posted July 23, 2014 04:29 AM            

Curiously, I have more (of significance) with my Guardian than I do my Twin. A few are pretty major, too.

MOON // VENUS
BML // ASC
CHIRON // SATURN
VALENTINE // TISIPHONE
MADHATTER // TISIPHONE

posted July 23, 2014 04:55 AM            

Aries: Virgo: Fire - earth
Libra: Pisces: Air - Fire

Taurus: Leo: Earth - Fire
Scorpio: Aquarius: Water - Air

Gemini: Cancer: Air - Water
Sag: Cap: Fire - Earth

Also bringing together Yin and Yang, to me it is an "under-the-surface" thing, it might even relate a little to the shadow, in the sense of bringing to light (through another person) things that have been slumbering within.

Ever seen HOW emotionally compulsive Aquas can get when they REALLY fall in love?
Or how ice cold Scorpios can become, if you REALLY anger them? (my Mom is a Scorpio, maybe that is personally coloured, but she is way more prone to dissect a personīs psychologically and being able to shred them, than my Aqua father. lol Luckily she knows about that and tries to avoid shredding people she cares about).

posted July 23, 2014 05:24 AM            

Now, my VENUS is also parallel his MOON; his VENUS is contraparallel my MOON. That's a definite blending on a fundamental level -- the likes of which I undoubtedly feel in practise.

posted July 23, 2014 06:01 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
And who's our antiscia expert here?

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Ceri, without a doubt

posted July 23, 2014 06:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Also bringing together Yin and Yang, to me it is an "under-the-surface" thing, it might even relate a little to the shadow, in the sense of bringing to light (through another person) things that have been slumbering within.

Ever seen HOW emotionally compulsive Aquas can get when they REALLY fall in love?
Or how ice cold Scorpios can become, if you REALLY anger them? (my Mom is a Scorpio, maybe that is personally coloured, but she is way more prone to dissect a personīs psychologically and being able to shred them, than my Aqua father. lol Luckily she knows about that and tries to avoid shredding people she cares about).

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Great observation! Aqua being the shadow of Scorpio and viceversa.

Personally, I believe solstice energies begin to come into play only if two people live with each other and after some time, like a "second wave" (or perhaps third, fourth etc) of the relationship. It is an energy in the background that needs time/the other's presence to become manifest.

I'm thinking it may be interesting to check planetary energies related to antiscia in a synastry, even if the planets are not in exact antiscia aspect. And I think I'll do that.

For example, one has Virgo Sun, the other has Aries placements. After some time together, the Aries placements will trigger an Aries flavor in the Virgo Sun, even if those planets are not connected in synastry (if they are, the better). The other's Aries placements will take a Virgo flavor after some time in connection with him being involved in the relationship with the Virgo Sun. For example, she has Virgo Sun, he has Mars in Aries - after some time with the Virgo, the Aries Mars will show his shadow side, will get a Mars in Virgo touch.

I have a question, Ceri: what do you think is the difference between antiscia and contra-antisica, what is the difference in the manner these energies are being felt?

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posted July 23, 2014 06:18 AM            

his Venus ca my Saturn 0.01
his Saturn a my Saturn 2.27

Now 2°27 is MUCH too wide for an antiscion/ contrascion, but it still seems important.
it is not only his Venus contrasca my Saturn so very closely, but it relates to that:

his SN 16 Cancer
his Jupiter 16 Cap
my Saturn 16 Cancer

plus

his Saturn 15 Gemini
his Venus 13 Sagittarius
my Karma 16 Gemini

basically my Saturn reflects (per contrascia) his natal Venus-Saturn-opposition, with my Karma being exactly conjunct his Saturn - yeah definitely a karmic bombasma. lol

Interestinly my HOPI is on 16 Cap, I am wondering if thta might trace back to a past life line in some tribe or something like that.

his asteroid Lilith is on 17 Capricorn, along with Jupiter, Destinn and Shakespeare, and thus reflecting on his Venus on 13 Sag as well; he might pull his inspiration for his performance from something far beneath the surface, maybe a past life, or parallel dimension. lol

The tribal thing seems not so far fetched after all as I just remember:

my Sootyo on 10 Taurus conjuncts his Soomana on 9 Taurus
(Sootyio and Somana are Hopi for starboy and stargirl)

my own Soomana is on 25.34 Sagittarius, conjunct my Sun-Mercury on the GC. I probably wasn`t born, but simply fell out of the sky, straight from some other dimension through the galactic centre. lol

BTW our composite has HOPI on our ASC-Neptune-Anubis-conjunction, and coincidentally precisely conjunct my natal NN and Neptune (oh yes and falling onto our Briede-Groom-conjunction. lol)

So the Hopi-though might not be so far off, in terms of karmic history.

other antiscia/ contrascia

his DESC a my Vertex 1.15
my DESC a his Vertex 1.34
his Avx a my Mars 0.32

some asteroids
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his Chiron ca my Juno 0.10
his Eros a my Pluto 0.52
his Tisiphone ca my Chiron 1.25

his Atlantis a my DESC 1.06
his Atlantis a my SN 1.58
his Atlantis ca my Arachne 0.41
his Atlantis ca my Sisyphus 0.13
his Atlantis ca my Atlantis 0.03

- our Atlantis being so closely to contrascion exact, is the reason it comes up on 00 Libra in composite

his Icarus a my Sun 0.24 (on my Soomana - shall we talk about people "falling out of the sky" again? Gotta check my own Icarus:

BTW ROFL our composite Icarus is on 16 Cap - crashed and burned, didn`t we?

Well his Icarus is on 4 Cap, conj. my Venus and as I said antiscion my Sun, and exactly sextile his own Hopi on 4 Scorpio.

my Icarus is on 28 Cap, right on my natal Anubis, and squaring his Moon, on the antiscion of his Mars incidentally.

NOtice something?
His Icarus conjunct my Venus and antiscion my Sun
my Icarus square his Moon and antiscion my Mars.

I suppose we came too close to the Sun.

Oh and then we have
his Orpheus a my Antivertex 0.44
his Sappho a my Eurydice 0.28 (and Siva)
his Nemesis a my Persephone 0.26
his Orphues ca my Eros 0.09
his DESC a my Eros 0.40

his Neptune ca my Tisiphone 0.42

posted July 23, 2014 06:23 AM            

But yeah, just like with the composite, I feel it all from the start.

Not sure about the difference.

Though I once heistatingly formulated the idea that the contrascia are more directly related to, well relating/ partnering, as they are really mirroring over the Aries-Libra-axis. And the antiscia might be more family/karma-stuff or something to do with manifesting energies, not sure about it, as the mirroring happens over Cancer/ capricorn.

posted July 23, 2014 06:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, Leeloo, I noticed the underlining of the solstice points right away with people. It is something that resists definition and categorization though. it is just that there is "something there" and it drives you crazy to figure out what it is, cause on a rational level, it just does not make any sense.

But yeah, just like with the composite, I feel it all from the start.

Not sure about the difference.

Though I once heistatingly formulated the idea that the contrascia are more directly related to, well relating/ partnering, as they are really mirroring over the Aries-Libra-axis. And the antiscia might be more family/karma-stuff or something to do with manifesting energies, not sure about it, as the mirroring happens over Cancer/ capricorn.

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Really?? How interesting! Like an energy in the background you can't identify, but you can feel.

If you're right, it means solstice connections contribute to the initial attraction, because they make you feel the other is a mystery that needs to be solved.

Hm...I'll have to check my own personal history to see if solstice were felt during the initial attraction phase. I've always considered this energy as something subtle that needs time to surface, like a sleeping beauty, but I may be wrong.

Indeed, meditating on the meaning of the Aries/Libra and Cancer/Capricorn axis must be the key here, brilliant idea, as usually. I also wonder if the significance of the seasons (the difference between equinox and solstice in nature) shouldn't be applied too.

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posted July 23, 2014 06:50 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Really?? How interesting! Like an energy in the background you can't identify, but you can feel.

If you're right, it means solstice connections contribute to the initial attraction, because they make you feel the other is a mystery that needs to me solved.

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posted July 23, 2014 07:27 AM            

his Venus a my Mars 1.06
his Mercury a my Avx 0.57
his Saturn a my IC 1.48 wide
his DESC a my IC 0.08

(Blashke writes about that: "of these three the IC is the single most important for determining soul history. Just as it is quite common to find exact conjunctions between the Draconic Zodiac planets of family members with the Tropical charts of their parents of siblings, it is equally common to find exact synastry conjunctions to the IC of the family member we love the deepest. I have observed Antisca and Contrascia synatystry conjunctions to the IC for this love."

asteroids
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his Moon a my Vesta 0.01
his MC a my Vesta 0.33
his Sun a my Vesta 1.44
his pluto a my Ceres 1.01
his Mars a my Chiron 1.08
his Jupiter a my Chiron 0.12
his BML ca my Uranus 0.25
his Vesta ca my BML 1.37

his Juno ca my Amor 0.12
his Sappho a my eurydike 1.15
his Eros a my Sappho 0.27 (and DNA)
his Amor ca my Sappho 1.10
his Amor a my Chiron 0.54
his Chiron a my Cupido 0.30

his Tisiphone a my ast. Lilith 0.00 6.38 Virgo!
his Demeter a my Tisiphone 0.23
his ast Lilith ca my Lilith 0.34
his pluto ca my ast Lilith very widely 1.59

his Siva a my Amor 0.03

his SN a my Nemesis 0.04

his Hera a my MC 0.03

posted July 23, 2014 07:46 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Ceri, without a doubt

Check out her thread here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000036.html

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posted July 23, 2014 08:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, that is how I experience it. Though it is subtle, not in your face like a conj./ opposition, like an undertow.

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I second this.

In my synastry my Venus conjunction his ASC, they are parallel too. So in the first meeting it's like a striking lightning, at least for me lol. And I can make sense of this attraction, I know what I like about him.
But there's something subtle there too, now for a long time I wonder why I love his Sun conjunct Neptune in his chart so much when Sun/Neptune in his chart make no apparent connection to my planets/points. There's something familiar, yet out of my reach, which makes me yearn for more. It maybe the fact that his Sun Contiscion my Neptune 1.09 degree, he's embodiment of my elusive Neptune dream . His Sun/ Neptune conjunction just make my daydreaming go on and on lol.

I have a question though. If you happen to have Antiscia point on a planet/love asteroid/point in your chart, and your love interest put their planet/love asteroid/point there, does it make you less attracted or the opposite, more hypnotized?
For example, his IC Antiscia is right on his Eros which is right on my ASC. I can only speak for my ASC, and it feels like being dragged in a powerful storm.

posted July 23, 2014 11:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I think it strengthens the attraction, makes it more hypnotic, yes. Powerful storm, good descritpion. :thumsup:

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Thanks , always feel good when I get a thumbsup from you.
Do we have a mathematical explanation for a DW with Antiscia Points in synastry or natal? An example, his IC Antiscia point is on my ASC, my ASC Antiscia point is on his IC. We also have a Moon/Saturn Antiscia DW, in the synastry they're novile by 1 minute. I have a suspicion the novile here is relevant to the DW, but I lack mathematics understanding .

EDIT: oops, it's a stupid question .

posted July 23, 2014 12:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, Leeloo, I noticed the underlining of the solstice points right away with people. It is something that resists definition and categorization though. it is just that there is "something there" and it drives you crazy to figure out what it is, cause on a rational level, it just does not make any sense.

But yeah, just like with the composite, I feel it all from the start.

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THAT is the best way I've ever heard it put. That is exactly how it feels. You just want to pull your hair out trying to grasp this elusive pull you feel.

-his Moon @Aries 6°-my Moon @Virgo 25° antiscia conj. 1°, also contraparallel 0°
-his Venus antiscia conj. my Sun 1° and my Venus 2°. His Venus regularly conjuncts them both, too and parallels them.

There are some others, too, but I think those are the ones I feel most strongly.

posted July 23, 2014 12:30 PM            

Happens sometimes.

Anyway I am glad my descritpion resonates.
I think this is related to his Venus on the antiscion of my Mars, the way I see antiscia.
I had no idea back then that we have others as well. lol

I find it intriguing if antisica are underlying an existing aspect, too.

In this case his Venus is septile my Mars, which is a minor aspect, but still.

posted July 23, 2014 12:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Thanks , always feel good when I get a thumbsup from you.
Do we have a mathematical explanation for a DW with Antiscia Points in synastry or natal? An example, his IC Antiscia point is on my ASC, my ASC Antiscia point is on his IC. We also have a Moon/Saturn Antiscia DW, in the synastry they're novile by 1 minute. I have a suspicion the novile here is relevant to the DW, but I lack mathematics understanding .

EDIT: oops, it's a stupid question .

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Tulipe, I think (and, Ceri, correct me if I'm wrong) that synastry aspects backed by antiscia (and/or declinations, "true" aspects) may have a major importance in that synastry, even if the aspect is what is called minor. Perhaps that novile is more relevant to your synastry than other let's say more common or perhaps generational aspects.

I'm not sure what happens with antiscia aspects which are not backed up by synastric aspects. Perhaps there is a pull, a fascination, but no guarantee of actual interaction/or compatibility. What do you think, Ceri?

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posted July 23, 2014 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, Leeloo, I noticed the underlining of the solstice points right away with people. It is something that resists definition and categorization though. it is just that there is "something there" and it drives you crazy to figure out what it is, cause on a rational level, it just does not make any sense.

But yeah, just like with the composite, I feel it all from the start.

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Antiscia are immediate if you're at all prone to feeling them in the first place. Which may depend on if you have them in the natal, not sure.

As repeated many times, basically every long term contact who's stuck around in my life (hovering further off or closer, doesn't matter) instead of falling off over the years has something at the Antiscion degree/s of my Descendant. I don't recall people with anything much at my actual DC. I had little idea why half my friends were friends with me if looking from the _astrological_ point of view until solstice points explained things for the exact hits, finally.

As Ceridwen said, in some cases there seemed little logical reason for us to be friends but that was more in the early childhood ones. Even there some of those people have grown closer to how I was (knowledge-wise) back then and I in adulthood seem to have moved outwardly closer to what their position in life seemed to be - to others at least. It may not be internal in each case but there is a mirroring or switches going on with some. It's not a wormhole connecting two positions in space but you apparently have a better link to do things with than many others I'd say.

Likewise often said, my synastry contacts may or may not be because I have several 'scia contacts natally already. Moon to Uranus, Mars to Saturn and Venus to Jupiter, all linked or tied and the same.

Your call if you want to count Mercury to Eris but that's another one.
Pluto to BML likewise. They're a web and one way or another tie things together strongly.

I've also said that I'm the only one or odd one out from the family pattern of having something bigger around 14-18 Cancer (more specifically ~16 Cancer). Asteroids filled some of that gap when I found them - but aside Alma you wouldn't think that any tied a person to typical family-connections. The antiscion of my Valentine is 15.38 Capricorn however, falling on an antiscion Descendant and more from there.

Asteroids and solstice points are basically the two things that filled in most of the gaps there were in synastry with some people. The gaps were there for me to pay attention to the things, so I'm all for antiscion talk any time it happens. I've kicked myself for not having accounts to comment to some people's astrology-blogs talking about some supposed reason for their synastry with someone - with massive orbs - when the much closer (normally exact) reason was that they had Antiscia contacts instead. Once you know the signs, you can see them in a chart as easily as most things else.

posted July 23, 2014 12:48 PM            

good thoughts. I am not yet sure how it is, but I could imagine it is so. After all antiscia are reflections; but usually it is aspects, minor or not, that provide the energy.

Maybe antiscia make you interested, intrigued, and if there is an aspect coming with it, it will determine how you deal with that intrigue?

Maybe antisca on 15 degree fixed will be most pronounced, as they come with a very energetic square?

Along with conjunctions near the antiscion points themselves I suppose.

posted July 23, 2014 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Blashke writes about that: "of these three the IC is the single most important for determining soul history. Just as it is quite common to find exact conjunctions between the Draconic Zodiac planets of family members with the Tropical charts of their parents of siblings, it is equally common to find exact synastry conjunctions to the IC of the family member we love the deepest. I have observed Antiscia and Contrascia synastry conjunctions to the IC for this love."

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Never particularly considered anything such, but my Amor is on the antiscion degree of my mother's IC, whatever you'd say of love or other things. Of course this being another family hotspot "angle" (there are about 3-4, and I basically only hit one without 'scia and/or asteroids) it's perhaps telling that my Valentine hits the one further above and my Amor another one. To note, my Valentine is 2 trine her ASC and 1 trine her Aries MC from what I recall. Mercury's antiscion is on her MC, the father's Moon.

posted July 23, 2014 01:25 PM            

But I do remember you have a DW, which means this soulmate Venus/Mars connection can take a concrete form.

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posted July 23, 2014 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Tulipe, I think (and, Ceri, correct me if I'm wrong) that synastry aspects backed by antiscia (and/or declinations, "true" aspects) may have a major importance in that synastry, even if the aspect is what is called minor. Perhaps that novile is more relevant to your synastry than other let's say more common or perhaps generational aspects.

I'm not sure what happens with antiscia aspects which are not backed up by synastric aspects. Perhaps there is a pull, a fascination, but no guarantee of actual interaction/or compatibility. What do you think, Ceri?

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Thanks Looloo, and I must ask the meaning of your username ^^, it's lovely like a Teddy bear. Funny you should say that it's more relevant in my synastry. Remember when I did Persona synastry and I conclude the chart for my Moon/his Saturn is more mindblowing than his Moon/my Saturn despite his Moon oppose my Saturn exact? Well, my Moon novile his Saturn must hold a certain importance. I have a lot of 'novile' family aspects in my synastry. Time will tell if it's personally evolving or just plain irritating .

I think Antiscia, being a mirror point, already reflect compatibility between two planets/points. Maybe a lack of synastric aspect means a lack of tools to channel the awaken energy.