posted July 30, 2014 09:42 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Vulnerable how?

I know that with her sun, moon, and Jupiter in my 12th (Jupiter on mars, also conjunct mercury and asc) AND her Priapus on my Venus also in 12th.
Vulnerable might not even be the right word. Exposed. Naked.
I feel like she honestly sees me and understands me better than I do. It's mostly good in that she loves me despite what she sees. She sees all the good in me. But she sees everything. I have no secrets and I can hide nothing from her. It's refreshing to finally feel understood completely.
BUT... it CAN be unnerving sometimes. Just feeling so exposed (vulnerable). I'm not used to that.
But it's not perfect. I mean there ARE misunderstandings sometimes.

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posted July 30, 2014 10:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
12th house and 8th house overlays are life transforming sex aspects....not for the faint of heart at all!

I had his Pluto/ my Moon conjunct in his 8th, my 12th
Our Valentine/Valentine conjunction in his 12th, my 4th
His Sun/Merc/Venus/Saturn in my 8th, his 4th
My Juno/Moon/AC in his 8th

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The 5H/8H has been incredible, too; not to mention the 9H/12H.

It's his MOON (5H) in my 8H, but my (3H) is in his 12H.

posted July 30, 2014 11:04 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
The 5H/8H has been incredible, too; not to mention the 9H/12H.

It's his MOON (5H) in my 8H, but my (3H) is in his 12H.

What's the experience like for you? Being the MOON, I mean? I always wonder.

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posted July 31, 2014 12:43 AM            

We have an intense psychic link between us(I'm also a Scorpio Sun and he's a Cancer), this makes sense with all the Moon/Pluto and water house overlays. We were together for 14 years. Sex between us at times was intensely spiritual(which I consider necessary to be mind blowing), but it wasn't quite Tantric. I never felt he could lose himself completely enough to really go there, but we definitely could've. Sometimes we would spend over 24 hours naked, and get it on ALL day, only taking breaks to sleep and eat. We also used to have sex in public places, not in front of people, but we both liked the risk of getting caught. We would do it anywhere, except a public restroom(eeewww!), but we loved to have sex outside especially in the pool. Okay, I'm getting carried away here....I think I made my point. To be honest just thinking about him....sigh! I had to move 1,000 miles away to try to move on from him, but the distance does not break that tie. The love and desire will always be there, along with the psychic link. Unfortunately so will the power struggles and abusive behavior, which took their toll on our relationship.

I miss the sex though !!!

posted July 31, 2014 01:17 AM            

Definitely differences in background, however. He's overcoming a powerful repression. I am, too. Sex for us has been an extremely enlightening experience with a deeply transformational theme. We tend to explore tantra prior, but will likely be extending it to the actual physical act.

I can't say how grateful I am that he isn't abusive, or plays games. Emotional maturity is essential. I'm respected and treated as a highly valued, treasured. That's pretty new. Especially in the context of these sorts of dynamics.

posted July 31, 2014 03:06 AM            

I know it's really weird about the Cancer Sun and Aries Moon. I remember commenting on your synastry a while back in your thread about 12th and 8th house overlays. At the time I didn't have his correct birth time, so I wasn't sure about our house overlays. It was a light bulb moment to say the least, when I confirmed his birth time. That 4th/8th/12th overlay with so much action, plus we have Moon/Pluto/Neptune connections. I could see through his soul, and he always hated that.

I commented on that thread about my synastry with another man that looks so similar to your synastry with your costar. He's a Gemini Sun with Aries Venus, 11 and a half years my senior, and you and I are just weeks apart. His Venus opposes my Moon/Pluto/BML and trines my Neptune. His Leo Moon possibly hits all these points too, by trine and sextile. Our Mars' are conjunct, with Venus/Mars DW, sextile and trine. I don't know the other guy's birth time, but our planetary aspects are just as potent than with my ex. Possibly stronger, depending on house placements. I guess they would have to be to lure my eyes away from my Cancer. I wanted to rip this Gemini's clothes off the moment I saw him! By the look in his eyes, I knew the feeling was mutual! After I got to know him I realized it's deeply spiritual, and possibly TF. I ran like hell for years trying to escape his ghost! I WISH I could report on our sexual experiences, but sadly those are only Astral at this point. Nine years pining for this man, and still counting.

I just find it strange that your costar has planets at certain points that seem to be a "hybrid" of my two guys. Similar planetary energy, and placements hitting our respective Luminary/Pluto/BML conjunctions. I have definitely been "transformed" by both of these guys in my life. Obsessed too.

Indigo, any advice on how to have them both? That would be ideal.

Just kidding!

posted July 31, 2014 06:40 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
So, the BML feels it THAT viscerally, too? See, I thought that PRIAPUS was the one who felt the intense desire -- the visceral vulnerability and need to merge.

BML does -- by your experience?

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Yes, amazingly so. And mine is in Aquarius. Of course maybe it is something else entirely responsible for the feeling. lol

HOwever, composite Priapus is on my BML/Priapus-mp and composite BML is on his BML/Priapus-mp, which is conjunct my ASC, Neptune and NN.

Synastrically we have an EXACT opposition between our True BML`s. His on 28 Leo, mine on 28 Aqua.

His Moon and MC on 28 Sag, his Sun on 27 Sag and even my Sun on 26 Sag might bridge it as well.

Also interestingly my PARVATI is on 28 Leo, his PARVATI is on 00 Pisces.
So Parvati conjuncts true BML synastrically, and opposes it natally, of course Parvatis are opposing each other,t oo.

Also his SIVA on 28 Capricorn opposes my PRIAPUS on 00 Leo widely.
my PARVATI on 28 Leo opposes his PRIAPUS on 00 Pisces as well.

Natally I have KAALI on 12 Gemini conj. my SN on 10 Gemini.
He has PARVATI on 00 Pisces on his SN on 1 Pisces.

Synastrically my PARVATI on 28 Aqua conjuncts his NN by 3 degrees.
his KAALI on about 7 Sag conjuncts my NN by 3 degrees.

It is quit edifficult to tell it all apart.
I think part of the growth-intent here must have to do with Parvati for him, and Kaali for me.

So what is it that i really feel here?
But yes, I DO think BML feels deeply and strongly, but will probably not be so prone to surrender to it.

Seen the episode of Buffy, "I only have eyes for you"?

Angelus reaction afterwards, is what reminds me of BML. Maybe I am wrong though. lol

"ANGEL
(sharply)
What do you know about it? I'm the
one who was friggin' violated. You
didn't have this thing in you.

DRUSILLA
What was it, a demon?
Angel towels off. Throws his shirt on.

ANGEL
Love.
DRUSILLA
Poor Angel..."

posted July 31, 2014 08:43 AM            

- his osc. Lilith conjunct my osc. lilith (by 0'12).
(both ^ conjunct his Sun by 2)

OR/and;

- His Venus opp. my Mars (1,5)
- His Mars square my Mars (0)
- His Venus conjunct my Juno (3)
- His Pluto trine my Mars (2,5)
- His Mars conjunct my Moon (3)

posted July 31, 2014 08:54 AM            

Nessus/Deja

Venus/Pluto

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posted July 31, 2014 09:38 AM              

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Originally posted by mir:

- his osc. Lilith conjunct my osc. lilith (by 0'12).

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This is interesting. We have the opposition 0°24

posted July 31, 2014 10:08 AM              

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I'm curious...What would you make of woman's Priapus conjunct man's Mercury (the 8th and 10th house ruler and the dispositor of his Sun and Mars) in his 8th and man's Mars-Priapus on woman's MC (which is widely conjunct her Mars, the 8th house ruler)? I think I see a pattern here.

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Zack and Miri

posted July 31, 2014 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I would. I call it The Submission Point; frankly, BML (TBML) and PRIAPUS are a sort of Dominance/Submission Axis. You'd be astounded at how often the dominant-oriented partner (or, who's just expressing those dynamics) will have their BML heavily impacted. Conversely, the submissive leaning/expressive partner has strong links to their PRIAPUS.

And when it's PRIAPUS and BML in aspect, it's rather kind of a lock. I'm a very dominant woman; I've naturally been this way all of my life. Not so with this man. With him, I'm inclined to explore my vulnerabilities and let down the guard I keep perpetually raised about me. It's ... incredible. Never thought I COULD feel this way again -- and to such an extent. (My Twin touched off of them; his BML is 4° conjunct my PRIAPUS -- and, his PRIAPUS is 2° conjunct my TBML); but my partner's is exact -- within 0°30.)

It's fascinating to explore these points.

Another thing that's interesting; we also have an exact conjunction of EROS and PALLAS; which opposes my APHRODITE-ADONIS.

I'm not entirely sure what to make of that, but I can say that PALLAS' involvement makes sense. His is square my SATURN (5R) and ALMA-JUNO. And, of course, the EROS-PALLAS conjunction overlays from his 5H to my 8H.

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Indigo,
Yes! I get this. I don't like the thought of being dominated. I prefer to be the dominate one or at least an equal. It's very hard to talk about this on a public forum. But with Him, I want to be submissive. It's true we have never had sex but the feelings are there. It's hard to explain without getting this thread closed down! Surprising thoughts would come to my mind and I'd think where did that come from? I've never been like that? It's like he is THE masculine energy and can activate something very primal. Be vulnerable like you said. Besides the BML/Priapus we also have my Pallas cj his Eros. Pallas/Eros oppose my Moon and his Mars.

posted July 31, 2014 10:50 AM              

I tried to draw the image, but I gave up. lol

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A lot of action happening from 27-01 degrees (his Vesta is just out of it at 2.59 Taurus).

posted July 31, 2014 11:20 AM            

As to both in your life in an intimate context -- honestly, I say, 'why not?' Of course, this isn't the norm, but if you're born near-to me, a semi astro-twin, you might want to consider feeling it out -- unless you're strictly monogamous.

For me, it's as if I've found myself between the two of them. They're not extremes so much as the mechanism varies to the point of being different expression. In each relationship, I'm able to explore different sides and facets of myself. I feel more whole and complete, as a result. Oddly, not as beholden to anyone or anything. More independent and secure in myself and my own identity. It's really, truly, amazing.

I understand that nonmonogamy, or polyamory, or 'monogamish' (as my husband and I've chosen to conduct our marriage) isn't for everyone. But when it just might be your real key to happiness -- I say, to hell with society and its judgement. Be yourself. Evolve. Be happiest.

posted July 31, 2014 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I'm curious...What would you make of woman's Priapus conjunct man's Mercury (the 8th and 10th house ruler and the dispositor of his Sun and Mars) in his 8th and man's Mars-Priapus on woman's MC (which is widely conjunct her Mars, the 8th house ruler)? I think I see a pattern here.

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I'd say that he draws her submission out mentally and through elements ruled by the house involved. For me, it's similar: his 8H MERC is square my PRIAPUS (and his BML).

Huh. I kinda think that's best illustrated by our work. More I'm thinking on it, that's a good way to describe our character's dynamics. There's a cat-and-mouse hunt in Sherlockian/Moriartyesque and Lecter/Starling hues. Very mental.

Though it's a 1° square, I have to say my PRIAPUS is absolutely locked into his 8H MERC. I've been drawn out by the clear-headed, distant, logical and methodological approach he's taken to sex. The fact we can discuss anything about it -- including the emotional elements often deemed poor etiquette, because 'that's not how it's done'.

It disposits to his 5H MOON, too, and is 10R. I was thinking the other night, about what it is in him, in our dynamics, that has prompted me to explore such vulnerability. In part, it's my having to push myself -- be stronger.

He doesn't emotionally coddle me. He doesn't mean to be cold and distant -- he just is. It's ONLY when we're in 'sexual mode' that he's expressive, (effusive, even) in the context of being admiring and desiring. Otherwise, he can be warm and friendly -- even affectionate, in doses.

But, bottom line, he takes me seriously. He respects me. He loves my mind, and thoughts, and places great stock in my knowledge, despite his own brilliance and widespread education.

That seems a bit Mercurial to me: logic, ideas, the abstract. Communication. He's not the best communicator, but he's clear when he is. I value that.

So perhaps that's a bit of what's going on?

MERC helps PRIAPUS explore vulnerability through communication, and the abstract, in a logical, mental way. Intellectually.

Perhaps there's even a focus upon the intellectual aspects of sex? I know that's a huge part of it for us. We THINK about sex -- and how little most do. Ask questions. Test theories. Ask more questions. More testing. In the midst of it all, we're exploring these hidden and vulnerable sides of each other. Just in a more intellectual, calculating way.

posted July 31, 2014 12:42 PM            

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posted July 31, 2014 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
No idea It's in the synastry with someone I will most likely never meet. His Merc is in Cancer so perhaps there wouldn't be much intelectualizing. Sometimes it feels like he's the only man on this planet who would have a chance to make me feel like playing Priapus (with the emphasis on "feel like", I'm not a groupie) so I decided to take a closer look. Not that we don't have more hot stuff in our synastry and composite Thanks for trying to help.

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My partner's MERC is in Cancer. We're still stiltingly boring (by other's definition) when it comes to these things.

For example.

Comparing the experiential data (that's qualitative, not quantitative) from the last two times, we found that schizoid (schizophrenic spectrum) individuals MAY not have the same oxytocin response as do those who are 'neurotypical' (in terms of brain chemistry). Fascinating, no? If we don't have a passionate (emotionally salient, bonding) event during the session, then it's as if it's just not released -- or too much to have effect.

Isn't that wild?

No wonder the bonding doesn't tend to happen among schizoids. We never push ourselves TO the point WHERE it happens!

posted July 31, 2014 08:34 PM            

As far as having them both, I'm far too possessive to be in an open relationship. I couldn't share, and it wouldn't be fair to have double standards. My Cancer and I used to always get propositioned by swingers, we were just never into it. I think it's that we're both Hades Mooners with prominent Pluto in our charts, and people either loved or hated us as a single entity. We're basically a male and female version of the same person in looks and personality, so bisexual people were often intrigued by us as a package deal.

Oddly enough, these two guys get along very well. I think they have past life Karma, some good conjunctions, but some red flags with Saturn, Pluto, and Mars. I don't think they would remain civil if I was in the middle. I just have to accept that I will never completely get over either one of them.

Oh, and I forgot to mention that the Gemini's wife might not appreciate this arrangement !

posted August 04, 2014 10:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Bluejay:
Indigo,

As far as having them both, I'm far too possessive to be in an open relationship. I couldn't share, and it wouldn't be fair to have double standards. My Cancer and I used to always get propositioned by swingers, we were just never into it. I think it's that we're both Hades Mooners with prominent Pluto in our charts, and people either loved or hated us as a single entity. We're basically a male and female version of the same person in looks and personality, so bisexual people were often intrigued by us as a package deal.

Oddly enough, these two guys get along very well. I think they have past life Karma, some good conjunctions, but some red flags with Saturn, Pluto, and Mars. I don't think they would remain civil if I was in the middle. I just have to accept that I will never completely get over either one of them.

Oh, and I forgot to mention that the Gemini's wife might not appreciate this arrangement !

She's a Scorpio Sun and Mars=I don't want to be on her bad side. Her Mars is on my Uranus???
She would either get turned on, or violently attack me without warning!

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Oooof. Yeah, if there's already a third party involved -- I'd steer very clear. These dynamics are hella complicated as is with three individuals; when you then must consider TWO more shifting paradigms -- it becomes rather unworkable. Not impossible -- but unlikely.

Fortunately (and not at all surprisingly) mine is single. If he hadn't have been, it might be a whole other story -- with a far less happy ending.

posted January 17, 2015 11:40 AM            

The one pattern I have noticed in my relationships that cause a lot of passions are:

Mars/Pluto hard aspect
Mars/Moon hard aspect
Venus/Mars hard aspect
Mars/Mars hard aspect
Mars/Sun hard aspect