitch here that I can't grasp yet lol

EDIT: although, antisica should be COMPLEMENTARITY (which of course is a bit different from "compatibility"). But I'm not sure what kind of complementarity we are talking about.

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Must watch that movie, I like Milla Jovovich

Hmm, I suppose it's the kind of complementarity you didn't know you need if you haven't meet this beautiful disaster . But once you met, there's no going back to being ignorant, you have to go forward. I'm a nuts case btw.

posted July 24, 2014 06:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Must watch that movie, I like Milla Jovovich

Hmm, I suppose it's the kind of complementarity you didn't know you need if you haven't meet this beautiful disaster . But once you met, there's no going back to being ignorant, you have to go forward. I'm a nuts case btw.

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Interesting thought. I'm sure you're the best person to provide insight in this because of your folding theory. Antiscia/contraantiscia is about folding.

I've been thinking about this last night: I think the solstice conjunction across a cardinal axis is related to an angle. Technically, the Cardinal cross is our angle cross. Each solstice mirroring will be closer to an angle and related to that angle.

posted July 30, 2014 11:08 PM            

SOME BASICS:

ASC conj his Juno + Mercury
NN conj Jupiter (+possible ASC)
Sun/Moon far MP = his Neptune
Jupiter = his Sun/Moon MP
Chiron = Venus/Mars MP
Venus/Mars MP = Eros
ASC trine Valentine + Tyche other way
Valentine sextile NN
Amor trine Sun
Amor 2 trine Cupido (drac Amor conj Eros)
Psyche 2 conj Amor
Valentine 2 opp Amor

Shankar 0-2 conjunct Parvati-Sun-Kaali
Siva 2 trine Kaali
Kaali sextile Shankar-Hara

NN 1 trine his Psyche
Eros 1 square his Nodes

Sun conj his progressed Sun + Juno + Venus.
Moon will be opposing his progressed Sun exactly from late next year?

SOME ANTISCIA:

Psyche 10 Gem -> his Cupido 18 Can/Eros 20 Can
Mars 4 Gem -> Psyche 25 Cancer
Psyche 40 degree novile from Eros.

Juno loosely in antiscia opposition contact with his Jupiter by 2.

Saturn antiscia Saturn

QUESTION:

Does anyone have experience with Psyche/Eros-Cupido antiscion contacts? I find it interesting that both his flank the Psyche like that when Eros-Psyche have nodal contacts otherwise.

posted March 24, 2016 09:42 AM            

How to find solstice points...

Ceri explained on another thread:

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Just go to astro.com, choose Munich Rythm Method under wheel-style. Then check the additional tables, scroll down and there you will find the antiscia placements (first the contrascia, then the antiscia column). And then you just check if there are conjunctions with your usual planets within about 1 degree.

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Thank you, Ceri

Here are my contrascia/antiscia:

Sun 14.12 Gemini/Sag
Moon 11.48 Aries/Libra
Mercury 24.59 Taurus/Scorpio
Venus 23.24 Cancer/Cap
Mars 13.59 Cap/Cancer
Jupiter 13.58 Pisces/Virgo
Saturn 29.23 Scorpio/Taurus
Uranus 23.24 Leo/Aqua
Neptune 17.16 Cancer/Cap
Pluto 18.18 Virgo/Pisces
NN 11.02 Leo/Aqua
ASC 22.10 Scorpio/Taurus
MC 3.54 Pisces/Virgo

* My moon is on the antiscia of Pluto
* My Juno is on the contrasia of Pluto
* My husband's Juno's contrascia = my DSC
* My husband's moon's antiscia = my Pallas
* My husband's Venus' antiscia = my Chiron
* My husband's Mars' contrascia = my Uranus

posted March 24, 2016 11:54 PM            

I take a straight view of that and say that there's been a lot of pain in this relationship. We even got married with tr Chiron on my Venus and his Saturn. Awww

I guess some healing too, but a lot of healing in the "tough love" sense...well I'm so stubborn I would not change certain things without there being some tension if I didn't...and now I'm grateful for the changes.

And I guess my intention and effort has been directed to healing him...seems standard for any serious relationship...but I feel like this is just a more prominent theme with us.

It also matches our Venus square Venus exact in synastry and the pain resulting from that: rejecting each other's tastes and taking it personally.

posted March 25, 2016 07:51 AM            

Interestingly enough my parent`s marriage chart has an exact Venus-Chiron-conjuntion on the MC, opposing Uranus on the IC and squaring Mars.

(which reminds me I just read in the cosmitec newsletter, where they researched Venus-Mars-aspects in a wedding chart. Surprisingly the square was found in lasting marriages, however the aspect that was a "marriage killer" was the semisquare, directly followed by the conjunction interestingly enough, as no loong lasting marriage had the conjunction in the wedding chart. )

posted March 25, 2016 09:18 AM            

I guess I never had that. Figures.

LOL

Ohhhh except with my best friend, her Venus conjunct my Chiron, but you know, that's just platonic...

And I just realized that the antiscia & contrascia of my Venus square my natal Chiron pretty exactly.

I'm amazed at your parents' wedding chart and the research findings published in the cosmetic newsletter. My wedding chart has Venus wiiiiidely (10°) opposing Mars...hmm, easier to just show you:

Quick side note: my husband's natal Valentine @ 18 Cancer, so he was having a Valentine Return....and notice where the DSC falls? Tr Vesta on my ASC and his sun; tr sun on my natal Vesta.

Actually I could go on and on about this chart but it's all off topic so...

posted March 25, 2016 09:43 AM            

The natal-draconic comparison chart for my wedding is extraordinary!

Dr Pluto 18 Cancer on Valentine
Dr Venus-Saturn 11 Sag on Pluto-Juno
Dr IC is sandwiched in with moon, Venus, Saturn
Dr Karma = my NN

posted March 25, 2016 12:14 PM            

"Venus-Chiron interaspects:
These aspects are powerful indeed. Look for the conjunction, trine, and sextile, in particular, as an indicator of true love. There is a healing quality to the relationship—one in which the natives feel that the love they have can heal the wounds they might have accumulated in relationships past. These people feel a strong need to be together, set up house together, and go the distance with each other. There can be a true feeling of joy in the love they share with one another. When the aspect is challenging, however, there can be irrational behavior and reactions to each other that are based on wounds of the past, carried forward into the present relationship. "
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/synastry.html

As for your wedding chart, wow, really intense, though I wouldn`t count the Venus-Mars-opposition and you cannot make me.

However what is probably far more important is the Moon-Mars-opposition (primal feelings, insane physical-emotional attraction, but one that runs really really deep,b ut at the same time also a lot of anger generated. If things are good,they are spicey and passionate; but if they aren`t, the fights are emotionally very painful; somehow cuts deeper than Venus-Mars)

But what probably cuts the deepest here is the Venus-Saturn conjunction square Neptune, and yet, how fitting is that?
A repeated aspect from your synastry, just with a little reversal, your Venus-Neptune gets a square from his Saturn right?

It is the clash of the ideal and the reality, the romantic dream nad the coming down to earth, and all on the battlefield called love and attraction!

posted March 25, 2016 07:19 PM            

His Saturn @ 7 Sag is conjunct my Venus and Neptune...

It's just too strange that we picked that day almost randomly with no knowledge of real astrology, and that's what happened. And we did argue that day, as the chart hints. Not that it ever crossed my mind to back out. Not with transiting Venus and Saturn conjunct.

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